I used to think I was going to Burn in Hell for things I did in my early life. > but then I read the story about Jesus in the Bible and I truly believe he can save me. I believe Jesus can save our souls.
Im really sorry to hear that you have been having it so hard recently. Man it seems like a LOT of us here at SP are having a Hard time right now.
Well I hope things get better for you. I hope things get better for all of Us!!!
I believe He can, too. But I also believe in Lordship salvation. Meaning: I believe that faith without obedience is not saving faith. I can’t just say “I believe” and expect to be covered. The demons in Hell believe, too. And they’re still condemned.
Yeah, a lot of us are kinda down at once…kind of like how women’s menstrual cycles allegedly synchronize when they’re living in close proximity. Maybe all of our suicidal cycles have synchronized.
Anyway, I love your optimism Phantom. Always refreshing. And I’m not being sarcastic. I mean it.
I have very little hope for any of us right now…but I appreciate that you do.
After reading this, I’m just going to say, you overthink a lot.. I wish i could hug you for days.
Can you imagine that you were someone else, looking at yourself from their point of view? Would you still think the same about this Kat girl? Or would you begin hating this new person that you are?
I don’t think that I overthink things. I think that everyone else under-thinks things.
If I were someone else, looking at Kat Fishe from the observer’s point of view, I wouldn’t hate her. But that’s because I’d never get to see inside her. I’d never get to really know her.
I don’t usually believe in the idea of thoughtcrime, but the thoughts running around in my head are enough of a reason to punish me. Or kill me. Or both. It’s bad enough that I think them. Sometimes I also act on them. And it seems I act on them more and more lately.
Not going to try to talk you out of this one (again.) I could say that your religious belief has really done a number on you, if you find yourself in the position that you’re sure you’re going to hell, and there’s nothing you can do to change that – no redemption, salvation etc. In other words, you were created just so you could go directly to hell. Which doesn’t seem like a very benevolent system.
But hey, I often fear the same for myself. I just lack your conviction. So in the spirit of solidarity, all I’ll say is that I’ll see you there (hopefully not for a long time yet.) Until then, may as well focus on living as well as we can – dial down the heat a little. Think of all the people you could help before then. I mean that’s logical, right? If we have self-control, and are ‘truly deserving’ of hell, then we can choose not to hurt anyone (or ourselves.) We can choose to try to help people. And we may as well, while we’re here. However meaningless it may seem when set against an eternity of torment, it’s still worth living.
The system isn’t malevolent. I am. The system is more than fair. Very lenient, even.
I could be saved from Hell, if only I obeyed. Or at least tried to. But I don’t. And I often don’t even want to. You probably wouldn’t understand. And I mean that in the nicest of ways. I don’t even understand all that well.
I want to do good for the world, and help others before I die, but I don’t think I can. Perhaps you’re right, though. Maybe I could. Just maybe.
So you could be saved from hell. If you wanted to be. But you don’t want to be?
Question: can you want to be saved? Do you have the ability to want to be saved? And if not, in what sense can you actually be saved? If the system saves those who want to be saved, but then creates those who can’t want to be saved, how is that fair?
Shit, sorry, I said I wasn’t going to try and talk you out of it. Must…resist…urge…to…argue…philosophy…
Maybe wanting to do good and help is enough, in itself, to make life worthwhile. We get some points for good intentions, right?
Anyway, no, you’re confused. I could be saved from Hell if I wanted to be, and I DO indeed want to be saved from Hell. But I’m too indolent to put forth the effort associated. And I don’t know why. It’s like an addiction, almost. Being a fucking monster is like an addiction to me. I know that I could break free of it if I tried hard enough. But I’m lazy. I don’t try nearly hard enough. Part of me feels like I shouldn’t have to. Nobody else has to. Well, not NObody else. But the overwhelming majority don’t have to. So why should I?
I’m probably not even describing this accurately. I don’t know anymore.
And yes, as far as I can tell, we do get points for good intentions.
So you could be saved from hell if you put in the effort. But you don’t want to put in the effort. So could you want to put in that effort? Is that an ability you possess?
If not, how is that fair? Where did this inability to want to put in the effort to be saved from eternal damnation come from?
Did you choose to become someone who wouldn’t want to put in that effort? Meaning you previously did want to put in that effort, and then decided while still in that state to change, out of nowhere. Why would anyone do that?
What I’m trying to get at (in my garbled way) is that motivation precedes choice. We do not choose our motivation. We are motivated, and then choose how to act. We do not choose to be lazy, from a state of non-laziness. We feel lazy, and then choose to act accordingly. We do not choose to want something. We want something, then choose to act. Our motivations arise from the system we are part of – they do not spring from nowhere.
You’re right though, I am confused. Just generally, in life.
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I used to think I was going to Burn in Hell for things I did in my early life. > but then I read the story about Jesus in the Bible and I truly believe he can save me. I believe Jesus can save our souls.
Im really sorry to hear that you have been having it so hard recently. Man it seems like a LOT of us here at SP are having a Hard time right now.
