On this thread about 13 year old girls who cry wolf about suicide, a couple of links were posted by Koji about a former member of this site – a 15 year old girl who supposedly killed herself at the beginning of this year – eloquently describing why we should never judge what’s going on in the minds of some of the teenage attention whores who post on this website trying to solicit sympathy.
The links show the moving final post of orphaner-coolscar as she described her last night and suicide method in detail, followed by a heartfelt post by her “mother” three months later confirming that the attempt was successful.
Well, say hello to orphaner-coolscar:
http://jellolo.deviantart.com/stats/gallery/?rnrd=100238
http://jellolo.deviantart.com/journal/
She’s not dead. In fact, she has several active accounts on other websites all over the internet, and her “jellolo” account is still cached as orphaner-coolscar on Google. She just had activity on her journal about 8 hours ago, and on her Tumblr account she had activity just days before she impersonated her mother on this site.
So… yeah. I’ll keep my own opinions to myself about what I think of this “person” and her deception, especially since she distressed so many people here with her posts. But please, feel free to create your own Deviant Art account and comment on her journal.
By the way, I think that this little revelation validates the points brought up by nihilist on her post. I’m sorry, but nonsense like this DOES in fact make people take suicide less seriously, and that’s no laughing matter.
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What about the girl who killed herself by driving her moped into a lake around Christmastime? Was that real?
Not familiar with that one. I’m not a regular here. My girlfriend used to be, and still comes here occasionally. That’s when she found the posts about orphaner-coolscar, and we did a little internet detective work and found out the ruse. If you link me to this moped in the lake story, I could investigate it for you. But my initial reaction is that it sounds kind of fishy. No pun intended.
I can’t remember the username of that person. I believe that a so-called relative of theirs posted, maybe on Christmas Day, saying that they had taken their life. It seemed kinda legit at the time but who knows. I don’t think I bothered searching any news stories for verification.
I would be instantly suspicious of anyone whose “relative” posted on this site confirming a suicide. How would that person even know about this site? How would they know the suicidal person’s screen name? If they posted under that person’s account, how would they gain access to the password? And finally… why the hell would they even care about informing a bunch of strangers on an internet suicide message board about the death of their loved one to begin with? We’re no one important to them, and a more realistic reaction would be that they would blame the people on this site for the suicide.
I’ve had a person on another website I frequent fake her own death by terminal illness, then impersonate her own husband and sister to confirm her death, followed by impersonating her own children claiming the husband then died tragically leaving them orphaned. This caused a HUGE outpouring of sympathy and heartache, because she was a well known and popular regular on that site. Then it was discovered that she was alive and well, and nothing had happened to the family.
Needless to say, several people, including myself, felt outraged and betrayed. So, I look for holes in people’s stories whenever there’s this public declaration of tragedy online that seems developed to garner the most sympathy from the most amount of people. It left me jaded and cynical, and I always do detective work to confirm the story before I let my guard down. That’s not to say I think EVERYONE who posts sob stories is a case of Münchausen syndrome… but still, a LOT of that goes on. So you have to take everything anyone says with a grain of salt.
That’s why I’m so…pedantic about disclosing so much the intense side of my suicidal thoughts and, I mean I can put up delayed posts and such, but it’s providing irrefutable confirmation that I’m dead that’ll be the real challenge.
Reports on suicide in NZ are not reported on per se, instead the media uses PC phrases such as “a body has been found” and “the death is not being treated as suspicious”. I think my best bet would be to leave links to the major media outlets here in NZ on my departure post (as it’ll be up weeks after I’ve bit the dust) and let people do their own verification and so forth.
Sadly, I jump on board the internet sleuth wagon a little too late to do anything to good effect, but at least I’m versed enough in doing so that I can seek out someone if I feel I really need to.
OT: *facedesk*
If you do end up committing suicide and you want to let everyone here know that it actually happened because you have good friends here or whatnot, the easiest way to prove it would be to leave a note stipulating that someone you trust should post a copy of your obituary to this site. That’s actually what tipped me off to orphaner-coolscar. I have a few methods of doing intensive searches on people with little to no information to go on. I looked for an obituary. Nothing. I looked for news stories about a 15 year old girl who either died or killed herself in the manner she described. Nothing. Then I started looking for recent activity on the various art websites she liked to frequent. bingo. Tons of hits. She’s all over the web.
