Where is he. This omnipotent, omnipresent so called benevelent being that people fall to their knees and give all the glory. He seems completely indifferent to our suffering as we are indifferent to suffering of ants (such simple delicate little creatures) as they are crushed under our feet and we don’t even give it a second thought? If we are truly his children then ask yourself this; If you had a child would test his virtue with tribulations like disease, famine, pestilence, war and natural disasters? If so then what kind of parent are you? Think of the acursed realms of the world; sudan, palestine, cierra lione , Jamaica(where i am), haiti, zimbabwe…the list goes on! because right now there are two kinds of people reading this post; one that clings to belief in this bloody, sadistic pagan god and another who looks on with utter resignation of the inevitable truth. Which one are you?
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god is the great creator. no one knows if he’s truly omnisient, omnipotent and omnipresent. god created everything we know but he did not create destruction or war or famine or whatever. those are the doings of man.
I swear as my mum was dying I felt His presence and her spirit on a number of occasions…I can’t explain it any other way.
You are also right synthaxe that those things are the doing of men not God. God does not condone what rotten things are done supposedly in His name. All abuse, murder, rape, violence, bullying etc etc is done for reasons of power. Whether that’s done in God’s name or some political ideology or other construct that they decide to create, the underlying cause is the quest for power. The greatest power to have is the one you give…I wish some ppl I met knew what that meant and didn’t find treating me like a 2nd class citizen, mistreating me and never giving me a voice or a say were actually taking power away from me and that’s just cruel, nasty and mean. I doubt any of them would even be aware that that’s what they were doing.
God is not real (To me) I don’t want to be negative by downing the christians…but life is no mystical journey. If you’re going to be anything less than love, life is pointless. I keep compassion even though I am suicidal. It just feels better to be good not because you have to be but because you want to be. Anybody that says “Because god wanted me to help you”, instead of “I wanted to help you” shows what they truly believe in. Don’t let the world make you bitter, even if you don’t want to be here anymore. Love somebody while you still are here because you know how it feels to go without.
I loved a good many people and showed it in so many ways by doing little things, by doing big things by why I felt in my HEART. Whilst I don’t expect to do so such things with a reward I nevertheless believe that I shouldn’t be mistreated or abused because of it…it takes away what good feelings I had in doing them in the first place.
God is whatever you want him/her/it to be.
which means he is fake, if I can change something to my liking so easily as it were merely an Idea then guess what? that is what it is, an Idea, a mental construct of made to comfort the oppressed and keep poor people from rioting in the streets
You completely missed the point.
Totally agree. A god should not be limited by a specific description.
Wha i meant to say is a god should not be defined, anything with a definition is limited. A god is limitless.
God is an ugly anachronism that people cling to the way an adult might hang onto a security blanket. I’ve seen videos of muslims hacking at people’s necks (as instructed in the Quran), with big knives until they severed their heads off, in broad daylight in the middle of the street. If that isn’t a blatant example or proof that there is no god, then I don’t know what is.
At least a god who supposedly loves or cares for us. Whenever people talk about god, it repulses me, like someone doing something disgusting in public-I can using examples by I’ll leave it to your imagination.
I realize for some people who are constrained by their mediocre intellect and narrow view of the world, it might be next to impossible to imagine or accept that there is no god…I see them as a hopeless cause. Others with an ounce of intelligence, really ought to know better.
The fact is that we only have ourselves and each other. Nazism wasn’t destroyed by god, but by people putting their lives on the line and sometimes dying for a greater cause. It will be the same for Islam-eventually people will have to unite to destroy this evil ideology as well. No amount of prayer will make a lick of difference…ask the Christian girls who were abducted by Boko Haram by the hundreds and sold into sexual slavery to their fellow muslim pedophiles. Or the Christians who were burned alive by muslims. Where is your god now? Only a handgun and brass balls are going to save you.
Thats right you took the words right out of my mouth. That is part of the reason I am so depressed because these people see the world falling apart and they are so tenacious with their religions that they won’t take their faces out of their holy books and open theirs eyes! Most Jamaican people are devout christians and yet we are the 3rd murder c apital of the world. Theist are such hypocrits and comepletely blinded by their belief. There is a church in my community with a glass mural of jesus and I looked at it and asked the pastor “If I worship this bearded white man will my life improve” and you can you guess what he said to me? These people’s minds are completely warped!
