Hey friend how’s it going what I personally think about it is that it’s a great solution to have if there’s a No Way Out situation like think about it what if we were all in imortal? can you imagine how we would have to learn hardcore to deal with our problems I just personally believe some people just don’t belong here and I’m really talking about myself.
my opinion on it is God bless that it’s around because if this option wasn’t available I have no idea what I’d be doing I probably just make myself a vegetable so no one bothers me
My personal experience, my life is that I believe I live in like a prison existence and if I were to commit suicide I would end up in a similar place in the afterlife
The thought of being conscious throughout “nothingness” scares the crap outta me.
62% of why I haven’t died so far. The idiotic thought of succeeding and being “awake” while dead scares me.
There is no way you can be conscious while dead… When your in deep sleep, there are no dreams, just the cessation of your mind for a bit. That’s how death is. You experience life because of this vessel, called your body, when it dies, your consciousness as a particular human being is gone.
Before you awoke, at birth, who or what were you? What did you experience?
Nothing… It’ll be the same after everyone dies.
I think the fact that I was brought up within a family of spiritualists/mediums makes the fear worse than it actually is. Too bad my mind can’t just realise there isn’t anything to be afraid of. No conscious death, etc.
And to answer the question.
The continuation of life, or the act of ending ones life is a choice that every human being has. It is not morbid, at all. We didn’t ask to be born and we are all going to die in a few seasons anyways. And, If our struggles are more then we can handle then its okay to end our time here on this spinning rock.
I believe that we are the universe becoming aware of itself. Growing through experiences, life by life. But sometimes, this game can’t quell our innate longing for happiness.. so instead of experiencing hardships as a conscious being, I feel like for me suicide is the better option.
If all of humanity thought like this, there would be no society, it would be chaotic. So i dont think this mindset is for everyone
I have a lot to say here
specially in reply to Cecilia
& I will do my best to come back here in a day or two max
but the one point I wish to adress right now is that
sadly, Cecilia,
I don’t think it’s as you say,
about not being concious when you’re dead…
I never ever told this to anyone before
cause I know it will make everyone I know extra concerned for me in some way
but since I think this won’t happen here
& for the sake of giving you guys a heads up
I’m gonna say it…
I think I died before
probably for less than a minute
but I was dead
it was OVER
I’m gonna skip the circumstances & what happened
& I’ll just get to that point where it was done for me
I was not breathing
I’m 100% sure I heard my heart stop
everything went completely completely dark
ears went deaf
& even the capability of imagination was lost
nothing was working except one thing “existing”
I was still there
the “I”/”me” inside that body
was still there
& I was concious of every single thing happening
I couldn’t see or hear
but somehow I was “aware” of the people around me
& what they were doing
& of the fact that
indeed
right now
I’m dead
& I can tell you
it’s not a nice feeling
so so many regrets you get at that moment
& you wish more than anything in the whole entire world
that you get another chance
I don’t know if I should say more
I think I already either freaked the hell out of you guys
or made you more depressed than you already are 🙁
which I swear was not & would never ever be my intention
I just wanted to state this
because it’s something that I’ve personally gone through
& it would really break my heart to imagine
that any of you guys here
[or pretty much anyone]
would go through with that step
thinking there would be nothing to worry about
only to find themselves in that position I was in
I wish it on nobody
ever
it’s gonna happen anyways
& I know it’s gonna happen again to me, when the time comes
but I pray & hope that each & everyone of us
would be as ready as they can be when that moment comes
I’m so so sorry guys if this brought you down
those who know me, even for a bit, know I never try to hurt or scare
but having gone through this makes me feel “responsible”
to tell it to those who don’t know & haven’t gone through it
Cecilia & darkest
please forgive my delayed responses to you guys
so much happening the past weeks
but I should be getting done with some big steps this week & so I’ll have more time to talk very soon
I would like to believe Cecilia but It scares me too. It is most of the reason I am still here. Waking up thinking “oh no” everyday is bad enough. Waking up to some infinite death is just terrifying.
The scariest part about death is that nobody knows what it is like, and those that do hardly ever survive to tell the tale (specifically those that die and couldn’t be resuscitated).
