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		<title>By: molly woppit</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-101236</link>
		<dc:creator>molly woppit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can really telate to what you are going through sometimes we all want the world to stop so we can get off and do it in such a way that wouldnt hurt others(alaska sounds beautiful) i thought about paddling my surfboard out a km or two and drinking a couple of red wines with alot of valium  i thought going to sleep and slipping into the sea sounded pretty good.my husband loves me and ive been abused when i was younger but hey dont give up,we are all here hanging by our fingers on the cliffs edge with you so know you are not alone,i fight the impulse to end it all all the time at the moment i hope you find peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can really telate to what you are going through sometimes we all want the world to stop so we can get off and do it in such a way that wouldnt hurt others(alaska sounds beautiful) i thought about paddling my surfboard out a km or two and drinking a couple of red wines with alot of valium  i thought going to sleep and slipping into the sea sounded pretty good.my husband loves me and ive been abused when i was younger but hey dont give up,we are all here hanging by our fingers on the cliffs edge with you so know you are not alone,i fight the impulse to end it all all the time at the moment i hope you find peace</p>
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		<title>By: pulling the plug</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34640</link>
		<dc:creator>pulling the plug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason - cool about the dream, I don&#039;t know the song but it sounds like a good message, an encouraging one.  And it&#039;s great that you had a good talk with friends.  I hope the things you need keep coming your way!

susan5 - I know what you mean about &#039;if he ever gets off his ass...I&#039;m going to be adrift again&#039;.  Or, I think I do - it&#039;s seems like something in that statement is the key to all of this, why some of us &#039;make it&#039;, and some don&#039;t.  It seems, once again (feel like I&#039;m repeating myself, been writing so many notes here) like the very most important thing of all is to have at least _one_ person to count on, someone who&#039;s always there, someone who &#039;has your back&#039;.  I wonder if part of the problem is that if we grew up in families where _nobody_ ever had our back (like I did, and it sounds like a lot of people here had the same experience), we don&#039;t really know how to have that kind of relationship.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason &#8211; cool about the dream, I don&#8217;t know the song but it sounds like a good message, an encouraging one.  And it&#8217;s great that you had a good talk with friends.  I hope the things you need keep coming your way!</p>
<p>susan5 &#8211; I know what you mean about &#8216;if he ever gets off his ass&#8230;I&#8217;m going to be adrift again&#8217;.  Or, I think I do &#8211; it&#8217;s seems like something in that statement is the key to all of this, why some of us &#8216;make it&#8217;, and some don&#8217;t.  It seems, once again (feel like I&#8217;m repeating myself, been writing so many notes here) like the very most important thing of all is to have at least _one_ person to count on, someone who&#8217;s always there, someone who &#8216;has your back&#8217;.  I wonder if part of the problem is that if we grew up in families where _nobody_ ever had our back (like I did, and it sounds like a lot of people here had the same experience), we don&#8217;t really know how to have that kind of relationship.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: susan5</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34634</link>
		<dc:creator>susan5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, just wanted to leave a short note of mutual understanding, as my experience of life has a lot of similarities with both of yours.  33, life not very together, been vaguely trying to pursue a creative career--writing, have ended up as an English teacher on poverty wages and hating every minute of it.  The good part though is that I&#039;ve managed to remove myself from all those people in my life who were achieving things by leaving the country and isolating myself in a country whose language I neither speak nor understand.  And I&#039;ve found a friend who is just as miserable and directionless as I am, and even though we don&#039;t make each other &quot;feel better&quot; in that oh-so-unhelpful way that happy people think you need to be made to feel, it&#039;s nice to at least exist in a state of mutual support and understanding.  Though if he ever gets off his ass and gets his life together, I&#039;m going to be adrift again, but no matter.  Anyway, good luck with finding those moments of happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, just wanted to leave a short note of mutual understanding, as my experience of life has a lot of similarities with both of yours.  33, life not very together, been vaguely trying to pursue a creative career&#8211;writing, have ended up as an English teacher on poverty wages and hating every minute of it.  The good part though is that I&#8217;ve managed to remove myself from all those people in my life who were achieving things by leaving the country and isolating myself in a country whose language I neither speak nor understand.  And I&#8217;ve found a friend who is just as miserable and directionless as I am, and even though we don&#8217;t make each other &#8220;feel better&#8221; in that oh-so-unhelpful way that happy people think you need to be made to feel, it&#8217;s nice to at least exist in a state of mutual support and understanding.  Though if he ever gets off his ass and gets his life together, I&#8217;m going to be adrift again, but no matter.  Anyway, good luck with finding those moments of happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34612</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also had a dream last night.
I won&#039;t go into a long detail, because most of it would only bean something to me. One of the major things in it was the song &quot;Finding My Way&quot; by Rush was playing in the dream. i have not listened to that song for a very long time.
I looked up the lyrics this morning, and realized that it was another message for me.

