Maybe suicide, and by extension, any death, isn’t as big a deal as we, the living, tend to make it out to be?
Maybe ‘they’ are right: maybe we really do simply need to “just get over it.”
After all, being debilitated by sadness and “wallowing in self pity,” pining away in poignant poetry, languishing in labyrinthine lament… doesn’t really make anything any better… does it? It doesn’t help you live your life, or reduce the suffering of your sorrows. It doesn’t funnel your energy into a concentrated beam of razor sharp precision, to become useful in cutting out all the parts you don’t like, and severing the ties that bind us to our own psychological prisons.
Though i suppose, like most things, a painstaking process must be processed, in order to gain what can only be achieved through experiencing those miserable miseries. You have to be miserable, to learn that isn’t what you want to be. You have to stay miserable, involuntarily, for whatever duration eventually triggers the genesis of motivation to correct it. Still further, you must try, to learn that trying doesn’t magically equate to success, and you must fail, to know the cost, and value, of your own efforts… and why they are so important.
I realize that for most of us, life is just not fair… but the truth is that we must each earn our own escape from where we don’t want to remain… and we must further earn each successful step, as well as the maintenance of successive, consecutive steps, in order to traverse the perilous paths leading… at least away from where we’ve earned the lessons learned of where we never want to get stuck again.
And most of us will not reach the idyllic destinations we can and do envision, which exist almost exclusively to provide fuel for motivation to achieve something barely comparable… yet sufficient.
But you have to move, to move. You have to start, to start.
And you have to stop “overreacting” to the knowledge that this journey has an absolute end, and that our finite time will someday expire, and relatively quickly, at that.
But… take some time to make sure you’re seeing things as clearly and accurately as possible, before you go throwing your already short life away. Some of you are clearly not developed enough, and do not have an accurate perception of reality, and so you could very well be quite wrong about how bad you think everything will always be. I can’t assure you “it will get better,” because honestly, no one can really know that, and there’s a considerable probability that it really might not get much better at all, or could even get worse. But you won’t know if you’re not here to find out. It’s better to do your best to get as close to knowing as you can, rather than overreacting to the fear and injustice that is so unfortunately so typical in this world. It’s often shocking and unbearable to realize and adjust to, for those who are lead to believe otherwise. That’s why i think we shouldn’t overreact and lie to kids, which only ultimately sets them up for a debilitating fall, upon being confronted with harsh realities. But that comes from parents who are also terrified, and often really have no idea how to face the unknown, due to not being properly prepared for it by their own parents… and so they also lack the understanding required to be able to prepare their own offspring for what they themselves lack the tools to prepare for. It’s a nasty cycle of setting ourselves up for disaster, which continues to perpetuate itself, rather than creating a new paradigm.
And that’s what i think we all need, here. We need to stop overreacting, and start focusing on courageously creating new paradigms.
When people want to exit, it’s often very sad for the rest of us… but any individual can only belong to themselves, and it is ultimately their own choice. If we cannot or will not voluntarily provide them with sufficient resources and coping tools, so that they can stabilize and come to manage this life on their own… then none of us have any right to request they continue to suffer, without our help, for our own convenience.
You should not ask another to suffer something that you, yourself, would not.
That said: i’ve never met anyone who would be willing to suffer my own life… though plenty who expect that i should do so, easily, and without complaint. Only a few other humans have ever even come close to understanding my torment… and the one who has had vastly more chances to understand, than anyone else ever has or will, is actually responsible for causing the largest part of it… and simply does not care. And i just can’t see myself ever putting that much effort into another person, ever again… wasted or otherwise. I lost… or spent, what made me worth my own effort. That part of me is broken, or has died.
The irony here is that this post is, itself, a manifestation of my own overreaction. I can’t quite walk my talk. I figured out the way to walk, far too late. But maybe my words can lead someone else to perceiving the value of that walk, before it’s too late for them to take those steps i couldn’t take.
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Great post.
I too have wondered if the “just get over it” people are right. They’re the ones who don’t want to die, right? So whatever their problems, they can’t be THAT bad… but, I conclude that they’re different from me, that some of us are made for the world and some aren’t… a lot of us on this website perhaps fall into the “aren’t” category… and perhaps some are just confused/going through a rough time.
Part of me does want to feel hopeful. I hate that part. I squash it immediately. Which I guess means I’ll never get better. I like being miserable. It’s my most comfortable state of being. I realized that in therapy. I relish treating myself like crap. I treat myself worse than the world treats me.
I’m waiting for something to happen to push me towards life or towards death and that’s apparently just like waiting for a fantasy to happen. So, here I stay in the middle. I lack the balls to kill myself anyway :\
what is your own comment about this?
Are you saying people just die because death shouldn’t be that much a concern?
Are you supporting physician assisted death?
Are you suggesting that,their are people’s who “deserve” suicide?
Are you being a nazy?/you can see
From your post,if you see closely.especialy the “exaggerate” part.by this means we shouldn’t be exaggerated about nazy’s too/
I know society is a**hole but are you saying that society should be degenerate this much?and did you think that it will ever be?
