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I use to like it here. It was a safe haven filled with encouragement. Everyone helping another out when they are down. Now….its filled with hatred. Telling others it’s better off to keep things to themselves and death is so much better. Even going as far as actually helping them die. This isn’t the site it use to be.


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muspelhem 8/22/2019 - 2:24 pm

There used to be a lot more about methods and stuff before. It’s actually cleaner now than it was. It used to be pretty explicit.

Hope Dream Love 8/22/2019 - 2:40 pm

I’ve only been here for a year I think and when I first got here up to a few months ago. Stuff like that was deleted and dealt with immediately. And there wasn’t any hate. Yet lately for a reason I can’t seem to figure out I’ve had people hating me and misreading my comments like some how that’s my fault. I liked it here because I felt safe but if people are going to start calling me a **** and saying I’ve been trolling everyone ever since I got here….i don’t want to be a part of that. I didn’t do it and I get enough bullshit in my real life I don’t need it online too.

muspelhem 8/22/2019 - 2:42 pm

You seem harmless to me. Gentle, really.

Don’t know about months ago, meant back in 2010-12 maybe.

Hope Dream Love 8/22/2019 - 2:44 pm

I try to be. All ive ever done since i got here is try to help people but lately the hate gas been over powerin me and i feel my words are being lost. I know I should keep trying to help because of that 1 person that really needs it but it’s really difficult to when you’re getting called down and ignored all the time.

spreject 8/22/2019 - 2:48 pm

Yes. You can’t control other people. Sometimes they will be jerks to you. You don’t have to keep being nice to them. You can ignore them or retaliate.

Look after yourself. You’re a good person.

Hope Dream Love 8/22/2019 - 2:53 pm

I tend to retaliate because I’m tired of being stepped on and the only way people will see that is if I stand up. But I also tend to not help the mean ones it’s obvious they don’t even want to help themselves
Also thank you for the compliment it made me smile 🙂

spreject 8/22/2019 - 3:36 pm

Sounds sensible. You’re welcome, you’ve earned it. ?

spreject 8/22/2019 - 3:37 pm

(That question mark was a smiley that got lost in translation.)

Hope Dream Love 8/22/2019 - 3:41 pm

I hate it when it does that. It can completely change what you’re saying and then people misread it and you’re thinking ahhhhhh lol

spreject 8/22/2019 - 5:14 pm

Haha yes, was afraid it sounded dismissive.

Hope Dream Love 8/22/2019 - 5:40 pm

It seemed like you weren’t 100% sure of what you were saying lol.
Like….is this what I should say? Hahaha

spreject 8/22/2019 - 5:42 pm

Lol that is me in every conversation.

Hope Dream Love 8/22/2019 - 6:16 pm

i hate that. especially when they didnt give the respond you expected then youre standing there like “uh oh did i screw up”

spreject 8/22/2019 - 7:17 pm

Yes, but it’s hard to read people sometimes.

Hope Dream Love 8/22/2019 - 7:20 pm

i hate myself for that. sometimes my mood disorder or depression (depending on the case) gets the better of me and i can sound pissed off or snappy when really im just pissed at myself for being broken and it has nothing to do with the person….ugh

spreject 8/22/2019 - 7:25 pm

Don’t think you need to blame yourself for that, it sounds perfectly human. Sorry you feel broken.

Hope Dream Love 8/22/2019 - 7:36 pm

broken…mentally unstable and i feel like ive only been getting worse. ive been trying to get better but….ahhhhhh. i dont like my chances without medication which im not really for. i still have to do whatever it is they do to see what disorders i do have. it wont be for 2ish months though. i really dont want to see that list, i fear it will be bigger than an encyclopedia

spreject 8/23/2019 - 6:56 am

I don’t hold psychiatric diagnoses in super high esteem. If they are helpful to you, great. But e.g. have a friend who was just told he’s not schizophrenic after all – after being diagnosed as such and being on antipsychotics for many years. My impression is these diagnoses are rough clusters of symptoms, and even the symptoms don’t seem to be an exact science to measure. And the DSM-5 and the ICD-10 aren’t even in agreement.

I recently had a thought: Brains are subject to evolutionary mechanisms, right? Like e.g. natural and sexual selection. Basically, if an attribute is a hindrance to the survival and reproduction of an organism in a given environment, it won’t survive for very long. Whereas if it confers an advantage, it is more likely to survive and be passed on to future generations.

So that is how brains (or rather: nervous systems) evolved: because they had a good cost/benefit ratio.

If you are mentally ill and plagued by your mind, that means your mind is more of a hindrance than a help.

And that, in turn, probably means you should use it less. I think many of us get stuck in overthinking. We feel bad psychologically, so we try to think our way out of it. Which isn’t surprising, because we live in the Information Age, the age of the knowledge worker; and it’s also what therapists and self-help authors have been telling us for a century now: think your way out of your problems.

But what if that doesn’t work? Because the problem IS that we’re spending too much time inside our heads, and too little time engaging directly with the world around us?

We are mere organisms in an environment, and the only reason we have brains is that they are supposed to help us navigate that environment. But if they aren’t, maybe we should switch them off a bit and simply interact with the environment without too much thought?

Hope Dream Love 8/23/2019 - 7:02 am

That actually made a lot of sense and I completely agree with it.
A lot of people get misdiagnosed which is understandable because everyone is different and we know barely anything about the brain. However in my case it obvious I have depression/mood disorders. I also have hallucinations which I thought for a while was schizophrenia but it turned out that you can get hallucinations with other disorders so it’s more likely that. Anyway point is I’m at a state where I need to be diagnoses so I at least have a starting point.

spreject 8/24/2019 - 6:40 am

Fair enough

shatterediris 8/22/2019 - 8:26 pm

I hate not knowing how to express a thing…. But basically I just want to say that in my opinion it’s fine for people to be not at their best here. I like it here mostly because I know it’s safer to be honest here than it is elsewhere.

Hope Dream Love 8/22/2019 - 8:49 pm

I’m perfectly fine with not being at their best. I get it. That’s the point of this place. However I draw the line at being mean and actually helping them to die or at the very least encouraging it. If I say I want to die I want a hug and an it’s ok. Sure it didn’t make the problem better but I know I’m not alone and I have people here to help me. Unless you have a serious mental problem where for some reason you actually want to die. 80-95% of the depressed people just want all the bullshit to stop not to actually die. They just ran out of options. At that point you’re just encouraging what they don’t really want.

rocketman 8/23/2019 - 12:20 pm

Off the subject a bit, Hope Dream Love you are a Canadian? and live in Canada?
Back to your post I’ve been around on here over a decade, yes it has changed putting it mildly, very sad!
This was a place where people encouraged each other and met as friends and laughed, discussed things, and was a break from the horrible depression and a place to look forward to going to an escape from their problems and or a place to talk about their problems which they weren’t comfortable to do with the people around them IRL. I myself continue to try to be positive I haven’t changed but the world has AND not only on SP.

Hope Dream Love 8/23/2019 - 2:50 pm

Yes to both of those. Why?

rocketman 8/23/2019 - 7:34 pm

Just curious on the Canadian thing, I have a lot of friends that are Canadian, I use to work with them for year’s in the U.S.

Far as how thing’s have changed, a few major reasons ,politics, the media, constant bombarding of hate, bad news, people have become nasty and short tempered, let’s say your listening to a nice song it makes you feel good and puts you in a good mood, let’s say your listening to a sad song it screws up your mood, that is today’s new standard, a on going sad song, you are what you think about.

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