When you commit suicide you might think you have just permanently ended your existence. For all you contemplating out there let me tell you this…
You don’t really die if you kill yourself. (ha you think this is a joke)..Yes your physical Vessel/ shell, skin, body, bones, organs, coagulated blood will deteriorate and disintegrate under the earth. Your physical shell/vessel and organs may even become dust/ash.
But you. You never die.
Consciousness and energy might be eternal. Your soul/spirit/essence might be eternal. This brief moment on earth is to gain knowledge, experience, wisdom and to experience growth and the Bliss of being.
The ancients warned about suicide. Some say you still have work to do once you pass.
Because your now gone, a family won’t be created. Someone won’t have a friend. A child can’t be taken care of, a task won’t be completed, goals remain unaccomplished…
Once you are dead, it is possible you may still need to work to fix ruined, broken relationships that never came into existence.
The crossover can be difficult for people in emotional turmoil through death from Suicide. You can unfortunately become stuck, constantly and repeatedly apologizing to those you have directly or indirectly hurt.
But you aren’t really there. You’re dead.
Your death is important in the larger scheme of things. Yes…you are actually important…
-Namaste
ps. Don’t be so hard on yourself. Sleep in late. There is always tomorrow.
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lol if it were as easy as ‘taking a stroll’ i bet this website would be empty.
You are so right
This is obviously some religious 14 year old nonsense
Haha so true
Get a grip. You are obviously in denial. Look oit your window at a tree. YES a tree, just a plant, a flower or a cloud. Wake up out of your deep slumber. 14 yo, or not. Get a grip and wake up. Religious dogma may save your f***ing life
..dumass
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You will die.
‘Consciousness is eternal’ is quite the claim. Do you have anything to substantiate that, beyond the claims of pre-enlightenment societies or personal anecdote?
Because all the scientific evidence we have points to consciousness being dependent on the state of the brain. For example, Alzheimer’s patients have huge changes in knowledge, memory, experience & belief as their brains slowly decay. It is often described by family members as the person they love slowly disappearing, even while their body is still alive. And people who suffer brain injuries often experience massive changes in their memories, knowledge, beliefs, feelings, and behavior (as in the case of Phineas Gage, who had a railway spike shot through his cranium.)
The logical conclusion would seem to be that consciousness is produced by the brain, and is dependent on it. When the brain dies, out go the lights, and all that is you ceases to be. This may be wrong, but I would ask you to consider whether your belief in the alternative is based on actual evidence, or a desire to maintain a sense of your own importance within the vast reaches of time and space.
Also, I just got back from a long walk in the beautiful countryside. Still feel like shit. Some brains are complicated like that, and this is one place where they gather. I’m sure you’re trying to be helpful, but I don’t think you can do that until you really understand how people work.
^^^this
Yes. Bye bye brain, bye bye me.
What about near death experiences? Or out of body experiences? Science relies on money to pursue advancement in said field and it’s the money that decides one way or another what fields are pursued.
Near death experiences are a product of the effects of dying (or nearly dying) on the brain. The process can cause all kinds of crazy spikes in activity, floods of endorphins etc., leading to feelings of euphoria & boundless love, along with the dissolution of the ego. Cascades of memories and associations are triggered, often leading to people feeling that they have met the spirits of friends & family (some of whom are still alive at the time.) These tend to take the forms of scenarios conditioned by the cultures in which the person is raised (the details of someone in India may be very different to someone in America – e.g. meeting Jesus.)
Out of body experiences are similar, and can also be produced by drugs (& even experiments using VR headsets.) While many have reported drifting out of their body and seeing details of their environments, whenever experiments have been done to try and test this, no one has ever been able to identify any detail accurately (e.g. signs put on top of cupboards.) This suggests that the brain is filling in the gaps in the environment it is projecting into, rather than the person leaving the body and actually drifting through the ceiling.
I recommend checking out talks given by Susan Blackmore on the subject (there’s several on youtube), if you’re actually interested in the science. She had her own OBE, and spent decades studying the phenomenon in an attempt to prove it’s validity.
While science does require funding & is therefore subject to corruption, the scientific method is the only one we have for potentially testing a claim. People have devoted years of their lives to trying to prove that NDEs & OBEs provide a valid picture of reality. The evidence isn’t there, and there’s a reason for that. It’s all in the brain.
I’m talking about near death experiences when the patient is being worked on and they were able to report to doctors afterwards everything that was communicated during the surgery.
What also of the government trials with astral projection that resulted in somewhat accurate information of sites that were on the other side of the Earth?
I have had an OBE and I have also experienced different levels of consciousness. It’s nothing I am saying is proven because to prove these things you must experience it for yourself.
flutterby, is it possible that in those cases the patients just weren’t fully unconscious? Anesthesia isn’t always 100%. Sometimes patients wake up during surgery, but can’t communicate because they’re paralyzed by the drugs.
If those trials provided accurate info that couldn’t have been obtained by other means, and were carried out by reputable scientists, then that would be interesting. As far as I’m aware, such trials have always failed to provided conclusive evidence. The professor I mentioned previously apparently attempted to find such evidence over the course of many years, when various people told her that they could project into her house and read things she wrote for them. None managed it.
I’m not saying you didn’t have the experience. What I’m saying is that I don’t think it meant what you think it did. If what was happening was really people leaving their bodies, then there’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to satisfy the tests that have been carried out and prove that’s what was happening. I believe you had the experience of your consciousness leaving your body. I just think that that experience was produced by the brain that was still in your body.
