I have lost everything in my life , my life is destroyed , I have nothing , I can’t stand the reality and justification of restrictions bc what I think and know is that the virus have less probability to kill , what this virus did is nothing , in contrary to the restrictions and laws , they took our freedom , this world is just horrific utopia, they said they want to safe lifes , and they shut everything and prevented people from walking outdoors , stay at home ironic , like living in your own prison, the economy has been destroyed , the hospitals don’t recognize the illness or sick people if they don’t have covid , the education is a joke , the suicide is high , and yes people died bc those restrictions more than what the virus will take if we just left nature pass and our immune system react , like we did for millions of years , but no shut everything for years when they know the truth the virus will stay and they can’t eradicate it , even with high vaccination rates and low hospitalizations and deaths they have the courge to justify closing and forcing of masks , not to mention the problems it cause using masks for a lot of hours that reduce the oxygen we breath and need and not to mention not contacting with faces but with have fabricated faces and forgetting what human faces look like , but who cares prevent the old who is in risk of thousands of diseases that will have a chance to kill them for weak immune system? or the ones with several problems , why would I lose years of my life locked in a cage can’t go to stores outside bc they are closed or can’t go to work or school or contact with anyone or do anything for a virus will not disappear and will become regular like influenza? So now they say it will not disappear? Really? Hey take vaccines to return to your semi normal life and after people taking them by high rates they say use masks and distance and dozens of restrictions , also we think the virus will never go away , and we have the worst economic crises in decades , so all your development vanish and the gab between the wealthy and poor worsen, and all the development we worked for is vanish and gone , it is amusing that they still have excuses, what it look like for me is that covid not the problem and no it is not the danger that I’m afraid of or anyone with a brain should consider , I will kill myself bc as I said they took everything from me and I know the worst will come and this pandemic is just excuse for the new utopia beeing created.
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This was a really interesting perspective to me. As covid hasn’t really accepted my life in any way at all. I still went to work and did everything I used to before. Although I am more of an introvert. I wore a mask for a while but even that requirement is gone here now.
I made an attempt in April and ended up in the hospital. While I was there, I found out I had covid on top of it. Was the sickest I’ve ever been. I believe the restrictions are, unfortunately, necessary. They DO suck. I dont think anybody likes them. But believe me, it’s far better than getting covid. I feel sorry for people who die that way. Sure, the majority of people will be fine, but no one thinks they’ll be the one to get it either. Vaccines are helping with that, thankfully. I think it will eventually be manageable to a point where things are normal again. Hell, where I live, things are pretty much normal again anyway. Small prices to pay, I think. Sorry it’s causing you so much stress.
Sorry to hear that you had problems , I know covid symptoms could be severe but those restrictions is not the solution and they caused huge problems that will be clear by time , even with high vaccinations there is reports about seasonal lockdowns considered by governments , in the autumn and winter , and even with vaccines reducing numbers of hospitalizations and deaths for the old or those with health problems , it will not end deaths for this category , and this is shown by reports and using facts , age and genes deficiency reduce immune system resistance, viruses develop this is why the antibiotics may not work in the future , and the natural immune system we have develop everytime we catch virus and have antibodies that will fight infections , death is not something can be eradicated in nature if your body have problems already , those high numbers of deaths happen every second and not only by viruses , but it is not considered problems or pandemic , I don’t think the current situation of normality in some countries will last with variations ( which is regular resistence of viruses ) and with the seasonal influenza which have similarities with covid bc ( they all attack the respiratory system ) , there will not be a perfect time that deaths and hospitalizations will not occur bc covid , to come back to normal life and not have seasonal or semi normal life those facts have to be accepted and considered , and yes it causing me stress but thanks anyway.
It is for me as well , after reading your reply , it is surprise me restrictions is not a problem in your life , but still it is a problematic situation worldwide , and what happen in another country could affect you as will ( globalization) so yes it may look it is not affecting you but I doubt that.
hey kind soul 🙂
Since it appears that this is your first post here, let me first give You a very warm welcome 😀
i’m certainly not in any way glad that You have suicide on your mind, but i’m glad that You gave yourself a chance to talk about it and to voice out your reasons for it, even if it’s just with some online strangers… i do commend You for it… Welcome & Well Done!
Secondly, i wish to state that i totally share that sense of ‘misery’ with You
This pro-longed [seemingly endless] current situation plain-out ‘sucks’
i do feel it,
& i’m sure a huge proportion of the entire human population on this planet feel it too
so it’s truly very real when i tell You
that You’re not at all at all alone in your despair
believe me
at least thousands if not millions of others are with You in it
i know this doesn’t solve anything, but it helps sometimes to realize that one is part of a collective suffering that is felt by others rather than suffering all by themselves
Thirdly… instead of saying ‘goodbye cruel CoViD-restricted world’…
could we try discussing it together?
