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		<title>By: pulling the plug</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34640</link>
		<dc:creator>pulling the plug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason - cool about the dream, I don&#039;t know the song but it sounds like a good message, an encouraging one.  And it&#039;s great that you had a good talk with friends.  I hope the things you need keep coming your way!

susan5 - I know what you mean about &#039;if he ever gets off his ass...I&#039;m going to be adrift again&#039;.  Or, I think I do - it&#039;s seems like something in that statement is the key to all of this, why some of us &#039;make it&#039;, and some don&#039;t.  It seems, once again (feel like I&#039;m repeating myself, been writing so many notes here) like the very most important thing of all is to have at least _one_ person to count on, someone who&#039;s always there, someone who &#039;has your back&#039;.  I wonder if part of the problem is that if we grew up in families where _nobody_ ever had our back (like I did, and it sounds like a lot of people here had the same experience), we don&#039;t really know how to have that kind of relationship.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason &#8211; cool about the dream, I don&#8217;t know the song but it sounds like a good message, an encouraging one.  And it&#8217;s great that you had a good talk with friends.  I hope the things you need keep coming your way!</p>
<p>susan5 &#8211; I know what you mean about &#8216;if he ever gets off his ass&#8230;I&#8217;m going to be adrift again&#8217;.  Or, I think I do &#8211; it&#8217;s seems like something in that statement is the key to all of this, why some of us &#8216;make it&#8217;, and some don&#8217;t.  It seems, once again (feel like I&#8217;m repeating myself, been writing so many notes here) like the very most important thing of all is to have at least _one_ person to count on, someone who&#8217;s always there, someone who &#8216;has your back&#8217;.  I wonder if part of the problem is that if we grew up in families where _nobody_ ever had our back (like I did, and it sounds like a lot of people here had the same experience), we don&#8217;t really know how to have that kind of relationship.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: susan5</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34634</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, just wanted to leave a short note of mutual understanding, as my experience of life has a lot of similarities with both of yours.  33, life not very together, been vaguely trying to pursue a creative career--writing, have ended up as an English teacher on poverty wages and hating every minute of it.  The good part though is that I&#039;ve managed to remove myself from all those people in my life who were achieving things by leaving the country and isolating myself in a country whose language I neither speak nor understand.  And I&#039;ve found a friend who is just as miserable and directionless as I am, and even though we don&#039;t make each other &quot;feel better&quot; in that oh-so-unhelpful way that happy people think you need to be made to feel, it&#039;s nice to at least exist in a state of mutual support and understanding.  Though if he ever gets off his ass and gets his life together, I&#039;m going to be adrift again, but no matter.  Anyway, good luck with finding those moments of happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, just wanted to leave a short note of mutual understanding, as my experience of life has a lot of similarities with both of yours.  33, life not very together, been vaguely trying to pursue a creative career&#8211;writing, have ended up as an English teacher on poverty wages and hating every minute of it.  The good part though is that I&#8217;ve managed to remove myself from all those people in my life who were achieving things by leaving the country and isolating myself in a country whose language I neither speak nor understand.  And I&#8217;ve found a friend who is just as miserable and directionless as I am, and even though we don&#8217;t make each other &#8220;feel better&#8221; in that oh-so-unhelpful way that happy people think you need to be made to feel, it&#8217;s nice to at least exist in a state of mutual support and understanding.  Though if he ever gets off his ass and gets his life together, I&#8217;m going to be adrift again, but no matter.  Anyway, good luck with finding those moments of happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34612</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also had a dream last night.
I won&#039;t go into a long detail, because most of it would only bean something to me. One of the major things in it was the song &quot;Finding My Way&quot; by Rush was playing in the dream. i have not listened to that song for a very long time.
I looked up the lyrics this morning, and realized that it was another message for me.

