easy one, I’ve made this choice multiple times; super depressed and a good person. I can’t even be complicit in anything harmful, especially to children
man though, if I could have sucked up my morality, I’d be richer right now I’ll tell you that for sure.
well, kept working for one. Especially at my last two mental health jobs, if I could have just cared about myself more than my morality, more than doing right by clients…. At one of those jobs I was a rising star, It was 5 years to a six figure salary, or seven if I really threw morality to the wind and cashed out of the system. It’s a corrupt system and you can name your price, or at least that’s what it looked like then. Maybe I’m incompetent, maybe not caring about client welfare is just a required trait I never figured out how to learn. I saw a lot of people with good intentions who’d been bought out, and I couldn’t be one of them
Ya some people who are in sales/real estate can make a ton if they throw ethics out the window.
For example when the housing market was doing good a couple of years ago, a close relative (call her Mary) was suckered into buy two properties.
The agent took advantage of their friend and sold one house in another city…in a bad area, though the house was expensive. They bought it site-unseen because they foolishly trusted this person and bought a second commerical unit.
Now they’re in debt, they have a company but it’s barely getting by because of the pandemic. Fortunately the spouse is working and making ends meet…but they’re in financial trouble because of these properties and have even considered bankruptcy.
So ya if people have no feelings and want to make a buck and let some ‘sucker’ hold the bag, then it’s possible to rip others off and make money….though ofc these real estate agents won’t get referrals now and will get a bad rep.
But it’s also about ‘buyer beware.’ Had Mary asked me I would’ve told her not to do it…because people who are well off are also arrogant and think they make great decisions and that lower income people like me have nothing to teach them. In a way they got what they deserved for being stuck up, but because it is a family member I care about, I don’t want her in this bad position.
I’m like you HV…in my late teens I did a call center job where we worked for a charity, using starving kids to get money out of old people, just playing on their guilt…it killed me, I could never take advantage of others for deceitful reasons. While everything they were doing was legal, it was still unethical imo, so I quit after a couple of days.
If I was in a job that paid a lot and I was ripping off rich people, I could maybe handle that better since I know they’d take a small hit and I’d get richer, but still it’s just not in my nature.
I think that’s why ruthless, uncaring people get far and end up being CEO’s of companies…while good, decent people usually don’t advance too much.
and that’s just it, I don’t have it in me to be content without advancement. If I’m going to go do a job that I don’t want to do, there better be some kind of potential for advancement, I need a shot at being influential, or substantial compensation
neither appears possible. I just looked at a job board for the first time in three months, and everything remotely interesting to me requires another degree and or 3+ years in the industry. I’m fed up, I tried to do my time while I was still young and ambitious
if I’m going to be nothing, I’d rather do it in a way that I enjoy….. the whole economy is nothing but a shit marketplace, everybody trying to convince other people to buy their shit, all the while producing nothing of worth, adding nothing to the human experience, and actively taking years away from the poor folks the system rips off.
Club Soda12/11/2023 - 10:53 pm
*friendship
-also forgot to add, the agents told them, “don’t worry” it’s a great market, you’ll make a lot of money…” etc.
So they blindly trusted them, because they were friends and it turned out later they were conned.
Partly it may be the case that everyone thought the market would keep rising, but ofc it was near the top…now they’re stuck.
Club Soda12/11/2023 - 11:03 pm
Agreed with you HV, I think we all expect to pay our dues in our youth, work like a dog and then hope we get a decent income, house, etc.
At this point I’m sick of struggling and have no desire to do any more degrees or courses and no guarantees of any payoff.
I do have other ideas I’m working on and hopefully one will work out for me…but ya I also feel too old for the struggle.
If not for a few lovely people in my life, I wouldn’t be here right now.
I played the game and lost so I’m sick of scraping by while seeing others around me lead cushy lives, and getting everything they wanted.
My scummy father could’ve done a lot to get me and my mother further ahead…but he only cared about himself. Ofc I never wanted to depend on anyone and make it on my own, but that hasn’t worked out.
Still as mentioned I’m going to keep trying at least until my 60s and if my family is around….but if I lose the two most important people in my life right now, then I won’t have any other reason to keep going…and will seek out Maid (euthanasia).
eternaldarkness12/11/2023 - 11:37 pm
“I think we all expect to pay our dues in our youth, work like a dog and then hope we get a decent income, house, etc.”
That’s the lie brainwashed into us by society to keep the masses in line and quelled. if we all knew this was bullshit, we’d have revolted. but brainwashing is so easy for the elites to do, bc ppl are dumb and will believe it. i mean, i did, until i started working my first job and realized that it was total bs. i guess i’ve been red-pilled before the term even existed (this was 2 decades ago). yes, so i’ve been discontent, jaded, and angry at the system for quite some time now.
funny how many ppl who have been red-pilled have only realized it since around covid. but i was made to be the a weirdo having these same thoughts way back then. i was cast aside, treated like a black sheep, for having the thoughts i did. only *now* some ppl have come around to my way of thinking. -_-
Plainwhite12/11/2023 - 1:16 am
I had to think about it, but I choose good & depressed
it doesn’t matter what “label” they are given or not given. The DSM-V no longer has the terms Sociopath and Psychopath. They’ve changed it to ASPD. But labels are just labels, and what DSM classifies mean nothing. It’s all a ruse to extract money (insurance, drugs, reimbursement, etc).
