Here’s the thing:
I’m not actually afraid of death.
I’m afraid of what comes after. Like where our souls go.
Now if i knew exactly what happened after we died, then I go and jump right in front of a car right this second.
I’d do anything to not exist if I knew.
Here’s the other thing:
If death was sort of like a test run life if I could kill myself and see how everyone would react and see what would happen and then decided whether I actually want to die or not (and if I didn’t want to die I’d wake up in a hospital bed or whatever) I would.
If I could just see what dying would be like and see how the ones around me would act and then decide whether to continue to end my life or choose to take a 2nd go at life it’d be nice. It would end some of my curiosity.
Conclusion:
Maybe that does happen when you’re in between life and death. Maybe you get to experience these things. Maybe we’ll find out one day.
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I don’t believe there’s an after life anymore than I believe in ghosts, both are founded on superstition and lacking vital empirical evidence. There’s an interesting episode of “down the worm hole” I believe (I think it’s the 2nd episode of the 2nd season but i’m not sure) which explores the idea of an afterlife and professionals like surgeons and psychologists give their opinions on it. it was very thought provoking (but inconclusive of course) you might want to look into it. it’s narrated by Morgan freeman as well
nope it’s episode 1 of season 2 my bad and it’s called “through the worm hole”
When I was a christian I was thinking that after life is a heaven and a hell. Well, after all the shit I’ve been through I realised that God is in the neurons and everything happens in the brain. I don’t want to open a door or something for you..but after death is an entire void of nothingness..like a dreamless sleep that will last for eternity.
Well nobody really knows for sure. Let’s be honest here.
Funny, after everything *I’ve* been through, I realized that the brain is an apparatus for drawing consciousness (and God) in, rather than creating it. Much happens outside the brain.
Nonexistence might be a possibility, but it is by no means the only one.
Did I write *I’ve* incorrectly?
No he’s highlighting that it’s his *own* experience.
Once consciousness is being shut down, you won’t even realise that you are dead. Makes a lot of sense to me. By the way, good luck with alice :>
Well. You do have a spirit/soul too though. So you’d be surprised.
And Thx. Guna need it : P
Hunny boo? what is that suppose to mean? 🙁
It means… Sigh… Cuppy cake is trying to make Alice happy. Christ. Already speaking in 3rd person.
😀 cuppy cake does a good job
Our brain is the spirit unfortunately.
mental, physical and emotional harmony are mistaken as spiritual states, but there is nothing that transcends the physical body let alone something that would either manifest as a new entity or amalgamate into the world as spiritual energy
Well you and I differ on that obviously. Once you experience something your paradigm will change. It is what it is.
I’ve experienced perpetual adversity and mental dilapidation, if a soul really did exist it’s useless, what’s the point in living beyond life if you’ve suffered immensely in your previous one? Obviously it can’t be utilized so what’s the point in it existing if it did?
Let me clarify — something spiritual. I know you’ve been through your pain. Not discounting that. I mean honestly, why does it exist if it can’t really be used? Why did I go and still burn with rage that I’m spiritually sensitive? Why why why?? Why all the pain? Who fuckin’ knows. All I know is shit I’ve seen and felt. I don’t have other answers than knowing that I have a soul. It’s fuct. But once you feel it. Nutzo.
Also, if you tap into your soul stendaar it can open up another dimension of life. Have I seen any real practical uses of that yet or ever in my life? Not really which infuriates me. But I’ve encountered some rad shit. Which has forever changed my view on life and the unseen.
Alice doesnt believe anyone can reach any plateau of consciousness beyond the physical form, alice knows people may argue back with *dream worlds* but alice knows those dream worlds are still being centered by the physical shell. Alice would hope if there was a “living beyond this life* that the second life would be one of grander happier nature. Alice often finds it amusing to picture life as different levels of a video game, Alice imagines if this was the case each level was a test to see where you went next. alice assumes the only argument that collaborates with the soul theory is that people have not been able to figure out where exactly the mind is, or where consciousness has manifested its self from. Alice likes to assume that the mind is comprised of several different things at once. But really if there was an after life alice is certain that we would have found one hundred percent fact to this, because we have not alice refuses to beleive it. And also any paradigm affect, or other worldly adventure is a by product of the subconscious elaborately trying to give you what you yearn for, ever notic how you can find peace after these episodes, its because you have trick yourself. or everyone would not experience the same feelings afterwords
Life has no meaning. Stendarr is right..
Alice does not wish to be cliche, but alice knows life has a meaning, the meaning of life is to give life a meaning
And Alice is right too.