—
i ask You this…
1}
*imagine*
we actually do remove all restrictions…
like the Utopia-leaders read this post & say
‘Oh God, we can’t afford to lose Xox, we’re lifting all restrictions immediately’ :D…
then the curves went up… the ‘natural death toll’ that You referred to gradually doubled, then tripled, then quadrupled, and the world now starts losing 100s of millions on a daily basis instead of only millions or 10s of millions
no vaccines, we wait for our natural immunity to pick up, but it doesn’t, because tens of new variants emerge &\or other reasons
Some of the variants mutate into destructive viral monsters & deaths start to include even those who perfectly healthy & ideally young… in huge proportions… to the point that it’s almost an equal chance that the virus ends your life whether you’re old, have a chronic condition, or young & healthy
we’re talking about a death toll & level of danger that is clearly ‘beyond’ anything that’s ‘normal’ or even ‘historically witnessed’ in any previous epidemic…
if this all actually happens…
Would You then say that as much as restrictions suck, they would have saved lives & prevented millions of deaths & prevented the situation from spiraling completely out of control ?
I’m proposing this scenario, because it almost actually ‘partially’ happened on a much smaller scale in India very recently…
i don’t know where You’re from, but if You’re not from there, trust me… You don’t wish to have been there
everything was open, & people decided to live normally
then within weeks
dead corpses were literally filling the streets & cars & bodies were being burnt in parks because there’s no enough space to bury these huge numbers
🙁
as ‘small-scale’ an experiment as it was, it was a ‘massive’ catastrophe
if this is not what You mean
could You tell me what do You propose instead of the current restrictions?
—
2}
*if*
You actually do some more research
or imagine You’re some billionaire with your private research center & team of scientists
and You reach a scientifically-backed sense of certainty
that these restrictions are Really Truly Unavoidably ‘Necessary’…
Would your stance & your feeling about the issue change?
Would it help You not feel like You’re being robbed of something or that something is being taken away from You?…
that instead,
You’re willingly giving up certain things in your life cause You yourself are now convinced & satisfied-ly certain that it’s absolutely necessary & unavoidable that You do make these sacrifices, for your own as well as others’ wellbeing?
Would all that then help You not feel or think about ‘leaving’ us 🙂 ?
—
—–
awaiting your answers… & praying & hoping You could stay with us, at least just a bit more till we’ve fully discussed your point of view
xo 🙂
p.s. all the ‘squares’ are smiley faces : )
oh except for the one after “these huge numbers”… that’s a sad face : (
Thanks for replying, will I see the ironic that my life is just a number can be restored , why do you think covid will develop in a certain way that will kill even the younger and the ones with good immune system? There was a time people lived without vaccines , it is actually was before two centuries, and yes they had to depend on their natural immune system and primitive treatments , I would like to start with several points , viruses existed before us ( 3.5 billion years ago ) viruses represent 10 of human genom ( bc they can embed small chunks of their genom in our dna , they have major role in human development and evolution , 30% of protein adaptations since we seprated from chimpanzees was virus driven , protein play important role in human immune system and they do imortant roles in our body especially in our cells , so I don’t see viruses as the worst things happened to humanity even that they kill us , but they are playing major roles in our development , also they existed before us , do you think they will despair before us?? No they won’t, second point that I want to refer to is , coronavirus has virus ancestor existed 10000 years ago long time for those viruses to evolve and have highly deadly variations , so did they caused extinction to humankind? No , third point will be , hunger kills 9 millions of people worldwide and it is weakening the immune system that is responsible for our protection against harm invaders , and yes it kills people more than several viruses will do ,( if you looked at the rate of death), ironic if you compare it with the amount of food produced, if you looked to pandemics like influenza 1918 you would see it existed in a time during first world war and there was famine pandemics around the world so actually it wasn’t surprise that it killed roughly 50 million people estimated , and humanity had to live with influenza for 20 years before vaccine created and 27 to be widely available , do you think they locked themselves and quarantined all those years? There is a relation between covid19 and influenza they all attack the respiratory system and actually hardly to distinguish them without a test ( probably we will have such problem in the winter season) , this is why I see it as a good examble , the other point you referred to probably has economic view , that more people die more money losses , will I could say more people live more resources used and burden on economy , more people exist more pollution proplems we will have even if we returned to primative industries ( co2 release ), a lot of things will effect economy , and still we can live with them , don’t you think so? I want to refer also to the fact that the gap between the poor and wealthy is worsen , so it looks like the poor are the ones who is paying the price , another fact is that the worst economic crises happened bc lockdowns not by opening the economies , ironic! And this is why some countries are opening know and saying they won’t afford another lockdown even with rise in death numbers , it is just a time so all countries will do the same , oh and I almost forgotten , about india it is estimated that poverty rate was 28 of population 2019 ( united nation) , and india has increased poverty a lot since pandemic , also india have open defecation problem which is one way to transfer covid19 using fecal , last , the alternative to restrictions for me is , opening the economy and restore normality and freedom , other issues for this point I discussed already , but if you still have question you can reply to my post and I will be happy to answer.