I think the trouble is not so much God as organised religion which is more about men, power and control.
Well said. Thats the reason why i stopped believing in religion and bullshit dogmas. Just stick to faith, live a good life, help as much people as you can along the way, cos at the end of the day we’ll all end up on the same place, the Earth.
Vegas?
the point I am trying to make is that these people are too far gone and no he did not say Vegas does Las Vegas have to do with anything
It’s a fact that there is no god. God does not exist and we know this because there is not only no evidence to suggest otherwise but the whole idea is so absurd that it’s inconceivable. In other words it’s beyond belief, impossible and the fact that there is no God is conclusive. So not only is there no trace of God in the universe but his/her/whatever’s existence would contradict everything we know and that’s no basis upon which we should live our lives. The reason why all of this seems real might actually be because the universe exists and we aren’t just imagining it all, living in a dream the only place that God can exist.
Can you prove there is no God?
We can draw common sense conclusions on the information we have so that we are sure. What more do people want?
As much as I generally agree with Kenny’s Ghost, that there is no god, I cannot completely agree with his statement that it is a proven “fact” – it is not (nor can it be) “proven”. even though, to me, the overwhelming suggestive evidence does not point to the existence of any deity much less one of the thousands of christian versions of the deity known as “god”.
That said, there is not “indisputable” evidence to make the claim “god does not exist” as “fact” … but then nor can we make the claim that unicorns, faeries or godzilla does not exist as “fact … yet I know of no one – theist, atheist or agnostic that would claim these things DO exist – yet there are movies, books, songs and poems that might suggest these things DO exist … just like there are “holy” books, songs and poems that suggest that god(s) exist. The evidence for god or godzilla are similar, yet one is considered complete fiction with the other has billions of fervent believers.
See, if I said “Godzilla is real and I worship him” the average theist would say I was completely bonkers and demand that I provide evidence and if I produced a novel and a movie they’d laugh in my face … yet effectively, that is the exact same “evidence” that the theist produces for their belief in their version of their “god”. Yet we non believers are told that is a high enough standard of evidence when it comes to their god. Well, quite frankly, it is not. But the theist refuses/rejects this challenge because they and their family have “believed” for generations so it MUST be true that god exists.
The burden for evidence is on the person making the extraordinary claim – if there is a claim of existence for a god, then the claimant must provide the proof – not the disbeliever. What’s more interesting, is the believer/theist, who has a deep belief/commitment to his/her particular god, will easily dismiss other god(s)/religions using the EXACT same logic that non-believers/atheists use to reject their god/religion. Yet they will not apply that same logic process to their god/belief.
It’s a hypocritical double standard but not altogether “willful” because most theists have been indoctrinated since birth in their particular tradition/belief that is difficult to uproot since much of their core foundational understanding of life is then built around that foundation … it’s a very daunting and scary proposition to have to consider that your very core belief is a myth so they defend it with whatever “logic” necessary to maintain their foundation … that and fear instilled since a very young age, can be a powerful motivator to maintain the status quo at any cost. They’ve come to depend on their beliefs being true – they NEED those beliefs to be true.
skeptic dawg
Well, when people say “It’s a fact” I kind of like having facts presented not so called common sense interpretations of a subject that are born out of an individual’s perspective.
Now you’re just being ridiculous. A fact is a truth based on our experiences and observations. Nobody here has seen God. Astronomers have looked into the furthest parts of the visible universe and they didn’t see anything. It is a fact that everything in the Universe is governed by the laws of physics and this is based on our observations. Unfortunately all the evidence we have (i.e everything we know) not only suggests there is no God but actually contradicts the idea. So yes, it’s safe to say it’s a fact that God does not exist.
You’re right a fact is a TRUTH and you have only presented an assumption. Nice try though I give you points for effort but considering we don’t even know everything there is to know about energy in the universe or even our own DNA I’m not going to be easily convinced by “safe to assume”
There is no God.