Well I hope things get better for you. I hope things get better for all of Us!!!
I believe He can, too. But I also believe in Lordship salvation. Meaning: I believe that faith without obedience is not saving faith. I can’t just say “I believe” and expect to be covered. The demons in Hell believe, too. And they’re still condemned.
Yeah, a lot of us are kinda down at once…kind of like how women’s menstrual cycles allegedly synchronize when they’re living in close proximity. Maybe all of our suicidal cycles have synchronized.
Anyway, I love your optimism Phantom. Always refreshing. And I’m not being sarcastic. I mean it.
I have very little hope for any of us right now…but I appreciate that you do.
Synchronized suicide cycles- now theres a thought
Hear that scientists? Research that shit!
YES!! Could be a kind of pattern a majority of people follow, idk. They gotta look into this shit
Maybe. Seasonal Depression has already been confirmed, I think.
After reading this, I’m just going to say, you overthink a lot.. I wish i could hug you for days.
Can you imagine that you were someone else, looking at yourself from their point of view? Would you still think the same about this Kat girl? Or would you begin hating this new person that you are?
I don’t think that I overthink things. I think that everyone else under-thinks things.
If I were someone else, looking at Kat Fishe from the observer’s point of view, I wouldn’t hate her. But that’s because I’d never get to see inside her. I’d never get to really know her.
what if everyones like that? What if everyone has a really dark place on the inside of them?
I know I do.
It’s a deep dark black pit, full of ugliness and charred bits of ancient things.
I go there often enough that the seat cushion has my permanent butt-print in it.
Whatever yours is, mine is worse.
I don’t usually believe in the idea of thoughtcrime, but the thoughts running around in my head are enough of a reason to punish me. Or kill me. Or both. It’s bad enough that I think them. Sometimes I also act on them. And it seems I act on them more and more lately.
Not going to try to talk you out of this one (again.) I could say that your religious belief has really done a number on you, if you find yourself in the position that you’re sure you’re going to hell, and there’s nothing you can do to change that – no redemption, salvation etc. In other words, you were created just so you could go directly to hell. Which doesn’t seem like a very benevolent system.
But hey, I often fear the same for myself. I just lack your conviction. So in the spirit of solidarity, all I’ll say is that I’ll see you there (hopefully not for a long time yet.) Until then, may as well focus on living as well as we can – dial down the heat a little. Think of all the people you could help before then. I mean that’s logical, right? If we have self-control, and are ‘truly deserving’ of hell, then we can choose not to hurt anyone (or ourselves.) We can choose to try to help people. And we may as well, while we’re here. However meaningless it may seem when set against an eternity of torment, it’s still worth living.
The system isn’t malevolent. I am. The system is more than fair. Very lenient, even.
I could be saved from Hell, if only I obeyed. Or at least tried to. But I don’t. And I often don’t even want to. You probably wouldn’t understand. And I mean that in the nicest of ways. I don’t even understand all that well.
I want to do good for the world, and help others before I die, but I don’t think I can. Perhaps you’re right, though. Maybe I could. Just maybe.
So you could be saved from hell. If you wanted to be. But you don’t want to be?
Question: can you want to be saved? Do you have the ability to want to be saved? And if not, in what sense can you actually be saved? If the system saves those who want to be saved, but then creates those who can’t want to be saved, how is that fair?
Shit, sorry, I said I wasn’t going to try and talk you out of it. Must…resist…urge…to…argue…philosophy…
Maybe wanting to do good and help is enough, in itself, to make life worthwhile. We get some points for good intentions, right?
It’s okay. I already took the bait, so…
Anyway, no, you’re confused. I could be saved from Hell if I wanted to be, and I DO indeed want to be saved from Hell. But I’m too indolent to put forth the effort associated. And I don’t know why. It’s like an addiction, almost. Being a fucking monster is like an addiction to me. I know that I could break free of it if I tried hard enough. But I’m lazy. I don’t try nearly hard enough. Part of me feels like I shouldn’t have to. Nobody else has to. Well, not NObody else. But the overwhelming majority don’t have to. So why should I?
I’m probably not even describing this accurately. I don’t know anymore.
And yes, as far as I can tell, we do get points for good intentions.
So you could be saved from hell if you put in the effort. But you don’t want to put in the effort. So could you want to put in that effort? Is that an ability you possess?
If not, how is that fair? Where did this inability to want to put in the effort to be saved from eternal damnation come from?
Did you choose to become someone who wouldn’t want to put in that effort? Meaning you previously did want to put in that effort, and then decided while still in that state to change, out of nowhere. Why would anyone do that?
What I’m trying to get at (in my garbled way) is that motivation precedes choice. We do not choose our motivation. We are motivated, and then choose how to act. We do not choose to be lazy, from a state of non-laziness. We feel lazy, and then choose to act accordingly. We do not choose to want something. We want something, then choose to act. Our motivations arise from the system we are part of – they do not spring from nowhere.
You’re right though, I am confused. Just generally, in life.