Even those philosophers were not fully appreciated in their time. So, by the same tangent of logic, would it be safe to say that if there were ‘revolutionary’ or ‘godlike’ philosophers in our time, that they also wouldn’t be appreciated? even considered pathetic, stupid, or worthless? It’s all about perspective, and the only way you can limit yourself is by drawing conclusions based on a limited knowledge; a limited perception
I read Ayn Rand as a teenager, read some Nietzsche as well. They were both pretty good, but I can’t remember too much of their idealisms now. Ayn Rand was all about independence and thinking for oneself and putting yourself first, if I recall properly. That was basically me right there, so I didn’t have a problem with it. Heh.
Only thing worse then claiming there is a god without proof….is calling another human a god or goddess….those people were just humans nothing more nothing less….
Aug 30th, 430 Am, falling face down in dark seawater, swallowing it, after drinking enough Ambien/water mixture to kill a few people.
more than an hour later, found alive.
taking enough anti fungal meds for 8+ months to theoretically trash my liver, it being 100 percent normal, and have the doc tell me he has never seen anything like it.
Just a couple of incidents of many over my life.
if you took the time to know the Bible and Jesus, how the Bible was even put together, its’ iner messages, and so much more out there…..
and for those of you who believe evil is real, the devil is real, well, the devil didn’t make the world, God did. God made the devil too. This world belongs to the devil and his spirits, however God does “show his face” as well.
Jesus came and gave proof (even going way back, how his birth was predicted). He showed miracles, spoke in perfection, saw to it that his church would be founded on earth, and gave all of us the hope that we can have forever lasting life once we pass from here.
Call on his name, accept you are a sinner (like everyone else is, including me). He wants that.
Do that, pray, and you will see changes, if not physically, it will be spiritually. Sometimes both.
Dude…that is not proof as it is not verifiable nor testable ….and please no offense but the bible is a fucking farce used to control people….it has so many barbaric tales and contradictions its amazing how people blindly follow it…..tell me…have you read it from cover to cover??
and that statement makes no sense…if the devil is evil….and humans are only evil because of the devil…then how do we have the choice not to be evil if this world belongs to him…also….what was the purpose in creating the devil….god knew he would turn out the way he did so what was the point?
But he knew beforehand how the devil would turn out did he not? if not then the bible is a lie because it says he is all knowing….if we were created to live perfectly why make the tree of knowledge in the 1st place why even give us that possibility of suffering…and don’t say it infringes on free will because it doesn’t….if you aren’t one of those close minded christians ….check out darkmatter2525 and cult of dusty and jaclyn glenn on youTube ….it might enlighten you
God knows all past, present, and future. How, He is God. Most of what exists, we can’t see or comprehend because we are meant to exist here in this world.
I am a “closed minded Christian” (as you put it), and I don’t bother with cults, sorry.
Ironic….you don’t bother with cults yet you are a member of one….
Its funny you don’t see the fallacy in your statement but I will point it out for you…..if god knows the future….how do we have free choice? he knows what you are going to do before you do it so how could you choose NOT to do something that he already knows you are going to do? and if he knows you are going to do it then he has to set the conditions for you to do it effectively crushing the myth of free will….
Also why put the tree there if he already knew what was going to happen….thats not choice if he KNEW we were going to do it…one might even deduce he wanted it to happen
“God never meant to keep any of us in this world forever, good or bad.”
LOL its funny you say this because prior to eating from the tree of knowledge it is said that we were immortal so if god never meant to keep any of us here one could say he wanted us to eat from the tree therefore violating freewill
If we knew god existed that would not kill freewill …….in the old testament he showed proof he existed and people still did what the hell they wanted to do so obviously it didn’t infringe on freewill
Dude how can he know the future if it is unknown? how can he know that 20 years from now without a doubt someone will kill their friend unless he sets things in motion for that to happen…he can’t 100% know something is going to happen unless he is making it happen and in that case freewill is violated
Honestly this whole bible thing is a old version of “Problem Reaction Solution”
He created the problem which nobody had any problems until god created them…
the reaction from men was all the evil and suffering in the world
and the solution was for his son to “sacrifice” himself even though he still had his life so he never gave anything up he just hung for a few hours then went back to doing whatever it was he did….to save a bunch of people that wouldn’t need saving had he not created the problem from jump
So why not at least provide proof so that he can at least say “you had 100% proof I existed” so there wouldn’t be any excuse for anybody to be evil bastards…In fact if everybody knew he 100% existed the world would be a much better place indeed….wait nevermind no it would not because humanity would demand to know why all this shit was even started in the first place and they might try to team up with the devil to overthrow him from heaven….you never know with humans….we are nuts
I really don’t know why god created us, but I know why we created god.
Everything that happened on this planet is imagination of humans including god
Proof: The basic questions which no human intelligence can able answer are, why earth has gravitational force who created it? What is that black matter around the earth?
why I born on earth and what I supposed to do?
