I am a certified genius.
that’s a good thing and a bad thing.
I am a constant danger to myself. I know exactly how my body ‘ticks’. and I know how to make it stop ticking. I don’t need no knife or revolver I am able to use anything except the air filling my lungs. I have been planning my departure for almost 9 years now. escaping pain in it’s various forms.
heartbreak, impending failure, shame.
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what kind of pain? yea heartbreak’s a *****.. how old are you?
I am 27. all those heartbreaks happened a number of years ago
Oh, hey Mad-hatter, you did end up responding… well, I’ve never been the one to talk to about human relationship and advise related to that matter, but I’m sure somone from yesterday will see your post and respond…
One of the problems with being a genius is that, not only do you instantly know when it becomes mathematically impossible to “win,” you also see it coming miles and/or years away, sometimes before you even begin… and no matter how much smart you try to inject into the other people you encounter, the world seems to remain just as stupid and sadistic as it was before you existed… perhaps becoming even more so… and the thought of having existed and endured so much arbitrary strife and futility, only to watch as none of what you wanted to change, changed… is just unbearable. And should you choose to keep fighting the good fight(s), it’s likely that your only “reward” will be the knowing that you did all you could do, instead of giving up when you could have actually won.
it must be hard being superior to everyone else :/
Me too…
My IQ is 140. That does not make life easier — it actually makes things much more difficult. In a nutshell, the average IQ is 100 and sits in the center of the bell curve. Therefore, the number of persons with an IQ of 140 is the same as the number of those with an IQ of 60. In other words, a person with an IQ of 140 has as much in common intellectually with someone with an IQ of 100 as a person with an IQ of 100 has in common intellectually with someone whose IQ is 60 — which is borderline retarded. Not easy when you’re a kid — kinda hard to make friends when other kids say to you, “What are talking about?” So it’s not a matter overall superiority — intellectual superiority, yes — but that’s a small piece of the puzzle of life. In many ways it’s a handicap and all too often people with very high IQs are painfully aware of it. Interestingly, while I don’t give too much credence to “studies,” it has been written that while those with superior IQs (“superior” being a diagnostic term) make up 1-2% of the human population, in the U.S. they make up 20% of the number of kids in juvenile detention facilities.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the overwhelming majority of the people on this website have an IQ in excess of 120.
I don`t get it. If you guys are so smart, why not make the world better? You want to escape because you can`t find someone on the same level as you? Impossible.
The harsh reality is that physical prowess and firearms can very easily nullify any advantage of intellect. It would take the brain power of a Hawking and the body of… well, Superman, in order to single-handedly defeat all the stupidity in the world. You’d basically have to be Super Hawking, with some seriously elite hacker skills, AND, an army of fully militarized personnel and equipment. But even SuperHawking wouldn’t be able to learn the material for them, or sustain each person’s personal quest for knowledge and the most accurate possible understanding of the world.
It’s like a quote i saw, somewhere… something like “i can explain it to you, but i can’t understand it for you.”
You see, the problem is that “stupid people” are given just as much “right” to do whatever stupid thing they feel like doing, as the right of the “smart people” to attempt to counteract or avoid it.
1-2% of the population, versus everyone else?
Are you starting to get the picture of how terrible the odds are?
THAT, is why we can’t “just go make the world a better place!”
Making the world better (in all the relevant ways) requires eliminating the things “stupid people” (and sadistic people) do, to make things worse.
Also, as a minority smart person, you’d have to get a whole bunch of the “stupid people” to believe that you know what you’re doing, and will not lead them astray, for any reason, whatsoever. They have to believe you will do what’s right for them… and then you have to actually do it; i’m not sure which is the harder part.
All my life, i’ve been hassled by beings of lesser intelligence (and i can’t blame a person for the way they’re born… some of them simply lack the capacity for understanding what i would find worth communicating, where others are more deserving of criticism, since they openly shun any information that contradicts the more appealing lies they’d prefer to believe, along with the person sharing/expressing it.
These “stupid people,” do not always know they are deficient (or that i/we am/are “more advanced”), but some do, and some who do, are also very jealous of such a feature, and will actively and spitefully disrupt, often in passive ways, but not always…
But back to what i was saying:
Intelligence, even the most superior human intelligence, is simply not the whole picture; it is, as mentioned by others, only one piece of the puzzle. It’s quite easy to look around and see buff idiots thriving, simply because the physical aspects are far more widely desired; and why? Well, because there are very few top-tier minds, compared to the total population… and then people who aren’t part of that intellectual elite, tend to have knee-jerk reactions where they try to make it seem like being a genius is something i should be ashamed to admit… like i’m in some kind of… “genius closet.”
But i’m also an avid cannabis proponent, which is yet another area where i do indeed experience injustice imposed upon an abused minority.
I’m smart and i smoke weed. I’m sure that infuriates people who have never met me, and maybe have never read a word i’ve written anywhere!
So, back to what i was saying (again): we can’t just go make the world a better place, because stupid people and sadistic people exist, and there are A LOT MORE OF THEM than there are of us. And even if we could even the personnel numbers, they’ve still got us beat on military prowess.
Ideally, we would just be able to reason with them, communicating our observations and suggestions, and it would just work, for the best, for everyone… but you can’t reason with unreasonable people, and unreasonable people want to keep most of the world “functionally stupid,” so that they can continue slaving their lives away, for the benefit of tyrannical oppressors, without being able to figure out how to do anything about it.
Hi clevername; Despite the fact that we all need oxygen, sustenance, and share other common needs to survive as humans, we’re also individuals who each have our own motivational drivers propelling us forward. If you were able to assemble a crack commando team of sharp shooting genius body-builders to “make the world a better place”, chances are your elite group would harbor ideological differences regarding what constitutes Utopia, and what the best methods are for implementing and maintaining a perfect society.
All you can do is focus on you. Try to make things palatable before the inevitable arrives, and do your best not to let others drag you down.
By the way, you’re in my all time top #500 of favorite suicidal pot heads. Glad to know you’re still alive.
Oh hi. Thanks. 🙂
(i haven’t been using the subscribe/follow/notify feature…)
Honestly, i am quite confident that if i had the power to do so, i could indeed devise a fundamental set of universal truths and rights to be afforded to all humans (and would even include all animals in some of them).
The fundamental clause of this proposed, eventual global contract, has been repeated on this site and elsewhere, for a very long time:
Do not cause undue harm to anyone or anything; people are allowed to do whatever pleases them, unless they harm someone (which includes property damage and non-physical harm, like fraud and theft).
Anyone who disagrees with the principle of everyone being fundamentally entitled to non-outwardly-destructive behaviors… should not be afforded those rights!
If you think i shouldn’t have the right to smoke weed and be free from persecution and disproportionately severe penalties (or any at all, for that matter)… then you are welcome to self-impose such a restriction upon yourself; Not others.
Anyone who disagrees with fairness, justice, reason, logic… would basically be labeled “a man without a country.” We might even go as far as to establish a completely anarchical colony, specifically for those people who do not promote fairness and appropriate treatment of others. If they want to live in that colony and make it whatever they want, fine. But as soon as they begin to attempt to overthrow reason, justice and fairness, they will be severely punished; because that is a severely detrimental offense! (which is being committed by countless millions of government servants, as we speak; we need to literally fire all of them, fix the laws, and ban previous servants from ever wielding power again… maybe even make them publicly apologize for their heinous actions, one by one… like some kind of post-revolution reality tv show!)
