So basically I “tried to kill myself” I tried to make myself “suffocate” in my sleep. Unfortunately when I woke up I was still alive. But when I woke up I felt extremely tired and I was VERY lightheaded. I was going to try to overdose on vitamin D , vitamin E and Iron (I have 2 bottles of vitamin D and 2 bottles of vitamin E) But I was afraid that I wouldn’t die and that I would be in a lot of pain and I would have to tell my older sister that I overdosed. So I tried to take the safe way out…I still don’t know how I can kill myself “effectively”but I’ll keep on trying though 🙁
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You cannot OD on over the counter “medicine”. Next time, tell your siblings face to face Why you want to die.
@heartcore
is it possible to overdose on Aspirin or Tylenol
hey. if you wanna get an OD, why don’t you do it on the real shit, huh? you’ll have a fucking explosion of pleasure and then i’ll die, and that is it. or at leats try barbiturates, way much better than vitamins dude. but the best is if you don’t kill yourself at all. or at least, if you gonna kill yourself anyway, do fucking everything before it. imagine… you can even kill someone you hate and then commit suicide, and then write a letter saying “fuck you! you won’t arrest me!” to the cops. at least do something blissful before you die.
@lexq19
I get wat ur saying but I don’t have “barbiturates”…What are they exactly?
Honestly, I don’t hate to say I told you so.
Read this, honey: http://suicideproject.org/2012/10/no-quantity-of-tums-will-kill-you-do-not-overdose/
I guess barbiturates are meds against anxiety, epilepsy and also hypnotics. Sedatives, in other words. Can be used as a recreational drug too and give us a effect similar to alcohol (pretty nice, huh?), i think the most common ones is amytal, seconal or ********. And it would be classy, as Marylin Monroe, Judy Garland died from barbiturate OD too. But i think it would be more easy to find some dope or some coke than barbiturates.
you don’t need to die. please i am so sorry for what you have gone through please don’t do it. i need you to know there is hope…i need to know it too.
I don’t think anybody here should give her tips or guidance or advice to commit suicide PERIOD…. this is a 14 year old girl we are talking about…I mean jeesh she’s not even 18 at least….Regardless of my personal views on suicide I know for a fact children aren’t capable of making a decision of this magnitude (except in certain complex and very desperate circumstances)….their brains aren’t developed yet to be capable of such a decision…they aren’t mature enough yet…they’re going through puberty which is an emotional roller coaster…and they are at a time in life when things seem much worse than they really are….Again I’m not saying she doesn’t have real problems but I am absolutely against children killing themselves except in very critical and complex circumstances….I know everybody has a choice and so does she but it’s not right to assist her in any way if for no other reason but her age….if anything she needs to be talked out of it with reason and logic not encouraged in no way form or fashion….
I’m not saying suicide is some exclusive club for adults only no not at all….but there comes a point where morals do come into play….a child can make certain decisions for themselves but others they just can’t because they are not at an age where they are capable to make them……I’m not trying to be mean to her but come on man a child can’t understand suicide to the full depth and degree that they need to in order to make such a decision ….from her other posts it’s apparent she doesn’t want to die even she has stated this…. I think she needs to get some help from a good source before she makes a mistake that she can’t reverse….
If she really wants to do it fine that’s her “decision” but I don’t think we should help her to do so seeing as how she is 14…. can’t even drive a fucking car yet!
shit. i didn’t knew she was 14. i think i’ll stop with my advices from now on.