just a little bit of sleep & will reply i promise <3
i’m sorryyyyy : ( : ( 🙁
after A LOT of sleep that night
& then having to run about through 2 very tiresome days where i barely woke up in time
i’ve listed many points i wish to talk to You about in your reply
but i think it will make us lose track if i write them all together
so, let’s take it one point at a time
i think there’s a sort of
‘Central Concept\Idea’
that governs your logic in this situation…
&, in my modest opinion,
i think this is really the root of the problem & the main cause of how You’re currently feeling about this topic
It seems to me that
You’re reasoning
that because viruses had always been there
& mass-death-toll-pandemics had historically always occurred
then
we should be okay with CoViD-19 occuring
& we should accept its mass-death-toll consequences as an event that is simply part of nature & part of human-development cycle
If i got it correctly,
then i first wish to say that i do understand your point
but
i think
there are [2]Key Issues that this concept\idea fails to consider
1}
Until very recently [in the entire span of human development]
humans didn’t have the correct scientific knowledge
&\or the required technological means
to actually prevent &\or treat viral & bacterial infections
& so, when we say, pandemics have always been a natural occurrence
this
does Not mean
that ‘giving up’\’surrendering’ to pandemics
& just watching
entire towns\neighborhoods
or an entire age-group\category of people
simultaneously get very ill & die
is also a ‘natural part of life’
or should be the ‘normal human response’
it was natural & normal before, because we simply didn’t have the ability to do anything about it
but now we do
2}
The value of human life
Yes, death is the natural, expected final ‘mile-stone’ to every living thing on this planet
that is certainly true
i’m Muslim, & in my religion, it is even believed to be a somewhat ‘carved-in-stone’ mile-stone… : )
that not only does every living thing die
every living thing dies
at a very precise timing
that No One & No Force in Heaven or on Earth could change
or do anything to postpone
that would probably seem like an even more
‘surrender-to-death’ concept
however
in that same destiny-based religion of mine [Islam]
&, i think, even in just
pure human logic
Humans
are Required
to Exert
Every Practically-Possible Effort
to Rescue, Save, Maintain, and even Prosper & Grow & Flourish
Life
Life in General
& Human Life in Particular
is So So Divinely Precious
if not based on belief\faith\religion
then at least based on the huge potential that every life
& every human
can contribute to this existence
by adopting &\or spreading love & good
& by resisting &\or fighting harm & evil
So even the very old, very ill men & women
are still valuable
because their mere existence is a drive & a force of love & care by others around them
& their loss would be a drive & a force of harm to anyone who loves\cares about them
many of those are grandfathers & grandmothers to children & teens
& fathers & mothers to the parents of these children & teens
Yes
it Most Certainly *Is* ‘only natural’ that they die
but that doesn’t mean that we can’t be allowed to care
& feel morally obliged
to do every practically-possible effort to keep them safe from harm
& to extend[in our eyes] their lives for as long as possible
because that too
is normal
& natural
Just like it’s normal & natural
for viruses to exist
& for pandemics to occur
It is normal & natural
for human life to have an immense value
& for humans to care for the lives of those around them
old & young
sick & healthy
For a very very long time, we didn’t have the knowledge or means to stop or fight against pandemics
& so it was normal & natural that mass-deaths occur
Now we do
& so it would be not normal & not natural that we still don’t do anything & pretend that we’re still unable to protect others
it can only be normal & natural
that we exert every possible effort we can
to stop\fight against pandemics
to protect the lives of everyone we can possibly protect
old & young
sick & healthy
they’re all equal in worth
they’re all human lives
<3
xo
[please be still here & safe,
& please write me back what You think <3]
P.S.[1]
i know there would still be an argument as to whether or not restrictions actually save lives
or that they might save some lives & harm other lives at the same time…
i know, we would then have to discuss whether or not we’re really doing the best we can against the pandemic… that’s another issue…
The point i’m addressing above is the concept of
‘we shouldn’t do anything at all & just let the pandemic run its course as a natural part of life’
—
P.S.[2]
*** Towards the end:
“Just like it’s normal & natural…”
that’s the Summary : D