I dare the world to give me the chance to make all the adjustments i think it needs. I am almost completely certain i could prove myself worthy in the process. It’s just that i can’t do it all by myself, and it’s hard to convince even intelligent people that any single person could exist, who could understand enough about enough of the world, to actually be capable of configuring a “best case scenario” environment that is maximally fair and just, to the greatest amount of people who actually deserve fairness and justice, while also correctly identifying, even appropriately penalizing, those who should be considered “part of the problem.”
When i get angry enough, i think they should all just be executed; their crimes tally in the thousands, individually, and the billions, cumulatively. Should we just forgive them? I think we should at least make them earn their forgiveness… but it would be fair to give them a chance to correct themselves, prior to imposing any punishment. This is a privilege they currently do not give us.
I could do it better. Won’t be perfect, but better is better, and i could not only do most of it myself, but would also know how to pick the right people to help me with the things i’m not qualified to make decisions about.
Meanwhile, yes, all i can really do is try to focus on myself and make my own life as less-bad as possible, until the inevitable.
But just imagine… and let it feel good for a few minutes, to think of how rapidly and drastically the entire world could improve, if the right people were allowed to make decisions to implement the necessary changes, but without obstruction from sadistic tyrants. During your few minutes, consider the fact that i’ve been contemplating exactly these types of things, for the vast majority of my life (estimated ~25 years of the cognitive maturity required for such ponderings).
I’m a year away from being old enough to run for president, too. ^^ (now let’s get me several billion dollars worth of funding…)
I literally took an IQ test and the result was that i had an IQ of 75, do you really think IQ tests are valid measurement of cognitive capacity? Idk if you come to SP you probably have an IQ around mine
y’all should join MENSA so you can sit around with old white guys and feel better than everyone else :O
eh, i’m probably just jealous of your intellect to be honest. intelligence is an admirable quality.
I have the IQ of a potato and am really jealous of people with high IQ`s. I guess I am just confused why it makes life harder. If you are intelligent, isn`t that a major advantage and allows you to survive in life?
*Not in America
Ook ook
I don’t see why people parade around spouting their superior intelligence, yes it’s an intrinsic characteristic that you should be proud of but not everyone needs to know and it doesn’t validate you any more than a person lesser intelligence, sorry to tell you. A person that can draw better than you doesn’t go around saying “I’m a better artist than 90% of people!” because it’s irrelevant and is just a talent you have, it is not any more significant than any other aptitude. Sit down, please.
@5 seconds of stendarr You’re IQ isn’t 75. I’ve taken a real IQ test (administered by a psychologist) and scored 92 when sleep deprived, which is supposed to be normal but I’m completely useless and everywhere I go people call me an idiot/retard/moron etc. They are indicative of a person’s general level of intelligence (low, average, or high) and other factors should be taken into consideration such as the person’s adaptive behaviours. They’re also skewed by education. I had 17 years of education and worked with words and numbers all through school, how’s it fair on someone who’s more practical and never tried at school? I am an idiot but I stuck through school no matter how hard it got and that’s why it doesn’t show I’m mentally retarded. Try telling that to a psychologist though, regardless of her own IQ.
I feel as though I have an equivalent level of articulation and comprehension as you but my IQ score attests otherwise, IQ tests (which are separated into different types of logic, my spacial logic sucks) measure how quickly a person can learn but it does not measure the level of which a person can understand concepts or how aware they are of the world around them. People of a lesser IQ do not experience life through a clouded lens that makes them oblivious to circumstances and reality, your pain is not any more valid than anyone else’s, sit down
I don’t agree that it’s something to be proud of — it’s just an intrinsic characteristic, as you point out. Furthermore, no one who is as articulate as you are, 5 seconds of stendarr, has an IQ anywhere near 75. And mel003, yes, many persons with high IQs have done a great deal of good, but many also have been responsible for tremendous suffering. So “making the world a better place,” in my opinion, requires much more than intellectual capacity. In fact, intellect may be wholly irrelevant. But to be snotty in response to my comments certainly makes no sense, nor is it kind when I said nothing about any correlation between a having a high IQ and being a superior human being. If I’m not mistaken, I said something to the contrary.
@Disenchanted
I’ve taken official cognitive tests to apply for my IEP in high school and my scores were not significant on any level, I don’t believe I have a higher IQ than the average person yet I’m just as sentient as those of a high intelligence.
@Counting
what?? but the IQ test I took was online and free?? they can’t lie, that’s against the law
You must be thinking of Dr. Oz — he’s the authority on everything.
If you have an IEP, then (again, just my opinion), those standard psych-ed evals and IQ tests are completely, totally, unreliable and a bunch of bullshit. Don’t even get me started — my kid has dyslexia and we’ve been through the ringer with the schools.
and yes, i am a “special needs” child lol
Stephen Hawking was once asked if he knew what his IQ was. He quipped “only losers boast about their IQ”.
I tend to agree with him. Bragging about your IQ is like telling everyone how long your wiener is.
And my kid has a “learning disability” because the best educational methods for her do not include filling out worksheets. Three years at one fancy school and she was still illiterate. One month at the school for kids with dyslexia and she was reading a year below grade level. Now she’s a child actress and can pick up any script and rock the audition.
Gosh, I’ll have to do an on-line IQ test, never done an IQ test before, I must know if I can finally have something to boast about or something else to keep quiet about.
You’re wonderful just the way you are, nias.
I don’t see anyone bragging here, Phil McLoven, but I do see someone who is on a suicide chat room and posted an initial statement about his genius and his suffering. I also see hostility where none was invited or sought. Perhaps those people who have nothing compassionate to add to this string should comment elsewhere
If your IQ puts you in the top 2% of measurable human intelligence, and you feel compelled to share this information with others, if that’s not considered bragging then what would you call it?
Self-aggrandizement? Ostentatiousness? I’m just curious. Please enlighten me, genius. 🙂
Phil McLovin, I have never seen you post anything but snide, unoroductive remarks anywhere on this forum. Not to be blunt…but I’m being blunt. What exactly do you hope to achieve here? You’re being enigmatic.
I don’t really think Madhatter was being self indulgent… and now nobody responded to his post in a way relating to him anyway -.- Just ” Oh yeah, genius? ” No one here is responding to him beyond this b.s. Now he has to defend himself… as if he’s going to respond -.- I’m sure some of the off base people on here would be utterly delighted if he actually dropped a comment inrto this bowl of pirhanas… just to ‘dick off’ and cause more obfuscation. -.- I agree woth counting down the years, who’s bragging? All these comments left by you ‘post murderers’ are just kind of subtly transgressive here…
Actually, takeeverything, there’s nothing subtle about several of the comments here. They are, by design, hostile, hurtful, demeaning, and intended to incite. On a website designed for those who are choosing between life and death, there is a profound irony and almost criminal element to those posts. This is why I dropped out the conversation — what should be a safe place became a cesspool, and quite quickly at that.
Yes counting, I feel sad that the reason for this site has been lost in this post, to help and console, in a rush to put others down. I always worry how my comments will be taken by others on here before I post.
Yes, but they’re sensitive, I had to be respectful of their feelings even though they weren’t doing the same in a ‘subtle’ or -negligent- way, one could say, perhaps? Tiptoeing aroung the jab is not not making a punch, it’s still fucking being a cock.
Lol, kind of fizzed out at the end there.
I must always remember that I’m not just posting to anyone but to a person in difficulty and possibly about to commit suicide, it exercises the mind before I click the post icon.
why does his genius matter?