Yeah I’m not condemning you or anything I just think we should be cautious of who we give advice to because many users on this site are young teens (11-15) that come here to vent or whatever and many kids are easily influenced….. This doesn’t stop them from gaining the info from other posts on the site but I’m just not comfortable giving it to them directly…
I agree with PainNlife.
suicideproject. org /2012/10/ no-quantity-of-tums-will-kill- you- do- not- overdose/
@PainNLife
I agree and disagree with your statement about adolescents and their mental/emotional maturity to attempt or intend to commit suicide. Suicide is a subjectively logical decision that is decided by the individual. No one should refuse a person the right to die, even through the censorship of method information. If a “kid” really wants to die, they’ll try anything and if they’re ill informed they will likely hurt themselves. I don’t agree with denying a person this kind of information based solely on their age, that’s judgmental and inconsiderate. Teenagers are plenty capable of thinking in a logical manner, to be pushed to the edge in which a person considers suicide means their reason is significant enough to not be overlooked and passed as an “immature” decision. Looking from the outside in will almost always give you a false idea of what a person is feeling and why they feel that way. Perhaps they do magnify their problems because of hormones and lack of a developed brain, but who’s to say their actions/emotions are irrational? It’s no one’s job to judge them, no matter what your age or how authoritative you feel because of the age difference. I would never deny a person information on methods because I believe in the right to choose. “Sometimes a person needs to be able to step onto the ledge in order for them to step back from it.”
I think you’ll find they are mostly adults.
My favorite story of a failed OD was the kid who tried it with birth control pills. “If these pills prevent children from being born, that means if I swallow enough of them they’ll kill me”.
Sorry, I thought that was even funnier than trying to OD on Fred Flintstone vitamins.
There was a guy on here that posted about a failed attempt. He drank 26 cans of red bull because it gives you wings. Idiot.
Attempting to OD on nicotine patches = that’s original.
I guess nobody drinks anti-freeze anymore, huh? Can’t say I blame ’em.
@SB… In this particular situation I have to disagree with you…..she has been here since august? I think and I’ve read many of her posts where one moment she is ready and they next she isn’t and she has stated in several post that she doesn’t want to die…..so she doesn’t really want to die IMO….. an attempt doesn’t necessarily means someone wants to die……..furthermore…..a kids logic can be flawed because….well its kids logic…..it’s what a kid considers reasonable….I think children shouldn’t be encouraged or advised on methods of suicide period because they can’t grasp what it is they are committing to…. In my aforementioned comment I said some severe cases are exceptions but for the most part they can’t….. Teenagers are capable of thinking in a logical manner to a degree….some of the dumbest and most irresponsible and irrational things adults have done were in their teenager years….Teenagers are not capable of thinking as adults because they don’t have the brain development and they are not adults ….their experiences and views on various things are limited to teenage POV….
I was not disregarding her problems as immature at all…. in fact I made sure I stated that I wasn’t minimizing her problems at all nor was that my intention…..but at the end of the day she is only 14….I have read many of her post and this is just my opinion and I don’t know the full scope of her situation but from what I’ve read she is just a typical teenager with normal teen problems….many of which will be eradicated once she is away from her father…..
I’m not judging her or trying to be condescending but suicide is not to be taken lightly…at all….period….and I would want somebody to have FULL capability of making that decision before they decide to make it…. Teenagers can be pushed to the edge in very critical and horrible circumstances true enough I agree….but the edge is subjective to different teens at different ages and it may not have been the edge if she waited another few years or so….
I mean where is the line drawn?….she is 14 so what about a 12 year old….or 10 or 8 or 5? I mean where is the line drawn where we say NO….you aren’t capable of making such an adult decision? Again there are exceptions to the rule but for the most part we do not need to advise children on how to commit suicide unless and only unless the circumstances were so critical and horrible that the BEST option would be for them to commit suicide but in most situations it’s not…. sorry it just isn’t…
most children are easily influenced so if we talk to her and tell her why its best that she wait she might just see the light and reconsider committing suicide but if we are openly giving her methods and advice on how to get it jussst right then she will be reinforced in her decision to do so and go on and do it…..
One guy even said he was going to OD by drinking water. He must have read the Evian label upside-down.
@PainNLife
I’ll address your points in a minute but first I need to point out something which you wrote: “a kids logic can be flawed because….well its kids logic…..it’s what a kid considers reasonable”
And “kids” can’t be reasonable? Who are you to assert this? Because you’re older? There’s a vast difference between intelligence, wisdom, maturity and experience. Just because you have more experience does not make you wiser in the sense that you can decide whether a person is sensible or mature enough to make a decision of this magnitude.
