what the fuck? chemicals affect behavior? no fucking way, the data is wrong, the scientists are stupid. look, here is the truth: what do BABIES do? fucking nothing. then when they hurt, they start crying screaming hellfire torture. they don’t DO anything, except scream when they hurt. babies KNOW the TRUTH. everything you do is LEARNED, it is sensed through PERCEPTION. a blind baby cannot see, so they CANNOT perceive things through eyes, so functionally sight is a LIE to them. they are TOLD that others can see, they have NO WAY of knowing except for your words to them. everything is LEARNED, everything is conceptualized and perceived. if you WERE NOT TAUGHT ABOUT LOVE, you WOULD’NT KNOW WHAT LOVE IS. the TRUTH is that there is NOTHING, NO HAPPINESS, NO DEPRESSION, NO ANGER, NO BIRTHDAYS, NO CHRISTMAS, NO PMS, NO LUST OR CRUSHING, NO SEX DRIVE, NO MEN, NO WOMEN, NO HOMOSEXUALITY OR HETEROSEXUALITY, NO SUICIDAL THINKING, NO SCHIZOPHRENIA, NO BDSM, NO ICE SKATING, NO BROTHER IN ARMS, NO CODES OF CONDUCT, NO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING …
unless …
THEY ARE FUCKING TAUGHT.
schizophrenics have been TAUGHT, for at least a microsecond, that there are GOOD things, and there are BAD things, and so when they are SEDUCED by what is considered BAD, then all hell breaks loose and their thought processes are LABELED MENTAL ILLNESS, A DISEASED MIND THAT NEEDS TO BE TREATED. to be DEPRESSED is to SEE the TRUTH, that NOTHING MATTERS IN THIS WORLD.
the ONLY thing that matters is PAIN. PAIN FUCKING HURTS. PLEASURE or feeling good are DELUSIONS, THEY ARE MADE TO BE INDOCTRINATED INTO EVERY NEW HUMAN THAT IS CREATED. when you EJACULATE, when you CLIMAX, when you EAT A CHEESEBURGER when you are HUNGRY, when you DRINK WATER when you are THIRSTY, when you are KISSING SOMEONE, when you HUG SOMEONE, when you FEEL AN ADRENALINE RUSH FROM SKYDIVING OR SURFING, when you READ WORDS THAT RESONATE WITH YOU, it IS NOT PLEASURE OR HAPPINESS, it is a DELUSION, it is a REPRIEVE FROM PAIN.
there is PAIN, and there is LESS PAIN. that is the FUCKING TRUTH.
what happens is that NEW HUMANS are TRAINED BY THEIR CARETAKERS, BY THEIR GUARDIANS to BELIEVE THAT LIFE IS GOOD, AND THAT CREATING LIFE IS GOOD. when a PARENT and THEIR CHILD walk into a STARBUCKS together, they are TRAINING you to accept the NORMALCY of the PROGRESSION AND CONTINUATION OF LIFE. the INDOCTRINATION IS DEEP AND INTENSIVE, AND IT IS A DISEASE THAT MUST BE TREATED. DEATH is the ONLY CURE. DEATH is UTOPIA where there is NO PAIN. SUICIDE is FUCKING HARD to do because it is PAINFUL and because YOU KNOW WHAT IS COMING.
SUICIDE IS THE TRUEST, BRAVEST THING POSSIBLE. if we STOP MAKING BABIES, THERE WILL BE NO MORE PAIN. NO PAIN EQUALS UTOPIA.
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very interesting & smart observation.
the hidden truth is: some suicidal people are actually a lot smarter than the average “normal†people/society,
no wonder smart people are often depressed, and suicidal.
@Nowayou: You’re pretty passionate about the everything-is-perception argument. I hope you don’t mind me asking why you think we wouldn’t know, for example, about, for example, love if we weren’t taught about it? I agree with you that many concepts are culturally determined (like what love is). My impression of what I’ve read from you is that our minds determine our experience of events otherwise external to us, and give those experiences meaning. While I believe external events are independent of our perception, their meaning must rely on our perception of them, so I also agree with you that perception for a self aware animal like us is paramount. To be honest, though, I do believe there are objective phenomena independent of individual perception or even the perceptions of all humans.