…because (my angle on this; i have studied “a bit”)…
persons with superior intellectual “capacity,” tend to also exhibit indications of hypersensitivity, and are often “gifted,” in that they possess some seemingly innate and intuitive understanding of any particular thing (often a musical instrument, or perhaps carpentry, or any other type of highly-intensive artistic type thing involving lots of ineffable nuance…)… they seem to just pick it up and almost immediately demonstrate proficiency. I did this with various things, guitar being the primary one… which i only finally lost the desire to play anymore, a couple years ago, during what has become the worst and most prolonged and debilitating depressive experience of my entire life.
This “hypersensitivity” link, i think, is also connected to the notion that a “genius” (or simply a “gifted” individual) is actually involuntarily processing exponentially more “data” or “information” from the stimuli sensed by their senses.
It is also connected to a concept called “positive disintegration,” which, in simpler terms, is essentially “realizing the world is unacceptably configured, has emphasized wrong values, is ultimately a giant lie, and then deciding that you will not, cannot be part of that, because any number of things that normal people consider “normal,” are seen more clearly by the gifted, and are instead seen as abominations of society.
It is somewhere in the middle of “positive disintegration,” when crisis erupts, and the person is confronted with a harsh and difficult choice: integrate with unacceptable society, or, maybe end up a recluse, or worse, homeless and starving to death, or dying of exposure. During this phase, suicide becomes a significant factor, as a potential alternate choice, reserved for when all other possible choices are unacceptable, and no recourse can be had.
People either get over it and “fall back,” reintegrate with the detestable society… or find a way to remain separate from society, without having to completely avoid it… or CTB!
Reintegration can destroy a person who cannot accept a life of false compliance with the status quo. Likewise, the inability to reintegrate with that same unacceptable society, can be equally detrimental.
Those who make it past that particular phase, into a manageable environment/life-configuration, usually go on to prosper, and have already attained fulfillment by merely existing outside of the unacceptable but endorsed norms. Those who can’t get through that middle nasty part, either end up trapped in a tormented life of reintegration, or dead… or in prison.
1) increased sensitivity allows (punishes?) us to “feel more” (and/or “think more”)
2) increased capacity allows us to rapidly understand and co-process many things at once
3) a sensitive “circuit” being run at max capacity, 24/7/365… is going to wear out; especially if it’s also being abused, not just run a max capacity with perfect form and controlled situations.
It’s almost as if “other people” leap into our heads (because we are too sensitive and have trouble blocking out stuff that bothers us) and “drive it like they stole it.” And really, when someone imposes themselves upon you, corners you, forces you to produce inaccurate or underdeveloped answers you’re not ready to give… that’s exactly what’s happening: they’re driving your Mind and your Time, as if they’ve stolen it; because they have!
So anyway, that’s “why genius matters.” Without a suitable environment, being a “genius” (and thus, very different from most people) is a huge social disadvantage. With a suitable environment, these same people will almost effortlessly excel, in almost any endeavor.
And that’s always been my problem: i was never provided a suitable environment when it was still my parents’ responsibility to do so, and, carrying all the damage caused by that realm of stuff, i have not been able to establish a suitable environment for myself, by myself.
I got a great personal nature-hand-deal, but a… quite suboptimal nurture-hand-deal.
At least, *i* think i’m pretty great, in some/certain ways (and that doesn’t imply “in all ways”).
Aren’t we supposed to be telling depressed people to value themselves?
If someone is a genius… but is also depressed/suicidal… why should anyone have a problem with them sharing that potentially relevant fact?
Maybe instead of gasping in aghast appalled horror, every time anyone expresses acknowledgement of some particularly valuable trait of theirs… (like, for example: “i am a certified genius”)… maybe instead of lambasting a suicidal genius for mentioning his gifted intellect (probably because he thought it was a relevant character trait, and probably Not because he was trying to brag or impress anyone)… we should perhaps encourage him to value that about himself (or any other thing he may value about himself).
If you’re a genius, and you know it… acknowledge yourself, for yourself, because lots of people will try to make you believe “you’re no better than anyone else,” when in fact, you do possess specific traits and characteristics that indeed are, by definition, “better.”
Although, i suppose i might argue this the opposite direction, had he come in here professing a top 1-2% penis size.
I think it’s pretty obvious that “most” or “typical” women, tend to more highly value and prioritize penis dimensions and physical appeal, above the appeal of an impressive intellect, but combined with an average or non-impressive physique. I haven’t found one to prove me wrong yet, and only one has even tried… and well, that didn’t turn out well at all.
Idk, we’re all just animals anyway.
Some people are smarter, some people are stronger, some people are faster, some people are bigger… or have a more appealing shade of whatever color, or… there’s a bunch of things.
But i do agree that “genius” tends to be a big deciding factor in many scenarios, especially anything related to depression. But i also think “it doesn’t take a genius to see…” that so much in this world has been made so wrong, and stayed so wrong for so long, by so many people who simply made choices to benefit themselves, regardless of the cost to others. I bet even Forrest Gump could see that: “stupid is as stupid does.” If stupid does something awesome and amazing, then stupid was awesome and amazing in that situation. By the same token, “smart is as smart does.” I could justifiably call myself an idiot, over a few specific stupid things i’ve done… (and it would have even more credence, because a smarter person should know-better, better than a less smart person… and so the same stupid action could be valued much more detrimentally for the highly intelligent person, where it might not be outside expected deviations, for a normal person)… but honestly, i have not done very many stupid things in my life; i’ve always known better than to do most of the things i see others harm themselves (and others) while doing.
Maybe the answer is as simple as this: it matters because he thinks it matters.
Can we just take a fact as a fact, sometimes, and not break out the torches and pitchforks every time anyone realizes some part of themselves is technically superior to that part of “other people?”
Why is it only okay to acknowledge certain advantages in certain situations, but is considered “rude” outside those constraints?
Clevername, you rock!
I personally don’t think someone’s IQ has any real bearing on depression and suicide, the idea that just because someone has a high IQ means that they spend more time contemplating their navel isn’t right, life throws shit at people regardless and anyone is vulnerable. I left school with little to show for it in qualifications and have had a life of struggling.
5 seconds of stendarr — it matters to him, and that’s all that’s important with respect to what he’s going through right now. I wrote in response so he would know he is not alone. Others wrote only to criticize and to opine on a matter that was probably not intended to be fodder for discussion or debate.
Google Grady Towers The Outsiders.
I cannot post links because links are considered spam. Just go to the first entry. It explains the problems of the gifted.
Maybe the OP has genuine problems. He just didn’t choose the right way to express himself (“certified genius”).
Thank you for your gentleness, TormentedSoul.
It’s always interesting to me when people make assumptions regarding other people’s motives. The one who’s speculating may or may not be correct in their guess regarding the underlying motivational driver(s) that propelled a person to behave as they did, but ultimately the one making an assumption is simply making an assumption without any sort of credible evidence to back up their claim.
I find this attitude prevalent in police officers, preachers, judges, politicians, and others who believe that the world should operate how THEY want it to, and not how the world actually works.
Just an observation.
“We can’t control what other people think, do or say. We can only control how we react. I don’t think it’s possible to get through to some people. Whether they’re willfully ignorant, stubborn, incapable of considering an opposing point of view, or just plain stupid – with some individuals, any attempt to get them to recognize the consequences of their actions will be an exercise in futility. My approach in dealing with these types is to avoid them as much as possible. If someone is toxic to my well being they become dead in my eyes. That probably sounds harsh, but there are people on this planet who aren’t worth knowing.” — Phil McLoven
Yup. Works for me.
