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by vagabond

I’ll say it again for the people in the back. You can’t actually commit suicide unless you have one of several scientifically categorized motives. I don’t remember what the motives are, but if you’ve been here for years and you still haven’t done it yet, guess what? That most likely means you can’t because science. It has nothing to do with the size of your cajones.

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thedevilisclose 5/24/2020 - 6:17 am

That’s your opinion. Either don’t force it on others or keep it to yourself.

_loser_ 5/24/2020 - 8:05 am

Yeah, I hate when science thrusts reality upon me.

SadPotato 5/24/2020 - 6:34 am

Countless teens have committed suicide because of heartbreak or bullying, and I’m sure that those aren’t on a supposed “scientific” list of motives. The reasons behind suicidal ideation is as varied as people’s lives and a valid scientific list of motives does not exist. So I’m struggling to see the point of this post.

_loser_ 5/24/2020 - 8:04 am

Actually, they are.

_loser_ 5/24/2020 - 8:07 am

I’m not going to fucking share the reasons with you when we’re not even supposed to share methods.

_loser_ 5/24/2020 - 8:22 am

“Ideation” is one thing. What I’m saying is just wishing to die isn’t enough. Empirically speaking the vast majority of suicides fit only under certain categories. “Ideation” can mean anything. When it comes to actual suicide, something called “suicide psychoses” is often involved in which the suicidal hear voices etc; prompting them to hurt themselves. They don’t make this public knowledge for obvious reasons.

Most people who commit suicide isolate themselves and stop talking about it etc;

It’s just not as simple as wanting to die my dude. There are more factors involved than just deciding you want to die. Suicide is a phenomena… And it might be debatable as to whether many suicides were as much a decision of those involved.

I don’t know why you’re mad. I’m just dropping facts to help you here. I come here because I sometimes want to die ideologically but I’m aware of the stipulations… But for informative purposes it should just be put out there for people who would then consider their time here to be a waste.

ungrateful_bastard (boxcar) 5/25/2020 - 12:07 am

No shit?! Wanting to die needs a motive for a suicide to happen ???? Dude’s a fucking genius!!!!!! Even better, he claims it’s science!

ungrateful_bastard (boxcar) 5/25/2020 - 12:19 am

You’re not very bright, obviously. You’re just googling articles and rearranging what they actually meant.
Depression is the cancer of all mental illnesses. It’s complex.
There are different variations to one’s risk of suicide. Battling depression for years isn’t a means to disregard the risk of suicide.
This was perhaps the stupidest thing I’ve read this year.

thehusk 5/24/2020 - 12:00 pm

Eh…social science is…somewhat dodgy. I’m not sure you can just say ‘because science’ when it comes to psychology. It’s not on a par with physics, chemistry, or biology. As far as I know there’s no ‘law of suicide’ comparable to the law of gravity.

People throughout history have chosen suicide for a variety of reasons. For example Seppuku and other forms of honor suicide. Many people with degenerative diseases choose to end their lives prematurely to avoid losing control.

I agree that broadly speaking, there are certain factors that need to be present to push people over the edge. Survival instinct and fear of death are incredibly strong forces, and it takes something out of the ordinary to overcome them. I just think you’re simplifying it too much.

_loser_ 5/24/2020 - 3:01 pm

“Social Science”? I’m not talking about Durkheim here. I’m just talking statistics.

I’d agree that broadly speaking, there may be exemptions from the motivations that were covered, but I can’t for the life of me find the specific webpage I learned this from again… So technically things such as seppuku and the latter may be categorized as a specific type of suicide, but since I don’t have what was read on hand I can’t remember.

But if you do wanna get picky when it comes to the word science, suicide is also genetic… Some people are more inclined towards it than others, while certain genes are mitigatory. Both my dad and his dad committed suicide, so I’m predisposed, yet I’m still here.

However, I do remember one of the factors that was listed was feeling like a burden. And although I didn’t meet any of the criteria and was thus enlightened as to WHY the FUCK I haven’t just killed myself yet… During the moments I thought about my relationship with the one person I truly care about, I realized that the reason I avoid them is probably mainly because I would be a burden to them given my condition, trauma, etc;.

