Because people who have bad lives make the unforgivable mistake of having kids and passing on their suffering/misery to them.
As for the ones with cushy lives…their parents either fell into it by luck or they were good, smart people that planned it out and wanted to give their kids a better life than they had.
Too bad all parents/people couldn’t be smart enough to know when to and when not to have children…then there would be less pain, tears, sadness, suffering and misery in the world…that’s why we need some form of licensing to have kids…to prevent rotten people from reproducing.
just read this comment after replying on a different post. yes, i’ve always thought having children should require a license. i’ve thought that way for the last 25 years. too bad it won’t happen until world population hits like 15M, which won’t be long given how much fucking kids idiots spawn.
Ya that’s cause you’re very intelligent/well read…so you figured it out pretty quickly.
And I think you’re spot on, humans will keep popping out kids till they start telling us our planet can’t feed, house, clothe everyone so they have to stop…and do the China 1 child policy.
As for having licensing, the religious nutters will be up in arms…just as they are over abortion…they’re doing “god’s work” which is to overpopulate the planet till billions starve to death.
world population was ‘only’ 4.4B when i was born. population has fucking DOUBLED since I’ve been alive, and i’m not even that old. Currently at 8B now. most ppl don’t even understand what this means. it means that by the time i keel over, the population will double again and be ~16B.
the Earth can’t accommodate so many fucking humans. imagine 1 person living in a studio. now say you have 3 ppl in a studio (mother father baby). still doable tho it’s cramped and hell for your neighbors. now, imagine 10 ppl living in a studio. yeah, that’s what Earth is becoming.
there are tons of idiot humans that can’t comprehend that unchecked human population growth is going to be devastating when we reach that tipping point. and you have idiot republicans that consume right wing media that seriously believe that there is UNDERPOPULATION. like fucking idiots. like yes, MIDDLE income and middle income WHITE ppl aren’t having kids, but that doesn’t mean that poor ppl all across the US aren’t spawning like frogs. That goes for poor white ppl as well as poor minorities.
It’s a poor person thing. Educated smart ppl who are middle or upper class aren’t the ones having kids. All the poor ppl who shouldn’t be having kids are the ones having kids, of all races in the US. Hell, even the poor in India have curbed their population bc of massive education efforts by the Indian govt that explained how having children makes them poor, and keeps them poor. Even poor Indians know not to keep spawning, and hence their national GDP and economic well-being has skyrocketed. Americans need to have that same fucking education.
Totally agree…and I think poor people have little else but sex to entertain themselves. Combine that with drugs/alcohol, bad/broken homes, poor girls/boys find each other and whoops they make the same mistakes as their idiot parents…having kids when they can’t afford it…then live in poverty, misery, fighting over money…and the pattern continues.
Yes you’re right, good on India for trying to curb their overpopulation but there’s 1.4 billion of them, they should’ve figured it out when there was 500 million but better late than never I guess.
Imagine people everywhere you go…no rest/peace from crowds….and you’re right about the US too, thanks to religious nuts, they also perpetuate overpopulation.
Someone needs to invent a ‘peaceful (suicide) pill’….so that people who don’t want to be here, should have an easy way to get out of the bad lives that their parents put them in. That’d be a boon for the world esp those in dire poverty.
Like if I was a kid in Africa/India or another poor nation/place…then I’d be just about smart enough to know this is not a game I can win…and seek a way out.
There are many students in India who are depressed/suicidal because they don’t believe they can get jobs, since the competition is very high for so few opportunities.
What the hell kind of life is that for anyone? And yet the improverished dum.basses keep multiplying like animals.
Despite the troubles I’ve had, I’m so glad I live in Canada where at least there are chances for a person to make a better life…and plenty of social assistance if you’re struggling.
Ya this is true…sadly the US chose to be a nation of extreme wealth and extreme poverty….unlike Canada which has a fairly robust social safety net and a better distribution of wealth.
I care about other humans, insomuch as I know I could easily be in their shoes….some people like to see others downtrodden in life and laugh at their misery.
For me I want every person to be independent, strong and content in their life….why can’t we have a world where we care for others….no matter what they did in their lives and the stupid mistakes they made to end up in a bad place.