Oh wow. I’m being quoted now. My dream of becoming a published author has finally come true. Who knew dreams could come true on a suicide site? Thanks, Counting Down the Years.
I’m not planning on doing any public appearances or book signings, but if you’d like to form a fan club I won’t stop you.
People come here to seek help, and if it is not evident that they are trolls we should either be supportive or say nothing (or at least wait before we say anything).
The OP could also suffer from a “superiority complex” (a psychological defense mechanism in which a person’s feelings of superiority counter or conceal his or her feelings of inferiority – Source: Wikipedia). These are all assumptions of course, but thinking that he is just arrogant is also an assumption.
The reality is that we don’t know him or his motives for his statements based on only 1 post, so we can only make assumptions.
At the end of the day when people for example come here only once and only post 1 good-bye message we don’t even know for sure if they are genuine… or trolls, but we must try to trust one another because sometimes comforting words can save lives here. And if we comfort a troll who posts a good-bye message and laughs his/her **** off reading our responses there is nothing we can really do. 🙁
Yes, any post must be regarded as a cry for help in one way or another but sometimes threads do seem to take a life of their own, but you’re right, we should always ensure good advise and comfort is given where necessary.
What i don’t understand is: why is everyone so unwilling to consider that the dude may actually be, literally, a “certified genius?”
Why is that so difficult to swallow? Why should it be unacceptable to either Be a genius, or to Say so? My counter to the unwarranted defensiveness, is as thus:
UMADBRO?
YOU JELLY?
And that’s another thing!
When/How did it become “wrong” to experience the very normal human emotion of jealousy? Isn’t it EXTREMELY NORMAL to feel “threatened” by someone who is discernibly “better than you” in some potentially relevant way?
Are people trying to say that it’s wrong for a legitimately better person to claim themselves as such, and then, for the legitimately lesser person to feel threatened by the presence of a better option than themselves, to feel jealous, or to feel like that better person would most likely always be picked or chosen first, for anything that lesser person might want… but the lesser person, A) shouldn’t feel lesser, and B) shouldn’t feel that their potential for livelihood is reduced, by the presence of a legitimately better person/option?
One of the problems i see around here (and most everywhere else too), is that lots of people are busy parroting common misconceptions (though probably not intentionally), telling each other how they’re allowed to feel, while at the same time, decrying the injustice of anyone attempting to impose similar constrictions upon themselves.
Ugh. It’s so… paradoxical/vicious-cyclical-ish.
I would like a way to bring people’s attention to their own hypocrisy, so that they can either self-correct, or ask for the right kind of help… but without them becoming defensive over the word “hypocrite.”
Lots of people are hypocrites; only some realize it.
Even i, have caught myself being hypocritical once or twice. Can everyone else perpetually monitor themselves for valid reasoning, logic and rationality, like i do, because i think i should? Or am i just a little superior to everyone who doesn’t bother to “check themselves before they wreck themselves?”
Blahhhhh blah blah blah blah… (i’m just annoyed and frustrated, and for various reasons, most of which are not related to this site or discussion)
Yes then, ok I’m jealous, I’m on the other side, I’ve lived in the shadow of my older brother who got the qualifications, the good job and good life, he’s the achiever, while I got nothing. I’m happy for him of course, but it’s not wrong to be jealous even if I feel it is inside, I’m jealous of so many people as I hate myself as I feel I have little or no worth.
PS, I do have a great respect of people with high IQ’s, growing up in the UK, one of my heroes was the inventor Sir Clive Sinclair who has an IQ of 154, even if he did make a mistake with that electric car.
You guys are awesome.
It has nothing to do with jealousy. It’s more of being turned off by people who lead with what they consider to be their defining or best traits.
“Look at me. I have huge tits”.
“Look at me. I’m rich. My car costs twice as much as your house”.
“Look at me. I’m in a position of power and I can make your life hell”.
“Look at me. I’m way smarter than you and I’ll always be superior to you”.
There’s nothing wrong with being a genius, but if you are, instead of announcing your superiority to the world, how about demonstrating it instead? Let other people figure out how smart you are before shamelessly promoting yourself with a comment like “I’m a certified genius”. What’s the point in doing that other than attempting to impress upon others how “superior” you are? If you really are that great, why do you need to convince others of what you already know?
Oh wait.
“I’m so special that no one else could possibly ever understand me”.
Maybe that’s why Jesus committed suicide.
well, what else should they lead with? Their flaws? I’ve tried that, it doesn’t work well. People tell me “focus on your good qualities.” If i had to make a list my “good qualities,” you bet “intelligence” will be at the top of the list… but only because it’s a broad term which encompasses many of my good qualities. Unfortunately, i don’t have the most sought good qualities, so i have to be the one to maintain my own self respect and self worth, because i don’t have anyone credible or qualified in my life, to repeat such words and actions in a way that i would actually value. If my mom says i’m great, well, she’s mom, she’s supposed to say that (although mine actually means it, so nya nya nya? but she’s also unbearably annoying at times…).
A human being is not a singular, homogenized unit of “superior or inferior.”
As i’ve repeated many times on this site (and others), various aspects can have different quality ratings. Some people might have an extraordinary strength attribute, but low intelligence, where others might have extraordinary intelligence, but low strength. Yet others might have amazing amounts of dexterity or stamina, but average-ish strength/intelligence.
Stop interpreting my expressed respect of my own predominant best feature, as peacocking, gloating, bragging, or any “absolutist” measure of the word “superior.” It literally just means “better.” If person A is smarter than person B, then yes, person A is INTELLECTUALLY BETTER AKA SUPERIOR. “Superior” is not a bad word.
And!
Why use the trendy buzzword “shameless self promotion?”
Should i be “ashamed” promote myself?
If i don’t promote myself, who will? Am i expected to just wait around for the world to decide to adore and endorse me, after i’ve somehow managed to not die of starvation in the years during which i’ve been shunned and utterly disregarded as if nonexistent?
How can anyone have a problem with the statement “i am a certified genius,” if it is stated by a certified genius? That would be like being upset that a black person admits being black! Or upset that a woman admits having a vagina!
HOW DARE THEY BE WHAT THEY ARE, AND SAY SO! The Nerve…
“If you really are that great, why do you need to convince others of what you already know?”
And so, why, then, should he be expected to demonstrate, like some kind of circus stunt or parlor trick, which requires far more energy than merely stating it with a few keystrokes…?
If he shouldn’t be expected to “prove it,” because he shouldn’t need to “convince” anyone of such a thing, if it’s actually true… then why is it a problem that he merely made a statement, rather than doing multiple backflips in order to “prove” to everyone reading this suicide site, that he is indeed “officially” a certified genius?
He probably thought (like i already said…) “this is relevant.” I’m almost certain there was zero intention of self aggrandizement. Jealousy is the only potential answer that fits in the blank, to serve as a basis for motive to take offense at someone claiming to be something you can only wish you were.
But you said you’re not jealous (and since it was a single statement made anonymously by someone on the internet… why should anyone be jealous?), so…
But i already explained “the point in doing that” (stating “i am a certified genius”). The point is that HE THINKS IT’S RELEVANT, AND I AGREE, IT LIKELY IS. People like me (and possibly the OP) get hassled incessantly, just for understanding and appreciating the value of our own genetic advantage. If you want to be mad about that, you can also go ahead and be mad at all blacks and all females too, because they do the same exact thing: state they are something that they believe is true, or want you to believe is true, so that they can at least somewhat manipulate your opinion of them, and ultimately, your actions, through that opinion link. If you care what they’ll think of your actions, you’ll refrain from or pursue things you otherwise wouldn’t, based on how you expect them to react to any particular thing.