Anyhow, there exists a lot more ppl than you think that are selfish/evil/don’t care about others, and are very happy. Whatever “label” you stick on them.
And they’re the most happy bc they do not have the moral conflicts the rest of us have.
also, ppl don’t seem to understand that most ppl who do not care about others are not the anti-social outcast serial killers that society portrays as a sociopath or psychopath. there are many ppl like the Ted Bundy’s (minus the killing) who are very charismatic and manipulative. And they have very little feelings for others and have no qualms about using and manipulating others for their gain.
Hmm, I wonder if evil people know they’re evil…usually sociopaths blame everyone else for their own problems and mistakes.
I think good people win the long game…even if they stay moderate in their income.
They have a clear conscience. They’re usually liked by those around them and develop healthy relationships.
Just imagine if one is evil, that you ripped off an old person (like my example above) or you harmed/hurt some innocent person in some way.
Maybe they get haunted by feelings of guilt and shame for they’ve done. I know some sociopathic people just don’t have the normal wiring in the brain we do and cannot feel such things…but I think most people can.
For me then ‘depressed and good’ is the better option, it’s been my life for the most part anyways.
eternaldarkness12/11/2023 - 11:23 pm
yes, most evil ppl know they’re evil, and they typically do it for gain- ie manipulating for money, etc. very rare to find someone who doesn’t know the difference between good and evil.
speaking about the masses- the most selfish and manipulative ppl make it the highest in this life, in this shitty corrupt world. we’re not talking just politicians or CEOs. but even ppl who become managers, directors, vp’s, etc. or ppl making high 6 figure salaries. they don’t get there by being nice and caring about ppl- they usually get there by doing whatever they needed to get there. and the “best” ones are the ones that fool the world – you know those ppl who appear so sweet and say and do all the right things, but are really just phony, and know how to easily manipulate people. THEY are the ones that do the best in this fucking life. UGH.
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easy one, I’ve made this choice multiple times; super depressed and a good person. I can’t even be complicit in anything harmful, especially to children
man though, if I could have sucked up my morality, I’d be richer right now I’ll tell you that for sure.
what would u have done that’d have garnered riches?
well, kept working for one. Especially at my last two mental health jobs, if I could have just cared about myself more than my morality, more than doing right by clients…. At one of those jobs I was a rising star, It was 5 years to a six figure salary, or seven if I really threw morality to the wind and cashed out of the system. It’s a corrupt system and you can name your price, or at least that’s what it looked like then. Maybe I’m incompetent, maybe not caring about client welfare is just a required trait I never figured out how to learn. I saw a lot of people with good intentions who’d been bought out, and I couldn’t be one of them
Ya some people who are in sales/real estate can make a ton if they throw ethics out the window.
For example when the housing market was doing good a couple of years ago, a close relative (call her Mary) was suckered into buy two properties.
The agent took advantage of their friend and sold one house in another city…in a bad area, though the house was expensive. They bought it site-unseen because they foolishly trusted this person and bought a second commerical unit.
Now they’re in debt, they have a company but it’s barely getting by because of the pandemic. Fortunately the spouse is working and making ends meet…but they’re in financial trouble because of these properties and have even considered bankruptcy.
So ya if people have no feelings and want to make a buck and let some ‘sucker’ hold the bag, then it’s possible to rip others off and make money….though ofc these real estate agents won’t get referrals now and will get a bad rep.
But it’s also about ‘buyer beware.’ Had Mary asked me I would’ve told her not to do it…because people who are well off are also arrogant and think they make great decisions and that lower income people like me have nothing to teach them. In a way they got what they deserved for being stuck up, but because it is a family member I care about, I don’t want her in this bad position.
I’m like you HV…in my late teens I did a call center job where we worked for a charity, using starving kids to get money out of old people, just playing on their guilt…it killed me, I could never take advantage of others for deceitful reasons. While everything they were doing was legal, it was still unethical imo, so I quit after a couple of days.
If I was in a job that paid a lot and I was ripping off rich people, I could maybe handle that better since I know they’d take a small hit and I’d get richer, but still it’s just not in my nature.