I also agree with you that pain is (near) universal, and there is, as you’ve said, “less pain.” It seems to me that living things try to flee sources of pain (to them) unless they feel the pain results in even greater pleasures. Maybe some suicidals, like me, seek out suicide because we’re struggling to move towards what you’ve called “less pain,” and haven’t found other viable ways. I don’t know that I could call death utopia, since I conceive of death as absolute loss of consciousness–neither pain nor pleasure (or even “less pain”). But maybe that’s just my linguistic problem. I remember reading a psychologist’s assessment of the fractured reasoning of suicidals like me. He said we wrongly assume death will solve our problems. I wondered how we could be wrong since I can’t imagine having problems while dead. But he continued that we seek death when we exhaust our coping mechanisms. That I agreed with–I continue to agree with. “Less pain,” as you said. That’s certainly what I want, and the only way I can conceive of realizing it is to die.
Thanks for providing early morning reading. Be well.
If everything is taught and learned, how does a baby know to cry if it’s in pain or hungry?
Some things are hardwired into the brain, but I know what you’re saying It’s the whole nature versus nurture shit.
Pretty sure both pain and pleasure are equally illusory, if one or the other can validly fit into that category. The fact we can all feel both in some measure, longing for one and shirking from the other, leads me to think that neither one is a delusion, since that experience can be communicated to other creatures like me, who have had similar experiences.
Choosing one over the other is not going to give you truth. If pleasure is delusion so must be pain too. Real nothingness should feel like nothing. Well that’s what logic says.
If everything is pain, pleasure should also be pain, then why does it feel opposite of that?
There are people who argues exact opposite of you. They say everything is pleasure, and pain is an illusion, a man made thing. And their arguments look right too.
Newborn baby cries because he looses his comfortable mother womb where he was getting necessary things like food and oxygen without making any effort. So it seems existence, in its mother womb, is quite pleasureable.
Also animals don’t commit suicide. That’s why i can view suicide as anything but a natural thing. Life is against death. It doesn’t want death. But everything disintegrates with time. That’s why life evolved the technique of reproduction. Will of life is to live forever. But i do see the tao here. The struggle continues. The karma continues.
But now i am seeing a different thing. If god created the first cause, we humans, who also are gods, can complete it by our independent action of suicide . It does make sense. But then you have to take this decision independently, and not out of some reason like pain, suffering or curiosity. Is that possible?
Animals do commit suicide, they run out in front of cars all the time, jump off bridges and dround
It was pretty painful to read all that. Ugh..
ditto lol
I suppose my views on life could largely be related to those of a physicalist. I don’t believe in anything like a mental disorder or witchcraft, though I can understand how people could, because they like to label things, and they especially love insulting people with differences.
Anyways, I have a habit to look at things like mental disorders, and I do not see how they are exactly disorders. I guess that they are not desirable to society, but in reality, there is no such thing as wrong or right. That is why, although I would agree that life is largely about avoiding pain, I cannot see how that is a bad thing on a deeper level. Emotionally, I wouldn’t want more people to suffer, but the universe doesn’t care what I want.
Statistically speaking, 1 in every 5 people in the USA have an unruptured brain aneurysm, and they don’t even know it. I find that absolutely baffling.
@depressednihilist: I think looking at the pathology of mental illness as being something socially defined (applied to the individual by society) is kind of distorted in some ways. Sure, you could say the people psychiatry/psychology would define as suffering from psychosis just have a different perspective that’s strange and scares most people. But what about the person’s experience of so-called psychosis? Generally, it’s extremely unpleasant, but because of the nature of the problem, those same people, despite all the compounded suffering they experience, will shy away from getting any sort of help to improve their quality of life. I don’t enjoy being depressed; don’t enjoy anxiety; don’t enjoy brief psychotic episodes, although hypomania can be fun when it occurs. But all of those things are words to describe common states of mind between disparate individuals, which gives people a shared frame of reference to talk about their experiences. In that sense, I’d find it difficult to say mental disorders don’t exist, but I would question whether it’s all about the individual, or something systemic within society itself. After all, people don’t go crazy for no good reason unless there’s something physiologically wrong – most people who “go crazy,” do so because they live in an incredibly dysfunctional social dynamic and don’t even know what functional would look like.
I think I may have used the wrong wording. They are problematic, but at the same time, I just feel that they are natural responses to what is already present in the universe. But that is a good question, whether or not those with mental disorders are the ones fucked up, or if it is the universe itself, and this is causing distress.
It’s not so much the universe as it is the way human society is structured – the fact that it’s structured how it is, is highly unusual in contrast with the rest of what exists in the universe. These problems shouldn’t happen as often in healthy cultures. But we’re social creatures – family bonds, and social integration are almost necessities, and our society is stratified and fragmented all to hell, and everyone is more socially isolated every year.
This is quite possibly the cold hard truth.