Our intelligent ancestors think of these questions for years and years and they come up with a concept called god. This concept answers all the questions. Since questioning is in-build trait for humans, we again question on that concept. Result of that are electrons, protons, space, aliens…etc all that technology advancement.
Very few questions are remain to answer by human intelligence. Once humans acquire that knowledge, people no more believe in that concept. That is the period every human being aspire to live.
It take years to convince bunch of average humans that ” The concept of god is already dead”
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Ayn Rand denounced Nietzsche.
im god who r u?
Even those philosophers were not fully appreciated in their time. So, by the same tangent of logic, would it be safe to say that if there were ‘revolutionary’ or ‘godlike’ philosophers in our time, that they also wouldn’t be appreciated? even considered pathetic, stupid, or worthless? It’s all about perspective, and the only way you can limit yourself is by drawing conclusions based on a limited knowledge; a limited perception
I was excited by this post. I was hoping it would spark a philisophical debate.
I read Ayn Rand as a teenager, read some Nietzsche as well. They were both pretty good, but I can’t remember too much of their idealisms now. Ayn Rand was all about independence and thinking for oneself and putting yourself first, if I recall properly. That was basically me right there, so I didn’t have a problem with it. Heh.
Only thing worse then claiming there is a god without proof….is calling another human a god or goddess….those people were just humans nothing more nothing less….
God is real, but He doesnt work on our system of things, as much as we want it.
After all, the god people tend to be the ones who suffer the most.
In the next world, its the opposite.
We just have deal with it now. Its the unfortunate reality we live in.
good people, not god people. lol sorry, typo.
@WIG: can you prove it…not saying he doesn’t exist but can you prove he does?
Aug 30th, 430 Am, falling face down in dark seawater, swallowing it, after drinking enough Ambien/water mixture to kill a few people.
more than an hour later, found alive.
taking enough anti fungal meds for 8+ months to theoretically trash my liver, it being 100 percent normal, and have the doc tell me he has never seen anything like it.
Just a couple of incidents of many over my life.
if you took the time to know the Bible and Jesus, how the Bible was even put together, its’ iner messages, and so much more out there…..
well, God is real 🙂
and for those of you who believe evil is real, the devil is real, well, the devil didn’t make the world, God did. God made the devil too. This world belongs to the devil and his spirits, however God does “show his face” as well.
Its all about choices and free will.
Jesus came and gave proof (even going way back, how his birth was predicted). He showed miracles, spoke in perfection, saw to it that his church would be founded on earth, and gave all of us the hope that we can have forever lasting life once we pass from here.
Call on his name, accept you are a sinner (like everyone else is, including me). He wants that.
Do that, pray, and you will see changes, if not physically, it will be spiritually. Sometimes both.
I say that to all of you here.
Dude…that is not proof as it is not verifiable nor testable ….and please no offense but the bible is a fucking farce used to control people….it has so many barbaric tales and contradictions its amazing how people blindly follow it…..tell me…have you read it from cover to cover??
and that statement makes no sense…if the devil is evil….and humans are only evil because of the devil…then how do we have the choice not to be evil if this world belongs to him…also….what was the purpose in creating the devil….god knew he would turn out the way he did so what was the point?
I am here like the rest of you. Each one of us who posts or even comes here is suffering, including me.
Noone understands why, either do I.
However, I accept the fact that Jesus said this world is not what matters.
Accepting him as the son of God and the path to eternal life is what matters.
That doesnt mean you should go out and end it now……
I wasnt in my right mind when my wife left, but now I am.
if you read this and decide to “off” anyway, at least accept Jesus first.
He understands you more than anyone can. He knows me better than I know myself.
Pray and try it. Many people have already had changes after doing so. However, it might not happen overnight.
There is always hope in this world for you as long as you can still breathe 🙂
Just ignore my questions huh? okay then
Free will.
He didnt make us robots.
He created the devil, who also had free choice like we do.
The devil chose to rebel against God. God doesnt destroy his angels, anymore than he does our souls.
However, there is punishment for choices we shoudnt make because of our rebeliion.
Man was created to live perfectly. “We” chose not to.
Jesus came to offer us a way out of that,,,,,
but it doesnt come in this world.
Science cant prove God exists. We like everything to have “actual proof”, but God said Faith is what counts.
We have the choice not to be evil because we have free will, as God created us with it.
Animals have no concept of free will.
And yes, there is the old testament, and God did that to show us that we needed a savior, so he sent Jesus.
Did you know that was predicted way back when?
Well why would God, who created this world and us as well, not make his presence known to us by something more than just “faith” alone?
But he knew beforehand how the devil would turn out did he not? if not then the bible is a lie because it says he is all knowing….if we were created to live perfectly why make the tree of knowledge in the 1st place why even give us that possibility of suffering…and don’t say it infringes on free will because it doesn’t….if you aren’t one of those close minded christians ….check out darkmatter2525 and cult of dusty and jaclyn glenn on youTube ….it might enlighten you
God knows all past, present, and future. How, He is God. Most of what exists, we can’t see or comprehend because we are meant to exist here in this world.
