One of the most sad things in my opinion is that since the quality of life improved drastically with industrial revolution the suicide rate just skyrocketed. Its almost like humans were made just to suffer and if not enough suffering is coming from the outside world your own brain just creates some…
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What makes it even worse is that some humans suffer WAY MORE than others.
Through pure bad luck or bad genes or bad health, completely out of our control, one can suffer their whole life.
Or because of a few bad decisions (Most of which, one has no idea at the time how bad they are) one can suffer greatly and never recover.
But some lucky people get to go through life on easy street and hardly suffer at all.
It really bothers me how unequal and unfair life is. If we all suffered equally, at least that would be more fair.
LLL, you make a great point but the difference between the lucky and unlucky people is that the latter decided to have children even though they shouldn’t have, that’s the whole point. If people with genetic illnesses, mental issues, are in poverty, stopped having children, they would not pass down their suffering to the next generation.
It is really just that simple. If the “unfortunates” of the world just had the common sense to examine their lives and say “Jeez, my life really fkg sucks, I fail at everything I do. I’m broke, I have poor health, etc…..maybe I shouldn’t have kids” then the misery would end with them.
But who thinks like that? Most people just live in the moment and don’t plan for the future. They find someone similar who wants to ‘bang’ and A leads to B, they have kids who grow up with all their flaws and issues and who themselves hate their lives and the pattern keeps going.
As for the lucky ones, they simply happened to be born to parents who were smart, driven, attractive and successful, so their offspring reaped the benefits of their good unions. Some others have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, they had a bad life but wanted to do well and they did through hard work.
The question is what do we do about it? In my case I recognized early in my life I was a product of two people I don’t like who should never have married. I have all their short-comings and grew up in a low-income level because of them.
The smart thing to have done-speaking selfishly was to end my life in my teen years when the profundity of my existence really hit me in its fullness and I knew I wouldn’t have a great life. However, despite all the suffering I experienced, I am actually glad I didn’t end my life because I was able to help out some people close to me.
Despite how much I hated myself and my life I decided that the self-hate was untenable and destructive. I also suffered even more socially and sold myself short in so many ways because of the self-hate.
So I flipped it around and decided to make a serious effort at life, see if I could realize some of my dreams. I’ve come a long way but still not where I want to be but I believe I should be at a turning point soon.
At some point I will really have had enough of living and seek an exit but that might not be for a while, though some days I do wish I could end it right there and then. Still I’m sticking around because there are projects I want to complete and things I’d like to do before I go.
If people are serious about dying there are ways of doing it that are guaranteed to work. But it’s also important to look at the bigger picture, what would happen to your family members if you weren’t around for instance?
I learned that my siblings would not help out my mother when she was struggling with health issues and she couldn’t go to work sometimes. If I wasn’t around to help her, she would’ve ended up homeless.
I never imagined they’d be that uncaring but I learned they don’t give a damn about anyone but themselves. I don’t like to discuss my family/personal issues publicly but I felt I should explain why I decided to live and why it turned out to be a good decision.
So this is something everyone should consider-who could suffer if you decide to end yourself and is it worth it to keep living longer. I’ll leave it at that for now.
I agree to a point. I certainly didn’t want any kids, for the reason(s) you mentioned.
My daughter was a total drunken accident with someone I barely knew and she decided to keep the baby, despite all the reasons she shouldn’t have. (Which I explained to her)
So, it’s not always a choice to have kids.. Sometimes it just happens.
Well said day2day . If all the “unfortunates” had used common sense I would not be here either.
Just like you I failed to do the smart thing several years ago, then learned a ton of life turn around things from my therapist, and now I too am helping people who really need it.
Fair enough LLL, I know I can be a bit judgmental towards people who have such accidents but I realize things really do just happen. If you recall my other post in our last chat, I nearly got a girl pregnant too and I’d be in the same boat. She was very attractive but I was 18 and definitely in no position to have kids at that time. I was heading to university and didn’t want to screw that up.
At the end of the day if you’re able to support your kids and meet your needs that’s all that can be really expected. But of course it isn’t ideal and that’s why many of us have suffered. And you’re right about many girls they don’t want to get abortions, so it’s not like we get much say over it. Since then I always went out ‘prepared’ (had a condom). lol
Thanks a1957, ya same here. My dad was once telling me about the struggles he faced after having kids and I told him “maybe it was better that you didn’t have kids.” And he replied, “I’ve never even thought like that before.” He acted as if it was a totally weird new idea he never heard of.
He was being sincere, for him, it was just expected that everyone has children and you make do in life. I guess that’s the mentality of the older generation-not having kids is not in their vocabulary, so we all pay the price for their stupidity.
I’m happy to hear you’ve turned your life around and have helped others out as I have. Well if the good people kill themselves off, then there will only be bad people left and make life even worse for others, so I guess that’s another reason for people like us to stick around as long as we can.
Once I set up my mother in her own house and she’s doing well, then nothing will really keep me tied to this world (she’s a retired/pensioner now). I know if I left at that point she’ll be fine. My siblings are married, doing ok and so is my father. There’s nobody else I really care about aside from family…friends are friends, they’ll never equal family imo.
Right, exactly, day2day. That belief that we simply should reproduce even if would be absurd owing to deep unresolved issues, not knowing how to be parents, or not having the economic means has been all too common. Actually as far back as the 70’s a whopping 20% of American women had declined to reproduce, but that was not readily apparent to everyone as a realistic and desirable option.
It is my capacity and decision to make a tangible difference in a few people’s life that keeps me going. If I live long enough to become useless then I will owe it to society to rethink my existence, provided I can still think that clearly.
I wonder why it is we were put here to suffer. Would it be to teach us important lessons for our next lives? But then again, why are we all here anyway? Why does this world exist with us on it? More specifically, you and I? Why were we chosen to live on thus planet at this time in history? What significance do we bring to the world, and why do we have to suffer through our time here? It’s kind of existential if you think about it.
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Life spans in the US certainly have become much longer since the industrial revolution. Long enough to realize the pain we are in and pull the plug unless we get real help.
Suffering always seems like the aftermath of something or someone gone wrong.