I spoke with some friends tonight, who have been very helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also had a dream last night.<br />
I won&#8217;t go into a long detail, because most of it would only bean something to me. One of the major things in it was the song &#8220;Finding My Way&#8221; by Rush was playing in the dream. i have not listened to that song for a very long time.<br />
I looked up the lyrics this morning, and realized that it was another message for me.</p>
<p>I spoke with some friends tonight, who have been very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: pulling the plug</title>
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		<dc:creator>pulling the plug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason-
That&#039;s beautiful :-)

I think what happens is that our hearts sort of open and shut to protect us from pain or to let in joy - two sides of the same coin - and that when we&#039;re blocking pain we can&#039;t let joy in either.  So by allowing the pain to really touch us, to open to it and let it be what it is, it also opens a little gap through which joy can seep in, almost without our noticing, catching us off guard.

I had a moment like that once - I bought a bag at a thrift store on a day when I was feeling a bit down, and when I got home, I saw a little button pinned to it that I&#039;d somehow missed before that said, &quot;I love you&quot;.

I had the same reaction - I cried, it was as if the universe was just waiting for an opening, waiting for me to let my guard down enough to sneak a little bit of love my way.

Each time we take a chance to be vulnerable with other people - as you did with sitting at the coffee shop - we risk being hurt, but we also open ourselves to the possibility of something good coming in.

Thanks for sharing your day&#039;s story, that&#039;s cheered me up no end :-)

I had a good day today too - lots of unexpected connections with friends.  

And you&#039;re welcome :-)

Here&#039;s wishing you more of those moments that, added all together, are what get us through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason-<br />
That&#8217;s beautiful <img src='http://suicideproject.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think what happens is that our hearts sort of open and shut to protect us from pain or to let in joy &#8211; two sides of the same coin &#8211; and that when we&#8217;re blocking pain we can&#8217;t let joy in either.  So by allowing the pain to really touch us, to open to it and let it be what it is, it also opens a little gap through which joy can seep in, almost without our noticing, catching us off guard.</p>
<p>I had a moment like that once &#8211; I bought a bag at a thrift store on a day when I was feeling a bit down, and when I got home, I saw a little button pinned to it that I&#8217;d somehow missed before that said, &#8220;I love you&#8221;.</p>
<p>I had the same reaction &#8211; I cried, it was as if the universe was just waiting for an opening, waiting for me to let my guard down enough to sneak a little bit of love my way.</p>
<p>Each time we take a chance to be vulnerable with other people &#8211; as you did with sitting at the coffee shop &#8211; we risk being hurt, but we also open ourselves to the possibility of something good coming in.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your day&#8217;s story, that&#8217;s cheered me up no end <img src='http://suicideproject.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I had a good day today too &#8211; lots of unexpected connections with friends.  </p>
<p>And you&#8217;re welcome <img src='http://suicideproject.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s wishing you more of those moments that, added all together, are what get us through.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34576</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for that reply. It is actually very helpful, just to know I&#039;m not the only one who is going through this kind of thing.

Something very interesting happened to me this afternoon. I was at a coffee shop (people who care about me, and people I have spoken to on the crisis line, have told me I need to get out of my apartment, rather than sitting around and letting the walls close in on me).

I was sitting there outside in the patio area, writing. I decided to write and ask God (or the Universe, or whatever one wants to call it) to give me a sign that it existed, and to tell me if everything was okay.

I took the bus home, and while waiting at the stop, there was a guy there, probably close to my age, who had a book bag with him. On the bag was a patch that just read &quot;You are beautiful&quot;.
I almost cried.