Thats what I was thinking.. I love Farah, but I have to disagree, complete death is silence. No Ego, which is the person you built up since birth, who people told you, you were, who you think you are and how you feel about yourself. We use this persona so we can navigate though life easier, but it isn’t who we really are.
How about a human baby that dies days after birth? They don’t experience an afterlife of spirit built upon a person with certain traits. They didnt have enough time to build this.
I honestly don’t get why people are agnostic about the afterlife in our day and age. OF COURSE THERE IS NO AFTERLIFE. How could there be? Your nervous system, which gives rise to consciousness, is dead! Your “spirit” does not magically escape your body. That makes as much sense as saying the car you totalled lives on, because you salvaged some gas from the tank. In fact, it makes less sense. What, you think ants have spirits? Ants have am afterlife? Or buffaloes? Or sardines? Or Venus fly traps? Give me a break. And no, your body composting does not mean your spirit lives on. It means the matter your body was made of is converted. You shed dead skin all the time, nothing profound about it. It’s not reincarnation. So tired of BS. 21st century, folks. 21st century.
Even without the caps that’s an ignorant statement. For the record, I am an atheist and I have a masters degree in physics. And as much as I doubt the existence of an afterlife, or God for that matter, I am not so narrow minded as to tell others THERE IS NO AFTERLIFE, NO GOD. Science is in its infancy, so to draw conclusions that consciousness is merely a “central nervous system” is as narrow minded as it gets, like when doctors thought depression was caused by “pressure on the central nervous system” so the drilled holes in people’s brains. Please, your 11th century fanaticism is making us look bad so chill out.
point number [1]
Cecilia, I Loveeeee you toooooooooo 🙂 <3 & no problem at all that we disagree on something <3
point number [2]
guys guys please calm down
okay <3
it's alright
it's a controversial issue
actually, if there was a list of controversial issues
[I'm sure there is somewhere 😀 ]
these topics of God, soul, consciousness, death, after-life would all be on the very top of the list
so it's okay
we can disagree
but let's not turn this into a boxing ring 🙁
okay
muspelhem & Deadwood
I respect both your opinions & views
& I have a lot to say in reply
but for now I ask you all
"can any living person in the whole universe be 100% sure ?"
i don’t really believe in an afterlife. i second cecilia, really. i do believe in a soul and that souls “travel” somehow, but i don’t believe we live on to a different world. no.
Regards to an afterlife, this sounds like a copout but I’ll explain in a second: “We cannot know.”
On both sides of the debate there are people who are fanatically convinced they are right, but all their reasoning is circumstantial. In other words, indirect, deduced or conjectural. As in a court of law, circumstantial evidence is flimsy. Without a dead body you can’t prove someone was murdered. And so all these philosophical and spiritual theories about an afterlife are just that, theories.
That being said, I am from the “scientific” camp and you would think that means I reject the idea of anything that has no proof. Ignorant scientists may do that, but true science/truth dictates that we neither embrace nor reject a proposal until there is factual evidence to make a conclusion. The problem with proving/disproving spiritual matters is that they aren’t defined so we are unable to investigate.
If, instead of “afterlife”, we are talking about the existence of a new planet, defined as an object with mass in orbit around the sun, then we can go about investigating gravitational fields and other real world indicators to find it even if we cannot see it. Even something as intangible as an afterlife can be investigated if someone would define exactly what it is. But so far the definitions are too vague and conflicting among faiths to start the search. So back to the analogy of the dead body, if someone comes to the police station reporting a murder, the police aren’t allowed to make a conclusion either way until they follow every lead to find it.
This is the nature of scientific discovery. It’s not about using arcane “facts” to tear down new ideas. It’s about investigating ideas by clarifying them, then methodically seeking input until you exhaust all possibilities. I don’t believe in an afterlife, but I don’t disbelieve either. Life itself is a fascinating concept which defies logic. And yet here we are. That ought to tell you that our science books are woefully inadequate.
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Hey friend how’s it going what I personally think about it is that it’s a great solution to have if there’s a No Way Out situation like think about it what if we were all in imortal? can you imagine how we would have to learn hardcore to deal with our problems I just personally believe some people just don’t belong here and I’m really talking about myself.
my opinion on it is God bless that it’s around because if this option wasn’t available I have no idea what I’d be doing I probably just make myself a vegetable so no one bothers me
My personal experience, my life is that I believe I live in like a prison existence and if I were to commit suicide I would end up in a similar place in the afterlife
The thought of being conscious throughout “nothingness” scares the crap outta me.
