My family wants to flee USA since it is being controlled by the wannabe king. I wish I could tell them to go without me since I hate living. I’m a sad, useless sack of flesh here so why wouldn’t I be a sad, useless sack of flesh anywhere else to go? Even if my consciousness was removed and put into a robot body, I know I would still want to die. I hate existing when I don’t think I ever wanted to. Looking through my past, everything I have ever done was an act of self-destruction.
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I mean but depending on where you go, do you really get away from him? In England they have Boris Johnson, I’ve heard there are similar alikes in other countries. He’s a problem unleashed on our species. I don’t think there is any use running.
We have to find our place to stand, and stand for whatever we have left to stand for. I don’t know why I feel like I was born an American, I want to die an American…… Somehow I feel stubborn on that point. I might be convinced otherwise at a later date. Even suicidality has limits.
I think the idealistic thing to do is to stay and fight, or at least resist by staying. But I know there are people whose lives are literally in peril, members of the LGBTQ+ community who have already been targeted in hate crimes, or victims of sexual abuse whose abusers are more empowered than ever knowing a legally liable rapist is running the country, not to mention people who have lost their jobs due to Trump-Musk downsizing any infrastructure they don’t understand. And then of course there are just regular people whose mental health has been on edge for years and this is the last straw, next stop: suicide.
In these cases, or in any case where quality of life is drastically impacted… what’s the line from Star Trek? “Only a fool fights in a burning house.”
To me it’s not just the people in power but the fact that the majority of Americans voted them in power. So at a certain point we have to question what we’re fighting for when more than half the people don’t want it.
Although I was raised in a drum beating “patriotic” conservative home, I’ve come to question what’s the value in patriotism? Isn’t that like sticking with a company, despite a sadistic CEO, just because you like the brand name? “America” is nothing more than a brand name to me; it has nothing to do with the founding fathers any more than Musk’s X has to do with the original creators of Twitter.
So just as I ditched Twitter, I have no problem morally with ditching this or any country that turns afoul of what I expected.
I have no plans to leave because, like the OP, it’s easier and more appealing to kill myself. But if a miraculous opportunity appeared for me to move to a better country, that just might save my life.
OOPS! In all my ranting I forgot to say: I do admire anyone who’s willing to stay and fight. Like I said upfront, that’s the idealistic thing to do, and ultimately idealism is what moves us forward. But I’m too broken to fight for anything anymore.
Oh it’s a different thing entirely if the oppertunity is being offered AND if it looks like safety is available.
Just, case study of a few places I wanted to go;
I wanted to go to Germany, who are currently facing down an election. Musk and Vance are pushing really hard to force their politics into that election. They have a far right party that is really quite scary. So would it really be smart to go there? I don’t think so, considering that it’s one of the hardest places to get into.
Then there is Finland. The upshot is that there is less of a far right threat there. The downshot is that the economy is currently in such a downturn there isn’t enough work there for the people who already live there. Again like everywhere in the EU they don’t make it easy to get in. The only real way in is to get work, which is near impossible right now.
The EU is the best bet for anyone seeking asylum. The problem is finding a host country. Asia doesn’t offer many options, nor Africa. I guess Australia might. South America is about the worst idea I can think of, given this administrations goals. There’s already a Trump like in Brazil, and I’m not confident in the other countries down there.
Meanwhile some states are working on resisting, and that seems like a more promising project. You’d be safer in one of those states than in any of the countries I’ve mentioned. My bet is that in two years the country will be so sick of Trump and Musk that they’ll lose the house and senate. Two years after that, the white house.
That’s actually a great idea to move to a Trump-unfriendly state rather than uprooting entirely (or suicide, the ultimate uprootage).
I’m already in a so-called blue state, but the attitudes here are a bit too complacent for me to feel like it’s any sort of sanctuary. West coast is the best bet because not only are they politically active in their opposition but they seem to have the economy to stand their ground.
I’ve been casually following the political situation in Germany and it’s been terrifying. If Germany caves to the hard right then it’s official: history teaches us nothing. And I would want no part of a country that forgets their own horrific past so quickly.
At least you could argue that Americans are relatively new to the whole fascism thing so maybe (I hope) you’re right that Trump-Musk will give America the bitter wakeup call it needs to swing back on track. I truly can’t imagine it going harder fascist than this, and in 4 years Trump is out one way or the other. I don’t think a mini-me Trump could carry his torch and fire up his base, so yeah… what you proposed is a very feasible outcome. It just sucks to be at political rock bottom waiting it out.
Even if Trump turns the USA into Hell, I think my main issue is the fact I despise being a living human being. I hate how I am crazy enough to understand how I hate being a living human but not crazy enough to being able to disassociate from my broken mind.
That’s the tough part about all this, realizing that even if everything gets sorted out politically and everyone’s peaceful & happy…. you’re still you. I’m still me. And I don’t particularly like me.
idk man… the state of the country and world is definitely twisting the screws so I hope you can wait before making any drastic decisions like offing yourself. It’s like being in a cranky mood and someone turns up the heat and blasts annoying music. Probably not the best time to make life-or-death decisions.