I did not read all the comments but something i hate is when people talk about god and say “him” now to clarify I’m male and not religious at all but when people go on and on about god and “he” is the perfect being and “he” is all knowing and wise and “he” deserves our worship and all that bullshit, for starters if this “god” this all powerful “deity” did exist i doubt it would be male, I strongly doubt it would have any gender at all since both males and females are clearly not perfect, further more if “god” does know everything then this implies it lacks curiosity and imagination which in turn would make it the saddest dullest thing in the universe not capable of thinking and creating something as intricate and diverse as the universe, and if “god” did exist why does it want our worship? in my opinion a “god” worth worshiping would not want it and a “god” who demands worship does not deserve it and is no god at all but a sad self absorbed creature.
There are many more reasons for why i do not believe in a god but that could take hours perhaps days, anyways good day everyone.
You make two good points there Reeferfool. I have used the word Him or He in reference to God only because that what ‘its’ referred to in holy texts. Yet, if God is real, it may not even be a being of any kind or one that we can wrap our heads around…maybe it’s just a feeling within rather than some bearded man in the clouds. I’m agnostic yet I do find that sometimes, like when my mum was dying, some deeply spiritual things happening and before you say yes that was because your mum was dying and I had deep feelings, these feelings also had external physical manifestations that were really quite ‘spooky’. I agree also that, well the God i feel, shouldn’t need to be worshipped as such but rather just believed.
I believe there’s a Supreme Being who created us. Actually deep inside I know it but of course there’s no way to prove it and the questions the OP offers are as good reasons as any not to believe in God. I understand where atheists are coming from. The thing is some things can’t be proven using a scientific method. Like science can’t prove Intuition is real but I use it all the time.
I don’t agree with the poster who said God doesn’t exist because you can’t see him in the visible Universe. You can’t see ultraviolet rays either but if you sit in the sun long enough they’ll give you cancer. The same poster also said a fact is a truth based on our experiences and observations, which goes back to my point that some things can’t be proven using a scientific method. If I’m following a certain Spiritual path and it keeps producing certain results in my life then that’s all the proof I need. My ‘proof’ is repeatedly showing up in my day to day experience.
If I wait for a double blind placebo study to issue a clinical trial paper to validate what I know inside of me I might be dead by the time that trial takes place and I have too much to do to wait around for science to catch up with me. Besides if I know something is real why do I need a paper issued to prove it to me. Also I could be completely wrong about the conclusions I’ve drawn and all the good things that are happening could just be coincidences. If that’s the case I’ll continue to live in a world of coincidences because it’s working for me.
I disagree with your point on “intuition” … we humans are basically an organic computer that stores all sensory input – sights, sounds, smells, tastes and all manner of experiences. We’ve also had a multitude of learning experiences through our own situations and the observations of others’ situations – we read books and view pictures and are taught what others know every minute of every day. All this data is stored within us … so when a situation arises that requires us to make an assessment, our brain accesses all this collective data to give us a “feeling” on what might be the likely prediction of what may happen next and how we should act/respond to that pending situation.
Our very survival has depended on the ability to interpret what we are “sensing” and formulating a response/reaction where milliseconds could mean the difference between life and death. there is no time to consciously analyse every possible aspect of the data in depth and detail to weigh our next move – this come to be seen as “intuition” the ability to assess and predict and eventually react in a means to enhance our chances for survivability.
There’s nothing mystical or supernatural about it – it a keen ability that those who have honed have survived to pass on through our evolution. Those that did not “learn” this ability to “short cut” the analysis were less likely to survive to propagate.
Additionally, I’d contend that your choice to follow a “spiritual” path gives you a confidence to excel and take chances you might not otherwise take thus producing better net results and opportunities. I contend this only proves you have always had the ability to excel and it really does nothing to “prove” any spiritual or supernatural influence on this world – all the same, good for you that you’ve found a way that benefits you 🙂
intuitive dawg
Of course, I forgot God is real but he is invisible so we can’t see him even when we are wearing glasses. There are some very very dangerous people on this site.