Ofc we should still have rules like we discussed earlier to prevent idiots from having kids for the reasons we mentioned.
eternaldarkness4/20/2024 - 11:11 pm
hell, if ppl really want everyone to have children, then at least LIMIT it to like 2 kids. NO ONE in 2024 should be having 8 kids or 19 kids or whatever other crackerjacks in the USA who’re having 10-20 fucking kids. Hell, ppl shouldn’t even be having more than 4 kids. Like why? And god knows the mother can’t look after ALL of them, especially 8 kids, 12 kids, etc. Or have enough income to properly take care of all of them.
“Because people who have bad lives make the unforgivable mistake of having kids and passing on their suffering/misery to them.”
>>Bc ppl who have depression think “if I have a baby, then I won’t be depressed anymore!” Which is FURTHEST from reality. Ppl who already have mental issues (NOT saying no one who is depressed should have a kid) but having children EXACERBATES any and all mental illnesses.
Indeed, not to mention they’ll pass on their mental illnesses to their kids…along with the poverty they’re in.
A relative of my mine is one such idiot….she’s just very lucky her spouse managed to land high paying work otherwise she’d be either homeless or living in poverty.
She got pregnant when she was not working and was unmarried…we all told her to abort but she kept the kid anyways….then whined later about not having enough money to survive on…fkg moron and as if it was someone else’s problem as well, to look after her and her stupid decisions.
It got so bad she admitted she was planning to end her life and her kids. But as mentioned luckily her spouse got good paying jobs, or they were screwed…she also landed a position later…but did it occur to her to maybe have a job first and then have kids? That’s how stupid some people are…people like her should’ve been aborted or had their tubes tied.
there’s also a shit ton of ppl i know online who have depression who want to get pregnant, and do get pregnant, bc they think “having a baby will take away their loneliness.” Like fucking idiots. That’s not a reason to create a life, so you can selfishly have “company” or think a baby is going to magically “get rid of their depression.” it won’t. 9/10 a baby exacerbates any mental or physical problem you already have and make it worse, not make it better. or women who think having a baby will make the husband interested in her again. no it won’t. i’m on other depression forums and these morons really do exist. if conditions aren’t good, having a baby will make it worse.
Ya exactly and now their baby will suffer too. There are some people who are so depressed they can barely look after themselves…how do you plan to care for a child which is a 24/7 job?
Not to mention kids get sick, so you’ll always be going to the doctor for something.
A child should be a product of a happy life…if both parents are successful, healthy, mentally stable, have a good home…only then consider having kids.
What are people thinking having a kid while they live on welfare? Some do it on purpose to get more social assistance money.
It comes down to our education system, which doesn’t focus on these important issues…and instead pushes math/science which ok they matter, but we need more classes to teach children about using protection, avoid getting pregnant, having a job before kids, etc.
Things that we consider to be common sense, but stuff that people only learn the hard way.
eternaldarkness4/22/2024 - 12:18 am
you assume ppl learn? O_o
the world would be a better place if we had just a simple restriction of 2 kids per couple. 2 kids is more than enough. why does anyone need 4, 5, 6+ kids? it’s all the ppl who *shouldn’t* have kids who have them, and have a shit ton.
sigh. i wish i had been aborted and never born. 40+ years of fucking poverty, illness, and misery. it’s not fair i was robbed of a life. and then i see all these happy fuckers who’ve had nothing GOODNESS their entire lives- ppl who grew up with loving supportive parents, with a middle class childhood, with everything they ever wanted/needed, with no worries and all the advantages in life. and then they turn around and tell you to just “pull yourself up by your bootstraps.” fuckers.
Soda4/24/2024 - 8:28 pm
I hear where you’re coming from…though I think 2-4 kids is reasonable. I have 2 sisters and growing up it made it more fun as we shared friends, went to different kinds of parties.
I was actually close to my middle sister (she’s 2 yrs younger) and she’s always had smoking hot friends…girls I could only dream of meeting on my own.
It wouldn’t always work out as hoped, sometimes she’d ‘c*ckblock’ me from dating them when she wanted to keep them for herself…but I digress.
But she became more of a selfish lunatic as she got older…but it was always there-it’s just that when times were good for my family we all got along a lot better. It’s too bad she became such a terrible, toxic person but she only listens to the voice in her own head and never anyone else.
