(For context: I’m a little drunk hence my lack of etiquette)
Growing up I understood that there is no power stronger than destruction. My willpower was crushed by a man who made me realize that hateful strength is all that matters. I turned my body into a tool of destruction, grinding everyday dreaming of the time I would land my fist on his stupid face. And when I did… all he did was smile. I was too late. The world had beaten his soul before I could and now he was defeated; you can’t hurt such a man… he died a long time ago. So how do I get my justice? Why don’t I feel like seeing him crumble away is enough? Why do I hate the world so much for what happened, if it didn’t owe me anything. My childhood was majority-wise shitty and empty of purpose. I was fat ugly and naive, and had my manhood beaten out me. Bullied at school, fucked up at home and called the weak link. BUT WHY?
Maybe there is no justice, and the idea of God is the fiction we have created to handle the cruelty of this world. I have seen too much, too much to hope that things “get better”. Not in this life. I am not certain if there’s an afterlife, but I know this life has no justice. Bestgore gives insight into a world I never would have imagined had I continued living in this social bubble (Thank you internet). Fun fact: People die insanely horrible deaths and face ridiculously terrible circumstances why? Because they were born in the wrong place and at the wrong time. All I have to say is ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?! That’s all it is? Bad luck? How the fuck do you process something like that. I can’t handle the idea that everything that happened to me was just bad luck, and will never be addressed again. Is that being human? Wanting justice? Then I don’t want to be human, I just don’t want to care about anything anymore.
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I’ve seen bestgore. It kept giving me the shudders. And the comments there are really enough to put you off humanity for good. Ugh.
So true…terrible stuff, but I guess its part of reality, but it’s not for me.
But that is happening. You put a blanket over your eyes doesn’t stop the world from existing.
Don’t think I know you Two-Faced and I’m not sure what your point was, I’m not into gore but I’ve seen some to know what it’s about.
Many of us have had hard lives some worse than others. Were you trying to prove there’s a God or there isn’t, same for justice?
Not quite sure what you’re trying to argue here. But I believe it might be regarding a religious post that I replied to and I didn’t see you address the points I raised.
I’d appreciate it if you summed your point more clearly and if/when I’m around I’ll get back to you.
I simply agreed with you said in my comment box, I didn’t know if you’d see my comment since the post was pretty old. You said the idea of God is something created to handle the injustices of this world. I agree with you entirely because I couldn’t prove you wrong if I wanted to.
But this point was pretty confused because I drunk-venting but the main idea is to say that I believe you’re right. But the only reason I wont agree with you, is I can’t accept that there is no God because it would ruin my humanity. So I’d rather believe the “lie” than accept this reality. That we just stop existing? I’m not mature enough to accept that all it is is just misfortune lol.
My question to you is, why should I try to be good when there’s no point to it. I want to do bad stuff and I want hurt the people who hurt me, and the only logical reason I can find for not doing that is the idea of God. I’m not a good guy, I don’t see the purpose in doing the right thing if there’s no justice at the end of the day. So explain to me why I should be good when I dont want to be.
That’s where atheism fails me. Telling people to be good, but for no reason. If we are just cannon fodder coming and going like the wind, then why should me hurting others matter? Since technically there is no right or wrong.
My 2 cents – sometimes there is no justice, and the suffering we experience cannot be made right by making others suffer in return. I think some are able to let go of the anger that generates in time, but that’s by no means straightforward, when our natural inclination is to demand retribution. It’s understandable to feel so angry at a world that allows such things to happen. When reality seems so unnecessarily hurtful, it makes sense to resent it.
I don’t really believe in existential justice, or an all powerful God (I may be wrong.) But I do believe that progress is possible – that over generations we can gradually overcome the cycles of hurt and hatred we inflict on one another. That we can hugely reduce the amount of suffering and horror that we experience through natural forces. Though that will require great amounts of dedication and courage by people better than myself.
I do think that the suffering we experience is the result of chance. Would you prefer it to be otherwise? Would you prefer it to say something deep about you as an individual? Would you prefer it to be punishment for some misdeed in a previous life?
Lastly, don’t spend too long looking into the void, or it might start looking back.
That’s almost impossible to accept. I wouldn’t mind my injustices if I could forget them, but I can’t. Is spent so much time around them that my personality is derived from them. So not only do I have the memories but who I am is shaped by those experiences. And not in a “I will rise above this” kinda way, but I got the worst aspects of it and now I can’t even trust anyone (Literally impossible) because I have OCD complex where the thoughts just keep coming back. After all that, and then I hear well you just had some bad luck no need to whine about it. Alright then, so if I become a murder then no one should have a problem with it. I’m just living like I was raised.