I can’t help but wonder what motivates a person to fake their own death for the benefit of readers on a suicide site. Are they hoping they’ll be “remembered” fondly by anonymous well wishers who chime in with sentimental condolences? Are people that desperate for compliments?
I don’t get it. Whatever.
It’s difficult to know who should be taken seriously and who just needs a hug.
I do agree with Koji’s posts on nihilist’s thread that every claim of suicide thoughts should be taken seriously and not belittled or ignored, EVEN if it’s just a cry for help. But that doesn’t mean we have to be taken for suckers and fools either. Reserve your concern for those people who legitimately need help, and don’t get yourself too emotionally worked up over claims of suicide without reliable confirmation.
The internet has made it too easy for people who engage in attention seeking behavior and/or just plain old trolling to take advantage of the good will of concerned people. Maybe they have a mental disorder. Maybe they’re malicious. Maybe their mommy didn’t hug them enough or their daddy hugged them too much. Whatever the case, their behavior is a detriment to everyone out there who ACTUALLY needs sympathy and help.
Everyone needs a hug. But I hear what you’re saying. <3
I have no problem with giving out hugs, even to people who aren’t suicidal. I have a big problem with being lied to, though.
Not every suicide is on the news. Though its a shame that she did this. I would have felt like that i would have taken advantage of if i had gotten to know her. Its so easy for someone to make an account here and post a story, and pretend to be whatever they want, make up a situation, say they are going to suicide. Who is legitimate and who needs medical help (münchensen syndrome, i cant spell…) and who is trying to just get attention. Some people want compliments, attention, sympathy. Their story may or may not be legitimate… Look for gaps and holes and inconsistencies
That is true. Not every suicide is on the news. However, I’m not aware of any corpses that continue to post on websites, so current internet activity is pretty easy to track down. And I agree, bullshit like this DOES make people feel taken advantage of, even if they don’t know them that well. Koji says that this particular poster has haunted his mind for nearly a year. Another concerned member, GeorgiaLove, reacted in much the same way. This girl violated them. It’s wrong, and I don’t care what her reasons were for doing it. I’m not going to say anything to her on her blog for a few days, because I want people here to be able to see the evidence before she locks up or deletes her profile, but once she’s thoroughly exposed I’m going to give her a piece of my mind.
Yes, it’s one thing to come on the site to get sympathy or attention by a few post and a bit of interaction with others, that’s one thing but then, if true, which it seems to be, to leave a post claiming you’re about to take your life and return 3 months later pretending to be the mother, that’s just too far. This happened before I came here but today when I went to the pages in question and before knowing, it did make me sad so it must have been so much worse for those who had posted on the page and thought she had indeed killed herself. I also have a hatred of trolls who torment grieving parents/family and friends of people who have died with callous comments, the internet has a lot of unsavoury people inhabiting it.
Couldn’t agree more with this post. Nothing to add.
Its like any other site online. For some reason anonymity gives people the courage and freedom to fabricate whatever stories they wish, for whatever reasons they wish. It mostly just comes down to the intent of the individual. Are they being overly dramatic and hyperbolic because they want attention and feel like it is necessary to overstate the level of their distress in order to get the attention they need. Or is it something more sinister and malicious. Unfortunately it is hard to tell what is true and what is not true on first appraisal. You never know who to trust at first. So do you trust them all knowing logically that at least some must be lying, or do you trust none even while knowing that they can’t all be lying.
I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but on the other hand you can’t believe everything you hear or read. And honestly, I don’t have that much of a problem with the people who are just looking for sympathy… but THIS?! This goes beyond the pale of acceptable behavior. Whether she realizes it or not (and she will realize it when I get done with her) she actually hurt some people here with her overblown attention seeking. Not cool, to put it mildly.
Wow. It’s one thing to exaggerate your problems, but to feign death, then coming on, pretending to be a parent. Just fucking wow.