Still to this day I would’ve liked to remain friends with her. She even asked one time why we don’t get along or why I chose our other sister as the favorite. I chose nobody, the youngest one treats me equally and with respect while the middle one insults and badmouths me, usually behind my back and sometimes to my face…she also poisoned her kids minds against me.
If she wasn’t a maniac, I would’ve been happy to have her in my life. Overall I still think 3-4 siblings is a good number but above that is not necessary.
What we need to do is prevent broke people from having any kids at all…since they’ll just bring misery into their lives.
As for being aborted-I’m with you there…my life has been siimilar, being lower-income, watching everyone else have a fun life and get everything they wanted and I was hoping my luck would change. I came very close many times…but it’s not good enough.
It’s even worse when you’re close to getting what you wanted because you know you could’ve had that ‘good thing’ whatever it is…but didn’t. 50 plus years later I’m struggling while my friends are looking to have free and clear homes and comfy retirements.
I would’ve prefered not to have been born either….except I know nobody would look after my mom and she’d end up on the streets…maybe get beaten/kidnapped, die in some horrible way. So for that alone, I’ve always postponed my own ‘demise’ until I know my mom is living safely with my youngest sister or passes away…then I’ll be free.
As I know the rest of my family is fine, I can diie in peace after. You know what also bothers me is that my middle sister and her spouse would’ve never been wheree they are today without my help and not once have they even said so much as a ‘thank for being there.’
They’re financially very well off now buying houses here and there….knowing full well my mom and I are just getting by.
At the very least you’d think she’d have some consideration to even help us with a downpayment to get us out of our hole…nope they don’t give a crap.
Same with my other sister, she was a bit more helpful but same thing when she had a lot of money they made stupid investments but didn’t think even once to help us out.
Meanwhile I’m the type to bend over backwards for family and it’d bother me to no end, if my sister was stuck with my mom in a bad place, I’d do anything to get them in a better situation, including making room in my own home if I had it.
Sick,, twisted world we live in….I think I’m a rare breed….it seems the normal thing is to be selfish and leave your family behind in a hell hole when you can do better for yourself. People are rotten.
Soda4/24/2024 - 8:40 pm
I’ll add I’m also too forgiving…I have to keep in mind not to help those who never helped me when I was down, including the youngest.
She has a partly generous side, but tossing a few thousand here and there is not fundamentally going to change anyone’s life. And while she actually helped my mom (never me), I still intend to pay her back.
If I play my cards right, I think I might come into a good income myself. Previously I thought about helping her…but she just sat by and watched as my mom and I struggled while she was doing her fancy ski-trips and investing in properties, so I’ll be sure to do the same if-big if, I manage to get financially welll off…we’ll see.
Given my lack of luck in life, I don’t expect to ‘hit it big’….so I don’t expect it, but I’m smart and know some things about investing/trading so I might be able to pull it off, we’ll see. Heck I’ll be happy if it allows me to at least leave my current job and work for myself…even if it’s not a big income, nothing like independence.
Soda4/24/2024 - 8:56 pm
Sorry forgot to address you’re last point…you’re spot on, the same people who tell others to “pull themselves up…” tend to be middle or upper class.
I see this same arrogance and stupidity from managers….if you have health issues, they don’t really believe you and find ways to “catch you lying” by jumping on any tiny mistakes your Dr might make in filling out a form for instance.
Then at the same time, they lecture to you about how they’d just change their situation (if they were in your shoes)….ignoring the fact tha you have health problems that are preventing you from making big changes as easily as they say they could. Oh and as if you didn’t already think about it or make plans to move either (for instance).
