Hey there…it’s okay to want to die. Know that you are worthy of all good things though. You’re experience does not define you…you define you by what you think and feel. So if you choose to believe what you’re saying then it’s true and it doesn’t really help, does it. You can still want to die, but I’d choose to believe you’re worthy, lovely, fantastic gal. The only difference is, you don’t believe it. From my perspective, I believe it. It’s all good. Take care.
Thats not a reason to die. If you really wanna die do it knowing how much value you really have, how important you really are, and that your death is going have an impact.
I agree with you completely. There should be value in everything you do… including death. With that said… At a certain point, I may realize that there is value in nothing I do… which may have brought me to this page in the first place. Once that happens, it might be a steady, if not slow, path downhill.
When I die, the impact will be for a short amount of time. Some may grieve… but life will move forward for them. Unfortunately, it’s hard for the common person to have their death be anything more than it is. Most will not have their funeral service broadcast internationally.
You are not worthless! Please don’t believe that. And, sadly, @Duke of Marmalade, that statement is somewhat the truth. I’m finishing up my research paper right now, and the topic I chose was suicide. So now I’m reading all these statistics that make me want to just cry. As in, every fifteen minutes, someone in the U.S. fatally commits suicide. People need to care more. They need to be more aware of the people around them, and what their actions do to others. *sighs*
Statistics eventually account for for those who ‘break’ them. As different behaviors occur and the numbers are re-calculated, the statistics will change. What is statistically different today might not be statistically different tomorrow.
@Duke of Marmalade maybe that’s why we’re all here…. To break the statistics. hmmm. Interesting thought. We need to make people care. Suicide is becoming almost too commonplace now…. People are becoming immune to it, that is, if it doesn’t happen to them. Why should it matter if it doesn’t affect me? kind of thoughts…. Our generation is a rather self-consumed generation, stereotypically. 🙁 @distant.road do you have any posts? Or are you just a commentator? Just curious. Or nosy. Not sure which.
@babypanda
One day I will post… I’ve been keeping my stuff to myself for a while now… and posting my struggles in black-and-white for all to see is something I haven’t swallowed yet. To be honest, I lurked here for several months… just reading. I started writing a few days ago and that has been a release for me. At some point, I’ll post. Just not yet.
@distant.road ok. Just curious to see what you would write, from what you’ve commented before. T’is all. You know, tea is realllllllllly soothing. And warm. gah! This time change has got me rather confuzzled. Sorry, ADD happened there.
True, countingdown… Although here, it’s reported more than it used to be. Social media and technology have streamlined information sharing. In the past, when a suicide caused a road or train route to be closed, it was publicized as “police activity” or a “police investigation.” The local authorities here will confirm a suicide faster than they used to… reluctantly so… but they realize the information will get out anyway.
There was a media figure a few months ago who committed suicide… and who was well known within the community. With the permission of his family, the station he worked at used his death as an opportunity to educate the public about mental health issues and suicide.
@countingdown you made me go research them. I think, from what I’ve read, that the government just wants the portrayal of the suicides to be from a prevention viewpoint, in order to prevent copy-cat suicides. I agree that they should censor the details of the how and where, and they shouldn’t romanticize the suicides either, but they should inform people of the suffering world around them, that suicide can hurt anyone.
Yes social media has removed some of the government control, however the government is still trying to control that as well.
How can they portray the hurt that suicide can cause without letting people have the full story? If I remember from the top of my head in 2009 there were about 6000 suicides, aboiut 20 a day… Now how many of these actually were included in the papers?
Fair point, countingdown. Relatively few are included in the papers… The death / obituary may be included but often suicide isn’t mentioned. There is often content posted on social media… particularly by mourning friends and family… but some media outlets continue their long-held policies of not discussing it. I do understand some of the logic… The copy-cat concern is legitimate. However, it serves to mask the dire mental health situation… resulting in more suicides due to lack of discussion and education.
Statistics can be misleading. At an inquest a coroner has to be sure that it was the person intention to kill themselves. A cry for attention or the intention to cause significant harm is not enough.
@distant.road which is why we need to make suicide not a taboo topic. We need to make it an okay thing to ask for help if a person has suicidal thoughts, etc. Therefore preventing more suicides.