Thanks for giving us a heads up man.
No problem buddy. My pleasure. The one who I’m going to feel the worst for is Koji when he sees this post. He was affected by orphaner-coolscar’s deception more than anyone else here with the possible exception of GeorgiaLove. She also really upset my girlfriend, which makes this kind of personal for me.
this is a disgrace to all the cancer patients that have died on this site </3
what would creeper tales have to say about this? she cut her arms off then went blind, true tragedy </3
Lololol I remember her. Talk about an attention seeker.
Sounds like I missed a bit of entertaining drama around here.
The one they are alluding to was http://suicideproject.org/author/oancu/ she actually stole the identity of a real life cancer patient. Claimed to be that girl, stole her pictures. Followed the real girls twitter and facebook feeds to use as inspiration for her lies.
Jesus Christ… there are some truly demented people out there.
What the heck… 🙁 That’s fucked
*SMH in disbelief*
Thanks OP for the info.
I’m so sorry, Koji. I know you really felt bad for this girl. I believe that it’s important for people to know the truth, but I can’t help but feel a little guilty about posting this. You have a good heart though, man. Don’t let this incident turn it hard. Much respect to you.
Oh no its okay FE, it is best to know the truth no matter how inconvenient it may appear. Don’t feel guilty, you gave a few worrying members abit of closure regarding what happened to her and I thank you. In the end, I am just glad she is alive and I hope she is in a better place now.
Why, thank you
Thanks for the heads-up. I suspected this happens from time to time in any community of this nature. All I can say is that the majority of people who come here do so for legitimate, real reasons. It’s a shame some tiny few want to ruin our capacity for empathy by engaging in these kinds of activities… which suggests their own issues more than anything…
Thanks for the heads-up Frank but I think she was lonely and just wanted some attention
Yeah but what a way to get attention, wringing the emotions out of others but, yes, she probably has her problems/reasons.
There’s nothing wrong with being lonely and wanting/needing attention. No one on this site is going to fault someone for coming on here and writing a post about their problems looking for help, attention, sympathy (or whatever else have you) from others. But to go about it the way this particular individual did is downright malicious. She actually distressed quite a few people on here and caused them to worry terribly about her for no good reason.
So sorry, I can’t be on her side at all in this case. Yes, she’s very young. Yes, she most likely does have some bad issues. Yes, she probably really was lonely and in need of attention. But there is no excuse for behaving the way that she did.
hi guys
infamous orphaner-coolscar here.
i did post in january about my final goodbye, because i really did do that and thought i was gonna get away with dying there. i opened up my forearms and swallowed the pills/alcohol, but because i literally ended up putting ice in the bath it slowed my bleeding down. i passed out and vomited and never got to use my rope
when i got out of the hospital, i was irrationally angry about how many comments i got on my final goodbye. keep in mind i have bpd&bipolar so i just,,,, something took over me and i claimed to be my mom.
its a disgusting thing to do. i just wanted attention after i once again failed my suicide attempt. i dont get positive attention in real life. here, i got sympathy. and it was a terrible thing to take advantage of on my part. i am really a compulsive liar in real life which is terrible, but ive done it my whole life in order to protect myself.
im so very sorry.
please though, leave orphaner-coolscar on tumblr out of this because i swear on everything that isnt me. i hate tumblr lol
and i would appreciate if i can still have my deviantart account (jellolo) in relative peace, its well established and i have positive friends and art and everything. i even paid for my account there so please.
after all this hopefully settles down im never coming back to this site.
but please at least believe me when i say i really am sorry, from the bottom of my heart. i am so so sorry. please dont let my fuckup steer you away from other young teenagers that need help here.
What you did was wrong. But at least you eventually came clean, so all can be forgiven. No one is going to bother you on your other accounts, but you really need to seriously think about how your behavior effects others. Remember, you’re dealing with SUICIDAL people on a website like this, and the stunt you pulled is toying with people’s emotions in a way that could literally put their lives at risk. Many people here are also mentally unstable. Take this as a learning experience, and learn to deal with your issues constructively. And work on that compulsive lying thing. Really. The truth always comes out in the end, and if you develop a reputation for this kind of thing, it will follow you and no one will ever take you seriously, on the internet or in real life.