Makes you wish it was possible not only to throw your health problem onto others but also your life situation so these retards could understand the enormous difficulties you’re going through and that one should be applauded for simply enduring these issues and going on.
eternaldarkness4/25/2024 - 1:43 am
my oldest sister is a selfish b!tch. while my 2nd sister, me, and my younger brother were living in poverty, my sister was out buying thousand dollar shoes and ten thousand dollar purses (no it’s not even her money, she married well). and did she help ANY of us? the most she did was buy a $10 bedsheet set for my brother and little shit like that. when questioned, not even me asking why she didn’t help me, but someone asked why she didn’t help any of us out- she said “why should i help, i’m not obligated to, i’m not your mother.” no, not legally obligated, but MORALLY it’s the right thing to do to help out your younger siblings, especially when she had so much money to piss away on ten thousand dollar hermes and louis vuitton purses and shit. looking good and buying expensive shoes and purses? check. giving even $100 to your siblings who don’t even have shoes without HOLES to wear? Nope.
i’m surrounded by callous assholes. even my 2nd sister who is on friendly terms with 1st sister still hates her for that shit, for being selfish af. ofc she plays nice with her and doesn’t openly say anything out loud, bc “she’s a christian.” pfft.
well i don’t forget and forgive shit like that. even 2nd sister who i hate and who is friendly with 1st sister won’t let that shit go either. again, only 1 know how 2nd sister feels, despite the fact that she and i don’t talk, bc i know her and how she thinks. and she doesn’t forget and forgive either, but as a “good christian” she won’t say anything out loud or show it. but i’ll definitely show it. i don’t forget shitty c*nty behaviour. i was literally fucking STARVING growing up. and she didn’t do a goddamn thing to help any of us.
in the end, she did wind up helping my brother, and ONLY my brother, bc mother pushed my sister to help. and mother cared ONLY bc it was one and only beloved son, the only child she gives a shit about, bc he’s a boy, bc obviously girls lives aren’t worth anything. despite the fact she, herself, is a female. fucking idiot backwards thinking. UGH.
i can’t fucking take this shit. my whole life is ruined bc my whole life i’ve been shitted on by my family, who are sefish af, both my mother and oldest sister. and father was a POS who didn’t give a rats ass about any of his female children, only the ONE son, so fuck him too. they were all shitty.
i literally had a father hate me and not give me a dime bc i was born female, and a mother hate me and not give me a dime bc i was born female, and a sister who married well-to-do not help one iota bc she’s “not legally obligated to.” fucking selfish c*nt. there’s a 12 year age gap between her and my youngest brother, so yes, she was always older and able to help us, if she wanted to.
well my 2 sisters and my mother all hated me bc i was prettier than they were and they were jealous. my life is literally Cinderella, except I had evil sisters and mother, not evil step-sisters and step-mother. And also without Prince Charming to whisk me away from this shitty life of poverty.
And I was the idiot who wanted to achieve something on my own, without relying on a man or marrying a man just for his money, like EVERY fucking woman I knew back in college/in my 20s. FUCK. That’s what I get for having morals and principles. THEY all wound up marrying rich or well to do fuckers, while I tried to do it on my own and then getting run over by a POS driver and poof* my life is over. Every other female I know is a stay at home wife, doing nothing but shopping and more shopping. And living cushy lives doing nothing. Meanwhile, the person that had integrity, ie me, is alone and suffer.
I so regret not being a b*tch like almost every other girl I knew.
UGH. THIS is why I am so fucking mad. I’m tired of this fucking life.
Soda4/26/2024 - 3:52 am
Eternal-pls scroll down, I commented below so it’s easier to read and reply.
heartlessviking4/21/2024 - 12:51 am
coming from the other side, having a relatively cushy life, I’ve spent most of my life trying to figure that out, and I even dedicated my career to trying to shift the needle, still, works out better for me than for them, seems like.
I can say, if you grow up in comfort, and have access to that comfort, eventually you hit a point where you can’t deny yourself to try and seek out equality anymore. There’s some kind of psychological breaking point. I hit it a few years ago, and so I’m still trying to help people, but I can’t go any lower.
It continues to fascinate me, looking at people in different circumstances, and they still engage with stuff that’s obviously a scam, IE, certain jobs, certain companies. There are known exploiters, and sometimes people seem to wallow in being exploited. If I could figure that one out…… we might make a breakthrough on long term poverty.
Or that might just be my ego running away with me. It just looks like there are some obvious rats in the pool, and we could certainly skim them out…… but noooo somehow the rats get floaties, it’s an imperfect metaphor, but damn I don’t get how the rats have better lobbyists than the people swimming in the pool. No one dares kick a damn rat
and where do they keep coming from? That’s what I want to know.