My question to you is, why should I try to be good when there’s no point to it. I want to do bad stuff and I want hurt the people who hurt me, and the only logical reason I can find for not doing that is the idea of God. I’m not a good guy, I don’t see the purpose in doing the right thing if there’s no justice at the end of the day. So explain to me why I should be good when I dont want to be.
That’s where atheism fails me. Telling people to be good, but for no reason. If we are just cannon fodder coming and going like the wind, then why should me hurting others matter? Since technically there is no right or wrong.
If you can’t let it go right now, you can’t let it go. But perhaps at some point it will seem a little less important.
I would say whine about it as much as you want, if you really feel it helps. It sounds like you had a larger than average dose of bad luck. I spend plenty of my time here venting, and the cards I was dealt were luckier than many.
If you become a murderer, then society will have to treat you like a murderer, for the sake of the greater good. The world is not just, but we have a collective interest in trying to prevent and deter behavior which threatens our well-being. A world in which people feel free to murder is a world with more fear and suffering. So punishment is rational.
Also, you would have to live with the shame of being a murderer. With the moral distance that puts between you and every other human being. With being outcast from the community. Our emotions are not rational – they are social. In the same way that you feel the need for retribution despite understanding that those who wronged you were acting based on processes that preceded them, you would feel the shame of doing something morally forbidden despite understanding that the impulses that led you to do so were triggered by your upbringing.
The point of trying to be good is to be able to convince yourself (and therefore others) that you are a good person. To be able to look others in the eye, and tell them honestly about yourself, without having to hide the terrible truth. Without the shame and guilt that comes from doing something unforgivable.
My guess would be that the things that you want to do will not bring you lasting satisfaction – they will not make the pain go away. Quite the opposite. I may be wrong about that. It may be that an overwhelming sense of peace and tranquility descends upon you. But everything I know about human psychology tells me that you will be left with an even greater sense of your own wretchedness, though that may seem impossible now.
God may exist. There may be a final judgement, a reckoning. We don’t know. We do know that generally speaking, murderers don’t feel great about it in the long term, unless they’re complete psychopaths (which it doesn’t sound like you are.) Even if you’re not a good guy, you may decide to be less bad than you might’ve been. You may spare yourself that worse feeling. The purpose of doing the right thing is to be able to convince yourself that you’re the kind of person who does the right thing, and thereby to pass that confidence onto others (and enjoy the social benefits.)
If you don’t care about consequences, for yourself or others, then no one could convince you of anything. If all you really wanted was to just destroy yourself and others, then you’d do it.
We’re not just cannon fodder. We’re also chains of conscious experience. If you want to attribute significance to your own conscious experience, then logically you have to attribute it equally to others. If you don’t wish to give your experience such significance, then why should would desire to hurt others have any weight?
Wrong and right are proxies for what tends to cause us suffering, and what we tend to value. While they’re not objective in some immaterial sense, they’re based upon the commonality of human experience. What is torment for you is generally torment for others. If what was done to you was undesirable, it follows that inflicting it on someone else would be likewise, unless you think it serves some greater good.
That’s all well stated. I am inclined to agree with the majority of your statement. Yes, as people we have established a social structure that preserves one of the most obvious and fundamental purposes of living organisms, which is passing genetic information to future generations. In order for those generations to exist, circumstances that threaten life must be kept at bay. So it’s not morality but simply the logical thing to do. That’s why people don’t murder, or act against social norms because the social structure is beneficial for the life in that working together achieves greater things than working separately. That logic I understand.
But then comes the question of self realization. If my existence is centered around passing my genetic code then what is the purpose of self-realization. Lions make better communities than humans do, and they don’t even know they are lions. So why am I not the same, why do I feel obligated to forsake my existence in retaliation to an action done in the past. If you spent every 3 years beating a dog every day, then set it free, it wouldn’t plot revenge because the main goal was to escape the negative stimulus. But humans have a sense of retribution, a desire to get even which makes no sense to me. I can’t even find anywhere in evolution that explains why humans are the only creatures with self realization (know they are a living entity and individuals). Humans just became self-conscious out of nowhere? That makes no sense. Not even logical sense.
I believe the reason I feel that justice is necessary is because it is. That is why I am compelled to believe that there is God. Because I cannot think outside what is possible in reality, because I can’t imagine what I have never known. The idea God becomes logical. Because if I can desire retribution for action committed to me by someone I can never see again then that shows that it is possible to get it. But hey, at the end of the day maybe I am full of crap, and I am using the idea of God and justice as a crutch. It keeps me human. So I say it is beneficial to society. If you can handle being an atheist and live a life forgiving people for things they never apologized for then you are as religious as I am. Self preservation should come first in your life, there is no self sacrifice in atheism that is not a evolutionary trait.