I don&#039;t know if that would mean anything to anyone else, but I knew what it meant to me.



Thank you again very much for your reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for that reply. It is actually very helpful, just to know I&#8217;m not the only one who is going through this kind of thing.</p>
<p>Something very interesting happened to me this afternoon. I was at a coffee shop (people who care about me, and people I have spoken to on the crisis line, have told me I need to get out of my apartment, rather than sitting around and letting the walls close in on me).</p>
<p>I was sitting there outside in the patio area, writing. I decided to write and ask God (or the Universe, or whatever one wants to call it) to give me a sign that it existed, and to tell me if everything was okay.</p>
<p>I took the bus home, and while waiting at the stop, there was a guy there, probably close to my age, who had a book bag with him. On the bag was a patch that just read &#8220;You are beautiful&#8221;.<br />
I almost cried.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that would mean anything to anyone else, but I knew what it meant to me.</p>
<p>Thank you again very much for your reply.</p>
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		<title>By: pulling the plug</title>
		<link>http://suicideproject.org/2009/07/worn-down/comment-page-1/#comment-34575</link>
		<dc:creator>pulling the plug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t have to be sorry.  No one&#039;s pain is worth more than anybody else&#039;s.  Think of Michael Jackson - do you think anybody in the whole world would say he was a happy man?  And yet he was incredibly wealthy, incredibly appreciated for his talents, theoretically was living the dream.  But it was never enough - his face was a painfully public (and literal) example of the torment of a man who never felt good enough.   (No, I&#039;m not a fan, it&#039;s just a really obvious example.)  Because he was rich and famous, was his pain somehow &#039;less important&#039; than that of a crippled beggar?

My story is somewhat similar to yours, I guess that&#039;s why I find myself here on this blog.  

Part of me knows that I don&#039;t actually want to die; I just want the pain to stop.  I want to be appreciated for what I do (I&#039;m a musician) in the ways that everyone else who &#039;matters&#039; in the world gets appreciated:  With money.  Not lots and lots of money, but enough to have a house of my own, to not live hand-to-mouth.  I too know that I am &#039;good&#039; at what I do, but it&#039;s not enough.  As you say, there&#039;s something missing - the sense that if people *truly* valued you that much, they&#039;d frickin&#039; pay you what you&#039;re worth.  Capitalism is a horrible, soul-sucking beast.  It eats us up and spits us out.

For me suicide is like a safety valve, an emergency exit: If things truly get that bad, I know I don&#039;t have to stick around.  I don&#039;t have just suffer, endlessly, miserably.  I can leave; check out; pull the plug.

In a way it&#039;s comforting, it keeps me from taking the ultimate step.  

Early last year I had a series of panic attacks from the stress of the kinds of things you describe - no future, no hope, getting older, should have &#039;had it together&#039; by now, so many others with lives, families, futures, children, jobs, etc, getting ahead while I drift away behind like some failed, burn-out cinder.  Seeing people half my age with all the things I always dreamed of, why not me?  What&#039;s wrong with me?

The panic attacks woke me up.  I literally thought I was dying of a heart attack for about three nights in a row.  I have no health insurance; no friends to come over and hold my hand; I finally called my youngest brother in a panic and left a long, garbly message on his phone machine.  He tried to help, in that he called the next day and listened for a while, but as I talked I realized I was ANGRY, really angry, at the unfairness of it all.  And I became angry with him; and accused him of not helping me, of not seeing how much I was struggling.  Of having so much while I had so little, but never sharing any of his excess. Of his promising over and over again to help me buy a house, but never coming through.  Kind of like Charlie Brown and Lucy and the football.

Anyway, got sidetracked there - the point was, as I thought my heart was literally going to explode from panic and terror, I realized I didn&#039;t want to die.  I went outside at three in the morning and breathed the cold night air and found my mind fastening onto every little detail.  I wanted to LIVE.  I just needed the pain to stop, and the devastating fear.

I&#039;m sorry to say that I haven&#039;t found an answer to many of the problems that were so pressing - I&#039;m still broke, still struggling, still don&#039;t have the close friend or life partner that I long for.