Ya there’s nothing quite like the betrayal from your own family esp. when it comes to money.
I’ll never understand how people can be so cruel, callous, selfish when they stumble into “good fortune” in their lives.
Just one of your sister’s designer bags could’ve been transformational to your family. If I was her, I’d squirrel away as much as I could to aid my family and get them out of their rotten situation.
Perhaps you’re from a culture that doesn’t value females, which is really horrible.
I also agree it’s a ‘moral obligation’ to help family. How could people, who’ve been in the dirt/poverty and see their siblings suffer and starve, then decide to leave them behind when they’ve done well for themselves?
Where is the compassion, the shame, the care? About the only justification is if the other siblings were abusive/mean/cruel, which is rare but in that case it can be justified.
But this is the type of world we live it. I saw an interview with celebrities who talked about their wealth and if they’d pass them on to their kids.
It was a mixed response, some of them said basically the kids are on their own, they had to make their own money and why should they get an easy life…they were going to give it all away to charity.
Then others celebs said they’d definitely pass it down so their kids will have a better life than they did.
I can’t understand why people are selfish even when it comes to family but that’s reality and I guess one can only hope they were born into a generous family-which I think is rarer.
I don’t think selfishness is conducive to a health society…but then try convincing self-serving azzholes to be nice/helpful, it won’t happen.
You are right-you tried to take the noble and ethical route and it didn’t really work out. You were better off to take advantage of rich guys when you had the chance.
At least women have the advantage-esp if they’re good looking to bag a rich husband and it’s also acceptable in society…but not so for a poor attractive man marrying a woman for her money.
Ofc the best is to make your own wealth and you’d never have to depend on anyone, but that isn’t easy to do…but if you pull it off then you can decide who to be helpful to or not.
did you know, i used to be a model and actress when i was younger. i was a financial analyst as my official job, as i had a finance degree, but i did modeling and acting on the side. i was very pretty. i could have taken advantage of my looks and used ppl like every other pretty person, but i chose not to. i was a good and moral person, always helping others, but never fucking received anything back. i chose to work hard and use my intelligence and skills to get ahead in life, only to get kicked in the face by sexism, racism, and evil karen bosses.
i’m so fucking tired of it all. had i just been a lazy shit who took advantage of others and found a rich man to manipulate and control like most women do, i wouldn’t be in this situation. i’m middle aged now, and also disabled, so no one is going to want me now. so much for working hard and trying to achieve success on my own merit.
Well I’ve seen life as something of an amusement park or casino. It seems like a fun place, it can be but the games are rigged against you. You try your best to ‘win’ some succeed some don’t.
We all wish we had that ‘dolce vita’ good life…but for some of us it doesn’t work out as we hoped.
I haven’t reached my proverbial ‘rock bottom’ yet but came close a few times. As much as I keep wishing/dreaming that my life will improve, I know the odds are against me.
However I keep trying because I’m still doing “ok”….and so long as I’m able-bodied I’ll keep trying. If however I develop serious health issues or my life falls apart, then I’ll apply for Maid.
Some of us value our life far too much when it’s trash and cannot improve much. It’s important to have a very clear, objective view of our situation.
Ofc bring a bad life to an end is also very difficult but it is doable-if one does their research and is desperate enough.
In my case I’ll keep trying till my 60s because I think I still have the potential to change thigns…but I know I’m just another human who lived and died like millions who came before me. And few would notice or care if I disappeared tomorrow.
Every year something like 20k people use Maid in Canada to end their lives. I”d say they’re the lucky ones.
“How could people, who’ve been in the dirt/poverty and see their siblings suffer and starve, then decide to leave them behind when they’ve done well for themselves?”
>>bc she’s a fucking selfish c*unt is why. she literally does not care about anyone else but herself, just like my mother. they are the same kind of person. and somehow *I* am the bad person bc I refuse to talk to her or play nice with her. I also won’t talk to my other sister who is even WORSE to me.
Goddamnit Soda, out of all the fucking families, why do I have to be born to such a shitty family with such shitty ppl? The whole lot of them. My mother and oldest sister are selfish c*nts, my father is a POS, my 2nd sister is hateful and enjoyed torturing me. my brother was the one one that wasn’t horrible to me but he’s not exactly good to me either.
