What if it was an obligation of your country’s government to do whatever it takes to prevent suicide. I mean in the scenario that the government would simply ask you “what would it take to keep you from killing yourself?” And they would do anything possible to give you what you need. Money, medical attention, a home, counseling…etc.. Anything logical you could think of.
My question is “would it work?” To keep you or other people from killing themselves.
And what would you tell your government you need to stay content with your life?
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Damn I was going to say “time machine” but you just had to throw “logical” in there. I don’t really know…..there isn’t really anything that can persuade me to stay…..At least not any material things and I’m pretty sure “abolishing the matrix” doesn’t fall under their definition of “logical”……hmmm…..nope I would ask them for the most potent barbiturates and 5000$……then I would pay a random person to go buy a bunch of drinks snf mix it in with one….and place it in my fridge…..that way when I drink it…technically they succeeded because I didn’t kill myself
-_- I meant “and”…not “snf”
Well I will humor you.. What if it didn’t have to be something logical?
I mean is a time machine all you’d want?
yeah….because I’d relive the good ole days a few times and then afterwords I ‘d go cock block on my dad so I don’t get born at all…..effectively ending my existence before it began
Since when it is it the role of government to interfere with peoples personal choices?
The government can’t tell me what my favorite toppings on a pizza should be, what movies/music I should like, or what I can do with my body. My body belongs to me, not them, I’ll do whatever the fuck I want and skip the “mother may I?” part.
Let me just start by saying:
This is quite an absurd concept. The chances of this happening are… infinitesimally infinitesimal. You might as well pray to a non-existent god.
But i see what you’re getting at. If you really think about what matters most… what you really care about… and then strip away all the excess BS, you can start to make a list of the few most important things, and try to focus on actualizing them.
But the obstacles are numerous and severe.
Perhaps the most important problem is the absence of the luxury of time, to spend on deep and purposeful contemplation, organization of thoughts and defining of realistic goals, and then application of effort to set the stage for success, and then set the plans in motion, and then judiciously adhere to a strict regimen of focused activities, in order to… someday… reach those goals… and then finally begin a life that includes enjoying them.
What i want most is the reduction of requirements and suffering, and access to reliable and repeatable methods, preferably of the type which can be automated, so that i may control and accelerate my own procurement of material wealth. I want to be healthy and not stressed, and i want cannabis fully legalized, so that i can grow my own (thereby preventing unknown adulteration and contamination), and enjoy it responsibly, in my own residence, or even just “near” my own residence, and/or that of others.
I don’t want to work to live a life of only working to live. I don’t like “work.” And if “work” is all my life will ever be, aside from a rare day or two of true leisure, then what is the point of spending all that effort, to gain something so miniscule? That’s not the life i want. So, what i want, is to not be forced to choose that life, or no life at all.
But it’s utterly preposterous to imagine any government would ever willingly allow, not to mention grant, such a thing.
“Since when it is it the role of government to interfere with peoples personal choices?”
Um… that precedent has long since been established.
In 1937 they decided that cultivating, possessing and consuming cannabis, even in responsible and moderated amounts, was a criminal offense.
They should not have that right, but they claimed it, and can enforce it, despite our objections. The power to kill/enslave/imprison/destroy, is very important for any government to have, or its people will revolt, successfully, anytime they cross the wrong line.
Knowing that duplicity is par for the course, first I would wonder why someone who doesn’t even know me would have such an interest in keeping me alive. If it stood to reason that I was part of anything agreeable at all then I probably wouldn’t. This world has no place for me if not to serve amusement or suffer humiliation. So to answer in kind, I would tell that government to go fuck themselves.
Harry J Anslinger was a racist. He said that “smoking weed makes Black jazz musicians feel like they can screw white women”. Oh Heavens no! We can’t have that. Make it illegal!
Not all laws are just laws that need to be followed. Do what you want, don’t get caught.
I have personally grown my own with no fear of the law..
And it was an epic time in my life!
I will grow again some day.. I swear it!
@clever-
“Infinitesimally infinitesimal”
LOL
@C4:
Right, but, i shouldn’t have to worry about getting caught. It should be legal. *period*
Yet, our government is both capable and willing to simply decide, based on completely illegitimate “evidence,” that we should be punished for attempting to use a naturally occurring plant, to enhance enjoyment of our finite lives.
In my personal opinion, anyone participating in the perpetuation and enforcing of this law, is a traitor to the U.S., and should be executed. Or worse: given the maximum pain-penalty lorax and painN and i previously discussed, for people who do horrible things for stupid reasons, or none at all. Though i suppose that “because i get a paycheck” can be construed as a justifiable reason… but i’m not sure it’s excusable.