@ Duke of Marmalade – There is no doubt in my mind that suicides are under-reported for the very reason you cite. Deaths in which the coroner doesn’t establish that the person wanted to die often aren’t reported as a suicide. It may be ‘undetermined’ or something similar.
@ babypanda – I absolutely agree…. Sadly, there remains a perceived stigma by many in reaching out for mental health assets. Some people are just hesitant to reach out… They worry what their friends/family will think… or they worry if about their job finding out… or they worry what the doctor will say… or they think they can handle their own problems…. or.. etc etc etc. Until it’s communicated to people that reaching out for help is not only the ‘right’ thing to do but also the ‘expected’ thing to do, the stigma will persist. Of course, money / insurance is also another factor.. but this paragraph is already long enough.
Ya know, whenever I hear the song What Doesn’t Kill You, I always have this mini-inner-monologue saying, “You have no idea, Kelly. No idea at all. Sometimes what doesn’t kill you can just weaken you or turn you into a lifeless vegetable!” Sorry for my cynicism there….
Ummmm, if I had ever reached out I would have lost any chance at the career I used to want…. So no, as long as medicial declaration forms contain the questions have you ever suffered from depression or mental illness the stigma is always going be there. Its amazing how you don’t have to always declare criminal convictions but have to with mental health problems…
The 9000 statistic was for the UK. I am sure it is higher as who knows if a car accident for example was intentional or not….
I hear ya, countingdown… Perhaps I should have clarified… Here in the US, most positions don’t require a records check involving mental health. There may be criminal, credit, driving, and other background checks… but rarely does medical get touched. Increasingly, more companies recognize that a worker whose personal problems are being addressed is often a more productive worker. There are exceptions… but there is a huge perception that seeking mental health counseling will wreck a career. Most of the time, it won’t.
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Hi Mia… You’re not worthless… not at all! May I ask what is happening? Many people here are willing to listen. Please don’t give up.
Hey there…it’s okay to want to die. Know that you are worthy of all good things though. You’re experience does not define you…you define you by what you think and feel. So if you choose to believe what you’re saying then it’s true and it doesn’t really help, does it. You can still want to die, but I’d choose to believe you’re worthy, lovely, fantastic gal. The only difference is, you don’t believe it. From my perspective, I believe it. It’s all good. Take care.
my mom hits me and goes out 2 the bar evey morning
Thats not a reason to die. If you really wanna die do it knowing how much value you really have, how important you really are, and that your death is going have an impact.
Don’t make your death just be another statistic.
Just a statistical reminder of a world that doesn’t care.
@countingdown
“Don’t make your death just another statistic.”
I agree with you completely. There should be value in everything you do… including death. With that said… At a certain point, I may realize that there is value in nothing I do… which may have brought me to this page in the first place. Once that happens, it might be a steady, if not slow, path downhill.
When I die, the impact will be for a short amount of time. Some may grieve… but life will move forward for them. Unfortunately, it’s hard for the common person to have their death be anything more than it is. Most will not have their funeral service broadcast internationally.
You are not worthless! Please don’t believe that. And, sadly, @Duke of Marmalade, that statement is somewhat the truth. I’m finishing up my research paper right now, and the topic I chose was suicide. So now I’m reading all these statistics that make me want to just cry. As in, every fifteen minutes, someone in the U.S. fatally commits suicide. People need to care more. They need to be more aware of the people around them, and what their actions do to others. *sighs*
Kudos to me, I was right all along and the world really is crap. Anyway, statistics are there to be broken.
Statistics eventually account for for those who ‘break’ them. As different behaviors occur and the numbers are re-calculated, the statistics will change. What is statistically different today might not be statistically different tomorrow.
@Duke of Marmalade maybe that’s why we’re all here…. To break the statistics. hmmm. Interesting thought. We need to make people care. Suicide is becoming almost too commonplace now…. People are becoming immune to it, that is, if it doesn’t happen to them. Why should it matter if it doesn’t affect me? kind of thoughts…. Our generation is a rather self-consumed generation, stereotypically. 🙁 @distant.road do you have any posts? Or are you just a commentator? Just curious. Or nosy. Not sure which.