Can you tell me by your idea,which people should die?and who we shouldn’t?i will hope for a brief answer on this?
And lastely~are you from the “death deserved” or by your explanation the “death not deserved” part?why?
Are you being a pathetic atheist?
I think it’s important to make a distinction between “what they mean,” and “what i mean,” when it comes to “get over it.” I don’t think what i mean is the same thing that most people mean when they say that. Nevertheless, the words themselves can actually be interpreted in a justifiable way, as i attempted to express.
But you know, maybe death really isn’t that bad. Maybe this whole “ermagerd suicide!” thing is just a sensationalized overreaction. People have a tendency to freak out about loss.
Idk, i just felt like trying to express some stuff i was thinking.
I don’t think death in general is a big deal as much as the way we die is…like if a little girl dies from some rare incurable disease nobody is very upset however if that same girl were to commit suicide or be brutally murdered everybody loses their minds because of the way she died….but in the end the final result is the same….death.
I agree with you…those attitudes do nothing for your overall situation and circumstances but I think the opposite is also just as useless ….to be extremely optimistic and cheerful on the outside when you feel another way on the inside can work against you…if you fool yourself into a false reality then your fall will be that much harder because you were riding on a false high….at least when you’re “down in the dumps” you can’t fall any lower….I think people need to be 50/50 in order to be stable….you can’t be 100% “down in the dumps or 100% “up in the clouds” being either way will distort reality for you and make it to where your perspectives are counterproductive to anything you embark on.
“You have to be miserable, to learn that isn’t what you want to be. ”
I agree and disagree with this at the same time…. because its like the fire….now you don’t need to touch fire in order to learn that you don’t want to touch fire…you can learn from others who have touched the fire or you can realize that there is no benefit to be gained from touching the fire….but…in the same breath…. how does one know what it truly means to be burned? how can you truly know that it is painful? how would you know that it is as others tell you id unless you actually experience the singe for yourself?
“Still further, you must try, to learn that trying doesn’t magically equate to success, and you must fail, to know the cost, and value, of your own efforts… and why they are so important.”
I totally fucking agree….and I hate when parents tell kids “you can be anything you put your mind to” because that’s not true…its like they are telling them whatever you work hard enough at you will be successful in….but we know that just isn’t the case…its like they are giving them this falsely inflated self esteem that when they fail at something they genuinely worked their ass off at…they will be confused as to why they weren’t successful….because “mommy told me whatever I put my mind to I could do” ….a better and more realistic thing to say would be something like ” Try many things find out what you are good in and only apply all of your efforts where they will have the greatest outcome”….I know I sort of digressed but I just had to say that but I know what you meant though….
Are we really overreacting though? or are we merely just reacting…. I mean overreacting is …”making a mountain out of a molehill”…but are we doing that? or are we simply realizing that it was never a “molehill” begin with?…..that it was always a “mountain” and it was distorted to be viewed as a “molehill”?….just in case anybody has no idea what I’m talking about I’ll elaborate….like what if we aren’t overreacting to death but simply reacting to death…. what if death was underestimated to be smaller than it actually is so in turn our reactions look like overreactions?
Anyways great post…
I just want to add…. In the end….does any of it really matter anyways? whether we actually are miserable or not? whether we improve our situations or not?…when you’re dead you’re dead….there are no memories or rewards for being happy…..there is no regret of a pathetic miserable life….its nothing…nothing at all….a happy successful person gets the same glorious ending as a miserable failure….so whats the point? to get some few fleeting earthly pleasures that don’t really matter anyways? I mean they matter while we are here I guess but in the end we all experience the same thing…after the race is over all the cars go back to the garage the winners parked next to the losers with no distinction…
@joinel: All people should die. All people WILL die. It is inevitable. We are all mortal beings who will expire, whether we like it or not, whether we have good or bad lives, whether we are miserable or happy. Death happens to everyone, and we cannot avoid it. Maybe we shouldn’t worry about it so much. Maybe we shouldn’t freak out over someone deciding to just get on with it, and skip to the end.
If we don’t get over it, we will be stifled by an ever present obstacle and plagued with frustration and despair, for the remainder of our lives. That doesn’t sound like anything i want to experience. I’ve already had more than enough of that.
@Pain: you raise some interesting points. I suppose the “overreacting” thing was from the perspective that it seems to be sensationalized and artificially dramatized, to an extent, at least to me… people just falling out and being all theatrical over someone choosing to die… embracing the despair and sort of running with it… almost like it’s some sort of competition to see who can make the biggest, saddest, most affronted spectacle of themselves. Idk.
reading your answer reminds of me a long time,dictatorial,ethiopian president.the question i ask is very clear and brief.and i am disappointed with the answer.we will all will die.yes we will.but thinking like your first post speaks is like killing a billion years of evolution in seconds.i repeat it is pathetic.thinkers like this are the main reason why people’s are suicidal.yes and making assumptions like this in suicide site is indeed pathetic.it is like calling someone a niger in africa./where i am/.no hard feelings.but it is a total disappointment.