” think children shouldn’t be encouraged or advised on methods of suicide period because they can’t grasp what it is they are committing to”
I can’t even begin to explain how wrong this statement is. Who are you to assume that a “kid” is incapable of thinking in a logical, reasonable manner? “Children” can indeed grasp the idea of what suicide is and the gravity of it, that’s not a trait exclusive to adults. Again, experience and logical thinking are two different things, related in some regards but not always.
“I was not disregarding her problems as immature at all…. in fact I made sure I stated that I wasn’t minimizing her problems at all nor was that my intention…..but at the end of the day she is only 14….”
This is contradicting. ‘I’m not disregarding her problems as immature… she’s only 14’.
“I’m not judging her or trying to be condescending but suicide is not to be taken lightly…at all….period….and I would want somebody to have FULL capability of making that decision before they decide to make it”
This is contradicting as well. You’re judging adolescents by asserting that they don’t have a fully capable mind to understand and grasp suicide. You’re assuming adolescents are like that. Who’s to say they are? You were a teenager once (as was I) and perhaps you can identify with the notion that you weren’t as sensible as you are now (I don’t know your background, but I’m assuming this based on your claim) but you can’t speak on behalf of the majority of teenagers.
“I mean where is the line drawn where we say NO….you aren’t capable of making such an adult decision?”
I don’t agree with denying anybody the option to kill them self. Some “kids” *are* capable of making adult decisions, again you’re assuming. You underestimate the sensibility of “kids”.
I’m sensitive to this topic because I was a teenager once and had my opinion invalidated more than I can count solely because of my age. Their argument being that I didn’t have enough experience to develop a mature opinion, which is complete BS. The amount of life experience is useless and irrelevant if a person does not utilize it. If a teenager utilizes their years far more than an older person they can very well be more wise or sensible than them. I’m only in my first year of being out of the “teenage” phase of life, I was there not too long ago, and trust me, when I turned 20 I didn’t magically and instantly develop a sensible mindset. (I’d like to believe I’m sensible at least, ha)
@SB…..I was going to go in depth about why I said that and then I just decided to Google the phrase “kid logic” and what do you know the first link is stories of kids using perfectly logical arguments, and arriving at perfectly wrong conclusions….. I listened to a few of them and they were quite amusing actually…. I suggest you go get an idea of how kid logic works….. kids can’t be reasonable in the same way adults can and neither can teenagers….I’ll give you a few examples….
1. a teenage girl wants to date an older guy that she likes….parents say no because he is too old….teen logic says “I’m capable of deciding for myself”….she fucks the guy loses her virginity and what do you know…he dumps her”
2. you put a nickel and dime in opposite hands and ask a young child….which one do you want the big nickel or the small dime….kid chooses the big nickel because in kid logic big is always worth more
3. a teen wants to go rock climbing with his friends unsupervised….parents say no too dangerous….teen decides using teen logic it can’t be too hard because he has read up on it and watched YT videos….he goes anyway….connects equipment incorrectly slips and falls to his death
4. a teenager wants a tattoo on her arm….parents say no because they are permanent and you can’t change your mind…. teen logic says I’ll want this tattoo forever….so I know I wont…..the tattoo says “justin beiber 4 ever”….. justin in the near future falls off and becomes irrelevant…..tattoo is permanent reminder of her stupidity
5. a kid wants a new game because his friend got it….parents say no its M rated….kid logic says well my friends parents let him have it and he is not old enough….borrows game from friend….proceeds to play said game which is a scary game and it scares the living shit out of him and gives him nightmares for a month….
These are just a few short descriptions of how kid and teen logic works….
@Duke; Evian spelled backwards is ” naïve”, right?
I still think the best way to die is from an explosive orgasm.
I’m in a casino in Nevada. Down $20 but buzzed. Some English or Australian guy with an accent sat down next to me. I can’t tell. These foreigners all sound similar to me. Scottish maybe? The guys broad showed up. They’re drunk and angry about something. This is getting good.