@babypanda
One day I will post… I’ve been keeping my stuff to myself for a while now… and posting my struggles in black-and-white for all to see is something I haven’t swallowed yet. To be honest, I lurked here for several months… just reading. I started writing a few days ago and that has been a release for me. At some point, I’ll post. Just not yet.
@distant.road ok. Just curious to see what you would write, from what you’ve commented before. T’is all. You know, tea is realllllllllly soothing. And warm. gah! This time change has got me rather confuzzled. Sorry, ADD happened there.
What I like are the media rules regarding suicide. The government doesn’t want it covered in the news at all….
True, countingdown… Although here, it’s reported more than it used to be. Social media and technology have streamlined information sharing. In the past, when a suicide caused a road or train route to be closed, it was publicized as “police activity” or a “police investigation.” The local authorities here will confirm a suicide faster than they used to… reluctantly so… but they realize the information will get out anyway.
There was a media figure a few months ago who committed suicide… and who was well known within the community. With the permission of his family, the station he worked at used his death as an opportunity to educate the public about mental health issues and suicide.
@countingdown you made me go research them. I think, from what I’ve read, that the government just wants the portrayal of the suicides to be from a prevention viewpoint, in order to prevent copy-cat suicides. I agree that they should censor the details of the how and where, and they shouldn’t romanticize the suicides either, but they should inform people of the suffering world around them, that suicide can hurt anyone.
Yes social media has removed some of the government control, however the government is still trying to control that as well.
How can they portray the hurt that suicide can cause without letting people have the full story? If I remember from the top of my head in 2009 there were about 6000 suicides, aboiut 20 a day… Now how many of these actually were included in the papers?
@countingdown actually, there were 36,909 reported suicides in 2009.
Fair point, countingdown. Relatively few are included in the papers… The death / obituary may be included but often suicide isn’t mentioned. There is often content posted on social media… particularly by mourning friends and family… but some media outlets continue their long-held policies of not discussing it. I do understand some of the logic… The copy-cat concern is legitimate. However, it serves to mask the dire mental health situation… resulting in more suicides due to lack of discussion and education.
Statistics can be misleading. At an inquest a coroner has to be sure that it was the person intention to kill themselves. A cry for attention or the intention to cause significant harm is not enough.
@distant.road which is why we need to make suicide not a taboo topic. We need to make it an okay thing to ask for help if a person has suicidal thoughts, etc. Therefore preventing more suicides.
@ Duke of Marmalade – There is no doubt in my mind that suicides are under-reported for the very reason you cite. Deaths in which the coroner doesn’t establish that the person wanted to die often aren’t reported as a suicide. It may be ‘undetermined’ or something similar.
@ babypanda – I absolutely agree…. Sadly, there remains a perceived stigma by many in reaching out for mental health assets. Some people are just hesitant to reach out… They worry what their friends/family will think… or they worry if about their job finding out… or they worry what the doctor will say… or they think they can handle their own problems…. or.. etc etc etc. Until it’s communicated to people that reaching out for help is not only the ‘right’ thing to do but also the ‘expected’ thing to do, the stigma will persist. Of course, money / insurance is also another factor.. but this paragraph is already long enough.
Ya know, whenever I hear the song What Doesn’t Kill You, I always have this mini-inner-monologue saying, “You have no idea, Kelly. No idea at all. Sometimes what doesn’t kill you can just weaken you or turn you into a lifeless vegetable!” Sorry for my cynicism there….
Ummmm, if I had ever reached out I would have lost any chance at the career I used to want…. So no, as long as medicial declaration forms contain the questions have you ever suffered from depression or mental illness the stigma is always going be there. Its amazing how you don’t have to always declare criminal convictions but have to with mental health problems…
The 9000 statistic was for the UK. I am sure it is higher as who knows if a car accident for example was intentional or not….
@countingdown mine was for the U.S.
I hear ya, countingdown… Perhaps I should have clarified… Here in the US, most positions don’t require a records check involving mental health. There may be criminal, credit, driving, and other background checks… but rarely does medical get touched. Increasingly, more companies recognize that a worker whose personal problems are being addressed is often a more productive worker. There are exceptions… but there is a huge perception that seeking mental health counseling will wreck a career. Most of the time, it won’t.