Did I even have a chance at a normal happy life to begin with?
Ya my middle sister (I’m the oldest) is a *****…she could’ve decided to be a good person but she opted for selfishness which lead to many arguments/battles over the years and us drifting apart…then she can’t seem to understand why we’re not close.
My youngest used to be nicer but she was corrupted by her money-grubbing POS husband who’s arrogant and looks down on anyone who doesn’t have much money (he had a company which was doing well but now is going down). Without him she would’ve remained more generous and helpful.
You’re right Eternal, we are thrown into bad lives and families…and suffer as a result through no fault of our own.
Clearly you had no chance at having a normal or good life…I feel the same about myself.
I normally don’t talk about my looks, I have mixed feelings about it as I’m not ‘perfect’ in my own sense of being ideal…but when I was in my late teens I had people suggest I get into modeling. I never pursued it because I didn’t feel I passed the standard.
However I did feel I looked the best I could at the time and I felt all my potential was totally wasted as my dad was an azzhole and pushed me into working early cause he was a selfish prick like my sister and didn’t believe in giving an allowance-to his teenage son.
And even though I didn’t pursue a career in modeling I know I could’ve used my looks to attract a great partner…but instead I was forced to work, then pushed into university and had little time to find an s/o….though I tried and dated some girls-it was rare that I found someone I really liked.
It was wasted potential and it really bothers me because I didn’t take better advantage when I had it-thanks to my scummy dad who wouldn’t let me have a normal life….he did it to impress his friends.
The world looks very differently at you when you’re considered pretty…I felt special at times…but my poverty, my dad, my bad life, kept me feel down/depressed and I feel I missed out on so many good opportunities at meeting other girls I found to be beautiful.
What good is life if you’re poor? Your looks just go down the drain and you don’t get much respect either. Additionally I learned important lessons slowly and usually the hard way, because I never had a good mentor.
In hindsight I never realized how good I had it and if my family was just middle-class and my dad actually helped me financially my life would’ve been ten times better.
“Perhaps you’re from a culture that doesn’t value females, which is really horrible.”
>>That’s not even an excuse for my shitty ass parents. My childhood friends parents were all from the same culture, yes they did value sons more, but none of them treated their daughters like dirt like my parents did to me. That means they just CHOSE to be shitty to me and my 2nd sister. They both liked my oldest sister though (the selfish one). Go figure.
I agree, it goes without saying all kids should be loved, cared for and treated equally. I couldn’t imagine picking favorites if I had kids…but we have people who are mentally imbalanced who have kids and shouldn’t have reproduced…hence the rotten lives they suffer.
It becomes the stuff of books and movies, but society still does nothing to stop people from having babies when they shouldn’t. We need basic standards but nobody wants to touch that ‘third rail’ because it’s too controversial.
So the world goes on ignoring the plight of helpless, defenseless kids born to monsters who abuse them and destroy their lives.
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Because people who have bad lives make the unforgivable mistake of having kids and passing on their suffering/misery to them.
As for the ones with cushy lives…their parents either fell into it by luck or they were good, smart people that planned it out and wanted to give their kids a better life than they had.
Too bad all parents/people couldn’t be smart enough to know when to and when not to have children…then there would be less pain, tears, sadness, suffering and misery in the world…that’s why we need some form of licensing to have kids…to prevent rotten people from reproducing.
just read this comment after replying on a different post. yes, i’ve always thought having children should require a license. i’ve thought that way for the last 25 years. too bad it won’t happen until world population hits like 15M, which won’t be long given how much fucking kids idiots spawn.
Ya that’s cause you’re very intelligent/well read…so you figured it out pretty quickly.
And I think you’re spot on, humans will keep popping out kids till they start telling us our planet can’t feed, house, clothe everyone so they have to stop…and do the China 1 child policy.
