I think there are only two types of people here. 1. Those wanting to give up and die
2. Those who say it will get better, hang in there
Is there a third type?
Perhaps, in my case, I’m a combination of the two. There are many young people here and the thought of them contemplating suicide scares me. So many new experiences begin after the school years. The teens and twenties have so much opportunity ahead… and life is typically different in the working world. For them, I want them to know that life can get better.
Later in life, if things have horribly gone astray… Maybe it’s natural to think that old habits and dug holes are much more difficult to get rid of. Sure… Anything is possible… and I’ll try to keep that outlook… but I didn’t wind up visiting this site for its baseball scores or cooking tips. Clearly, some life event is unfolding.
Maybe a 3rd type would be somebody who doesn’t want to die but doesn’t see a realistic way out of their situation. A catch 22. Damned if you do damned if you don’t.
Completely Agree. Teens should all have a happy youth! I’m old, broke, bad health – i can choose death. Teens should do their best to hang in there, kids are cruel , adults Are usully more understanding
Fair enough, shaolin gumby… A lack of options, being stuck in a rut, etc. can contribute… and it’s fair to say that a significant nunber of people have ended their lives because they didn’t see the other possible solutions.
Not sure it’s a hypocrite RogueShadow…. With age often comes an increased level of knowledge, experience, and life history. A younger person basing the rest of life on what happens in school is missing key pieces of information.
You thinking of reckless action for a mere child/young adult, sorry I’m stoned. Well it’s still hypocritical to help others but want to die as well. I want to die, but not to drag everyone else with me but I don’t like to get people to live since pain and suffering equal to or worse than mine is horrible.
Perhaps the third person is one who understands that suicide is a rational choice often made in the most emotional of distress. Perhaps that third person understands that suicide is the last philosophical question worth asking, the last to hold any significant merit.
Perhaps this Fifth Business mentality can understand that an objective viewpoint, however forced, is important before making such a passionate, definitive decision. You, as a human, educated, most likely First World, have now come to face the fundamental absurdity that Camus talked about. You understand Sartre’s essential point that the hardest thing to do in this world is live in it. You realize that man is something to be overcome. You realize that choice is supreme and sovereign and yet not omnipotent in its capacity to effect external change to your will. Over yourself as a choice-empowered being, you are God both in power and in brutal responsibility for all decisions, big and small. Over the world you are but another player, strutting and fretting their hour upon the stage.
So that Third Person makes a rational decision as to whether they truly, deeply, really WANT to live. Or if they feel that suicide is a mercy killing, euthanasia no different than you would do for an foregone puppy. Choice.
Well things CAN get better if we strive to make things happen, do stuff that makes us happy.
The hard work has to come from the individual but if their mood is so low they cannot focus outside of their depression.
I try to handle my thoughts by telling myself my feelings are multiplied all over the world and I am not the only one who has woken up scared witless. But it can be so hard.
I used to be the first, things didn’t really change, cept that I learned to greater utilize coping mechanisms at my disposal so my depressive tendencies have been greatly reduced. Now I’m just an observer who browses this site out of sheer fascination. I’m an observer?
“Teens should all have a happy youth! I’m old, broke, bad health – i can choose death. Teens should do their best to hang in there, kids are cruel , adults Are usully more understanding.”
ctb-driver’s thoughts mirror mine.
I’m tired of this crap. And it is not going to get considerably better for my old self.
More toil and effort for what amounts to little reward.
I’m not depressed merely not interested in continuing the life cycle because it is no lnger rational, practical and reaching actual old age holds nothing that I want.
This life is a blip amidst eternity. If you’ve chewed on the gum long enough and there’s no more taste, all you get is a sore jaw. There is no shame in making the choice to shed the body and return. The dogma and churches of the world have done a # on many putting out untruths about death. It doesn’t exist, you just move on to another non-physical realm, take stock of what happened in life and move on…the Law of Progress governs everyone’s continuation and there’s only love to foster that. Down here in this dimension we’re veiled by our 3d consciousness and it’s trappings so. It’s a timing thing as to when you want to split. It’s all good. Our perception can be very positive about crossing over. Good luck!
