I am of the understanding now that:
There never has been a logical reason to commit suicide. But neither has there ever been a logical reason to stay alive that satisfies the ‘system’ at an individual level. Both cases are too irrational and incomprehensible to be polar opposites, because their only dividing factor is that one choice perpetuates the option of life and death (in short, gives a second chance) while the other is a permanent choice.
I think suicide is not contrary to life but an accessory. A fundamental option that must exist to stabilize the system (I don’t mean matrix, that is something else). With that in mind, it makes sense that an organism designed in every way to perpetuate life, would even consider dying at its own hand. It is Logical.So there is never a logical reason but the action is logical. That right there is a wow moment in my opinion.
#My next post will be about the curse of feminism, and how it is contributing to male suicide.
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Logic is very much based on proofs and assuming truths or allowing truths to be true. Your idea that suicide has no logical underpinning merely states that you’ve not found one.
There’s a perfectly logical underpinning for suicide, at least in my life. Suicide is the point at which pain (which is measurable and therefor capable of comparing) is greater than the external or internal pressure to stay alive. I’ve yet to reach that perfect point, but I talk to people who are there, then they kill themselves. That makes sense, it’s an almost economic approach in that when the price is too high to pay people stop buying, where buying is continuing to live. Life is like a subscription model though, you have to try and cancel it and sometimes the cancel doesn’t take and the subscription keeps showing up and you have to take them to court and cancel that credit card. Maybe that’s just me, the subscription story anyway. Every suicidal person I know is worried about if the attempt doesn’t take.
There might be other ways to stop the pain, but they involve an excessive amount of outside intervention. Logically the path of least resistance would appear the most effective. People not in severe amounts of pain don’t get it, they say to just endure. That’s what I do, endure… it’s an ongoing project to keep the life side of the equation higher value than the pain.
Anti feminism huh? Well, we’ll talk about that when we get there huh? Thought provoking stuff. The above post I mean, not really sure with where to go with the preview.
That’s all well said, and I don’t argue with the reasons but to say they (the reasons to commit suicide) are logical seems like overstating. Logic and rational behavior go hand in hand, rational behavior is the result of logical thinking. Now to clear things up, I am not down-playing the sufferings of people (I have a few of my own), and with that said I will say: emotional pain does not exist. Before you hang my statement make me the poster child of ignorance, I want you to consider this. How rational is emotion? That question alone should get you thinking, now am I against emotion? No, in fact, I believe emotions are part of the fundamental basis of intelligent life. What I am saying is, it is not the kind of emotions humans display that are “logical” but those of simple animals.
When a dog is beaten by a person, it obviously cries because it feels pain, that’s physical. If that happens over a period of time, the dog eventually associates the person with the pain and avoids the situation as best it can. But if placed in corner, what will it do? It lashes out. So here’s where I am going with this. Humans are no different, they associate individuals with their actions toward them. How is someone your friend? Because they act friendly towards you.
Now here’s where the gap in reasoning exists, when a dog is backed into a corner it lashes out. But human consciousness works different, when oppressed an individual will take their own life EVEN THOUGH ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE. Are you seeing the difference? The dog lashes out because that’s what it should do, it’s a living organism possessing reproductive capabilities and it understands that it is in a losing situation. Yet still it fights back because that’s the system of available options.
Humans yes feel emotional and get hurt, but self harm is like “loosing a chess game and in retaliation you burn your neighbors dog”. The solution does not fit the circumstances. I’m not saying suicide isn’t logical, it can be if it is the last and only option. And we all know there has been a situation where that is the case (meaning: where there was nothing else that could possibly be done except suicide), so it can be logical. After all, we live in a reality of multiple possibilities.
To conclude, the only reason I said suicide was logical was in calling it an “accessory”, a luxury if you will. In which case, it makes sense why it exists because it stabilizes the system. In short, It’s existence is logical but the reasons to do it aren’t because there will always be alternatives available.
*Correct on the comment above*
I’m not saying suicide isn’t logical, it can be if it is the last and only option. And we all know there has *NEVER been a situation where that is the case (meaning: where there was nothing else that could possibly be done except suicide), so there is *NO logical reason to do it. After all, we live in a reality of multiple possibilities so there will always be other alternatives.
logic is too hard to comprehend when talking about life
they said reincarnation is probably real cause matter is always in the same amount but there’s no proof
this is one of the main reason ,I afraid of suicide. cause I still doubt of karma and reincarnation.
and other thing is we basically eat from a living creature or plants. but plants is considering living creature..
so basically we eat life for life itself in order to survive. kinda ironic
There are many different sub-sectors to logic, so logically speaking (lol) logic should be able to explain every aspect of reality or it ceases being logic.
I can give you a plethora of reason why reincarnation isn’t logical. But that’s only if you’re interested, I will discuss it in one of my entries. For now, one reason to doubt that is that no one knows the size of the universe or if it has boundaries. Therefore how can you liken it to a chemical reaction?
Yes matter is preserved in a reaction but how do you apply that logic to the universe? Unless you believe the universe is one big chemical reaction. In which case, there are plenty of errors that can be pointed out from angular momentum fails (Why don’t all orbiting bodies move in the same direction) to black holes. So already there’s a different kind of system at work.
My point being, You can apply logic to life. But karma and reincarnation are religious ideas and beyond the realm of logic to say the least. In religion such things actually confuse people like your statement “we eat life for life itself in order to survive”. No you eat matter, you eat the physical structures that make up your surrounding. You don’t eat ‘life’ that is impossible and illogical.
What happens is you are constantly weighing one life against another. Once you start to think of it this way “Aman and a goat are trapped in a box with no food. The goat won’t eat the man but the man can eat the goat. In this case if they make does not eat, then both organism die. The goat was going to die anyway, so the man simply takes its life, and eats it to perpetuate his own life therefore making the logical decision” Nothing evil about it. It’s simply knowing that the man made the decision that suited his circumstances.
yeah you’re right
obviously feeling,and logic can be easily twisted.there’s always a flaw and there will always 2 or more perspective we can see from life or even suicide itself.
basically it’s too complex,I think there’s even infinite amount of perspective we can get from one case.
and my conclusion is both logic and feeling is based on their own perspective.
but based on my knowledge though,that all of us living being and non living being is built from atom and the chemical reaction itself make us living.
Most Suicidal people are mentally ill. I find it hard to talk about logic and rationality when it comes to suicide that doesnt involve depression or mental illness, because mental illness distorts them both. I dont think it would be fair to measure an unhealthy mind in these ways using concepts asserted by minds that are healthy.
The logic and rationality of a mentally Ill person is going to look very different from a mentally healthy person. So really, there are a couple different perspectives to consider
Should you be offended if they call you mentally ill? I’ve been trying to commit suicide since 12 years old.
In and of itself, I’d say no. If you consider the context surrounding that and the tone it’s said in, maybe.
Ya I guess it’s just a hard knock life. I know I don’t belong here. I wish it was easier to commit, but I’ve always kind of also wished someone would help me commit.