@PainNLife
So you’re taking a few examples of flawed logic made by “children” to assume every “child” is like that?
I can pull up a good quantity of illogical and immature arguments made by adults, does this prove that all adults are like this? No. The same logic is applicable to this case.
@SB “I was not disregarding her problems as immature at all…. in fact I made sure I stated that I wasn’t minimizing her problems at all nor was that my intention…..but at the end of the day she is only 14….â€
This is contradicting. ‘I’m not disregarding her problems as immature… she’s only 14′.
explain to me where the contradiction is? I clearly said I wasn’t minimizing her problems or disregarding them but she is 14….from what she has posted most of her problems were typical teenage problems which I am not minimizing or disregarding but she is 14….that is her age ….where is the contradiction?
“I’m not judging her or trying to be condescending but suicide is not to be taken lightly…at all….period….and I would want somebody to have FULL capability of making that decision before they decide to make itâ€
This is contradicting as well.
How? she can’t think like an adult …that isn’t judgement that’s fact….where is the judgement in assessing her age and drawing the conclusion that she isn’t old enough to make that decision…. like replace suicide with sex or alcohol and my statement still holds up….its because its true there is no contradiction or judgement there
“I don’t agree with denying anybody the option to kill them self. Some “kids†*are* capable of making adult decisions, again you’re assuming. You underestimate the sensibility of “kidsâ€.”…..this isn’t true…. I’m sorry but it’s not kids cannot make adult decision and by “adult decisions” I mean decisions that greatly and dramatically affect their life….
I’m sorry about your experiences but on certain things they may have been right in invalidating your opinion on adult things because it’s not an adult opinion ….
http:// www. aacap. org /AACAP/ Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/Facts_for_Families_Pages/The_Teen_Brain_Behavior_Problem_Solving_and_Decision_Making_95.aspx
I’m not making this stuff up ……the research speaks for itself
“Many parents do not understand why their teenagers occasionally behave in an impulsive, irrational, or dangerous way. At times, it seems like they don’t think things through or fully consider the consequences of their actions. Adolescents differ from adults in the way they behave, solve problems, and make decisions. There is a biological explanation for this difference. Studies have shown that brains continue to mature and develop throughout childhood and adolescence and well into early adulthood.
Scientists have identified a specific region of the brain called the amygdala which is responsible for instinctual reactions including fear and aggressive behavior. This region develops early. However, the frontal cortex, the area of the brain that controls reasoning and helps us think before we act, develops later. This part of the brain is still changing and maturing well into adulthood.
Other specific changes in the brain during adolescence include a rapid increase in the connections between the brain cells and pruning (refinement) of brain pathways. Nerve cells develop myelin, an insulating layer which helps cells communicate. All these changes are essential for the development of coordinated thought, action, and behavior.
Changing Brains Mean that Adolescents Act Differently From Adults
Pictures of the brain in action show that adolescents’ brains function differently than adults when decision-making and problem solving. Their actions are guided more by the amygdala and less by the frontal cortex. Research has also demonstrated that exposure to drugs and alcohol before birth, head trauma, or other types of brain injury can interfere with normal brain development during adolescence.
Based on the stage of their brain development, adolescents are more likely to:
act on impulse
misread or misinterpret social cues and emotions
get into accidents of all kinds
get involved in fights
engage in dangerous or risky behavior
Adolescents are less likely to:
think before they act
pause to consider the potential consequences of their actions
modify their dangerous or inappropriate behaviors”
-Directly from the aforementioned site
@PainNLife
Yes, you are minimizing her problems by saying “she’s just 14”. This implies that she’s incapable of grasping the reality of her situation therefore it can’t be as bad as she thinks it is because “she’s just 14”.
Why can’t a “kid” think like an adult? I stated in my other post, when I transitioned from “teen” to “adult” I didn’t magically and instantly become wise and knowledgeable solely because of my age, my judgment did not instantly morph into what it is today, that is a gradual process that took years to learn, all of it from my teenage years.