I spoke with some friends tonight, who have been very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also had a dream last night.<br />
I won&#8217;t go into a long detail, because most of it would only bean something to me. One of the major things in it was the song &#8220;Finding My Way&#8221; by Rush was playing in the dream. i have not listened to that song for a very long time.<br />
I looked up the lyrics this morning, and realized that it was another message for me.</p>
<p>I spoke with some friends tonight, who have been very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: pulling the plug</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34607</link>
		<dc:creator>pulling the plug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason-
That&#039;s beautiful :-)

I think what happens is that our hearts sort of open and shut to protect us from pain or to let in joy - two sides of the same coin - and that when we&#039;re blocking pain we can&#039;t let joy in either.  So by allowing the pain to really touch us, to open to it and let it be what it is, it also opens a little gap through which joy can seep in, almost without our noticing, catching us off guard.

I had a moment like that once - I bought a bag at a thrift store on a day when I was feeling a bit down, and when I got home, I saw a little button pinned to it that I&#039;d somehow missed before that said, &quot;I love you&quot;.

I had the same reaction - I cried, it was as if the universe was just waiting for an opening, waiting for me to let my guard down enough to sneak a little bit of love my way.

Each time we take a chance to be vulnerable with other people - as you did with sitting at the coffee shop - we risk being hurt, but we also open ourselves to the possibility of something good coming in.

Thanks for sharing your day&#039;s story, that&#039;s cheered me up no end :-)

I had a good day today too - lots of unexpected connections with friends.  

And you&#039;re welcome :-)

Here&#039;s wishing you more of those moments that, added all together, are what get us through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason-<br />
That&#8217;s beautiful <img src='http://suicideproject.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think what happens is that our hearts sort of open and shut to protect us from pain or to let in joy &#8211; two sides of the same coin &#8211; and that when we&#8217;re blocking pain we can&#8217;t let joy in either.  So by allowing the pain to really touch us, to open to it and let it be what it is, it also opens a little gap through which joy can seep in, almost without our noticing, catching us off guard.</p>
<p>I had a moment like that once &#8211; I bought a bag at a thrift store on a day when I was feeling a bit down, and when I got home, I saw a little button pinned to it that I&#8217;d somehow missed before that said, &#8220;I love you&#8221;.</p>
<p>I had the same reaction &#8211; I cried, it was as if the universe was just waiting for an opening, waiting for me to let my guard down enough to sneak a little bit of love my way.</p>
<p>Each time we take a chance to be vulnerable with other people &#8211; as you did with sitting at the coffee shop &#8211; we risk being hurt, but we also open ourselves to the possibility of something good coming in.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your day&#8217;s story, that&#8217;s cheered me up no end <img src='http://suicideproject.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I had a good day today too &#8211; lots of unexpected connections with friends.  </p>
<p>And you&#8217;re welcome <img src='http://suicideproject.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s wishing you more of those moments that, added all together, are what get us through.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for that reply. It is actually very helpful, just to know I&#039;m not the only one who is going through this kind of thing.

Something very interesting happened to me this afternoon. I was at a coffee shop (people who care about me, and people I have spoken to on the crisis line, have told me I need to get out of my apartment, rather than sitting around and letting the walls close in on me).

I was sitting there outside in the patio area, writing. I decided to write and ask God (or the Universe, or whatever one wants to call it) to give me a sign that it existed, and to tell me if everything was okay.

I took the bus home, and while waiting at the stop, there was a guy there, probably close to my age, who had a book bag with him. On the bag was a patch that just read &quot;You are beautiful&quot;.
I almost cried.

I don&#039;t know if that would mean anything to anyone else, but I knew what it meant to me.