Meaning of life eh? We are all going to die and rot into the ground. Nice meaning..I just can’t do nothing..it destroyed me after all my years of christianity,I realising that everything was in my head. I lived a lie. I am tired of insomnia, panic attacks and not being able to be normal..I was the best kind guy this earth had..but I was “fucked” by the world because I was kind. I wanted to kill myself because at maturity I became a monster, mean and bad thinking about taking revenge on the people that hurt me and stuff. But I was like neah , neah, it is not god’s way. Well this god dosen’t exist..we are just..products of evolution.
Exactly. Spirituality is bullshit.
You are 100 percent right.
Well to sum it all up. I’ve experienced shit. I know it to be true. For me. You’ve experienced your own shit. Simple as that.
I’ve experienced spiritual shit like voices in the past telling me of certain things predictions that came true. One voice said don’t fly back Thursday a volcanic eruption happened Thursday and would of disrupted my flight. Weirdest thing ever I looked at an ornament elephant then a voice said earthquake. Elephants represent Thailand so on Facebook I put earthquake in Thailand coming up. Two days later what do you know a big earthquake there. Also I woke up one night with a massive spirit ball going across the room that said chase. 5mins later a car chase. I’ve experienced more spiritual shit than anyone here. I swear.
I don’t know about that. I’ve seen some fuct shit. At one point I was feeling Angels on a daily basis. Lots of crazy cool shit. Pissed me off though cause it didn’t help in any real way to get me outta my shit. I was looking for an insta fix. Using spirituality as a way out. It’s not. It’s just another dimension of life.
Finding God actually made things worse for me in the short-term (still unfolding). Suddenly I had to accept that there were actual objective ethical standards I was expected to live up to, and just drifting through life wasn’t going to cut it. I responded badly (basically telling God, “wha’eva, I do what I want!” when He was just looking out for me), and of course He let me walk off the cliff to show me that He would warn me but not catch me.
So I’m wiser now – maybe – but still trying to climb back up the cliff. With God’s help, still, but it’s much harder now.
LSD is for me:-) that’s a trippy topic!!!
People like to believe in non-existence after death, because it makes life an ethical free lunch. But don’t think that non-existence is better (or worse) than life; it can’t be compared, since it can’t be comprehended. (People conflate non-existence with some sort of sleep, which is false; there is always awareness in sleep, of sorts.)
Since non-existence is a non-issue, you have to play the odds. If there’s an afterlife, the chances are it’s unpleasant for suicides, worse than life and probably longer. For non-suicides, well, I can’t say that it’s going to be better than life, but it’s probably better than the suicidal afterlife (and again, probably longer than life).
Even if you just reincarnate, post-suicide incarnations are probably worse than non-post-suicide incarnations.
Seriously, it’s probably better to stick around. Even if it makes you feel helpless and resentful.
If you can fight the pain. I encourage sticking around. Adamantly.
Any afterlife will be unpleasant since it will involve continuing to live. Besides, this Pascal’s Wager bullshit only works if you assume a very particular set of norms. You’re assuming that Christian norms apply (and even these aren’t inherent to Chrisrianity, which didn’t start condemning the suicide of Judas, for example, until St. Augustine argued that there was a blanket ban on suicide using reasoning that was neo-Platonist in inspiration), but what if pagan Norse norms apply instead? To them, the least respectable form of death was a peaceful death from natural causes. While suicides weren’t first in Valhalla (those who died in battle were), the suicides at least got in the door thanks to dying by violence.
The fact is that there’s simply no reason to listen to a system that exists as a mechanism of social control unless you want to be controlled. It will provide you with just enough of a slender rationale for not killing yourself if that’s genuinely what you want, but it won’t do anything to dissuade someone who sincerely wants to end their life.
Nullifidian: I specifically made my post non-Christian. Note the part about reincarnation, for example. I agree that Pascal’s Wager, as posited, is full of holes.
These are based on my own beliefs (which are partly based on my own experiences), namely that everything we do gets repaid – if not in this life, then sometime after – and that suicide causes much pain. Therefore, killing oneself can only be expected to cause one pain in the afterlife.
The “social control” is irrelevant. Either you believe life is an ethical free lunch, or you believe it’s ethically bounded. If you kill yourself due to a belief in the former, you sure as hell better be right.
PS. you’re not going to scare me away with Augustine or Neoplatonism. I <3 Plotinus.
Also, I just noticed this:
“Any afterlife will be unpleasant since it will involve continuing to live.”