We’ve already had arguments about my own intellect in the past… i’m satisfied that enough people, most of whom i learned to respect, through intense and repeated discourse, think of me as “very intelligent.” I don’t even like mentioning “IQ,” because people get panty-bunched… but i can identify with the position that being a “genius,” or at least “intellectually gifted,” is indeed a relevant factor in almost every moment of my life, and is certainly deeply entwined with my depression. If i wasn’t smart enough to know, that, despite my “superior” intelligence, i still do not possess what most females seem to want (regardless of whether it’s what they say they want…), which makes me laugh at the curse of my own brilliance. It’s almost completely useless, because depression has destroyed my body, and my mind feels like it’s… i feel like i just don’t see any justification for pouring energy into complex contemplation and mental striving, just to say the perfect words that it seems most people have already decided not to understand.
Most of the time, it’s not that people “can’t” understand… but more that they don’t want to, because new understanding might upset their cozy little dreamworld they’ve built around themselves, to help them forget about how terrible the real world actually is.
So sure, nothing wrong with being a genius… but apparently, everyone who isn’t a genius, has a problem with the genius actually saying “i’m a genius.” I’m pretty sure that counts as hypocrisy, which i just finished mentioning in my previous post. It’s okay to be a genius, but not to say you are one? And it’s the non-geniuses inventing this ridiculous constraint? lol. That’s kinda like how all the prejudiced white idiots actually believed the propaganda film “Reefer Madness!” Which is the only reason cannabis prohibition maintains Any semblance of social acceptability. People still think it causes psychosis and interracial fornication! And what’s worse, is that it’s been like 80 years since then, and some people just refuse to encounter or absorb new and valid knowledge, because they are apparently more comfortable believing in “devil weed,” and feeling justified for endorsing, supporting, perpetuating, funding the organizations who abuse and even murder innocent cannabis users.
Anyway, yeah, being in ANY minority that is consistently subjected to undue hassle+, is certainly depression-relevant. Definitely. Even if he’s just embellishing, and is merely “highly intelligent,” and not actually a “certified” genius. Or maybe he’s not lying; why lie? Here? Now? Why that lie? Why not some other more “suicide appropriate” lie? This is the internet, we can say pretty much anything, and most of us can retain some semblance of anonymity… so what would be the potential benefit from a bunch of suicidal folks on a suicide-based website, believing (or merely being told) that this person is a genius?
Hi clevername; Sorry for the delayed response, I was listening to music.
I’m prejudiced against people who believe they’re superior to others and feel the need to assert their dominance. Maybe someone is smarter, stronger, they shoot better pool, they’re better at shooting a gun, whatever. I dislike the superiority complex. If you know you’re awesome, be awesome, but stop trying to impress others with your grandiosity. “Show me, don’t tell me”.
I like you. You left a long comment, but I rarely read past the first five lines. Unless you’re able to keep it more concise….well, sorry. I’m only responding to you first paragraph.
I love you in a heterosexual, totally platonic sort of way. Goodnight, babe.
lol, right on, i understand.
Also, i was sleep deprived and missing whole words… i cringed several times while rereading what i submitted. Egh.
I’m usually one of the first to defend people’s prejudices, when appropriate, because “people are people, and will do as they do.” People develop prejudices for various reasons, through various means, and i DO understand the feeling of being… very annoyed, i guess, at people who seem to walk into a room and announce themselves the best person in earshot.
If people should be allowed to feel or believe whatever they want, then we shouldn’t go around telling them their prejudices are unacceptable; we’re supposed to be “tolerant,” right? So let’s also tolerate a person’s prerogative to reject tolerance of something they find intolerable. It’s starts folding inward upon itself, and isn’t really sustainable without fundamental standards of what is or isn’t tolerable, and what should or should not be tolerated. We are currently expected to tolerate many intolerable things that we should not. But if we go around telling people what they’re allowed to expect, that makes us hypocrites, sort of (but not necessarily in a bad way, and certainly not the worst ways).
As with other similar personal principles of mine, i tend to default to giving people the benefit of the doubt, unless i have reason not to. I have no reason to believe that a tentative acceptance of the potential truth of the statement (“i am a certified genius”) will lead to any detriment… so, hey, why not? It’s not going to cause any problems if we tentatively accept that statement as “true.” And it won’t cause any significant problems for anyone, if we discover it’s false, and have to correct our previous *tentative acceptance of the truth of a statement that was later revealed to be false.
People talk about tolerance and acceptance… i practice it. (but a curious issue is how when anyone says “it’s not fair,” people LOVE to respond with “well life isn’t fair!” as if that somehow helps anything. “Life isn’t fair” IS THE REASON TO TRY TO MAKE IT MORE FAIR FOR THE GREATEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE. So hey, life ain’t fair, let’s make it more fair, by being fair to both ourselves and others, regardless of any disagreement or prejudice. Right?
I was just defending the possibility that, maybe the dude is actually a certified genius, and maybe he had no intention of using it “that way,” but merely mentioned it because he thought it was relevant. Dude’s probably pretty messed up, and might have struggled to find words… so in introducing himself, he opened with what he feels is his most relevant character trait, which i don’t think is a bad thing (and may in fact not be his most relevant trait, but was listed first, due to his own self-assessment).
It’s also okay to be jealous if you notice someone is “better” in any particular meaningful way (and it’s up to the person themselves, to decide which particular ways are meaningful/important).
One of my problems is that too many of my thoughts require what becomes an uncomfortable amount of verbosity for most people. Even i don’t like to read walls of text… but i can’t deny i kinda enjoy writing them. I try to keep things “more concise,” but my mind just explodes with things i want to say, anytime i encounter any topic about which i become impassioned.
Being a “genius” myself, i couldn’t help but identify with what i interpreted the OP to mean. And look, what we’ve gone and done: exactly as the self-proclaimed “genius” would expect: made a big deal out of his declaration of “genius,” rather than attempting to pick his brain and expose the real issues so we can help him attempt to resolve them.
^this is why i dislike ever mentioning my own mental prowess. People get upset with certain truths spoken, and i really just abhor dealing with upset people… especially if they are upset because of something they don’t want to understand, and seem to act as if they believe a tantrum will prevent what they do not want to accept, from being “true.”
It’s funny how so many issues i’ve encountered, are linked, interwoven, as if some sort of tapestry, or… “fabric”… like “the fabric of society.” Which becomes “the world is fucked, and doesn’t want to allow me to live my life, simply because i want to do things differently and IMO better than what i see others doing.”
7 billion other people resisting your changes, is a whole hell of a lot of resistance, and generates far too many obstacles, even for a “certified genius,” because, like i already mentioned: “i can explain it to you, but i can’t understand it for you.”
I also like this one: “if i agreed with you, then we’d both be wrong!”
Or this one: “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.” (although you can damn sure run it until it’s thirsty! which counts as “manipulating the subject and its conditions, in order to increase the appeal of the choice you want them to make, thereby increasing the likeliness of the subject choosing it.)
Actually I think many of us (particularly those posting here) might be friends in High IQ groups. 🙂 So definitely nothing against what the OP says. It is just the way he says it that might have put some people off.
I have no future.
It could be argued that none of us “have” a future, because we’re not there yet; we will never be in “the future,” because “future” describes a point in time at which we have not yet arrived; it’s a moving target, and is always at least a day away… but since we cannot escape “the moment of now,” we will only ever be in “now,” and will never enter “future.”