Thank you again very much for your reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for that reply. It is actually very helpful, just to know I&#8217;m not the only one who is going through this kind of thing.</p>
<p>Something very interesting happened to me this afternoon. I was at a coffee shop (people who care about me, and people I have spoken to on the crisis line, have told me I need to get out of my apartment, rather than sitting around and letting the walls close in on me).</p>
<p>I was sitting there outside in the patio area, writing. I decided to write and ask God (or the Universe, or whatever one wants to call it) to give me a sign that it existed, and to tell me if everything was okay.</p>
<p>I took the bus home, and while waiting at the stop, there was a guy there, probably close to my age, who had a book bag with him. On the bag was a patch that just read &#8220;You are beautiful&#8221;.<br />
I almost cried.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that would mean anything to anyone else, but I knew what it meant to me.</p>
<p>Thank you again very much for your reply.</p>
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		<title>By: pulling the plug</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34575</link>
		<dc:creator>pulling the plug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t have to be sorry.  No one&#039;s pain is worth more than anybody else&#039;s.  Think of Michael Jackson - do you think anybody in the whole world would say he was a happy man?  And yet he was incredibly wealthy, incredibly appreciated for his talents, theoretically was living the dream.  But it was never enough - his face was a painfully public (and literal) example of the torment of a man who never felt good enough.   (No, I&#039;m not a fan, it&#039;s just a really obvious example.)  Because he was rich and famous, was his pain somehow &#039;less important&#039; than that of a crippled beggar?

My story is somewhat similar to yours, I guess that&#039;s why I find myself here on this blog.  

Part of me knows that I don&#039;t actually want to die; I just want the pain to stop.  I want to be appreciated for what I do (I&#039;m a musician) in the ways that everyone else who &#039;matters&#039; in the world gets appreciated:  With money.  Not lots and lots of money, but enough to have a house of my own, to not live hand-to-mouth.  I too know that I am &#039;good&#039; at what I do, but it&#039;s not enough.  As you say, there&#039;s something missing - the sense that if people *truly* valued you that much, they&#039;d frickin&#039; pay you what you&#039;re worth.  Capitalism is a horrible, soul-sucking beast.  It eats us up and spits us out.

For me suicide is like a safety valve, an emergency exit: If things truly get that bad, I know I don&#039;t have to stick around.  I don&#039;t have just suffer, endlessly, miserably.  I can leave; check out; pull the plug.

In a way it&#039;s comforting, it keeps me from taking the ultimate step.  

Early last year I had a series of panic attacks from the stress of the kinds of things you describe - no future, no hope, getting older, should have &#039;had it together&#039; by now, so many others with lives, families, futures, children, jobs, etc, getting ahead while I drift away behind like some failed, burn-out cinder.  Seeing people half my age with all the things I always dreamed of, why not me?  What&#039;s wrong with me?

The panic attacks woke me up.  I literally thought I was dying of a heart attack for about three nights in a row.  I have no health insurance; no friends to come over and hold my hand; I finally called my youngest brother in a panic and left a long, garbly message on his phone machine.  He tried to help, in that he called the next day and listened for a while, but as I talked I realized I was ANGRY, really angry, at the unfairness of it all.  And I became angry with him; and accused him of not helping me, of not seeing how much I was struggling.  Of having so much while I had so little, but never sharing any of his excess. Of his promising over and over again to help me buy a house, but never coming through.  Kind of like Charlie Brown and Lucy and the football.

Anyway, got sidetracked there - the point was, as I thought my heart was literally going to explode from panic and terror, I realized I didn&#039;t want to die.  I went outside at three in the morning and breathed the cold night air and found my mind fastening onto every little detail.  I wanted to LIVE.  I just needed the pain to stop, and the devastating fear.

I&#039;m sorry to say that I haven&#039;t found an answer to many of the problems that were so pressing - I&#039;m still broke, still struggling, still don&#039;t have the close friend or life partner that I long for.

But I&#039;ve cut my family out of my life - I realized that, when the chips were down, they simply weren&#039;t there for me.  Over and over and over again.  This was what was killing me - the sense of continually having to go it alone, of having no one there to mind my back.  Of knowing for sure that if I fell, no one would catch me.  There&#039;s much more to that realization than a single sentence can capture (it took me many years and much hard work to finally decide to walk away from my family like that), but that&#039;s the gist of it.

I truly believe, now, that relationships are the most important thing.  Whatever energy I have, I spend on trying to nurture the good ones, the ones that make me feel valued and worthwhile and appreciated.  And it is WORK.  But when it works, it&#039;s what keeps me going.  