Only if you deny the possibility of replenishment. That would be absurd; people find numerous ways to replenish themselves in life, and I have no reason to believe the afterlife would be any different. In fact, it may be easier, if you think, for example, that the existence of an afterlife suggests a powerful Being (or Beings) of good who can help.
No, you didn’t make your post non-Christian. Assuming you did because you didn’t reference Christianity explicitly is not the same as shedding all assumptions rooted in Christianity. You’re assuming that suicide is a taboo that will be punished in the afterlife. These are assumptions that you’ve picked up from your Christian background; they are not cultural universals, as my mention of pagan Norse beliefs indicates (I could have also referenced the acceptability of suicide by starvation in Jainism and Hinduism).
How can you possibly claim to have personal experience of everything we do being repaid in the afterlife if it’s not repaid in life? Do you have personal experience of the afterlife, and, if so, how did you come by this?
Nor does believing that “life is an ethical free lunch” have anything at all to do with anything I’ve said. I could be a moral realist without believing that suicide is wrong, or without believing that any of our earthly actions will be punished after death. This is you yet again assuming that your views about suicide and about the afterlife are normative for everybody.
And I wasn’t trying to “scare [you] away” by mentioning that St. Augustine was the main figure behind the Christian ban on suicide, and that his reasoning was neo-Platonist, but simply yet again indicating that this view is based on assumptions that are not universal. I really don’t care what you think of Plotinus.
Finally, I have no problem “deny[ing] the possibility of replenishment” for at least some people. First, I don’t believe in an afterlife, second, there’s not much “replenishment” in this life for those with so-called “mental illnesses” that don’t respond to treatment and therapy, and, third, there’s no reason to assume any sort of good “Being” exists even if there is an afterlife. Assuming these beings exist, they are either perfectly happy to see people suffer or don’t care at best, or they are incapable of providing aid, so there’s no reason to assume they’d do any better in the afterlife. Given the facts of the world, the inference that we’re ruled by something like Lovecraft’s Elder Gods who are indifferent or malicious is at least as likely as the comforting bromides of mainstream religion.
@costy Pain changes us man. I know you’re pain.
I don’t even know you but I have huge respect for you. I used to think that I am a warrior , a warrior of God and all the shit that I was carrying was because He gaves the hardest battles and stuff to His toughest warriors. Imagine the emotional shock I had when I realised that He dosen’t exist and all my experiences and stuff were only in my brain. I don’t know how much I can stick around..insomnia..depression..I have failed, but you guys not 🙂
Hey man, you still have so much potential. Don’t you ever fuckin give up on me bud. You’re huge.
Yes, but once that you’ve put a thought in your mind..is hard to get it away.
Trust me I know. It doesn’t have to be away. As long as you don’t go away and make it thru one more day.
Take care man 🙂
Kill switch all the spiritual stuff that happened to me didn’t help me out either. Its a sad story lol
Haha Ya man. We just seen shit. Any lasting positive change other than a paradigm shift? I’ve yet to see. Lots of frustration though!
Bi-product of pretty much a spiritual awakening now I’m stuck with schizophrenia so I should just jump into a lake and drown lol. But its made me a believer of the other world or afterlife.
I’m pretty convinced that schizophrenia – at least some of it – is a side-effect of being aware of both worlds at once, and not being able to handle it. It stresses the mind, and can put tears in it.
Were there drugs involved for you?
Blub that’s what I’ve heard many people say and its probably true. Yes I smoked pot from 17-20 hard out then I gave up. But then when I was having an awakening and began hearing these voices its like fuck everything was real and right. And then I smoked crystal meth binged on it for a day or two then when I finally came home a demon said out loud I fucked your mother. And I thought I was nearly dying scariest night of my life. Then it all calmed down. I managed to study for a while do really good but everything was alive at night before I sleep I see shadows lights blue flashes and sometimes demons or beings talking to me. So I think the crystal method invoked a demon into my life, which is possibly true.
Yeah, some of that is familiar. I do believe that certain actions give certain beings a claim on your soul, and it’s really hard to shake them once that happens. They have ways of comforting you.
Do you pray? I will for you, regardless. 🙂
Crystal method* not method
Meth*
These beings also did rituals on me that I felt not sure if you’ve heard of kundalini but this is real shit.
Yeah, I know about kundalini. I just think of it as another way to the Light, though I haven’t experienced it personally.
Thanks for the feedback guys haha. It has been very interesting to read and it’s taught me somethings. 🙂