“I’m sorry but it’s not kids cannot make adult decision and by “adult decisions†I mean decisions that greatly and dramatically affect their life….”
I think you mean to say: “When I was a teenager I was incapable of making an adult decision and couldn’t grasp the reality of decisions that greatly and dramatically could affect my life”. You’ve only experienced adolescence from your point of view, you can’t assume that for everyone. Not all “kids” are the same. Get off your high horse, yes, there are some “kids” who are more sensible than me, more sensible than you. Your age doesn’t make you superior to everyone younger than you, you just need to accept the fact that you’re not on top of every “kid” because of your age alone.
“they may have been right in invalidating your opinion on adult things because it’s not an adult opinion”
Not this again. Who are you to judge my opinion solely because of my age? You don’t know what I said, you don’t know what I was arguing for and my opinion, you don’t have any knowledge to make an assumption that it was illogical. Your age alone does not decide on how rational you are.
I’d like to point out your hypocrisy as well… You’re 21, right? The brain doesn’t stop growing until the age of 25. Therefore you’re incapable of making an adult decision because your brain isn’t fully developed. By your logic: Everyone age 26+ is more sensible than you because their brains are more mature.
Just as there are unusually mature children, there are unusually immature adults. Nothing is absolute; exceptions always exist to every rule.
From personal life experience, which is highly valuable and shouldn’t be dismissed so assuredly, I’ve not only seen myself change exponetially, but witnessed the evolution of my peers.
There are certain things a child/teenager cannot grasp, until they’ve experienced it themselves. Drugs are a great example. I lived through the D.A.R.E. drug awareness program in elementary school, and didn’t take any of it seriously. You can tell kids not to do drugs until blue in the face, but they an never understand WHY until certain life experiences. Until a close friend overdoses, or dies in a drunk driving accident, or too much cocaine induces a paranoia so intense they realize drugs really do just exacterbate emotional issues.
I could list numerous experiences that have changed my life, leading me towards maturity, but even so, I still find it difficult to maintain the argument that children/teengers posess the same logic adults do.
At 14, there are so many experiences yet to be had; each experience defining one as a person. The 14 old brain is still highly platstic (I’m a neuroscience major) remaining as such until about 19-21. Brain plasticity, is essentially the brain’s ability to form new neuronal connections, each connection functioning to store various information regarding memory, personality, knowledge, judgement, etc. A before and after digital representation of the brain of someone who for example, learns a new language, will display new neuronal networks, specifically in the brain’s lingual center. The prefrontal cortex, the brain region located near the forehead, is where neurocientist contend to be the site of judgement, reasoning, inhibition among other traits, not being fully formed until adulthood.
Therefore, it is unwise to believe someone so young could acquire the reasoning skills needed to weigh the pros and cons of suicide. They are unable to understand the weight of such a decision, and the potential of their life to change. I mean, even the knowledge level; surely most adults know that it is impossible to overdose on vitamins. Vitamins are rejuvinative, and after a certain amount, do nothing. Or at least an adult would be pragmagtic enough to first search for such information about vitamins and reach this conclusion. Again, barbituates? Not knowing what those are is probably a good thing in this case.
There certainly exist highly mature, and rational teenagers, but each case should be judged individually. This girl is not one of them. And that’s completely normal! At 14, that means she still has the innocence and inexperince to easily grow, change, and become an emotionally healthy adult! I, on the contrary, am marred by years of depression, bad choices/experiences, and such. It will take much more time and effort for me, if I choose, to change the person I’ve become.
If you care to read the aforementioned article this is not just something I pulled out my ass this is scientific …of course there are kids capable of making responsible decisions but for the most part there are very few exceptions to the rule…..and you know what makes older people superior to younger people….one word…EXPERIENCE….experience gives wisdom that only experience can….no matter how intelligent a kid may be if he lacks experience he can’t know certain things….that’s why on job interviews experience beats degrees…..who’d get hired first a guy with 5 degrees and no experience or a guy with 1 degree and 30 years of experience
“that is a gradual process that took years to learn, all of it from my teenage years.”- you know by saying this you’re proving my point right?
