Realtalk30 …. I fucking miss that guy….the only dude here willing to be realistic and brutally honest with people… Man I fucking miss him….from now on I’ll take his approach to this site…brutal fucking honesty…don’t like it? Oh well…the truth is rarely popular anyways…. I’ll spare no one…post some bullshit and logic and brutal honesty will accompany me to greet you…that is all…
Have a good day
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I was just thinking of him the other day.
Yeah I miss the guy man…one of the more memorable members here
Why did RT30 leave?
I’ve never met a chronic pot head that I didn’t get along with. It seems like people who smoke “way to much weed” are easy to get along with. Hehe. Maybe that’s what the world needs; a population that’s high most of the time.
From what i understood, he basically “up and realized,” one day, that this site isn’t what he needed to be doing, and decided to get on with his life. I got the impression he wasn’t going to be checking out anytime soon. But in this world, who knows.
I hope he’s doing alright. Sometimes you need to take a break from certain things… so I understand what he’s doing. When I came back from my last break, he was one of the first people I crossed paths with. Good guy.
Distant I think because he used to get harshly criticized for his honesty…and sometimes people got offended…not the whole reason but a reason nonetheless
I understand, PainNLife. Perhaps it’s because many people are here on SP because their life isn’t a bunch of roses… and when someone is honest with you, it puts reality right back in your face. I respect RT30 for being honest. It doesn’t help anyone to lie to them. There may be times when I sugar-coat things a bit depending on the circumstance but I won’t stray from the truth. Hopefully, we’ll see RT30 back here.
“brutal honesty”? Couldn’t you find a better place for doing that?
Dont.Even.Try.This
Nope quaero I cannot…honesty is never the enemy…under any circumstances concerning reality
You are power hungry.
I was joking. But You see what happened here? And it was only a little above honesty. Imagine what “brutal honesty” could translate into there.
And my opinion about you can be very wrong too. That means i creates unnecessary and wrong violence there. My point is: honesty can very well be wrong. And even if its right one should say things according to the type of person on the other side, taking into consideration how he might interpret that.
What if a newbie never come back here just because you were “brutally honest” with him? This site is for helping people.
*my opinion about you can very well
be wrong (incorrect) too
“Those who take pride in being “brutally honest†are typically more interested in being brutal than they are in being honest.
Indeed, sometimes difficult and uncomfortable things need to be said (and honesty in saying them is very important!). Usually, however, they can be said with tact and kindness.”
the Hidden Meaning of Brutal Honesty, Bob Burg
swissman, i love you, that was beautiful
Tact in verbiage takes a developed skill set most lack. Kindness can run in short supply, for someone who has given away too much of it to the wrong people.
I disagree that brutal honesty is “typically about” brutality.
I think the opposite: brutal honesty is honesty despite predictable discomfort, not just another opportunity to hurt people with the truth.
People who enjoy hurting others are rarely honesty buffs.
@quero: a slight lie is still a lie. Almost all lies are at least partially based on truth… though the amount of truth varies, depending on the purpose of the lie. The more truth you include, the more likely your audience will believe the included part that isn’t true.
@jswiss: I disagree respectfully… If people wanted to just be brutal…you never need honesty to accomplish that
“there is always some lie in truths. But there is also always some truth in lies.” – me
Regarding others, truth and lie are very blurry concepts and are mainly based on one’s intention of saying them.
Its the lie we tell to ourselves, or believe ourselves, or even think ourselves, that bothers me. There i cannot even detect my intention.
The definition of “truth,” precludes lie.
The definition of “lie,” requires some truth, or it is not believable to the audience, which then defeats the purpose of crafting a lie.
There is a difference between stating what one honestly believes to be truth, and stating what one wants someone else to believe is true, while knowing it’s not.
The first is “mistaking,” while the second is plain deception.
The first is not malicious intent, while the second often is… but sometimes isn’t. Some people lie to make others feel better, or to avoid causing them to feel worse by revealing unpleasant truths.
I don’t think it’s actually possible for anyone to tell “the whole truth, and nothing but the truth…” but i don’t think the intention of that requirement is for the person to tell what is actually true, but rather, for them to INTEND to tell what they *honestly believe* is actually true, so that the attempted objective parties may give their best effort at discerning the closest possible approximation of the actual truth. And hopefully, ideally, that closest approximation of the actual truth, will be “close enough” to serve its purpose justly.
@ clevername
what does that skill set consist of in your opinion?
same thing as a Fake (one trying to sell it as a genuine) and a Reproduction ( hey this isn’t the real thing and i am telling you)
@Gilspace: if i knew how to explain that, i’d be teaching people. I don’t think i’m qualified to teach anyone how to be tactful, or even outline the requirements thereof.
Would anyone be willing to explain the necessity of honesty being brutal? Is tactful/ considerate honesty somehow “less” honest?
I wonder if “brutal” was attached to the word “honesty,” by someone whose feelings were hurt by being directly informed of some unpleasant truth.
I think sometimes, the truth needs to be delivered with impact, to sort of shock the person out of their delusions… and if you go out of your way to soften the blow, they won’t fully comprehend it, or they’ll try to keep skewing and twisting it to mean something other than what you’re trying to carefully tell them.
But also, it’s just easier to be direct. Saves time and energy, because tact can be difficult and inefficient. There are already too many problems contained in the truth, and many more caused by untruth. We should save our energy for understanding facts and creating solutions; tact is a luxury.
It would certainly be nice if more people chose to be direct and honest about their thoughts and feelings in regards to other people, instead of choosing to ignore those people and hoping all their issues will disappear. (Newsflash: they won’t.)
Greater variety of approaches and perspectives is always valued. It’s certainly no easy task to deliver harsh truths (you’ve bravely acknowledged this) but be wary of its pitfall: if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like nails.