I’m glad that you’re ok, and I hope you’re receiving help to deal with your issues.
i am currently receiving help, thank you. i have really relooked all my behaviour but as of currently i would never do this again in my whole life. i dont know what i was thinking. im very sorry.
Apology accepted.
People like you truly make me sick! Fucking with people’s emotions, and for what, attention? Are you really that deprived of attention that you would manipulate others into thinking you were dead so that they could grieve for someone they actually cared about? Others might have forgiven you for this, but I sure as hell won’t. Faking your death is a federal offence, and I hope someone reports you for it. Then you can have all the attention you could ever want in prison. I hate people like you. I truly, truly, hate you with a burning passion.
i know and i understand that
ps yeah i am deprived from attention in real life so i guess back then the ‘obvious’ course of action was to draw attention from a place i knew i could. and i know im gross and terrible and i hate myself too so dont worry
I have no sympathy for you. You deserve to hate yourself. People like you need to be alone. If you could lie to people who loved you, telling them you were killing yourself, then there’s no telling what else you’re capable of.
Okay chill out a little bit TwistedSpace. Yes, she was wrong. But at least she came on here and owned up and apologized for her actions. That’s a tough thing for anyone to do after they’ve done something wrong (which I mean, come on, who in this world hasn’t?).
I’m glad you’re okay orphaner-coolscar, but seriously please don’t ever do anything like this again. You can obviously see here on this thread the kind of reactions that this kind of behavior will elicit from others – and it’s not good. Plus, you really did worry and distress some people on here as well. Please remember that. And the next time you feel like you’re in need of attention (which is okay, it’s a natural human need), please find a much more honest and benign way to go about doing it.
I get where you’re coming from, TwistedSpace, I really do. When I first discovered the deception last night, I was furious. Especially because it brought back memories of the incident I described from another website, and because my girlfriend was also incredibly sad for orphaner-coolscar when she read Koji’s post and felt disgusted and betrayed when she found out it was a lie. Hell, we were downloading her artwork from Google images and putting it up as our desktop wallpaper to honor her memory. So, as you can imagine, neither of us were even slightly amused by her actions.
But on the other hand, she is just a kid and she was exposed and she did own up. Piling on the abuse isn’t going to solve anything. She’s facing some consequences right now, even if it’s just in the form of public embarrassment, and as someone who has done some things in his life that I’m not proud of, I believe in second chances. I’m a pretty squared-away guy now, but I can’t claim that was true when I was her age. I’m not going to try and convince you that you don’t have a right to be angry, because you definitely do. But try to keep some perspective about this. The girl clearly DOES have some legitimate issues, or she wouldn’t have done this in the first place.
There was someone I had feelings for who committed suicide. It was right around the time that I was working up a nerve to ask him on a date. I feel like if I would have asked him sooner, he would have reconsidered killing himself. Knowing that he was then gone forever killed me for the longest time, but did understand why he did it. He had a horrible life, and no, I’m not talking about being over privileged, and simply being grounded here and there or something Coolscar is probably going through. His mother was a crack whore, who would constantly abuse him and his sister, eventually he would be taken from her and sent to an orphanage where people would put kids into small containers and throw them into pools where they couldn’t breathe. He made a friend there who drowned during one of those events. He and his sister were later adopted, where things were slightly better for a time, but not for long. He was very flamboyant, and the other kids at school wouldn’t stop giving him shit about it. It was very bad, worse than I knew at the time. It’s what led to his suicide. It’s not everything he went through, there are things he went through that I still have no idea about.
Just saying, I know what it’s like to grieve. It’s one of the worst feelings you can ever experience. To be put through that, only to find out that the person was only fucking around for attention is unforgivable. If Ms. Orphener truly cared about any of you, she wouldn’t have done what she did.
I do apologize for how brutal I was, but I can’t forgive her.