But I&#039;ve cut my family out of my life - I realized that, when the chips were down, they simply weren&#039;t there for me.  Over and over and over again.  This was what was killing me - the sense of continually having to go it alone, of having no one there to mind my back.  Of knowing for sure that if I fell, no one would catch me.  There&#039;s much more to that realization than a single sentence can capture (it took me many years and much hard work to finally decide to walk away from my family like that), but that&#039;s the gist of it.

I truly believe, now, that relationships are the most important thing.  Whatever energy I have, I spend on trying to nurture the good ones, the ones that make me feel valued and worthwhile and appreciated.  And it is WORK.  But when it works, it&#039;s what keeps me going.  

But I still have bad days, obviously, or I wouldn&#039;t be here.  It&#039;s a tightrope walk, so easy to fall off.

I don&#039;t know if any of that helped, for me it&#039;s helpful just to know that there are others who are struggling too, someone to talk to, to tell your story to.

One other thought, it&#039;s that old thing about depression being &#039;anger turned inward&#039;.  I find that it really helps when I can focus on the sense of unfairness and get really ANGRY about it.  There&#039;s another line about, you know you&#039;re progressing when your feelings change from suicide to homicide... the point being not that you&#039;re going to go out and kill someone, but that the angry energy gets turned outward onto the _source_ of the pain, the root causes, rather than ripping your own guts out with self-hatred or whatever.

I&#039;m not totally sure how that helps, except that the anger can be used as a sort of &#039;compass&#039; to help point you toward what you really want, rather than allowing yourself to be conned into doing/saying/being things you aren&#039;t and don&#039;t want to be.  

And no, I don&#039;t believe in the Secret, I think it&#039;s a load of crap.  I think unfair things happen to people all the time, every minute of every day.  It sucks.  But I also know that the unfairness of other humans is _not_ the same thing as the random, act-of-god unfairness of say, a hurricane or an earthquake or something.  We have no control over natural disasters, but we _can_ choose our friends.  The unfairness of other people is a _choice_.  People who behave this way are not your friends and should be cut out of your life post haste, without a backward glance.

At the moment I&#039;m looking for friends who have similar life stories - not because I want to hang with down-and-outers (and I don&#039;t really see myself that way, to tell the truth), but because I&#039;ve realized that I&#039;m just torturing myself when I hang out with &#039;friends&#039; who&#039;ve had better luck than I&#039;ve had.  I just end up feeling resentful and angry.  Much better to find people who I can actually relate to.  That&#039;s the theory, anyway.  People on the same rung of the ladder who might actually be able to help each other out.  Because going it alone is the real killer.

