‘and if that liar is truly a liar, how can he claim that he is a liar?’, a liar was talking to his friend, and the friend said, ‘it shows that he is a true liar’; and the liar was free from whatever subconscious lie was still lingering to him.
because that’s what he wishes to do, but is unable to do. he wants to tell, experience or atleast put some light on truth, but everytime he tries to that he finds himself falling short (i.e. lying).
Truth is subjective. One could say to oneself: “It is impossible to find one truth; therefore, I will stay open-minded and amenable to various ideas and theories,” or, one could say, “I have searched and this is what I have found. I will accept this as my reality and seek no longer.” It seems you wish to reach the latter outcome. That is fine, but I would suggest keeping an open mindset either way. There is nothing wrong with altering one’s perspective as one journeys through life. Indeed, it is to be expected that a person’s thought patterns will experience a slight metamorphosis over time.
i seek the truth that will merge subjective with objective. its not a theory or idea, its a very existential experience. i still think i’ll know when i get it. instinctive, you can say. or it may well be an illusion too. but i don’t seek truth for myself (atleast not consciously), so i cannot satisfy for anything less that’s beneficial for me.
Did you lose it? Or was it only that you underwent a transformation? Perhaps you could no longer cling to your old beliefs, having seen that they held but mere dust and empty promises. Now you are trapped in the mire of uncertainty, when previously you were far more assured of your place in the world. Am I at all correct in this assumption?
Perhaps, then, you may attain this transcendent state as you wish. I would like to have some kind of enlightening experiences as well, and broaden my viewpoint.
yes, you are correct; only it was not belief, it was being. truth is in innocence, in not knowing. that’s the paradox of truth. i know my very being right now is dwelling in truth, but i cannot know it. the more i know i more i lose.
Hmm. Well, as Socrates said, ” I do not think that I know what I do
not know.” I am inclined to agree with that statement. If I can’t know, I will accept that.
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the liar was proxying himself with the liar in story that he was telling to his friend. (and it looks like the friend knew that)
Why do you think that someone is a liar just because they cannot define something so elusive as truth in its philosophical sense?
because that’s what he wishes to do, but is unable to do. he wants to tell, experience or atleast put some light on truth, but everytime he tries to that he finds himself falling short (i.e. lying).
Can’t he look at all the empirical evidence relating to his queries and from that create his own truth?
of course he can. but he won’t. he is not so trustful of himself.
So he seeks validation in external sources? “The more people who agree with my philosophy, the more likely it is that it possesses valuable worth”?
No, he just seeks truth. he will know when he gets it.
I never see the truth until it has departed me.
true. “Unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God”.
Truth is subjective. One could say to oneself: “It is impossible to find one truth; therefore, I will stay open-minded and amenable to various ideas and theories,” or, one could say, “I have searched and this is what I have found. I will accept this as my reality and seek no longer.” It seems you wish to reach the latter outcome. That is fine, but I would suggest keeping an open mindset either way. There is nothing wrong with altering one’s perspective as one journeys through life. Indeed, it is to be expected that a person’s thought patterns will experience a slight metamorphosis over time.
seeing the truth i lost only multiplies my desire for truth a thousandfold.
i seek the truth that will merge subjective with objective. its not a theory or idea, its a very existential experience. i still think i’ll know when i get it. instinctive, you can say. or it may well be an illusion too. but i don’t seek truth for myself (atleast not consciously), so i cannot satisfy for anything less that’s beneficial for me.
Did you lose it? Or was it only that you underwent a transformation? Perhaps you could no longer cling to your old beliefs, having seen that they held but mere dust and empty promises. Now you are trapped in the mire of uncertainty, when previously you were far more assured of your place in the world. Am I at all correct in this assumption?
Perhaps, then, you may attain this transcendent state as you wish. I would like to have some kind of enlightening experiences as well, and broaden my viewpoint.
yes, you are correct; only it was not belief, it was being. truth is in innocence, in not knowing. that’s the paradox of truth. i know my very being right now is dwelling in truth, but i cannot know it. the more i know i more i lose.
Hmm. Well, as Socrates said, ” I do not think that I know what I do
not know.” I am inclined to agree with that statement. If I can’t know, I will accept that.