That’s fair and understandable. No one can make anyone forgive a person for heinous actions, and I totally get where you’re coming from, especially after hearing that heartbreaking story. I can relate. My girlfriend, who I’ve mentioned before (and has been posting on this thread, but I choose not to identify unless she wants me to), also had a horrible childhood where she suffered awful abuse at the hands of her father, and extreme bullying throughout school to boot. It messed her up bad, has made it difficult for her to function as an independent adult, and has caused persistent suicidal ideation throughout her life. I just had the traumatizing experience of having to rush her to the emergency room after a suicide attempt by overdose back in July. Scariest experience of my life. She spent a 4 days in the ICU and a couple days of involuntary commitment in psych. I’ve been dealing with this kind of stuff for over 4 years now, and as hard as it’s been on me, I can’t even imagine how bad it must be for her, dealing with the constant mental torment for nearly her entire life.
So believe me, I’m on the same page as you are about being disgusted by those who would fake suicide just for sympathy, because it belittles the pain of others and also makes society take real suicide attempts less seriously. Yeah, you were a little brutal there, but it’s understandable.
@resitay (i cant reply to your comment for some reason)
i wont do this ever again, ive already established that. i promise. and i see the reactions, i know and honestly no one should be forgiving me because i did something absolutely atrocious. twistedspace is spot on actually
thank you for your feedback though- ive been working on finding positive attention skills in therapy!
Look, it’s good that you’re taking responsibility, but don’t regress into a self-hating attitude because TwistedSpace is furious at you. He has every right to be, but it won’t be a good thing either if it drives you towards self-destructive habits and negative attention seeking behavior. I don’t want you to suffer for this, I just want you to realize that there are consequences and to learn from them and improve so you can become a better person. I’m more than twice as old as you, so I remember what it was like to be young and impulsive and make some serious mistakes. The best way you can make up for this is to continue with your therapy and work on becoming an excellent adult.
no no, i already hated myself from the beginning and everyone does have the right to be as well. i am working very hard in therapy to get better coping and speech skills!
i want to thank you for being so…. kind? even though i did all this. thank you !!
i plan to be the best adult i can be hopefully
@twistedspace ok im sorry but being overpriveledged and getting grounded once in a while is what i wish to have gone through.
molestation and physical abuse started when i was 5 fucking years old. i was raped when i was just barely 11. i was hit and beaten until i was purple, all until that abuser moved out of my house this year. and i couldnt get help for it. no one believed me until i had some therapists and doctors help back me up.
i wasnt fucking around for attention, not at first. i really did attempt. i planned on dying and by some gross twist of fate, my sister found me and called 911.
and then if you read the rest of my original post, i wasnt myself (freshly out of hospital) and wanted sympathy and attention. so i whored out for it. it wasnt a good thing but for you to fucking assume that im “overpriveledged and grounded sometimes” is disgusting.
i dont care if you dont forgive me. i dont care i dont give a fuck about anyone on this site except for koji and georgia. just dont you fuckign dare try to brush off or assume my problems problems i swear
im done with this site fuck all of you, i’ll see you in hell, we can talk again then <3
I seem to get it, once you made the post as your mother than there’s no coming back even if you knew the hurt to koji etc. but please don’t have a go at others on this site, you have had a hard life but it was because we cared about you that the deception was so hard, in reading those posts myself made me feel sad and then this post appeared and I felt duped as well, as you can imagine anyone would. Most here will accept your apology and want the best for you now that you say you’re learnt from it and are seeking help.
You don’t have a right to be angry. So much for that therapy, huh? xD
I met a girl once who was in a committed relationship with her boyfriend. She got pregnant. Both the girl and the boyfriend, (who were both Caucasian), we’re excited about becoming parents.
When the baby was born, the little bundle of joy was Black. It turns out the girl had gotten pregnant from a one night stand she’d had with someone who wasn’t her boyfriend. Girlfriend never bothered telling boyfriend about the one night stand.
They kept the kid and they’re still together. These things happen. People aren’t always entirely honest and there are consequences to our actions that can affect others. Holding a grudge doesn’t solve anything.
Shit happens, deal with it.
Oh, and I don’t believe your sob story. You’ve already lied about killing yourself. Who knows what else is a total lie.