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by nozmoking

When animals are trapped with no way out they’ve been known to chew through their own limbs to escape pain or entrapment. We call them “intelligent” or “survivors”.

When a human bears intolerable pain or is trapped in a life untenable, inescapable and they choose to escape in the only way remaining to them we call them “weak” or “selfish”.

Is that what we call the ability to “reason”?



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AXYZ 5/5/2019 - 7:10 am

I believe the whole fad of calling suicide “selfish” is a new thing. It probably popped up when “mental illness” and “suicide prevention” became such lucrative industries. Demonized the enemy and get more donations for the cause.

Or maybe schools don’t teach Shakespeare any more. “Thus conscience does make cowards” is referring to people who are afraid to kill themselves because of religion, fear or whatever. Shakespeare was very clear, as were all great writers of his day, that suicide took a lot of guts. Those living with endless pain are the cowards.

a1957 5/5/2019 - 3:20 pm

Yep. It is worth noting fifty two of Shakespeare’s characters offed themselves. And then there is the whole to be or not to be thing.

AXYZ 5/5/2019 - 3:43 pm

lmao that just made my day 🙂

Hope Dream Love 5/5/2019 - 8:35 am

I find it rather interesting how they will call it selfish quickly followed by “what about your loved ones”. I believe it clearly shows their ignorance on the subject. I have 2 people in my life that I allow them to concern themselves with my problems. One calls it selfish. The other. Although he would try to stop me and feels saddened by it wouldn’t blame me.

I just find it so confusing how they call us selfish but their reason for it being selfish is themselves. Something seems backwards or is it just Me?

a1957 5/5/2019 - 3:27 pm

This has long puzzled me too. If I don’t live for them I am selfish . What ? The selfish thing is just false. Offing oneself has nothing to do with selfish at all . People off themselves when the pain is too great and they see no hope of otherwise.

rivets 5/5/2019 - 4:13 pm

It’s a kind of projection. They know on some level that nobody would want to kill themselves without experiencing constant pain and turmoil, and yet the idea of suicide gives normals a sense of dread and turmoil – the fear of loss? The fear of possible future pain? The same things they’re calling selfish in the suicidal person.

We’re all screwed up. People who aren’t screwed up, doubly so.

a1957 5/5/2019 - 5:05 pm

Doubly so, indeed.

Hope Dream Love 5/5/2019 - 3:32 pm

Yep. Honestly I feel that makes them the selfish ones. They expect us to live in pain and agony until we die a natural death …. just for them. However if they were in the same place…they’d just expect us to understand.

Cause of Death: Suicide 5/5/2019 - 11:40 am

Freedom to act, free will. No one’s problems but your own. If you’re gonna commit suicide then do it, it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks. You must find the peace inside of yourself and you will know what to do.

LoveDogs 5/5/2019 - 3:33 pm

Trapping is very cruel and inhumane. I wish there was a world wide ban on the horrible practice.

a1957 5/5/2019 - 5:38 pm

Trapping animals or humans is cruel. The traps set for suffering humans are quite effective mental and legal ones.

rivets 5/5/2019 - 4:09 pm

Well, you know how it is. We humans also think we have the god-given right to dominate the natural world and remake entire landscapes into things we find aesthetically pleasing, because clearly nature does a piss poor job of making pretty suburban gardens. Maybe suicidal/depressive/anxious/internally contradictory people are experiencing the effects of a similar process, and are therefore more sane than the greater masses of the species. After all, the suburbs are obviously an insane person’s fever-dream come to life, and yet they’re everywhere.

Casino96 5/6/2019 - 2:07 am

Mankind can make ANYTHING seem like self defense when it’s called out on it.

The ability to reason, in my opinion, is to understand fully that you live in your own state of saturated cognitive dissonance, and to, at the same time, consider the contradictions irrelevant.

TL:DR, I’m drunk and self important. As a result, I rephrase Orwell’s “doublethink,” except with bigger words arranged in a stupid, vain attempt to get attention and replies.

Then I’ll wake up with a headache in six hours, drive to the medical center and, Granting that they don’t detain me, drive to work.

Despite what they tell you, middle schoolers never age.


rivets 5/6/2019 - 6:06 am

If you want to see a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever, and every once in a while it stops for an inspirational lecture on how we should never stop dreaming. C/O Mike Gravel.

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