@clevername …. maybe that’s a typical reaction from people who are so afraid of death that they couldn’t fathom how someone would willingly choose death over this life….as far as the theatrics and the overly dramatic performance goes… I think that’s an overreaction but I’m talking about those who genuinely react with shock sadness and fear….because they fear death so much that they put enduring any earthly torture above the finality of death….”normal” people probably rarely think about death even a tenth as much as most of us do…so they haven’t reflected upon it…they haven’t weighted the pros and cons….they haven’t confronted their fears about it….they ignore it at all costs until it is unavoidable such as a funeral or suicide….
i think the above comment also tells you that you are not the only one who thinks like this.
And just to add more,yes we will all die.but the main thing about life is making a better life for the next generation.destroying sadness with happiness,destroying illness with health.but saying that we should concentrate on ourselves and not our problem is just plain disrespect for humanity.liberalism is cool but everything has it’s limits.yes everything has it’s limits.what ever we are we are still a human being and we deserve respect.
@pain
Why you don’t standup for your rights,rather than being supportive.i read your comments before and i am sure you are incomplete health.but you prefer hiding rather than fighting.may be assume yourself as a freedom fighter rather than ……..
Don’t assume this for nothing just giving my idea to a complete stranger i didn’t even know online.
@joinel: i think some of the nuance of what i want to express, is getting lost in translation.
Why should i care about a billion years of evolution? I won’t even live for 100 years. I probably will not live 5 more years. Who knows, i might not even make 5 more weeks. I honestly can’t be sure.
What i was getting at before, is that it is a quality of life and time constraints issue. You can choose to allow the sadness to dictate your experience, or you can choose to minimize or eliminate your sadness, and “get over it.” I never said getting over it would be easy, and i’m also not saying that you should get over it for the sake of anyone else. You should get over it for your own sake, because as long as you’re not over it, it’s beating you, and stopping you from making the most of what’s left of your life. Sometimes accepting things as they are and moving forward, is the only way. It doesn’t make the world less horrible, it doesn’t mean human life is worthless… it just means we don’t have all that much time, and i don’t think we should waste our time being defeated by conquerable sadness.
But, you know… i suppose some people like being sad when it’s appropriate, and if that’s what they want to do with their time, then they should do that.
lost in translation..i love that movie:)
Just to finalize things~our problem is not sadness. Our problem is the one that causes sadness.and we shouldn’t be dead to avoid it.we should be fighting it.remember their were peoples who were slaves./whether they are black or not/.but their determination and courage stop the so called “direct slaveism”.
@joinel….what? I’m not trying to be mean but could you be a little more clear? because I have no idea what you are talking about…
Well of course, as with any problem, we should go to the root or the source, to solve it. People who are best equipped to solve problems, should be heroically striving to do so. But there are some things that can’t be fixed, and some people who leap at any chance to be openly distraught by some trivial incident. It’s expected that people will be upset when someone they care about dies… but i honestly think that we should respect any individual’s personal right to decide whether they even want to continue living, and that we don’t necessarily need to make a huge big dramatic deal out of people wanting to go ahead and exit.
what we don’t understand is what is life?life is not about you,life is about the next generation.life doesn’t care about your quality of life.life care’s about what will be the quality of your offspring/on survival bases/.and we are a social species,so anything we do to anyone one way or another affects the society in whole.so making suicide legal and acceptable screws up the society in the mean time destroying the species as a whole.good for the minority but bad for the majority and the species in general.
Ahhh it’s one of Clevername’s pessimistic diatribes! Reading this makes me want to jump off a bridge! 🙁
I’m kidding. This one isn’t entirely pessimistth’ll do agree with your points here, Clevername. Naturally, I accept that death is an inevitability, and if someone should choose to make the leap sooner rather than later… I will respect their decision (although I’ll be very sad if I know them personally). On the other hand, I don’t /want/ to see anyone die, so I try to help others think more positively when I can. After all, most situations can be changed. It might take a LOT of effort, but it can happen.
I also agree with the ‘moving forward’ aspect you enunciated. I used to let almost everything get me down – world issues, other people, (and yes, our finite and ultimately meaningless existence), and so on. I’ve become a lot better at letting it all go. If I can’t change something, what’s the use of obsessing and allowing it to affect my moods? Sure, in real life I still have many concerns, but I do my best to only take them as they come, rather than creating new problems for myself by focusing on that which I cannot control.
Ugh, typos. Damn phone. *This one isn’t entirely pessimistic and I do agree with your points here, Clevernane.
Ugh.. Why do all the good conversations take place when I’m busy?! 😐
I think it’s important for everyone to come to the conclusion that they are over reacting in one way or another. But it is also important to vent. But as long as one can say.. “I’m not the only one on this earth who hurts” than reality isn’t so far off, I feel.