You’re right I don’t know the details maybe you’d care to share them so that I may properly give my opinion rather than operating off blindness….
I’ll read it in a second. First of all: Experience does not create wisdom. Wisdom is created by learning from experience. Time can go by and if you don’t learn anything from that time you won’t be any more mature or wise than before.
@Duke; I’m + $60. Found out the fat chick was from Scotland, angry guy is from London, England. They’re gone now, I think they’re eating. (Scotland blonde was hungry).
Now I’m surrounded by tattooed American alcoholics. My kind of people.
Up $60, free drinks. Not a bad Tuesday.
“adolescents are more likely to…”
The key word here is “likely” Likely does not mean “always”. Yes, there are some exceptions, why do you assume that every “kid” who contemplates or decides to comment suicide is not one of those exceptions?
Well I’m 22 so lets see….3 years of brain development left vs 11 years left….hmm….is that comparable at all?…..and maybe they are who knows but at 21 you are considered an adult by society so that’s what I’m going by even if I weren’t I’m still only 3 years left from a fully developed brain and I have experienced life as an adult enough to know I no longer want to live….
“All of it from my teenage years”
This meant that I learned from my opinions and thoughts from that time, I learned from them because they were sensible and coherent. Unlike what you assume they were based solely on my age.
@SB “Experience does not create wisdom. Wisdom is created by learning from experience. Time can go by and if you don’t learn anything from that time you won’t be any more mature or wise than before.” – semantics ….you know what I meant even still they haven’t even had the opportunity to learn from experience
A kid can’t “think” like an adult, just as a pianist can’t suddenly pick up a trombone and play it. Through lots of time and experience, a trombone player has learned the exact mouth formations and amount of air required to produce certain sounds.
“I have experienced life as an adult enough to know I no longer want to live…”
So you’ve only been this way in your adult years? If so, “you don’t have enough “experience” of being suicidal to really grasp what suicide is” is what someone who’s had a decade of suicidal ideation could say.
(I’m not taking a stab at you, I’m using this as an example, nothing personal)
@PainNLife
Not every adult utilizes their time and learns from them and gains wisdom from them, therefore not every adult is more sensible than a “kid”.
@SB The key word in “All of it from my teenage years†is from…….”from” means ….. indicating a source of knowledge or the basis for one’s judgment ……therefore you learned from your teenage years….you can’t learn from your teenage years during your teenage years because you are still in them….only until its over can you say you learned from something…..How can a person say while reading a book….”I learned from this book while still reading the book?”
@PainNLife
You can most certainly learn in the present, are you saying you can’t ameliorate your wisdom and rationality right now, tomorrow or the next week? I don’t see the logic in your claim.
If I had a 14 year old that told me he was in love and wanted to get married, I wouldn’t take it seriously, and neither would any of you. If I had a 14 year old that told me he was depressed and wanted to kill himself, I would take his feelings seriously, but conclude that it is far too soon for him to have thought through all the intricacies regarding suicide and assume that there is still an extremely large probability of resolve, and a necessity of development.
Suicidality doesn’t require any length of experience for judgment; but living life itself, and rather judging those life experiences, is needed to consider the consequences of dying.
@PainNLife
Learning from the past doesn’t mean you have to experience an entire year before you learn something. I can ponder about last week and learn from that experience. A teen can think about what has happened in a prior month or week and gain wisdom from that.
@whyohwhysky
If determining weather the whole of life is worthy of endurance is an ability all people, irrespective of age, possess, then it seems reasonable that lesser feats — such as voting, driving, drinking, and living independently — should also be within the grasp of all humans with functioning rational faculties. I assume you do not accept the latter conclusion and ask why a child should be though capable of determining the value of life when they cannot determine a fit presidential candidate.