But I still have bad days, obviously, or I wouldn&#039;t be here.  It&#039;s a tightrope walk, so easy to fall off.

I don&#039;t know if any of that helped, for me it&#039;s helpful just to know that there are others who are struggling too, someone to talk to, to tell your story to.

One other thought, it&#039;s that old thing about depression being &#039;anger turned inward&#039;.  I find that it really helps when I can focus on the sense of unfairness and get really ANGRY about it.  There&#039;s another line about, you know you&#039;re progressing when your feelings change from suicide to homicide... the point being not that you&#039;re going to go out and kill someone, but that the angry energy gets turned outward onto the _source_ of the pain, the root causes, rather than ripping your own guts out with self-hatred or whatever.

I&#039;m not totally sure how that helps, except that the anger can be used as a sort of &#039;compass&#039; to help point you toward what you really want, rather than allowing yourself to be conned into doing/saying/being things you aren&#039;t and don&#039;t want to be.  

And no, I don&#039;t believe in the Secret, I think it&#039;s a load of crap.  I think unfair things happen to people all the time, every minute of every day.  It sucks.  But I also know that the unfairness of other humans is _not_ the same thing as the random, act-of-god unfairness of say, a hurricane or an earthquake or something.  We have no control over natural disasters, but we _can_ choose our friends.  The unfairness of other people is a _choice_.  People who behave this way are not your friends and should be cut out of your life post haste, without a backward glance.

At the moment I&#039;m looking for friends who have similar life stories - not because I want to hang with down-and-outers (and I don&#039;t really see myself that way, to tell the truth), but because I&#039;ve realized that I&#039;m just torturing myself when I hang out with &#039;friends&#039; who&#039;ve had better luck than I&#039;ve had.  I just end up feeling resentful and angry.  Much better to find people who I can actually relate to.  That&#039;s the theory, anyway.  People on the same rung of the ladder who might actually be able to help each other out.  Because going it alone is the real killer.