I don&#039;t know if any of that helped.  I hope it helped you some just to write out your story and know that somebody is reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have to be sorry.  No one&#8217;s pain is worth more than anybody else&#8217;s.  Think of Michael Jackson &#8211; do you think anybody in the whole world would say he was a happy man?  And yet he was incredibly wealthy, incredibly appreciated for his talents, theoretically was living the dream.  But it was never enough &#8211; his face was a painfully public (and literal) example of the torment of a man who never felt good enough.   (No, I&#8217;m not a fan, it&#8217;s just a really obvious example.)  Because he was rich and famous, was his pain somehow &#8216;less important&#8217; than that of a crippled beggar?</p>
<p>My story is somewhat similar to yours, I guess that&#8217;s why I find myself here on this blog.  </p>
<p>Part of me knows that I don&#8217;t actually want to die; I just want the pain to stop.  I want to be appreciated for what I do (I&#8217;m a musician) in the ways that everyone else who &#8216;matters&#8217; in the world gets appreciated:  With money.  Not lots and lots of money, but enough to have a house of my own, to not live hand-to-mouth.  I too know that I am &#8216;good&#8217; at what I do, but it&#8217;s not enough.  As you say, there&#8217;s something missing &#8211; the sense that if people *truly* valued you that much, they&#8217;d frickin&#8217; pay you what you&#8217;re worth.  Capitalism is a horrible, soul-sucking beast.  It eats us up and spits us out.</p>
<p>For me suicide is like a safety valve, an emergency exit: If things truly get that bad, I know I don&#8217;t have to stick around.  I don&#8217;t have just suffer, endlessly, miserably.  I can leave; check out; pull the plug.</p>
<p>In a way it&#8217;s comforting, it keeps me from taking the ultimate step.  </p>
<p>Early last year I had a series of panic attacks from the stress of the kinds of things you describe &#8211; no future, no hope, getting older, should have &#8216;had it together&#8217; by now, so many others with lives, families, futures, children, jobs, etc, getting ahead while I drift away behind like some failed, burn-out cinder.  Seeing people half my age with all the things I always dreamed of, why not me?  What&#8217;s wrong with me?</p>
<p>The panic attacks woke me up.  I literally thought I was dying of a heart attack for about three nights in a row.  I have no health insurance; no friends to come over and hold my hand; I finally called my youngest brother in a panic and left a long, garbly message on his phone machine.  He tried to help, in that he called the next day and listened for a while, but as I talked I realized I was ANGRY, really angry, at the unfairness of it all.  And I became angry with him; and accused him of not helping me, of not seeing how much I was struggling.  Of having so much while I had so little, but never sharing any of his excess. Of his promising over and over again to help me buy a house, but never coming through.  Kind of like Charlie Brown and Lucy and the football.</p>
<p>Anyway, got sidetracked there &#8211; the point was, as I thought my heart was literally going to explode from panic and terror, I realized I didn&#8217;t want to die.  I went outside at three in the morning and breathed the cold night air and found my mind fastening onto every little detail.  I wanted to LIVE.  I just needed the pain to stop, and the devastating fear.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to say that I haven&#8217;t found an answer to many of the problems that were so pressing &#8211; I&#8217;m still broke, still struggling, still don&#8217;t have the close friend or life partner that I long for.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve cut my family out of my life &#8211; I realized that, when the chips were down, they simply weren&#8217;t there for me.  Over and over and over again.  This was what was killing me &#8211; the sense of continually having to go it alone, of having no one there to mind my back.  Of knowing for sure that if I fell, no one would catch me.  There&#8217;s much more to that realization than a single sentence can capture (it took me many years and much hard work to finally decide to walk away from my family like that), but that&#8217;s the gist of it.</p>
<p>I truly believe, now, that relationships are the most important thing.  Whatever energy I have, I spend on trying to nurture the good ones, the ones that make me feel valued and worthwhile and appreciated.  And it is WORK.  But when it works, it&#8217;s what keeps me going.  </p>
<p>But I still have bad days, obviously, or I wouldn&#8217;t be here.  It&#8217;s a tightrope walk, so easy to fall off.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if any of that helped, for me it&#8217;s helpful just to know that there are others who are struggling too, someone to talk to, to tell your story to.</p>
<p>One other thought, it&#8217;s that old thing about depression being &#8216;anger turned inward&#8217;.  I find that it really helps when I can focus on the sense of unfairness and get really ANGRY about it.  There&#8217;s another line about, you know you&#8217;re progressing when your feelings change from suicide to homicide&#8230; the point being not that you&#8217;re going to go out and kill someone, but that the angry energy gets turned outward onto the _source_ of the pain, the root causes, rather than ripping your own guts out with self-hatred or whatever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not totally sure how that helps, except that the anger can be used as a sort of &#8216;compass&#8217; to help point you toward what you really want, rather than allowing yourself to be conned into doing/saying/being things you aren&#8217;t and don&#8217;t want to be.  </p>
<p>And no, I don&#8217;t believe in the Secret, I think it&#8217;s a load of crap.  I think unfair things happen to people all the time, every minute of every day.  It sucks.  But I also know that the unfairness of other humans is _not_ the same thing as the random, act-of-god unfairness of say, a hurricane or an earthquake or something.  We have no control over natural disasters, but we _can_ choose our friends.  The unfairness of other people is a _choice_.  People who behave this way are not your friends and should be cut out of your life post haste, without a backward glance.</p>
<p>At the moment I&#8217;m looking for friends who have similar life stories &#8211; not because I want to hang with down-and-outers (and I don&#8217;t really see myself that way, to tell the truth), but because I&#8217;ve realized that I&#8217;m just torturing myself when I hang out with &#8216;friends&#8217; who&#8217;ve had better luck than I&#8217;ve had.  I just end up feeling resentful and angry.  Much better to find people who I can actually relate to.  That&#8217;s the theory, anyway.  People on the same rung of the ladder who might actually be able to help each other out.  Because going it alone is the real killer.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if any of that helped.  I hope it helped you some just to write out your story and know that somebody is reading it.</p>
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