On society’s moral plane: I say yes.
From my perspective: assisted suicide is necessary and if I to wake tomorrow with an incurable and terminal illness, I would have no qualms at all about ending my life.
as far as i can see, bullying someone untill they commit suicide gets lesser charges than even manslaughter, while helping them commit suicide, as in euthanasia of a termonally ill person can bring murder charges in some cases
Agreed. Assisted suicide is one thing. What’s happening to me is something else entirely.
Here’s another question for you:
I want you to imagine that you are being emotionally and mentally tortured with the goal of getting you to kill yourself and you have no way to remove yourself from the situation. It will continue into perpetuity. Do you consider this a terminal problem that can be rightly solved with suicide?
I say remove the someone or something that is causing you to feel like suicide is the answer since you may not be able to remove yourself from the situation. In the case that someone is causing me feel like that, I probably would wind up thinking murder before suicide. If it came down to me or that person and they were driving me to suicide, It would not be long before I thought I had to kill that person to stop them from harming me psychologically.
I hope you don’t take away from this that that is the right answer too, but it’s just where my thought process would go.
That being said, do I think this is a terminal problem, NO. Call for help if you have someone or something causing this problem. And if it is someone causing this type of problem, then they need help too because to just tell someone to kill themselves constantly….they must be in really bad shape to even suggest that to anyone.
I have always felt and sticks to my guns that I agree with a person right to kill themselves no matter their circumstances dictates but I would never outright tell someone they should do so just because of my beliefs.
If you want to pay for it, maybe. Actually, no. I’m not going to run from this. I’ve been running for years and it hasn’t changed a thing. Honestly I don’t have the means to even if I wanted.
Your (anyone’s?) INTENT is no one’s excuse. NO ONE has the power of choice over another without permission. That said, some are too weak to realize this fact. If one knowingly hurts an injured animal, they are a fool to believe that animal responds from choice. Is the “killer” in this scenario a fool? Further, is the one who chose death the idiot? Or is the idiot the one who justified said death?
harassing someone till they kill themselves is a awfully gray area, with documentation proof, there’s a chance that person may get in some trouble, but not in most cases, in the end the lawyers will turn the story around and make you look like the bad guy!! it’s never fair so never let that happen to you. never die because of someone else.
It definitely is a gray area. I shared an experience that talks about this a little and how I feel about it from my end. Did I want him to die? No . Was I suspecting he would die? No. But I drove him to. I unloaded on him. I knew it was going to hurt him. I wanted it to. I knew it was going to be ugly. I wanted it to. Just didn’t know it was going to get that ugly. Morally and ethically we are responsible for our actions. No I did not make him pull the trigger, I just made him want and desire to. And then he did. Anyway. The post is My Dad’s End if you want more details. It’s a little lengthy but relates to what your asking. I go into detail about how and why and what is my part in the guilt in the replies from comments received. I kinda feel like in a moral sense it is like manslaughter and I give a metaphor there to relate why I feel that.
@dragonfly_wisper. If I am understanding what you said, it is hardly true. Making your questions at the end irrelevant. But I am not sure I took the right meaning from what you are saying. Perhaps you could try to explain in another way? I am interested in hearing any and all view points on this.
Manslaughter implies unintentional or heat of the moment death.
What I’m talk about is a cold, calculated, plotted, planned, systematic intentional psychological abuse against a person with the specific intent of getting them to kill themselves.
To me that sounds like premeditated murder. Not a heat of the moment or unintentional killing. Ethically speaking.
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depends on the place. manslaughter is what id go with, google pheobie prince
Generally yes.
On society’s moral plane: I say yes.
From my perspective: assisted suicide is necessary and if I to wake tomorrow with an incurable and terminal illness, I would have no qualms at all about ending my life.
Yes valma2, but he asked about “driving someone to kill themselves”. That’s not the same as just helping someone to do it.
as far as i can see, bullying someone untill they commit suicide gets lesser charges than even manslaughter, while helping them commit suicide, as in euthanasia of a termonally ill person can bring murder charges in some cases
oops…sorry.