Thanks for replying again , I saw your reply today , will I didn’t say we stay and don’t develop any vaccines or treatments for covid , my point about viruses is that they are not just bad but actually have advantages on us , at least in our evolutionary history , it is very very hard to eradicate viruses with vaccines and you have high chances you will never do , and you have to accept them coming in seasonal periods , with covid this is will never happen and it will stay like influenza, another point I referred to was that poverty is one reason for deaths in such pandemics, bc they impact the immune system and weaken it against viruses and even regular fever could kill them , they are in high rates in a lot of countries , this is why covid have high chance in such societies to kill them , also I referred to the fact that those with weak immune system or old even with two doses of vaccine they will have a chance to die and the numbers showing that they are the ones who is dying now , closing impacted economies and you have glopal economies destroyed or on their way , this will lead to wars eventually, will lead to high rates of poverty , and the numbers is showing this already , we can’t afford more closing even if it mean people will die , the other choice we have and I already said covid wil not despair is living in a world with third world war , you think it will not happen? This will happen with destroyed economies and this is why we have wars , so yes people with immune system will die with covid or not , also lockdowns was the reason we didn’t exposed to influenza last year so we didn’t develop immune responce wich mean we wil have hard influenza season , every care about lives you should think of a future with destroyed economies and high rates of poverty , so covid is not the danger as I said before , I discussed other issues very clearly to get to this point , oh and their is the resistance against antibiotics from viruses and bacteria so we should not depen on antibiotics or vaccines with every infection or the resistance will worsen and the antibiotics will not work , their is resarch made on this issue please look at them.
If you care* sorry for mistake
I was busy for several days but thanks for thinking about me , will I see your main point clearly about saving lives , and that we didn’t have the scientific knowledge to save lives in the previous pandimics , will vaccines usually take years to be developed with covid this was exceptional situation , but even vaccines have side effects have to be considered and this is why it was long process lasted for years to develop vaccines , I want you to consider that in previous pandemics there was several variables that affected the rate of deaths by viruses , there was severe pollution from factories and wars and famine , so the high numbers is not just do to lack of vaccines or treatments , human immune system is very powerful and a lot of people get exposed to seasonal viruses without vaccines , everytime they catch the infection they produce antibodies and this is the same work or idea of vaccines , the difference is that we develop this immunity by exposing to infections , this will lead to herd immunity eventually , vaccines against covid doesn’t look they are solving the problem and stopping the virus neither the lockdowns , if you looked to countries with high rates of vaccinations you see a new variants and high numbers of infections , you will see it happing between the ones who is vaccinated , deaths hospitalization occur but less , and if you looked to countries that used lockdown you will see the same problem everytime they open the economy or allow people to go outside , so why you think lockdowns and vaccines are the only effective way to end the pandemic or they are the get out exit? This is not the situation we witness , can humanity live with the strategy of lockdowns for years or can the vaccines stop or eradicate the virus? No , it is not just about immunity against covid19 , but also it is about accepting the fact that the virus will not go away , and we have to live with it , if you said human lives matter and we will not risk losing more lives by opening , and we should sacrifice long years of our lives , than you have to accept the reality that economies , modern infrastructure , education , crimes , suicide , poverty , and wars will be the reality you have to exchange with , I don’t see a way out of this pandemic other than living with the virus and vaccines , absolutely lockdowns will not work , waiting to hear your response.
Sorry for mistakes in typing it was bc correction typing in my phone , hope you don’t mind and understand.
i’m so Sooo glad You’re here, i was really worried <3
i don't mind anyyything & i understood everything You said : )
will read again & look up some things & reply again tomorrow
please stay safe,
we're still talking,
okay
<3
xo
I want to added , this world will collapse with more lockdowns and anyone who support them will lose their freedom , if they didn’t stop pandemic this year and after the high vaccination rates , they will never do so , this is the time people have to stand up and refuse the regressive ideas supported by the media or by politicians, and defend their rights , people should have the common sense to protect themselves in regard of their health , hope I convinced you.
my studies are in the way but i’m still reading so our discussion is meaningful
i appreciate your effort & time in writing & clarifying your point of view, i do mean it
<3 xo