@SB….”So you’ve only been this way in your adult years? If so, “you don’t have enough “experience†of being suicidal to really grasp what suicide is†is what someone who’s had a decade of suicidal ideation could say”…….
this is a misconception based on the fact that suicidal ideation isn’t a skill….it’s not something that one adult person can acquire and gain experience in…. this is tantamount to saying an adult person who watches porn for ten years tells you you only watched it for one year so you don’t really grasp what pornography is…um thats bullshit if you’ve seen it one you’ve seen it a thousand times AKA if you’ve been suicidal once…..it’ll feel the same the next time and the next time and the next time…….HOWEVER do not get it twisted an assume this applies for all ages because a kid isn’t operating with the same brain as an adult….In fact a young kid wouldn’t know what pornography is and if showed it numerous times it would bring harm to that kid…..
I’m not arguing for a “kid” to vote or be president. I’m talking about a “kid” making the decision to commit suicide, which is completely different because it is a personal decision and a reflection of their life, which no one else can determine what the solution to their circumstance is. They can offer suggestions, but in the end the “kid” must be able to make their own choice and must be given the option to commit suicide if they feel that is the right decision.
I don’t believe that all ages can determine the value of life, nor whether its worthy of endurance. You are arguing my point, it seems.
@PainNLife
What kind of “kids” are you talking about? I’m pretty sure a 14 year old can grasp the idea of what pornography is.
“it would bring harm to that kid…..”
Hahaha, sex is sooo innocence shattering, they might have nightmares, oh no, how terrifying is sex, oh my god genitalia, kids must never be exposed to such things, the horror, what if they knew what the opposite gender looked like nude, their poor eyes and brain, a kid must never know, for their own good of course. Think of the children
@SB…”You can most certainly learn in the present, are you saying you can’t ameliorate your wisdom and rationality right now, tomorrow or the next week? I don’t see the logic in your claim. Learning from the past doesn’t mean you have to experience an entire year before you learn something. I can ponder about last week and learn from that experience. A teen can think about what has happened in a prior month or week and gain wisdom from that.”….
…you can learn in the present….but you can’t learn FROM the present….because it is happening…..for example if I drop a bomb on a house can I learn what damage the bomb did while it is exploding or can I learn FROM the damage after it has been done?
You learn FROM the past not during the present…you don’t know how to add while learning how to add….you learn after you have been taught how to add….
yes a teen can think and gain wisdom I never said they couldn’t however they can’t apply that wisdom and experience as adults until they are adults….
@SB Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but exposing full blown sex to a child is bad in the sense that they aren’t equipped emotionally or physically or mentally to understand what sex is and what it means….I’m talking prepubescent kids
@PainNLife
I agree, what I’m saying is that kids can learn from the past and be just as wise as some adults. You don’t need to wait 5 years before you gain wisdom. It entirely depends on how a person utilizes their time. A kid can gain as much wisdom in 5 months as an adult can in 3 years. Again, it’s totally dependent on the person and how they utilize that time.
@SB….I’m not arguing for a “kid†to vote or be president. I’m talking about a “kid†making the decision to commit suicide, which is completely different because it is a personal decision and a reflection of their life, which no one else can determine what the solution to their circumstance is. They can offer suggestions, but in the end the “kid†must be able to make their own choice and must be given the option to commit suicide if they feel that is the right decision…….
Replace “commit suicide” with “inject heroin” and ask yourself if that statement still makes sense to you
I’d actually argue for a kids right to vote since it doesn’t matter anyway but back to the prior discussion
@SB
I agree it is a personal decision. A person is right in taking their life if it seems to them best to do so. The problem is that a child has yet to fully develop into themselves. If your friend gets drunk and decides that it would be best to commit suicide, would you let them? I wouldn’t, because when a person is drunk they aren’t really themselves. They aren’t thinking as they would normally and are thus not apt to make those kinds of decisions. A child, the same, is not truly themselves entirely. It’s not until the ages of 17-23 that people truly settle into their minds and understand what kind of person they are.
@whyohwhy
Please forgive me. Upon reading your comments, it does seem that we are arguing to the same effect. I suppose it really wasn’t my place to barge into the discussion, especially without perusing the comments prior.