Well said. I agree 100%
I have never believed in a God. I have tried keeping an open mind. I have read books on religion including bibles, have attended church, watched documentaries, spoke at length to people who believe about why they do, and nothing ever made me think there might be a God. However, I kind of envy the believers that think they will get to see their loved ones again after death. I don’t believe that but I wish I did cause it would bring me comfort.
@ Dawg you keep saying this. If it’s not a fact then what is? What is a fact?
THe statement “there is no god” is a challenge to those that assert the positive “there IS a god”. You and I can no more definitively “prove” there are no unicorns or godzilla monsters as we can “prove” there is no god …
To you and I, if there is no convincing evidence for the positive existence of something – in this case “god – then the statement “there is no god” is fact. You and I are satisfied at this point that the evidence is woefully inadequate, if not completely absent. But we have not searched every planet circling every star of every galaxy in every universe/multiverse to be able to “prove” our statement … i guess the fact that a god might be some far flung place is reason for theists to assert their god can and does exist. To them, they have irrefutable evidence for their god (which you and i clearly reject).
The problem seems to be in the definition of “evidence” … you and I hold a very high and strict standard whereas an “unexplained feeling” in the heart/mind of the theist is acceptable in conjunction with their “holy” scripture.
Beside, all scientific claims are provisional – they are accepted as fact based on the current collection of evidence, knowledge and observation to date and all predictions based on those facts bolster the current scientific facts because the predictions are accurate … but at any time we could learn or observe something that breaks the scientific laws/facts that will cause us to adjust what we know. Conversely, theocratic “fact” is all about reading the book and coming up with an “reasonable” explanation on how god made it so and even “said so” in the scripture – they make the observable world meet the conditions of their book/scripture … it “works” for them, but is an abject absurdity to us. Until the theists are ready and willing to adopt the same definition of evidence as us, they will never “see” their scriptures and by extension, their god, for what it is – early historical man’s attempt to explain the unexplainable. It was useful for it’s time to put forth a hypothesis but we’ve long since disproven many aspects of of these original assertions attributed to deities … so while this does not definitively disprove the existence of any deities it sure does make the existence of these deities astronomically remote AT BEST.
reality dawg
Religion is a scam. Faith is a choice. But never place your faith in religion. A religion is ran by man, man destroyed our world. God is a god, if he exists we can never know, if he doesn’t exist, we can still never know. There are just things man can’t comprehend and we need to accept this.
Perhaps Humans themselves are a God? Ponder that a little bit 😉
the ones with alot of either money or power or both probably think they are
Kenny’s Ghost a claim that something is fact. He/she can not prove this is fact but insists it is fact. But it’s other people that are dangerous?
Kenny’s Ghost is no different to religious fanatics that tell you their god is real. 🙂
I would disagree that Kenny’s Ghost’s assertion is equally “as dangerous” and his position that “there is no god” as fact while rhetorically similar to that of the religious fanatic stating “there IS a god” as fact – for all practical purposes, kenny’s position is benign while the religions fanatic is dangerous as all hell.
What does disagreeing with Kenny entail? he might harm your feelings by calling you ignorant but then you’d likely just ignore him as an arrogant blowhard – thus ending the “conflict”
Disagree with the religious fanatic has the potential to get you killed, beaten, tortured along with your family and friends. Even in the USA, to disagree with a community of fundamentals can get you shunned and outcast causing mental and financial hardships – these are REAL consequences – and they are horrific – done in “the name of god”
stating there “is no god” comes with no ideology, dogma or world view and/or practical consequences. It has all the same consequences of claiming that Pluto is a planet 😛
@anunaki – i agree with your general point that the non-existence of god cannot be “proven” … but the hyperbole of equating the two positions is errant and dissimilar in any practical or rhetorical sense 😉
referee dawg
God is just as real as Santa Claus.
If you believe that Santa Claus is real, then he IS real in your imagination. Is he real outside of your imagination?
Hmm. That’s a good question.
ERM.. Of course Santa’s real outside of my imagination? What are you trying to say?
Watch the video i posted yesterday or find it on youtube : ” Purpose of life / Scopul vietii “. You’ll get your answers.