Anyway when I realized how much of a burden I really would be to this person along with the fact that this person is probably the only one who can help me, I also realized that for the first time I was actually thinking about killing myself. Not just “thinking” about killing myself along with the ideological desire to die, or even writing notes, coming here, or looking up suicide methods. For the first time I actually felt defeated. Suicide was no longer about rebellion or escape. It was just that there was no reason for me to be here anymore.

My point being, for a few minutes, I actually felt like “a burden to my loved ones”, and during those moments I was on the cusp of all other thoughts ceasing to exist, and the ones that remained, those of suicide, were dangerously real.

And with that in mind I don’t think that article was bunk and obviously this isn’t directed at you, but no amount of SP temper tantrums and pitchforks and torches are going to change my mind, because I’m smart enough to make conclusions based on my own experience and I know it.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure the criterion and article would be useful to people here and I would post it if I could find it…

thedevilisclose 5/24/2020 - 3:10 pm

1) you have no proof because as youve repeatedly stated (and for all we know can be a cover up for a lie) you “cant find it”
2) even if you do find it you cant believe everything you read on the internet
3) its still YOUR opinion youre forcing on everyone so knock it off. theres proof of the moon landing or that the world is a sphere yet theres still people that dont believe that

muspelhem 5/24/2020 - 5:49 pm

He’s actually right. Look up Thomas Joiner’s interpersonal theory of suicide. I’ll refrain from sharing it here.

ungrateful_bastard (boxcar) 5/25/2020 - 12:48 am

Joined listed reasons why people do it. Obvious enough.
This user is buffing up and saying if you say you want to die and uve been here for years u wont do it, which is WRONG and ANNOYING Because life constantly CHANGES. and for someone with DEPRESSION all the wrong things happening at once, or one thing could push them over the edge.
This kid is saying “DURKHEIM” just to sound smart. There is no convincing an idiot that life / struggles CHANGE.

And without really asking anyone this user is assuming that free will is so limited that nobody here gets sacrifice/diminishing obligations etc

thehusk 5/24/2020 - 4:41 pm

Statistics are fine. It only becomes an issue if you try to extrapolate from them to make broad totalizing statements.

Not trying to invalidate your personal experience. Just think you may be reaching slightly by applying it more generally.

Also not saying the article was ‘bunk’. Feeling like a burden to loved ones seems like an entirely plausible trigger for suicide.

I’m just not sure what you’re going for here. If you’re telling people thinking about suicide that they won’t do it unless they meet these specific criteria…do you know that for sure? If not, what’s the point? For someone like me, you’re probably right. It would take a lot to push me over the edge. But there are lots of impulsive/emotional/psychotic people out there. What good does it do them to be told that they’re not going to do it? I think if that’s what you want to claim you really should back it up. But I doubt it’s as cast iron as you think.

Soda 5/25/2020 - 2:09 am

I don’t see the point you’re trying to make with your post really. Are you suggesting they are “scientifically” prevented from ending their lives?

In my case I choose to keep living because the good outweighed the bad in my life. Also because my life has been gradually getting better. I’m nowhere close to the level I want to be at but getting there. So that’s why I keep going.

However I should be very clear, I’ve hit “rock-bottom” (to use that cliche) several times in my life and believe me if suicide was easy I might’ve gone through with it. A few years back I even went to buy a heliium tank from a major store, I was that serious and ready to go through.

I’m still working on a fool-proof method just in case my life gets really bad and I decide to end it. There’s no ‘science’ stopping me and I think that’s the case with most others.

The main reason most people don’t end their life is that there is no safe, reliable, fast method of doing so. Hence people keep going on until it becomes intolerable and they resort to some desperate measures. Hopefully Euthanasia will become normalized and accessible to all, then people won’t have to needlessly keep suffering.

Hazy Day Sunflower 5/25/2020 - 9:47 pm

Silliest thing I’ve heard this year. One of my best friends killed herself two fucking days before Thanksgiving. She’s been planning for years on and off. Makes no difference how you express yourself, when the moment it right you just fucking do it.

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