@thehusk your post is awesome btw. Great information
Just a theory bro, relax.
its based on faith. that we continue to live rather than rot in the dirt. eh, if out goes the lights then… cool… great 67 years working at mcdonalds
Ok dude. The way you worded your post, it sounded like you maybe thought you had something to back up what you were saying, so I wondered what that might be. By all means believe whatever makes you happy. Just maybe don’t tell others to trust you on it?
It’s so sad and unfortunate that our minds deteriorate and wither away with old age and disease. Just have to live with it or commit suicide
It is unfortunate. But I’m curious, how would you explain the mind ‘withering away’ as the brain decays, if consciousness and the self are eternal and entirely independent of the body?
I don’t know…I guess as your bones become weak so do connections in your brain which might produce ill effects on your thought processes, negativity hopelessness?. I don’t know….I’ve had mental illness and I lost touch with reality…
Eternal means existing forever. If our minds are capable of love then I believe consciousness , the mind, soul and spirit will never cease to exist. As long as the capability to love is present.
You have levels of consciousness. Sub conscious, conscious and super conscious (maybe more). The sub and super conscious being connected to the brain while the super conscious is not. It’s the super conscious that people are accessing in an O.B.E and N.D.E.
Wake up or your actions and reality shall show you the real meaning of what it means to Die. Good luck, brother. Peace & Love. Maybe you will find the will to live. Love. Life. Eternal.
Science is funded and by the devil. Good luck following/ believing that sh**
No. Absolutely Not. I have nothing to ‘substantiate’ my claim…. and I don’t have to or need to. Look up to the sky, to the stars, that should be enough ‘evidence” for you. Quiet your mind and look deep into your heart. Wake up out of your slumber and stop subscribing to so called funded ‘Science’. Good luck staying alive. Peace and love.
While I dont believe in any sort of afterlife, I do believe if I kill myself that ill “stay alive” in the memory of others. Admittedly, that has me hesitating to act a little.
You may feel broken and defeated but your memory will carry on..
great post, but you won’t find many here who will agree with you or want to hear it, because it goes against what they WANT to hear….
If correct, it shakes things up too much for anyone who wants to die.
They want the “easy” not considering anything BUT THEMSELVES.
Reality is,,, and I have said it before…
It is VERY possible anyone killing themselves will just enter an even worse hell for departing from their purpose on this earth.
I’m curious if you struggle with suicide? You never seem to say anything supportive and many times sound like you are just attacking others.
Nop
I was asking foundhappiness if he has problems with suicide or if he is here to attack us all. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Found happiness – Somewhere on this vast planet is a person who, having had the odds stacked against him since birth, is unaware of his “purpose.” Perhaps he lives in a remote section of an obscure jungle where electricity is considered an awe inspiring phenomenon that banishes the shadows of night and provides heat in his bedroom. And perhaps this bedroom is nothing more than a small section in a thatched roof hut, with a dirt floor, and the nearest “plumbing” is an outhouse type facility shared by many, two hundred yards away. This man is well versed in surviving a mostly primitive life in a harsh environment, as are those he lives with. Television is an obscure, remote concept to him, a legend he has heard of, but neither he nor anyone he knows has ever seen one. He wonders at the strange symbols on his shabby clothing, symbols like “Nike”, and “Dallas Cowboys” and “Who Farted?” They are meaningless to him, as he has not yet learned to read and probably will die having never learned. He has never listened to an evangelist, but has seen a few people with oddly colored skin who visited his remote village and delivered an interesting message of a divine being that holds him in high regard. In his unique way, he dismisses the thought and returns to his work. He will never hear the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, nor will he ever know that, according to Anthony Robbins and Joel Osteen, his purpose and meaning on this planet are awaiting him, as soon as he learns to tap into the vast potential of the universe that awaits him, all for the low low price of just $29.95. The words of Allah will remain absent from his life, the teachings of Buddha also. All that we in the first world are bombarded with in an attempt to help us “find our purpose” will never be revealed to him, and his reason for living will be found only in the daily routine of life as he knows it. He will never learn of the possibility of the flames of hell, nor the puffy clouds of heaven, or of the theories of reincarnation, and sundry dogmas or philosophies. He has but one reason, and it is to pursue shelter and mitigation of hunger.
My question is this, Found Happiness: How does this man discover his “purpose” on earth, and why would he be punished for failing to discover it, when he will never once have access to the man-made wisdom of every dogma and religion ever created?
Thank you, i had a feeling I would get alot of backlash haha, spirituality is hard to prove, just have to have faith
Sooo true. Peace and love brother. Be well 🙂
and having known 2 people who have been on the other side and returned,,,, both a heaven and hell most certainly do exist… and how one lives on this earth has a DIRECT impact on where you go…..
From what they have told me,,, we have a purpose here and in the end,,, there is a force/entity/God that WILL put you where you “choose to go” (free will).
It is said that through enlightenment, the Buddha experienced consciousness of his ‘past lives’ – as a fish, a bird, and numerous other animals and humans. The things people experience when they enter altered states of consciousness are clearly massively influenced by the cultures and religions that they’re raised within. Given that, I wonder why you consider the experiences of those you have known to be an accurate reflection of reality, rather than the product of a mind raised within a monotheistic culture, when they clearly contradict the experiences of others from different traditions. Anecdotal experiences are not proof. The accounts of your friends are no more valid than those who have memories of past lives. Expectations unconsciously shape experiences.
true
Good, I always wanted to be a ghost anyway.
Alot of denial. I tried to give a. Simple explanation on what I thought about suicide. Trying to be positive here…i knew. A guy who went through this.
I enjoyed this post a lot.
These are concepts people have a very very hard time with because you have to experience it to even know of its possibility.
Thank you @flutterby. :)))