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Perhaps, in my case, I’m a combination of the two. There are many young people here and the thought of them contemplating suicide scares me. So many new experiences begin after the school years. The teens and twenties have so much opportunity ahead… and life is typically different in the working world. For them, I want them to know that life can get better.
Later in life, if things have horribly gone astray… Maybe it’s natural to think that old habits and dug holes are much more difficult to get rid of. Sure… Anything is possible… and I’ll try to keep that outlook… but I didn’t wind up visiting this site for its baseball scores or cooking tips. Clearly, some life event is unfolding.
Maybe a 3rd type would be somebody who doesn’t want to die but doesn’t see a realistic way out of their situation. A catch 22. Damned if you do damned if you don’t.
Completely Agree. Teens should all have a happy youth! I’m old, broke, bad health – i can choose death. Teens should do their best to hang in there, kids are cruel , adults Are usully more understanding
A combination of both is a hypocrite.
Fair enough, shaolin gumby… A lack of options, being stuck in a rut, etc. can contribute… and it’s fair to say that a significant nunber of people have ended their lives because they didn’t see the other possible solutions.
A combination of the two is a paradox. It’s like saying “Victory is only achievable through defeat”.
Not sure it’s a hypocrite RogueShadow…. With age often comes an increased level of knowledge, experience, and life history. A younger person basing the rest of life on what happens in school is missing key pieces of information.
You thinking of reckless action for a mere child/young adult, sorry I’m stoned. Well it’s still hypocritical to help others but want to die as well. I want to die, but not to drag everyone else with me but I don’t like to get people to live since pain and suffering equal to or worse than mine is horrible.
Perhaps the third person is one who understands that suicide is a rational choice often made in the most emotional of distress. Perhaps that third person understands that suicide is the last philosophical question worth asking, the last to hold any significant merit.
Perhaps this Fifth Business mentality can understand that an objective viewpoint, however forced, is important before making such a passionate, definitive decision. You, as a human, educated, most likely First World, have now come to face the fundamental absurdity that Camus talked about. You understand Sartre’s essential point that the hardest thing to do in this world is live in it. You realize that man is something to be overcome. You realize that choice is supreme and sovereign and yet not omnipotent in its capacity to effect external change to your will. Over yourself as a choice-empowered being, you are God both in power and in brutal responsibility for all decisions, big and small. Over the world you are but another player, strutting and fretting their hour upon the stage.
So that Third Person makes a rational decision as to whether they truly, deeply, really WANT to live. Or if they feel that suicide is a mercy killing, euthanasia no different than you would do for an foregone puppy. Choice.
Well things CAN get better if we strive to make things happen, do stuff that makes us happy.
The hard work has to come from the individual but if their mood is so low they cannot focus outside of their depression.
I try to handle my thoughts by telling myself my feelings are multiplied all over the world and I am not the only one who has woken up scared witless. But it can be so hard.
I used to be the first, things didn’t really change, cept that I learned to greater utilize coping mechanisms at my disposal so my depressive tendencies have been greatly reduced. Now I’m just an observer who browses this site out of sheer fascination. I’m an observer?
I’m on here because I need to know that I’m not the only person who feels like this.
“Teens should all have a happy youth! I’m old, broke, bad health – i can choose death. Teens should do their best to hang in there, kids are cruel , adults Are usully more understanding.”
ctb-driver’s thoughts mirror mine.
I’m tired of this crap. And it is not going to get considerably better for my old self.
More toil and effort for what amounts to little reward.
I’m not depressed merely not interested in continuing the life cycle because it is no lnger rational, practical and reaching actual old age holds nothing that I want.
This life is a blip amidst eternity. If you’ve chewed on the gum long enough and there’s no more taste, all you get is a sore jaw. There is no shame in making the choice to shed the body and return. The dogma and churches of the world have done a # on many putting out untruths about death. It doesn’t exist, you just move on to another non-physical realm, take stock of what happened in life and move on…the Law of Progress governs everyone’s continuation and there’s only love to foster that. Down here in this dimension we’re veiled by our 3d consciousness and it’s trappings so. It’s a timing thing as to when you want to split. It’s all good. Our perception can be very positive about crossing over. Good luck!
Depends on which day of the week.
I’m the first one (Those wanting to give up and die)
20/f/san francisco here
if anyone want to join email me
ready2diewithyou@aim.com