I am a “closed minded Christian” (as you put it), and I don’t bother with cults, sorry.
And again, the answer to your question………
Free will. Choice.
We werent made to be robots.
He put the tree there as “the choice”.
did you realize that just about all of human suffering is due to our DNA that has been corrupted somehow?
God allowed /introduced that process after we chose to disobey him.
The first humans were made with perfect DNA.
Its not hard to understand, really.
So we’re being punished for something someone else did? What kind of bollocks is that?
(human body being flawed).
of course there is suffering for other reasons, like natural disasters, etc.
However, we all die because of DNA (if you die naturally).
God never meant to keep any of us in this world forever, good or bad.
As said, this world doesnt matter. What comes next, does.
We live in a condition that was forged long ago, yes.
Ironic….you don’t bother with cults yet you are a member of one….
Its funny you don’t see the fallacy in your statement but I will point it out for you…..if god knows the future….how do we have free choice? he knows what you are going to do before you do it so how could you choose NOT to do something that he already knows you are going to do? and if he knows you are going to do it then he has to set the conditions for you to do it effectively crushing the myth of free will….
Also why put the tree there if he already knew what was going to happen….thats not choice if he KNEW we were going to do it…one might even deduce he wanted it to happen
Think about it……
what if an alien presence came…. spaceships landed….
that would be “proof” of aliens, right?
Now how would the world be then?
God has a plan that is bigger than we can comprehend.
“God never meant to keep any of us in this world forever, good or bad.”
LOL its funny you say this because prior to eating from the tree of knowledge it is said that we were immortal so if god never meant to keep any of us here one could say he wanted us to eat from the tree therefore violating freewill
You’re still ignoring everything I’m saying without addressing it
knowing the future doesnt mean you have a hand in it, it just means “you know the end result”.
again, God didn’t make robots.
The angels in heaven had free choice like we do. Satan was one.
Life is a big test,,,,,,, choices, good or bad, It comes down to that.
Yes and not read any of too
If we knew god existed that would not kill freewill …….in the old testament he showed proof he existed and people still did what the hell they wanted to do so obviously it didn’t infringe on freewill
i was referring to modern man.
It is said that man was destined to die once he chose to rebel as satan did.
This is why satan rules this world.
And jesus came to rescue those who want to flee from that and its consequences in the nect life
Dude how can he know the future if it is unknown? how can he know that 20 years from now without a doubt someone will kill their friend unless he sets things in motion for that to happen…he can’t 100% know something is going to happen unless he is making it happen and in that case freewill is violated
people did and will do what they want.
people will have free will whether there is proof or not.
Honestly this whole bible thing is a old version of “Problem Reaction Solution”
He created the problem which nobody had any problems until god created them…
the reaction from men was all the evil and suffering in the world
and the solution was for his son to “sacrifice” himself even though he still had his life so he never gave anything up he just hung for a few hours then went back to doing whatever it was he did….to save a bunch of people that wouldn’t need saving had he not created the problem from jump
here is something to think about……
do you know astronomy?
Do you know about “light years”?
Ill assume you do.
So, here goes…
we can see back millions/billions of light years
So, that time period still exists,, to us… but in reality it was so long ago.
We cant change what we see, we see the “end result”.
We have no hand in how things happened when that light first originated from that star, etc.
Jesus came for one purpose…..
to die for us to give us the chance to “fix” the mess the devil created.
That fixing doesnt come in this world, its in the next.
ok, gtg for now, bb in a bit
need to take care of mom.
So why not at least provide proof so that he can at least say “you had 100% proof I existed” so there wouldn’t be any excuse for anybody to be evil bastards…In fact if everybody knew he 100% existed the world would be a much better place indeed….wait nevermind no it would not because humanity would demand to know why all this shit was even started in the first place and they might try to team up with the devil to overthrow him from heaven….you never know with humans….we are nuts
The devil didn’t create anything…god did…who killed more people and caused more pain god or the devil?
I really don’t know why god created us, but I know why we created god.
Everything that happened on this planet is imagination of humans including god
Proof: The basic questions which no human intelligence can able answer are, why earth has gravitational force who created it? What is that black matter around the earth?
why I born on earth and what I supposed to do?
Our intelligent ancestors think of these questions for years and years and they come up with a concept called god. This concept answers all the questions. Since questioning is in-build trait for humans, we again question on that concept. Result of that are electrons, protons, space, aliens…etc all that technology advancement.
Very few questions are remain to answer by human intelligence. Once humans acquire that knowledge, people no more believe in that concept. That is the period every human being aspire to live.
It take years to convince bunch of average humans that ” The concept of god is already dead”
page number 32
http://www.suicidenote.info/ebook/suicide_note.pdf
this is the longest suicide note ever written on earth.