62% of why I haven’t died so far. The idiotic thought of succeeding and being “awake” while dead scares me.
There is no way you can be conscious while dead… When your in deep sleep, there are no dreams, just the cessation of your mind for a bit. That’s how death is. You experience life because of this vessel, called your body, when it dies, your consciousness as a particular human being is gone.
Before you awoke, at birth, who or what were you? What did you experience?
Nothing… It’ll be the same after everyone dies.
I think the fact that I was brought up within a family of spiritualists/mediums makes the fear worse than it actually is. Too bad my mind can’t just realise there isn’t anything to be afraid of. No conscious death, etc.
And to answer the question.
The continuation of life, or the act of ending ones life is a choice that every human being has. It is not morbid, at all. We didn’t ask to be born and we are all going to die in a few seasons anyways. And, If our struggles are more then we can handle then its okay to end our time here on this spinning rock.
I believe that we are the universe becoming aware of itself. Growing through experiences, life by life. But sometimes, this game can’t quell our innate longing for happiness.. so instead of experiencing hardships as a conscious being, I feel like for me suicide is the better option.
If all of humanity thought like this, there would be no society, it would be chaotic. So i dont think this mindset is for everyone
I have a lot to say here
specially in reply to Cecilia
& I will do my best to come back here in a day or two max
but the one point I wish to adress right now is that
sadly, Cecilia,
I don’t think it’s as you say,
about not being concious when you’re dead…
I never ever told this to anyone before
cause I know it will make everyone I know extra concerned for me in some way
but since I think this won’t happen here
& for the sake of giving you guys a heads up
I’m gonna say it…
I think I died before
probably for less than a minute
but I was dead
it was OVER
I’m gonna skip the circumstances & what happened
& I’ll just get to that point where it was done for me
I was not breathing
I’m 100% sure I heard my heart stop
everything went completely completely dark
ears went deaf
& even the capability of imagination was lost
nothing was working except one thing “existing”
I was still there
the “I”/”me” inside that body
was still there
& I was concious of every single thing happening
I couldn’t see or hear
but somehow I was “aware” of the people around me
& what they were doing
& of the fact that
indeed
right now
I’m dead
& I can tell you
it’s not a nice feeling
so so many regrets you get at that moment
& you wish more than anything in the whole entire world
that you get another chance
I don’t know if I should say more
I think I already either freaked the hell out of you guys
or made you more depressed than you already are 🙁
which I swear was not & would never ever be my intention
I just wanted to state this
because it’s something that I’ve personally gone through
& it would really break my heart to imagine
that any of you guys here
[or pretty much anyone]
would go through with that step
thinking there would be nothing to worry about
only to find themselves in that position I was in
I wish it on nobody
ever
it’s gonna happen anyways
& I know it’s gonna happen again to me, when the time comes
but I pray & hope that each & everyone of us
would be as ready as they can be when that moment comes
I’m so so sorry guys if this brought you down
those who know me, even for a bit, know I never try to hurt or scare
but having gone through this makes me feel “responsible”
to tell it to those who don’t know & haven’t gone through it
Cecilia & darkest
please forgive my delayed responses to you guys
so much happening the past weeks
but I should be getting done with some big steps this week & so I’ll have more time to talk very soon
Love you all
<3 <3 <3
I would like to believe Cecilia but It scares me too. It is most of the reason I am still here. Waking up thinking “oh no” everyday is bad enough. Waking up to some infinite death is just terrifying.
The scariest part about death is that nobody knows what it is like, and those that do hardly ever survive to tell the tale (specifically those that die and couldn’t be resuscitated).
Alan Watts on Death Part 1 and 2
http://www.wisdom2be.com/files/774488b8d2a43e9b16b3c3f395b44710-126.html
http://www.wisdom2be.com/files/2fd30fc6f17ebad08eace7ece6f52684-127.html
You should check these out. It helped shape my perceptive on death.
If you had been dead, you wouldn’t be writing this. So that experience was not death.