It could also be argued, similarly, that none of us “have” a past; the past has already passed, it is over and gone, aside from our memories of experiences, and the scars we still wear from them.
All any of us really “have,” is Now.
You have Now. Do something you want to do with your own Now; keep doing that until it goes away. ^^
Tsk tsk, lol, intellectualizing in response to my comment clevername? I suppose I ‘ left my self open’ though with a blunt comment like that, so I suppose I’ll take your words of encouragement happily, though I won’t lie, I am a little disgruntled that you picked that apart that quickly, I guess maybe I wanted to enjoy reveling in my unhappiness for a little longer.
heh, well… i do get a bit carried away sometimes, maybe even “lost,” wandering through the jungles of my own mindscape (i’ve just declared “mindscape” a valid word; hopefully the spellcheckers will catch up soon^^).
I did, however, understand what you meant by “i have no future.” I feel the same way. So i suppose “intellectualizing it,” perhaps helps me to cope with the notion that i will most likely not have a wonderful or great or even decent “future” to look forward to… and also gives me something interesting to focus on, which helps keep me distracted from the problems i can’t currently solve, which serve as the sources of my depression. The idea that no one really has a future (in the “overly-literal” sense), i suppose is somewhat comforting; even the richest, most set up and connected individuals, can suddenly die, whether by murder or accident, or some other needlessly destructive event. It’s estimated that ~25% of americans live with an undiagnosed brain aneurism, which could suddenly and spontaneously erupt, causing stroke and death. Or, more simply: 1 in 4 people could simply, suddenly and unexpectedly, drop dead, with no warning or prior symptoms or indications.
Am i one? Are you? Who is or isn’t? I suppose i could get checked… but i also have a feeling that sudden cerebral oxygen starvation might be one of the least painful ways to die; it would just suck to go when you’re not ready, and don’t even see it coming. I want to be prepared, i want to be at peace, i want my final moments to be composed of factors and conditions of my choice, not anything imposed upon me. I want to be completely alone and as comfortable as possible, surrounded by either total silence, or only nature sounds (birds, etc.). I want a death environment that is designed to be as passive and non-disruptive and not-panic-inducing as possible.
The last thing i would ever want, would be to “freak out” right before i die, and not have the time or opportunity to work through it and calm myself before the end. Dying while locked in a state of fear, panic, anxiety… sounds like about the worst way to go. All the physical logistics are secondary to how i feel. I could have the perfect plan, the perfect design, the perfect method… but if i realize i’m not ready, then i’m not ready. I don’t want to die fighting and scared and in pain. I want to be relaxed, resigned, and ready to either become nothing forever, or encounter a still unimaginable world of… whatever may or may not be next, if there is any “next.” I believe there is no next, because i see nothing indicating such a thing (i’ve watched for any such indication, ever since i realized the concept of “God” needed to be questioned, which was at least 20 years ago)… but i also realize i cannot fully test this theory, without doing it myself, in a way that will either destroy my consciousness forever, or preserve it in a way that cannot return to communicate my findings to earth’s humans.
With all the endless “debate” (which technically isn’t actually a debate, because the claimants never brought anything to substantiate their own claims, while demanding evidence to the contrary of their baseless insistence, which they clearly do not even value, since they believe themselves immune to the requirement of evidence to support their own claims of things not indicated by any part of observable reality)…
We can be certain that anyone who dies, does not ever return in a recognizable form… and that’s close enough to “gone forever,” for me to take death seriously. Either way, the death of this body is permanent, and it will never exist again, in any form; its particles will be dismantled, distributed, and spread throughout other organisms, as part of earth’s life cycles… but it will never be piloted by sentience, or perform any actions, ever again. So whether there’s an “afterlife” or not, “this” is still the only “this” we’ll ever get, so we best make the best of it we can, while we can. And if the best we can do is work hard to arrange an acceptable ending… then so be it. That’s still worth the effort to create. And so… we have to figure out how to survive well enough, comfortably enough, to at least accomplish an acceptable death. Otherwise… the distress and despair of your final moments will likely eclipse the total accumulated misery endured throughout your life.
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Yay tangents!
Lol, no I don’t mind, really. I’ve always been like that. Even though you went off on a tangent, if somone actually stays completely focused on a subject I was never fully interested in in the first place, I get bored. So, I actually want to listen to, er, read what you have to say. ^^ It’s relatable to me because it seems like my thought process, lol. I have aspergers syndrome, so, this is like mental brain-candy to me. I don’t need to worry that I’m going to be long winded because you as well seem to have summarized , lol, a bizzarre litany of subjects into a wierd array of tagent paragraphs here. I’m just surprised that somone actually extrapolated on my puny little non-sequitor of a comment.^^ As for having no future, in a way, it’s peaceful being ‘outside of time’ like that. God debates aren’t so much debates as nitpicking ‘philosophies’ and other such nonsense, nonsense when used in that context… you seem to be contemplating death a lot, I think that has something to do with the death drive of the ID or the superego, but I’m not confidently sure on that one, …if you’ve ever seen a very old dog looking for a bed or something to crawl under and die, that’s the death drive in action, and it’s fair to assume it’s more sophisticated in human, are you encompassed with a feeling of your impending death? What are you dreading? Is it somethig that can answer to a question like that? Or is it a litany of things that you can’t understand or express on a human (or human enough) level that causes you distress?
Of course I realize that it’s a large ammount of enigmatic quandaries and real life problems that can’t be ‘cut down’ to bite size chunks -.-… but is it anything in particular, anything outstanding in your mind? That is, as long as we’re on here trying to ‘help people’ that we’ve never met before… it’s not like we’re all just patronizing this site out of boredom… or for fun… is it????
Heh… “it’s complicated.” 😉
But no… i don’t really feel “impending doom,” usually… more like i feel impending perpetual suffering, because i see that the sources of the suffering are not being eliminated, mostly because of stuff i can’t control… and so that means the problems will continue, and my suffering will continue, and i will be stuck unable to correct it, leaving me with only one other option to eliminate that suffering.
I’m not really in the “danger zone” at this time… but i can see the border from here, and i never get far enough away to lose sight of it.
But yeah, sometimes i feel like i’m dyin’… and it’s not a feeling i wish to continue experiencing, but the only thing that really stops it (cannabis) is stupidly and sadistically illegal, which i wouldn’t even care about, if not for the outrageous, severely disproportionate penalties imposed by an alleged “justice system,” which is anything but just. They have literally made laws that say we have to pay them to oppress and abuse us… and if we refuse to pay them (taxes), they violently oppress and abuse us anyway, and either kill us or throw us in a cage. I guess it’s a “crime” to demand that our “justice system” actually maintain justice. And this isn’t just an american problem, not just a “first world problem,” ALL governments on the globe, are guilty of the same offense, to varying degrees… some far worse than others (looking at North Korea).
What i do feel… is something more like being trapped in the pull of a black hole, beyond the event horizon; no one can even see me here, because neither can the light bouncing off of me, escape the pull, once past the event horizon. I feel like i’m doomed, but it’s not necessarily “impending.” I could “survive” longer… but why should i? The only reasons i “should,” are to attempt to make the changes worth making, in order to make my life livable. But if i can’t do that, all i get is more of the same predictable suffering, and all the problems that come with it, and none of the joys that prevents. So, if i can’t fix it, i don’t want to continue enduring this misery, if it’s not going to produce desired results. Plus, i’m feeling like i need… need… to relocate to a more compatible and well-being-conducive environment, but due to the fact that i have no way to earn enough income in a short enough time, i have to calculate that i will remain trapped in a place that is far worse than it needs to be, and will not change significantly enough during my lifetime. And that’s just unacceptable to me, and i get really worked up over it, but i never can do what i need to do about it, because all pursuits are significantly, even prohibitively disrupted, and nothing ever seems to work out the way i need it to, whether i “believe” it will, or not.
