I found this tonight while talking to a friend. This is the other side of NDE’s, it’s all natural due to the lack of oxygen to the brain and just a normal dream or abnormal dream experience.
I guess I always looked at it from Penn and Teller’s view, yet I still chose to believe that even if its a man made situation that brings humans to the point of this experience it still niether proves nor disproves that there is or isn’t anything past this existence.
Thankfully people speak up for both sides of this issue.
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It’s cool that you’re willing to listen to an opposing view point. Who knows whats real?
We’ll all eventually find out when the time is right.
They say you can never fully appreciate your own beliefs until you’re able to understand a contradicting point of view.
I’ve always believed in the Penn and Teller viewpoint, too. Then again I’ve never had an NDE so I can’t speak from experience and I won’t know for sure until that happens.
Penn & teller. Are right. I’ve been looking at N.E.D. I think it’s not real. And people who come close to death. Have this experience want to believe. Cause no one want’s to end.
Where is Penn & Teller’s research? It is known that an NDE is not actual transition obviously. How would countless people know to report similar experiences or visions. An NDE is only a small part of transition back into spirit.
What’s interesting is someone chooses to express a disbelief about something but doesn’t provide conclusive evidence to the contrary.
Consciousness continues after physical life. We return to the place we came from.
Tony Stubbs, Michael Newton, Jon Kilmo, PMH Atwater…four authors who deal with the afterlife. Wow, they must all be off their rocker….lol!!! Something that is positive and uplifting is an aspect of the truth. The question for me is why is anyone trying to dispel what someone’s experience is? What is the benefit. Believe it or not! What’s true for you is true for you!
I posted as an opposite veiw point, because earlier in the day I had posted Anita Moorjani’s web site with credits to SoftSoul for posting even earlier.
A friend was here and I was telling him about NDE’s, and he brought me to the Penn and Teller video.
The friend is a navy pilot and went thru a centrifuge white light experience. We all know “Something” is happening during NDE’s. What is it ?
Yet my choice is after reading many NDE stories, and seeing some vids, the Penn and Teller don not explain the NDE’s where people hear things that are said in other rooms.
I agree that the human mind is the most fantastic dream machine ever invented. I have taken Mushrooms many hundreds of times, Acid, MDMA , Peyote, all kinds of mind expanding drugs and have personally witnessed the Imagry produced in the mind at those times.
Look D.r sam parnia for an interview with the NDE expert and author of, What Happens When We Die?, Dr. Sam Parnia. During the interview Dr. Parnia is asked why he suspects NDEs are an “illusionâ€, a “trick of the mindâ€. When pressed, Dr Parnia stated, “…It may well be. I’m giving you honest answers. I ‘ve spent 12 years of my life and so much of my medical reputation to try to do this. Because to appreciate people like me, I risk a lot by doing this sort of experiment. So I’m interested in the answers and I don’t know. Like I said, if I was to base everything on the knowledge that I have currently of neuroscience, then the easiest explanation is that this is probably an illusion.â€His AWARE Project asks cardiac arrest patients who experience a NDE to recall hidden pictures placed above their bed. This methodology has been criticized by NDE experts who give it little chance of yielding positive results
Bottom line. He put picture’s cardiac ward’s. Cause people say when they have N.E.D
they can see the room. The picture’s can only be seen from above. No one seen shit.
This was the biggest study of it’s kind. Taken over 12 year’s. And was in 25 hospital’s
And he interviewed over 2000 people who said they had a N.E.D. But on one saw shit.
The picture’s.
Bottom line is we’ll all find out.
Near Death Experience is just that, a near death experience. Who’s to say what it is, if it’s just an illusion of our consciousness or if it’s really an extension to the other side? We can’t disprove it because we can’t prove it. Like life. We all know the what the experience of life is like (assuming life is consciousness, regardless of whether you’re trapped in a depersonalized state of mind everyday), we cannot disprove life because we don’t know what it’s like not to be alive, even if the account is different for everyone else. We don’t know what the experience of death is like (yet), and for those who have claimed to have had a NDE, why the hype? I could care less of disproving or proving something that hasn’t been relevant to me. The closest I’ve ever been to a NDE is an OBE, which very well may be the same thing, and I considered them to be (or feel) extremely real. Who can disprove faith?
I love Penn & Teller’s BS, and while they’re witty and practical, it’s just another side of the coin. To each his own.
I really hope the whole thing about consciousness continuing is either false or only happens to people who believe in it.
Screw this universe and I want nothing after I die.
Complete and utter oblivion.
I’ll keep killing myself over and over earlier and earlier to limit my consciousness time around.