I think that’s why ruthless, uncaring people get far and end up being CEO’s of companies…while good, decent people usually don’t advance too much.
and that’s just it, I don’t have it in me to be content without advancement. If I’m going to go do a job that I don’t want to do, there better be some kind of potential for advancement, I need a shot at being influential, or substantial compensation
neither appears possible. I just looked at a job board for the first time in three months, and everything remotely interesting to me requires another degree and or 3+ years in the industry. I’m fed up, I tried to do my time while I was still young and ambitious
if I’m going to be nothing, I’d rather do it in a way that I enjoy….. the whole economy is nothing but a shit marketplace, everybody trying to convince other people to buy their shit, all the while producing nothing of worth, adding nothing to the human experience, and actively taking years away from the poor folks the system rips off.
*friendship
-also forgot to add, the agents told them, “don’t worry” it’s a great market, you’ll make a lot of money…” etc.
So they blindly trusted them, because they were friends and it turned out later they were conned.
Partly it may be the case that everyone thought the market would keep rising, but ofc it was near the top…now they’re stuck.
Agreed with you HV, I think we all expect to pay our dues in our youth, work like a dog and then hope we get a decent income, house, etc.
At this point I’m sick of struggling and have no desire to do any more degrees or courses and no guarantees of any payoff.
I do have other ideas I’m working on and hopefully one will work out for me…but ya I also feel too old for the struggle.
If not for a few lovely people in my life, I wouldn’t be here right now.
I played the game and lost so I’m sick of scraping by while seeing others around me lead cushy lives, and getting everything they wanted.
My scummy father could’ve done a lot to get me and my mother further ahead…but he only cared about himself. Ofc I never wanted to depend on anyone and make it on my own, but that hasn’t worked out.
Still as mentioned I’m going to keep trying at least until my 60s and if my family is around….but if I lose the two most important people in my life right now, then I won’t have any other reason to keep going…and will seek out Maid (euthanasia).
“I think we all expect to pay our dues in our youth, work like a dog and then hope we get a decent income, house, etc.”
That’s the lie brainwashed into us by society to keep the masses in line and quelled. if we all knew this was bullshit, we’d have revolted. but brainwashing is so easy for the elites to do, bc ppl are dumb and will believe it. i mean, i did, until i started working my first job and realized that it was total bs. i guess i’ve been red-pilled before the term even existed (this was 2 decades ago). yes, so i’ve been discontent, jaded, and angry at the system for quite some time now.
funny how many ppl who have been red-pilled have only realized it since around covid. but i was made to be the a weirdo having these same thoughts way back then. i was cast aside, treated like a black sheep, for having the thoughts i did. only *now* some ppl have come around to my way of thinking. -_-
I had to think about it, but I choose good & depressed
I don’t think you can be evil & happy at the same time, unless you’re a psychopath or sociopath.
i’ve encountered a lot of evil and happy ppl. the happiest were the ones who were the most selfish and uncaring towards others.
That seems to fit. Are you sure they weren’t ASPD?
it doesn’t matter what “label” they are given or not given. The DSM-V no longer has the terms Sociopath and Psychopath. They’ve changed it to ASPD. But labels are just labels, and what DSM classifies mean nothing. It’s all a ruse to extract money (insurance, drugs, reimbursement, etc).
Anyhow, there exists a lot more ppl than you think that are selfish/evil/don’t care about others, and are very happy. Whatever “label” you stick on them.
And they’re the most happy bc they do not have the moral conflicts the rest of us have.
also, ppl don’t seem to understand that most ppl who do not care about others are not the anti-social outcast serial killers that society portrays as a sociopath or psychopath. there are many ppl like the Ted Bundy’s (minus the killing) who are very charismatic and manipulative. And they have very little feelings for others and have no qualms about using and manipulating others for their gain.
very true.
Hmm, I wonder if evil people know they’re evil…usually sociopaths blame everyone else for their own problems and mistakes.
I think good people win the long game…even if they stay moderate in their income.
They have a clear conscience. They’re usually liked by those around them and develop healthy relationships.
Just imagine if one is evil, that you ripped off an old person (like my example above) or you harmed/hurt some innocent person in some way.
Maybe they get haunted by feelings of guilt and shame for they’ve done. I know some sociopathic people just don’t have the normal wiring in the brain we do and cannot feel such things…but I think most people can.
For me then ‘depressed and good’ is the better option, it’s been my life for the most part anyways.
yes, most evil ppl know they’re evil, and they typically do it for gain- ie manipulating for money, etc. very rare to find someone who doesn’t know the difference between good and evil.
speaking about the masses- the most selfish and manipulative ppl make it the highest in this life, in this shitty corrupt world. we’re not talking just politicians or CEOs. but even ppl who become managers, directors, vp’s, etc. or ppl making high 6 figure salaries. they don’t get there by being nice and caring about ppl- they usually get there by doing whatever they needed to get there. and the “best” ones are the ones that fool the world – you know those ppl who appear so sweet and say and do all the right things, but are really just phony, and know how to easily manipulate people. THEY are the ones that do the best in this fucking life. UGH.
You both have good points.
Thanks Plain and likewise.
lol i just realized ur usernames make- “plain white club soda” 😛