That’s like playing russian roulette with a gun!
Agreed. Assisted suicide is one thing. What’s happening to me is something else entirely.
Here’s another question for you:
I want you to imagine that you are being emotionally and mentally tortured with the goal of getting you to kill yourself and you have no way to remove yourself from the situation. It will continue into perpetuity. Do you consider this a terminal problem that can be rightly solved with suicide?
I say remove the someone or something that is causing you to feel like suicide is the answer since you may not be able to remove yourself from the situation. In the case that someone is causing me feel like that, I probably would wind up thinking murder before suicide. If it came down to me or that person and they were driving me to suicide, It would not be long before I thought I had to kill that person to stop them from harming me psychologically.
I hope you don’t take away from this that that is the right answer too, but it’s just where my thought process would go.
That being said, do I think this is a terminal problem, NO. Call for help if you have someone or something causing this problem. And if it is someone causing this type of problem, then they need help too because to just tell someone to kill themselves constantly….they must be in really bad shape to even suggest that to anyone.
I have always felt and sticks to my guns that I agree with a person right to kill themselves no matter their circumstances dictates but I would never outright tell someone they should do so just because of my beliefs.
Have you considered moving to another country? Trying to start a new life somewhere far away surely would be worth the try before doing a suicide.
If you want to pay for it, maybe. Actually, no. I’m not going to run from this. I’ve been running for years and it hasn’t changed a thing. Honestly I don’t have the means to even if I wanted.
Your (anyone’s?) INTENT is no one’s excuse. NO ONE has the power of choice over another without permission. That said, some are too weak to realize this fact. If one knowingly hurts an injured animal, they are a fool to believe that animal responds from choice. Is the “killer” in this scenario a fool? Further, is the one who chose death the idiot? Or is the idiot the one who justified said death?
Can you rephrase that dragonfly_whisper? I don’t think I understand.
ITSallLIES,
harassing someone till they kill themselves is a awfully gray area, with documentation proof, there’s a chance that person may get in some trouble, but not in most cases, in the end the lawyers will turn the story around and make you look like the bad guy!! it’s never fair so never let that happen to you. never die because of someone else.
@ dragonfly_whisper that’s some deep shit!!!
More like nonsensical shit.
rocketman1000,
I was talking ethically and morally, not legally.
ITSallLIES,
excuse me! the nasty vodka is working well!! 🙂 ok ethically and morally?
1. ethically and morally if your good person it would be a very bad thing to do!!!!! 🙁
2. if you have no ethics or morals then you haven’t done anything wrong? 🙂
3. in the end I think it would mean more to you then to them!! the fuckers!!
It definitely is a gray area. I shared an experience that talks about this a little and how I feel about it from my end. Did I want him to die? No . Was I suspecting he would die? No. But I drove him to. I unloaded on him. I knew it was going to hurt him. I wanted it to. I knew it was going to be ugly. I wanted it to. Just didn’t know it was going to get that ugly. Morally and ethically we are responsible for our actions. No I did not make him pull the trigger, I just made him want and desire to. And then he did. Anyway. The post is My Dad’s End if you want more details. It’s a little lengthy but relates to what your asking. I go into detail about how and why and what is my part in the guilt in the replies from comments received. I kinda feel like in a moral sense it is like manslaughter and I give a metaphor there to relate why I feel that.
@dragonfly_wisper. If I am understanding what you said, it is hardly true. Making your questions at the end irrelevant. But I am not sure I took the right meaning from what you are saying. Perhaps you could try to explain in another way? I am interested in hearing any and all view points on this.
Manslaughter implies unintentional or heat of the moment death.
What I’m talk about is a cold, calculated, plotted, planned, systematic intentional psychological abuse against a person with the specific intent of getting them to kill themselves.
To me that sounds like premeditated murder. Not a heat of the moment or unintentional killing. Ethically speaking.