But yeah. I do think some of us return here because we’re bored… but we came here first, because we were suicidal, and most of us “always are,” even on our good days. I’ve encountered some pretty interesting and appealing characters here, and after over a year of regular presence, i’ve developed a unique fondness of this place, and those interesting characters. I don’t have “real friends,” or even fake friends in real life. Aside from my immediate family, and the extended members who are always present… i pretty much have no one at all… and it’s pretty much always been that way. It’s weird, people seem to like me in real life, or are at least respectfully polite, usually… but i can’t find anyone compatible enough to stay friends… and that’s mostly because of all the same problems i rant about here. Plus, i don’t even want pseudo-friends. IMO, it’s a waste of time, and an unjustified exposure to more risk than it’s worth. I dislike wasting anyone’s time, especially my own… so as soon as i know “it’s not going to work,” i stop wasting their time… because, as per the golden rule, i don’t like doing anything to anyone, that i would not want them doing to me (unless they provoke me without what i would define as acceptable reason, in which case i will become infuriated and harm them as much as is required to ensure they will not continue harming me).
Lol, talking to you actually makes me happy. The blackhole, yes, and I read another one of your posts, about people driving you, I know what you mean, but I’ve never felt like the ‘driver’ before, not having to process everything and try to compact it into a little piddly paragraph without seeming too polarized by misinterpretation or minimalization, that, or draw it out ^
Lol, I can’t explain how wierdly happy I am right now… that is, I could, ERM, but I digress… I mean, I really want to to be able to… But I get it.. you’re a car man, lol ^^ Ohhh, I’m ebuliant now. I’m grateful I got to talk to you… lol, man, I wish I had a friend growing up like you.
Justice? ‘Justice is blind’. I’ve always loathed that quote. People sometimes say I’m lazy because I have no drive to get a job in this country… I just look at them dumbfounded considering the fact that I’d actually need to elaborate on the oppression that seems so self evident, it’s preposterous, they’ve been whipped beyond their own volition of choice, I grew up in a town with a Wal-Mart on the highway… I couldn’t loathe such a parasite any more. If people could catch a break, so to speak and actually feel relieved of their ‘crunchtime’ lives they might actually be able to muster up the self control not to patronize distributors like them… people are practiacally still slaves, in a non too far off sense. Our country is in serious debt to private banks… the founding fathers had an agenda to place a thriving economy firsthand on our nations’ priorities…but by buying out country after country into debt, private bankers in a sense rule the world, it’s disgusting. But then I think, would any other way work? Would we become too powerful? Maybe the balance is too precarious too keep in check… why do you think JFK was assassinated? I’m foggy on the details, but he had a plan to liberate us from the cycle of our currency constantly being devalued through the system of the federal reserve. The truth is, America doesn’t have any money, or has little… or maybe I’m out on a limb. They don’t want you to kno what to believe. I’m not sure how paranoid/libertarian propagandaist I’m coming off here, but, I believe it to be true… they made an example out of him. He’ll always be a hero to me, and I don’t care who knows it.
^ all of this, on repeat.
“You’re a car man”
Funny how i said nothing about my very early establish affinity for cars (which then broadened to include all well-designed machines)… but yep, i’m a “car man.” I also “a car, man!”
But really, you could call me an “analogist.” I have always worked to develop the analogy skill, because, it’s often easier to explain complex things to people, by relating it to, and configuring it as if it were comprised of the components with which they are most familiar.
I’m basically a Ferrari that has been driven offroad and wrecked a few times. Ferraris don’t belong off pavement, ever. (ironically enough, i’m also very nature-inclined, and while i do appreciate the urban-specific privileges that come with living in/near a big city, i still prefer the technologically supplemented rural life, and need to get back to such an arrangement…)
As for JFK… i’m still fuzzy on the exact details as well, but it’s pretty much guaranteed that his own gov’t did it (technically, this is not my government… or anyone’s, really, because they are infidels, infiltrators, hijackers… crooks and criminals… commonly referred to as “banksters,” and JFK was going to undo the trick the banksters had managed to legislate, which a prior president, i forgot which one, had already discerned was a huge mistake… and that was unacceptable to them, so they pulled more tricks… later, this same type of approach was used to create and promote Nixon’s “war on drugs,” which was based on blatant propaganda, prejudice, fear, bribery, and various types of organized crime, much of which should be construed as Treason… especially if you see the entire cluster of events as one whole… but was somehow disguised as patriotism… and somehow managed to fool enough of the people, enough of the time, that it became “too big to fail,” which was then followed by people too afraid to revolt, or even protest… and now we even have laws against protesting, which should be impossible due to the first amendment… which proves that this… “organization,” whatever you want to call them, who are masquerading as “gov’t officials,” are actually treasonous. But people are too afraid to try to do anything about it, because they’ll just massacre us and call us “terrorists,” even though, by definition, they are actually THE terrorists; they use fear generated by threats of violence, and even demonstrations of violence, in order to manipulate the behavior of the populous; that is the literal definition of “terrorist,” and it fits “The U.S. Government” perfectly. Understanding this, also leads to understanding that our “gov’t” are also hypocrites, do not value human life beyond its ability to produce benefits for the elites, and do intend to murder any of us who cannot be used for their profits, or as an example to sustain the fear in others.)
If you want to get technical, “america isn’t even america anymore.” It’s something entirely corrupt and twisted, by greedy, powerful psychopaths. We are right to fear them. But we are wrong to not conquer that fear. This is the same problem our forefathers faced, which ultimately lead to the creation of the now only selectively endorsed constitution and bill of rights. They pick and choose what to interpret which way, based on which method of interpretation will benefit them the most, in any scenario. Sometimes, that’s “we have to take it completely literally,” but other times, it’s lots of colorful interpretation and inference.
Anyway… all i want to do is live off the grid, in a forest near mountains (or in/on mountains themselves), do whatever i want, keep to myself, and be left alone. That’s what would make me happy, at this point. That’s what my human rights entitle me to pursue. For any person or entity to impose violence upon me for any reason at all, when i have harmed no one, and have no intention of harming anyone… is an egregious violation of my rights as a human being.
The only way we’ll get “them” to respect our rights, is by fighting for them… which they have made illegal! I want every one of them to stand trial for what i insist are, and believe is a self-evident truth: they are treasonous terrorists, posing as authority figures, violating millions of humans’ rights, and making those same violated victims pay their salaries. Fuck that. Fuck those motherfuckers.
I cannot respect any part of the gov’t, or any individual human being, who supports, endorses, and/or enforces, injustice upon innocent people… especially those incidents which have resulted in death or grievous injury… whether for the victim, or the enforcer. If an enforcer gets hurt while imposing undue injustice… that’s what he deserves! So, when cops get killed in “drug war” situations? GOOD. Stop violating people’s rights, and i’ll change my stance on the matter. Meanwhile, i hope they all die yesterday. Accepting a paycheck in exchange for harming someone who doesn’t deserve it, does not make it right or justify it. All of them need to pay for their crimes, and there will be no leniency granted to anyone who has harmed a single person in the process of a drug arrest, nor any judge who has ever sentenced anyone for any amount of cannabis, for any reason. The judge is supposed to be honorable and have “good judgment.” Having good judgment automatically precludes punishing a cannabis user for using cannabis, UNLESS they are actually being punished because they harmed someone else while or because of cannabis… and any competent mind who is at all interested in Facts (all judges should be this!), cannot conclude that it is ever reasonable or “just,” to punish anyone, in any amount, for possessing any amount of a substance that makes themselves feel better, and does not cause harm to anyone else.