@PainNLife
It’s literally just a body. How is that terrifying in any form. If people stopped over sexualizing nude bodies the children would be fine. Do you think that the children of the native Hawaiian population that were known to not wear clothes because of the tropical climate were traumatized?
If people presented sex as a humane, nature procedure, the children would be fine. There’s nothing scary about sex. I don’t know how a kid could be traumatized by that.
@SB “A kid can gain as much wisdom in 5 months as an adult can in 3 years. Again, it’s totally dependent on the person and how they utilize that time.”….. you’re not serious are you….aside from the obvious time advantage the adult has…..you’re going to tell me a kid…in 150 days….can gain as much wisdom from LIFE as an adult in 1095 days…. I don’t care if the adult utilizes their time extremely poorly and the kid utilizes his time incredibly well….its just not happening….aside from the time advantage the kid can’t experience life as an adult yet so he can’t even gain the same caliber of experience …. I’m sorry but kids are kids and adults are adults ….that’s just the way it is they aren’t the same
@Scar
Yes, but a person who is drunk has not had time to evaluate their life and come to a conclusion like that. Teenagers do not instantly become suicidal, it is a process that takes time and thus they have enough experience to make a *subjectively) logical decision
@PainNLife
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Could the students of Aristotle, Socrates and other wise figures gain more wisdom in 3 months than an adult could who did not listen or was not educated by wise figures in a year? Most likely, yes.
@SB….I’m not talking about naked bodies I’m talking about sex….I don’t really feel like repeating myself instead I googled a bit and please read the following excerpt from psychology today:
“Research shows that early exposure to pornography is a risk factor for sex addictions and other intimacy disorders. In one study of 932 sex addicts, 90 percent of men and 77 percent of women reported that pornography was a factor in their addiction. With the widespread availability of explicit material on the Internet, these problems are becoming more prevalent and are surfacing at younger ages.
Sexual Violence. According to some studies, early exposure (by age 14) to pornography and other explicit material may increase the risk of a child becoming a victim of sexual violence or acting out sexually against another child. For some people, habitual use of pornography may prompt a desire for more violent or deviant material, including depictions of rape, torture or humiliation. If people seek to act out what they see, they may be more likely to commit sexual assault, rape or child molestation.
Early exposure to sexual content in the media may have a profound impact on children’s values, attitudes and behaviors toward sex and relationships.”
@PainNLife
I’m not talking about exposing babies, toddles or <10 year old kids to pornography. I'm talking like 5th grade to 8th grade age range. I'm pretty sure a 5th grader can handle sex, I know I could when I was that age.
Telling someone about something isn’t the same as doing something and gaining experience….. That’s why in the workplace experience + education trumps education + education every time……if I have more experience and a degree and you have 2 degrees and no experience I bet I’d get the job over you in every field based on that experience….there are some things that can’t be taught that you only learn through experience
@PainNLife
Fine, I concede. You win this argument, your logic is indubitably valid (no sarcasm) although I don’t agree with some of your points, you do have valid reasons to support them. we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Although we disagree on this, I still like ya 😉
That’s you….overall kids can’t handle it…..and most kids shouldn’t be learning about sex until they start getting those “weird” feelings around 6th 7th grade and start growing hair in certain places…..mostly 7th grade though….
Okay…. same here 😀 sometimes debates are fun….I’ll miss them when I’m in my pine box
You guys are missing out. The bald Australians showed up, plus the red headed Bulgarian is still tending bar. One last beer.
America is a beautiful place, land o the free.
@whyohwhysky You’re both a model AND a neuroscientist? That is so hawt. Are you into girls at all? Would you be willing to go out to an aquarium or something with me? One harmless date couldn’t hurt, right?
J/k (unless you agree). I wanted to be a neuroscientist myself (I was interested in cognitive neuroscience), but unfortunately I didn’t get that far in school before depression/insomnia etc., made it impossible for me to study and thus achieve decent grades. I still think it’s such a fascinating field. Perhaps I should attend one of those public seminars at a university sometime.