Thats what I was thinking.. I love Farah, but I have to disagree, complete death is silence. No Ego, which is the person you built up since birth, who people told you, you were, who you think you are and how you feel about yourself. We use this persona so we can navigate though life easier, but it isn’t who we really are.
How about a human baby that dies days after birth? They don’t experience an afterlife of spirit built upon a person with certain traits. They didnt have enough time to build this.
I honestly don’t get why people are agnostic about the afterlife in our day and age. OF COURSE THERE IS NO AFTERLIFE. How could there be? Your nervous system, which gives rise to consciousness, is dead! Your “spirit” does not magically escape your body. That makes as much sense as saying the car you totalled lives on, because you salvaged some gas from the tank. In fact, it makes less sense. What, you think ants have spirits? Ants have am afterlife? Or buffaloes? Or sardines? Or Venus fly traps? Give me a break. And no, your body composting does not mean your spirit lives on. It means the matter your body was made of is converted. You shed dead skin all the time, nothing profound about it. It’s not reincarnation. So tired of BS. 21st century, folks. 21st century.
“OF COURSE THERE IS NO AFTERLIFE”
Even without the caps that’s an ignorant statement. For the record, I am an atheist and I have a masters degree in physics. And as much as I doubt the existence of an afterlife, or God for that matter, I am not so narrow minded as to tell others THERE IS NO AFTERLIFE, NO GOD. Science is in its infancy, so to draw conclusions that consciousness is merely a “central nervous system” is as narrow minded as it gets, like when doctors thought depression was caused by “pressure on the central nervous system” so the drilled holes in people’s brains. Please, your 11th century fanaticism is making us look bad so chill out.
Kudos for being open to random unjustified theories. A Pastafarian, perhaps?
Tell me, ’cause I’m dying to know, in physics, can you just come up with any old shit, and people will publish you?
I’m not the one indoctrinating people with spurious BS and nothing to back it up.
point number [1]
Cecilia, I Loveeeee you toooooooooo 🙂 <3 & no problem at all that we disagree on something <3
point number [2]
guys guys please calm down
okay <3
it's alright
it's a controversial issue
actually, if there was a list of controversial issues
[I'm sure there is somewhere 😀 ]
these topics of God, soul, consciousness, death, after-life would all be on the very top of the list
so it's okay
we can disagree
but let's not turn this into a boxing ring 🙁
okay
muspelhem & Deadwood
I respect both your opinions & views
& I have a lot to say in reply
but for now I ask you all
"can any living person in the whole universe be 100% sure ?"
i don’t really believe in an afterlife. i second cecilia, really. i do believe in a soul and that souls “travel” somehow, but i don’t believe we live on to a different world. no.
Regards to an afterlife, this sounds like a copout but I’ll explain in a second: “We cannot know.”
On both sides of the debate there are people who are fanatically convinced they are right, but all their reasoning is circumstantial. In other words, indirect, deduced or conjectural. As in a court of law, circumstantial evidence is flimsy. Without a dead body you can’t prove someone was murdered. And so all these philosophical and spiritual theories about an afterlife are just that, theories.
That being said, I am from the “scientific” camp and you would think that means I reject the idea of anything that has no proof. Ignorant scientists may do that, but true science/truth dictates that we neither embrace nor reject a proposal until there is factual evidence to make a conclusion. The problem with proving/disproving spiritual matters is that they aren’t defined so we are unable to investigate.
If, instead of “afterlife”, we are talking about the existence of a new planet, defined as an object with mass in orbit around the sun, then we can go about investigating gravitational fields and other real world indicators to find it even if we cannot see it. Even something as intangible as an afterlife can be investigated if someone would define exactly what it is. But so far the definitions are too vague and conflicting among faiths to start the search. So back to the analogy of the dead body, if someone comes to the police station reporting a murder, the police aren’t allowed to make a conclusion either way until they follow every lead to find it.
This is the nature of scientific discovery. It’s not about using arcane “facts” to tear down new ideas. It’s about investigating ideas by clarifying them, then methodically seeking input until you exhaust all possibilities. I don’t believe in an afterlife, but I don’t disbelieve either. Life itself is a fascinating concept which defies logic. And yet here we are. That ought to tell you that our science books are woefully inadequate.