This bbc document confirmed the well known fact, that nitrogen is the “easy way out”
The air we breath is around 80% nitrogen. The ideal situation would be to exchange the Helium method with nitrogen.
The Heliun method has a dangerous and fatal flaw in the fact, that Helium is not a gass the body recognizes, unlike Nitrogen. In otherwords, the brain after being fooled around 15-seconds or so raize the alarm bells and beging to struggle for air!
“Loss of consciousness (5-10 sec), involuntary convulsions (15-20 sec), decortication rigidity (abnormal posturing/ movements) (20-40 sec), decerebration rigidity (40-50 sec), second decortication rigidity (1 min 10 sec), loss of muscle tone, (1 min 30-40 sec) – this is where you vomit into lungs/ lose bowel and bladder function and last isolated muscle movement (4 min 10-30 sec). Bearing in mind that it takes upwards of 5 mins without oxygen before the brain activity ceases completely.”
This was a direct quote from someone about the Helium method. Helium will fool the brain for some time but not long enough. It will fool the brain for around 15-seconds untill self defence mechanism kicks in.
Nitrogen would not do this, i believe. The body is used to it, so it woulnd’t put up as much of a fight.
Nicholas Klonoski killed him self successfully using the Helium method. However, he did not use the “betty bag”
I have long suspected, that this is unrelaible. First of all, not enough gass in the tank, and the bag seems of a very poor design. What you need in order to pull this off are industrial level tanks, wich Nick suchsefully rented from a local gass station.
I really want to die like Nick, but im notoriously lazy and spoiled. I would like to die with pure Nitrogen and not Helium. True, if Nitrogen is not available, then Helium will simply have to do.
The point is;Nitrogen is actually cheaper and much more available then Helium. However it is a lot harder to order. It is(the tanks)are rented. However people will start asking questions.
“What do you need Nitrogen for?”
This is where the problems come in. Have you any ideas on what to do? It seems stupid, that we cannot order simpey gass that is used basicly in fertilizers without people asking questions. Yet suicide is never a simple manner of “pulling off the plug” Not in the society where we live today. No matter how much of a reason you might have for doing so, suicide in many cases is a “crime” Not where i live no. It is not a crime per say, and neither is assisting suicide. However it is considered a social crime against the “wellfate state” People will(in the very small neighbourhood i live)as me, what is the Nitrogen for?
I have known of people ordering Nitrogen from our local gass supllier, but im not quite sure how they got away with it. What exuce did they give, or did they give any? Kind of ironic isn’t it? Such an easy gass, thats readily available. You can buy helium fittings from the local gas company that should(not sure)fit right in with the Nitrogen tanks. If the flow in the tanks works perfectly normally(as it should do to the flow fitting devices)then there really is no problem!
I know of people who have comited suicide with nitrogen, leaving mostly pissed off family members, but a suchcessfull esxit without needles pain. However, what exuce can you get a Nitrogen tank? Is there any?
For me Nitrogen is the perfertable choise. If push comes to shove, i will settle for helium. But i will say this;if you have read what i prevoisly wrote about myself, i am not a criminal! In this life(dont know about my prevois lives)i have not comited any crime! I am a victom!
Why should i have to struggle gasping for air at my final moments untill my brain dies, or be electrecuted? A simle question;why should i suffer as a victom of a crime, and not the perpetraitor!
I feel like it’s wrong. I dont want to really hurt anyone, only leave! I am sure there are millions of people who share my feelings;all we want to do is to leave this existance and move onto other realms…of learning, if god is so willing. Yet we must wake up everyday, wheter we like to or not. We do not have a choice in the manner. Often society and people around us would like us to die just as much as we would, knowing that way we would find peace. But leaving often isn’t up to us;we are stuck in out bodies, no way out! Most people who are termainally i’ll cannot comit suicide on there own. My brothers motherinlaw has Alzhaimler. Im not going to even go into that. Theres nothing that the doctors can do for her! Active Euthnasia is a crime under Finish law!
Ok! Im satisfied with having the helium. I am using a well known source to who to get the Helium hood from.
Here is her adress by the way for orders.
3755 Avocado Blvd # 166
LA MESA CA 91941
I guess im all spoiled since i want to leave more peacefully then Nick did. I just dont feel like a criminal.I know where to get the gass and how to order it. What im asking from you guys is, do you have any good exuce? Filling tires wont kind of fly, since it could be done at the local gass station. The best thing i have come so far is expermients with plants and paintball.
Im sure this is something that concerns all you reading this post. If your mother had Alzhaimler for example, woulnd’t you want her to leave the easiest, painless way possible. Nitrogen is that way! It is but…how to you get a tank from your local supplier? What do you say to them? Helium also works, but the bodies own self defence mechanicm eventually kicks im, and it will be a painfull struggle. I dont care what Ergo says;it’s simple science! The Helum leads to your suffocation, and people who die this way go through quite a bit of seizure and brain death. It is said, that Nitrogen also kills you a lot faster then Helium.
I ask you guys again, what to do? To settle for Helium, or demand the best, wich is Nitrogen, ofcourse. Would you settle for Helium in my shoes or try to get Nitrogen, and if you did, what excue would you make to the ompany you are ordering it from?