@RT:
lol. You like that huh? 🙂
@ clevername: ***** please, you don’t actually pay attention to rules, do you?
The rules are the rules, your objective is to do what you want without getting caught.
I think this might be the secret to life.
@clever- brilliant! 🙂
I have a pop tart and I’m not afraid to use it!!
they couldn’t ggive me anything…what I want is a healthy body and a good world…nothing anybody can give
I honestly expected every single person to say that the government couldn’t possibly give them what they needed. It shows how suicide is a personal choice despite all the potential resources for medical attention, counseling and even drugs..legal and none legal. And a deep seeded urge to go against the system..it’s a natural instinct.
And it’s a natural instinct to not want help when the “help” is “unacceptable”.
When I was suicidal and anti-social I didn’t want help. I locked myself away from the world and hated it for a long time. It took actually trying to end my life a few times to realize that I’m just wasting my time if I’m not “creating” a brilliant life worth living. I know many people don’t have choices to live their lives to the fullest, so ill have to just refer to those of you who have choices and choose not to acknowledge them. I’m no model of a man worth being, but I’ve turned my ways around and found real value and adventure out there in the world. I’ve developed a taste for more and I’ve violently fought and clawed my way to the top of this precipice of my fears and I can now look out over the world to call it my home. I create what I want to see, feel, be, and where I want to go. And I am perfectly content if nothing happens at all. I can die tomorrow..it just doesn’t matter. I need nothing.. But I can create everything and anything.
I feel like I just rambled a whole lot 😐
It’s not so much about a predetermination to arbitrarily go against the system, but more that once you see that the system is so irrevocably wrong, it’s almost impossible to justify Not going against it. The only viable rationalization for doing so, is the time-tested: “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.”
If the gov’t would change a few certain things, it would have a positive impact on not just my own life and well-being, but millions of others as well. But they won’t, because they have predetermined a course of action, based on a perspective they will not allow to be swayed. They then use said perspective as “gospel,” and authoritatively oppress us, threatening us with social ostracism, financial ruin, asset seizure, and even lethal force. We are expected to lick the boot that kicks our teeth in, or be stomped into submission, and ultimately death.
My natural deep seeded urge is to resist tyranny, not “just to go against whatever system.” I feel that distinction should be emphasized.
Part of the source of my depression, is that i can’t just decide to just create a life that’s better in the ways i need it to be. It’s not even up to me to decide whether to use a naturally occurring plant material to alleviate chronic pain, lift my mood, and be an overall generally life-experience-enhancing activity.
If the option to just decide to act to make life better in the ways i want and need, were actually available, that’s exactly what i’d be doing, and would have been doing long ago. The option to create that life, is not available to me. So now what? My actions, effort, time and energy, are impossible to focus into actual changes that i want to create.
I can’t change what i can’t change. That’s the whole problem. I see “the system” as the primary contributor to those hindrances, and so, naturally, i want to go against what i feel is stopping me from creating the life i want. But it seems insurmountable.
And of course: if the “help” doesn’t HELP, if the solution doesn’t fix the problem, then the help isn’t help, and the solution is not a solution, and to waste time on such things is unacceptable. I cannot accept the unacceptable, without a boot stomping me into the ground. Hence, against the system i will remain, until it stops stopping me from living the life i want to create.
yeah….because I’d relive the good ole days a few times and then afterwords I ‘d go cock block on my dad so I don’t get born at all…..effectively ending my existence before it began
fantasy wish WIN!
On the whole I’m with CN. My problem is with “the system” so unless the government is willing to deconstruct itself and re-form in a way that doesn’t suck, there’s not a whole lot that they can do for me.
With that said, though, if they were making genuine efforts to reform, then that might give me the will to live a few more years to see if it works. I’m hopeless but I haven’t completely lost the ability to hope.
What would I personally ask for? If we’re talking the bare minimum, I would ask for a $50,000 grant to set up an anti-corruption task force aimed at the courts in (the state where I live). It’s a drop in the bucket, but since you asked, it would give me the will to live. Until the grant ran out and the fucking corrupt courts threw me in jail because I couldn’t pay them off.
P.S. This topic reminds me of the hilarious scene in Sneakers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74ocbvwam7c
Like near the end where one guy asks for “peace on earth and goodwill towards men” and the FBI guy says “We’re the united states government. We don’t do that sort of thing!”