I don&#039;t know if any of that helped.  I hope it helped you some just to write out your story and know that somebody is reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have to be sorry.  No one&#8217;s pain is worth more than anybody else&#8217;s.  Think of Michael Jackson &#8211; do you think anybody in the whole world would say he was a happy man?  And yet he was incredibly wealthy, incredibly appreciated for his talents, theoretically was living the dream.  But it was never enough &#8211; his face was a painfully public (and literal) example of the torment of a man who never felt good enough.   (No, I&#8217;m not a fan, it&#8217;s just a really obvious example.)  Because he was rich and famous, was his pain somehow &#8216;less important&#8217; than that of a crippled beggar?</p>
<p>My story is somewhat similar to yours, I guess that&#8217;s why I find myself here on this blog.  </p>
<p>Part of me knows that I don&#8217;t actually want to die; I just want the pain to stop.  I want to be appreciated for what I do (I&#8217;m a musician) in the ways that everyone else who &#8216;matters&#8217; in the world gets appreciated:  With money.  Not lots and lots of money, but enough to have a house of my own, to not live hand-to-mouth.  I too know that I am &#8216;good&#8217; at what I do, but it&#8217;s not enough.  As you say, there&#8217;s something missing &#8211; the sense that if people *truly* valued you that much, they&#8217;d frickin&#8217; pay you what you&#8217;re worth.  Capitalism is a horrible, soul-sucking beast.  It eats us up and spits us out.</p>
<p>For me suicide is like a safety valve, an emergency exit: If things truly get that bad, I know I don&#8217;t have to stick around.  I don&#8217;t have just suffer, endlessly, miserably.  I can leave; check out; pull the plug.</p>
<p>In a way it&#8217;s comforting, it keeps me from taking the ultimate step.  </p>
<p>Early last year I had a series of panic attacks from the stress of the kinds of things you describe &#8211; no future, no hope, getting older, should have &#8216;had it together&#8217; by now, so many others with lives, families, futures, children, jobs, etc, getting ahead while I drift away behind like some failed, burn-out cinder.  Seeing people half my age with all the things I always dreamed of, why not me?  What&#8217;s wrong with me?</p>
<p>The panic attacks woke me up.  I literally thought I was dying of a heart attack for about three nights in a row.  I have no health insurance; no friends to come over and hold my hand; I finally called my youngest brother in a panic and left a long, garbly message on his phone machine.  He tried to help, in that he called the next day and listened for a while, but as I talked I realized I was ANGRY, really angry, at the unfairness of it all.  And I became angry with him; and accused him of not helping me, of not seeing how much I was struggling.  Of having so much while I had so little, but never sharing any of his excess. Of his promising over and over again to help me buy a house, but never coming through.  Kind of like Charlie Brown and Lucy and the football.</p>
<p>Anyway, got sidetracked there &#8211; the point was, as I thought my heart was literally going to explode from panic and terror, I realized I didn&#8217;t want to die.  I went outside at three in the morning and breathed the cold night air and found my mind fastening onto every little detail.  I wanted to LIVE.  I just needed the pain to stop, and the devastating fear.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say that I haven&#8217;t found an answer to many of the problems that were so pressing &#8211; I&#8217;m still broke, still struggling, still don&#8217;t have the close friend or life partner that I long for.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve cut my family out of my life &#8211; I realized that, when the chips were down, they simply weren&#8217;t there for me.  Over and over and over again.  This was what was killing me &#8211; the sense of continually having to go it alone, of having no one there to mind my back.  Of knowing for sure that if I fell, no one would catch me.  There&#8217;s much more to that realization than a single sentence can capture (it took me many years and much hard work to finally decide to walk away from my family like that), but that&#8217;s the gist of it.</p>
<p>I truly believe, now, that relationships are the most important thing.  Whatever energy I have, I spend on trying to nurture the good ones, the ones that make me feel valued and worthwhile and appreciated.  And it is WORK.  But when it works, it&#8217;s what keeps me going.  </p>
<p>But I still have bad days, obviously, or I wouldn&#8217;t be here.  It&#8217;s a tightrope walk, so easy to fall off.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if any of that helped, for me it&#8217;s helpful just to know that there are others who are struggling too, someone to talk to, to tell your story to.</p>
<p>One other thought, it&#8217;s that old thing about depression being &#8216;anger turned inward&#8217;.  I find that it really helps when I can focus on the sense of unfairness and get really ANGRY about it.  There&#8217;s another line about, you know you&#8217;re progressing when your feelings change from suicide to homicide&#8230; the point being not that you&#8217;re going to go out and kill someone, but that the angry energy gets turned outward onto the _source_ of the pain, the root causes, rather than ripping your own guts out with self-hatred or whatever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not totally sure how that helps, except that the anger can be used as a sort of &#8216;compass&#8217; to help point you toward what you really want, rather than allowing yourself to be conned into doing/saying/being things you aren&#8217;t and don&#8217;t want to be.  </p>
<p>And no, I don&#8217;t believe in the Secret, I think it&#8217;s a load of crap.  I think unfair things happen to people all the time, every minute of every day.  It sucks.  But I also know that the unfairness of other humans is _not_ the same thing as the random, act-of-god unfairness of say, a hurricane or an earthquake or something.  We have no control over natural disasters, but we _can_ choose our friends.  The unfairness of other people is a _choice_.  People who behave this way are not your friends and should be cut out of your life post haste, without a backward glance.</p>
<p>At the moment I&#8217;m looking for friends who have similar life stories &#8211; not because I want to hang with down-and-outers (and I don&#8217;t really see myself that way, to tell the truth), but because I&#8217;ve realized that I&#8217;m just torturing myself when I hang out with &#8216;friends&#8217; who&#8217;ve had better luck than I&#8217;ve had.  I just end up feeling resentful and angry.  Much better to find people who I can actually relate to.  That&#8217;s the theory, anyway.  People on the same rung of the ladder who might actually be able to help each other out.  Because going it alone is the real killer.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if any of that helped.  I hope it helped you some just to write out your story and know that somebody is reading it.</p>
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