But these so-called “honorable” judges, often refuse to question the very laws upon which they base their decisions of amount/degree of punishment! How is that “honorable?” It isn’t.
The Judge’s Job:
1) determine whether the law was broken
2) determine an appropriate punishment.
There is NO appropriate punishment for possessing or using cannabis; all “cannabis punishment” is inappropriate, unacceptable, disproportionately severe, unjust, inexcusable, and utterly reprehensible… regardless of the existence of the prohibition laws.
All cannabis sentencing should fail at step #2 above. When it doesn’t, the sentencing judge has actually committed severe violations of the constitution and human rights (along with all enforcers involved in apprehension and detention, all narcs, all of everyone who contributes to this unacceptable and unnecessary problem)… not to mention eliminating “due process,” because due process includes: 1) jury of peers (all of my “peers” are pro-cannabis, and therefore biased in my favor… the only alternative is people who are NOT my “peers,” and who are already biased against me, which prevents a “fair” trial…) 2) refraining from “unreasonably severe punishments, especially in cases of a non-violent offense.
I also assert that “due process” means including ALL of the relevant facts, including the fact that the law itself is unreasonable as well as the fact that the law itself is wrong… and, that it was established in an obviously invalid way, which did indeed employ perjury, bribery, propaganda, and false testimony, in order to be made into law. These facts ARE relevant in determining sentencing… which means that to sentence anyone, to anything, based on AN ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL, INVALID LAW, is NOT DUE PROCESS.
Therefore, sentencing anyone to anything, based on that illegally created law… is treason… along with everyone who “colludes” or “conspires” to continue punishing people by this same law.
GRRRRRR…
They say intellectualizing can be very detrimental to a persons emotional health, maybe that’s why you’re, (and the original author of this post) are on here in the first place, along with plenty of others who visit this forum site. Instead of dancing around your emotions with words to avoid confronting and dealing with them, is anyone here well versed with actually processing their emotions like ahuman being? Or vice/versa? Are any of the (admittingly) over emotional people here capable of taking a step back, collecting themselves to calm down and take control of the moment, and keep a cool head? I have no doubt that that’s what landed some of us here, being one of these two problems is attributable to us.
Of course thinking too much can be detrimental to a person’s emotional health. Most people I (personally) know who feel suicidal are very intelligent. Actually one of them committed suicide last year and my own suicidal thoughts got much worse over the last few months because of his death and really haunt me now. We often talked about the world and philosophized together. However, he also had a real problem I cannot describe here because he wouldn’t like me to do that.
Looking back, I am very dissapointed that MadHatter didn’t have the chance to become involved in this post. He didn’t get a word in edgewise… just bickering, in a word. Being bold was quite possibly the only way he felt he could start off to get across… he’s probably lonely.
I wonder if he’s seen this post since and thought ‘I’d better keep away’.
probably, yes, why bother ‘(sigh)’
Yes, a pity we can’t PM people here and invite him to come back.
considering this a day old… even though most of the responses occured today I think
heartbreak, impending failure, shame
Judging by both the content and the length of the OP, i’d say he’s probably so distressed and demotivated that he’s nearly catatonic. 9 years is a very long time to endure enough torment to prompt thoughts of an early exit…
Then again, not everyone comes here every day, and not everyone comes back right away, if at all. Some stick around… some don’t.
I know i’ve done probably more than my “fair share” of sticking around and being present, commenting when/where i feel the need… but i’ve also taken some breaks, because sometimes i just don’t fucking feel like communicating with anyone! I get to the point where it feels like everything i want to communicate, is too complex for anyone i currently know, or that it’s not too complex, but is too “racy” or taboo or unpopular (and often for the wrong reasons…), and is then met with minimization, dismissal, or even hostility. And, well, not many suicidal people want to deal with those same things they get from “normal people,” in a place that is meant to feel more like a sanctuary.
Also: “there’s so much to say… but if i don’t say it ALL, then i’m sending an incomplete message, which is probably wrong… so maybe i should not bother saying anything at all.”
Sometimes, it’s just too difficult to interact with people who haven’t yet had the opportunity to learn the most appropriate ways to interact with you. Sometimes, it’s just too difficult to talk to even the people who’ve known me all my life, or all their lives. Sometimes, even those people seem utterly incapable of understanding the complexities i’m unable to ignore.
And just like with most things, the less you practice communicating with others, the more your skill fades. You get rusty, which increases the difficulty rating, which demotivates even further… and then it’s just easier to not bother talking at all (and that’s usually accompanied by “and who would even understand, anyway…”).
And who would even understand, then is it a lack of intelligence or a lack of interest that stops me reading comments that are longer than a few lines?
hahaha, I think some posts can be scoped out for the possibilty to foster a productive conversation based on the title and the first paragraph, I base my decision to read the entire post on whether or not I’m captivated and able to produce a sincere response from what I’ve read… I’m sure there are plenty of posts that are indeed read by multiple viewers but no one can produce an effective response that they feel would be appropriate and would actually benefit the situation of the poster…
I try to read the longer posts, especially if they’re well written, and most are, but I get lost half way through, I’m probably missing some good points though.
lol, lazy. you are, it’s kind of fun. you’re hanging in there though. ^^
Yes Clevername talked about jealousy which is a problem I have regarding people around me seeming to have a better life than me, but I’m dealing with it.
Please Mad-Hatter, if you do read this, please create a new post and perhaps we can help you if you need to discuss your problems, we don’t normally behave like this, we do try to help the orginator.
the originator of the post.
I know many tormented geniuses… He might even be a friend of mine…
Please come back, Mad-hatter. I know it is tough when people misunderstand you if you say you are smart. Once just after a suicide attempt I joined some prestigious groups and told some so-called friends I felt better because I had found like-minded people… But all they had to say was “poor little thing” and stopped contacting me. It was years ago but I still vividly remember it. I mean, not exactly a nice thing to say to a person who is recovering from a suicide attempt, particularly considering they were obsessed with God and the Bible (and I think the Bible says you should not bury your talents?). Yes, I just googled it, there is a “Parable of the Talents” in the Bible. So you are not alone, Mad-hatter.
That’s an awesome name
Anyone else kind of hoping we would reach one hundred comments on this post? 8) Just for the feeling of achievement? 😛
O.o
Or am I just sad?
Well it would certainly be a way of compensating the guy who started the ball rolling, has there been many one hundred comment posts in the past, I know that the helium one went to 700+, that must be the record.
It is because people keep googling “helium hood” and find us… Maybe there would be less new members without the helium thread. As for “this” thread, well, the award will go the person who writes the 100th post.
700? Wow. When was that? I’ve only been here for about week and a half. Compensation well? Do you think he’d care, lol? Probably just “Woah, no f-ing way.” and ignores
At 100 posts the thread practically becomes public property anyway, Hatter was shooed out a long time ago. I think I’m going to check out his profile.
I think it was a long time ago, but there are still new replies all the time. I haven’t been here for too long either, just over a month,
It’s his only post -.-
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@YWNKM:
LOL!!! Awesome.