As for having licensing, the religious nutters will be up in arms…just as they are over abortion…they’re doing “god’s work” which is to overpopulate the planet till billions starve to death.
world population was ‘only’ 4.4B when i was born. population has fucking DOUBLED since I’ve been alive, and i’m not even that old. Currently at 8B now. most ppl don’t even understand what this means. it means that by the time i keel over, the population will double again and be ~16B.
the Earth can’t accommodate so many fucking humans. imagine 1 person living in a studio. now say you have 3 ppl in a studio (mother father baby). still doable tho it’s cramped and hell for your neighbors. now, imagine 10 ppl living in a studio. yeah, that’s what Earth is becoming.
there are tons of idiot humans that can’t comprehend that unchecked human population growth is going to be devastating when we reach that tipping point. and you have idiot republicans that consume right wing media that seriously believe that there is UNDERPOPULATION. like fucking idiots. like yes, MIDDLE income and middle income WHITE ppl aren’t having kids, but that doesn’t mean that poor ppl all across the US aren’t spawning like frogs. That goes for poor white ppl as well as poor minorities.
It’s a poor person thing. Educated smart ppl who are middle or upper class aren’t the ones having kids. All the poor ppl who shouldn’t be having kids are the ones having kids, of all races in the US. Hell, even the poor in India have curbed their population bc of massive education efforts by the Indian govt that explained how having children makes them poor, and keeps them poor. Even poor Indians know not to keep spawning, and hence their national GDP and economic well-being has skyrocketed. Americans need to have that same fucking education.
Totally agree…and I think poor people have little else but sex to entertain themselves. Combine that with drugs/alcohol, bad/broken homes, poor girls/boys find each other and whoops they make the same mistakes as their idiot parents…having kids when they can’t afford it…then live in poverty, misery, fighting over money…and the pattern continues.
Yes you’re right, good on India for trying to curb their overpopulation but there’s 1.4 billion of them, they should’ve figured it out when there was 500 million but better late than never I guess.
Imagine people everywhere you go…no rest/peace from crowds….and you’re right about the US too, thanks to religious nuts, they also perpetuate overpopulation.
Someone needs to invent a ‘peaceful (suicide) pill’….so that people who don’t want to be here, should have an easy way to get out of the bad lives that their parents put them in. That’d be a boon for the world esp those in dire poverty.
Like if I was a kid in Africa/India or another poor nation/place…then I’d be just about smart enough to know this is not a game I can win…and seek a way out.
There are many students in India who are depressed/suicidal because they don’t believe they can get jobs, since the competition is very high for so few opportunities.
What the hell kind of life is that for anyone? And yet the improverished dum.basses keep multiplying like animals.
Despite the troubles I’ve had, I’m so glad I live in Canada where at least there are chances for a person to make a better life…and plenty of social assistance if you’re struggling.
as much as ppl shit on Canada, mainly bc of Trudeau, it’s still much better than the USA.
Ya this is true…sadly the US chose to be a nation of extreme wealth and extreme poverty….unlike Canada which has a fairly robust social safety net and a better distribution of wealth.
I care about other humans, insomuch as I know I could easily be in their shoes….some people like to see others downtrodden in life and laugh at their misery.
For me I want every person to be independent, strong and content in their life….why can’t we have a world where we care for others….no matter what they did in their lives and the stupid mistakes they made to end up in a bad place.
Ofc we should still have rules like we discussed earlier to prevent idiots from having kids for the reasons we mentioned.
hell, if ppl really want everyone to have children, then at least LIMIT it to like 2 kids. NO ONE in 2024 should be having 8 kids or 19 kids or whatever other crackerjacks in the USA who’re having 10-20 fucking kids. Hell, ppl shouldn’t even be having more than 4 kids. Like why? And god knows the mother can’t look after ALL of them, especially 8 kids, 12 kids, etc. Or have enough income to properly take care of all of them.
“Because people who have bad lives make the unforgivable mistake of having kids and passing on their suffering/misery to them.”
>>Bc ppl who have depression think “if I have a baby, then I won’t be depressed anymore!” Which is FURTHEST from reality. Ppl who already have mental issues (NOT saying no one who is depressed should have a kid) but having children EXACERBATES any and all mental illnesses.
Indeed, not to mention they’ll pass on their mental illnesses to their kids…along with the poverty they’re in.
A relative of my mine is one such idiot….she’s just very lucky her spouse managed to land high paying work otherwise she’d be either homeless or living in poverty.
She got pregnant when she was not working and was unmarried…we all told her to abort but she kept the kid anyways….then whined later about not having enough money to survive on…fkg moron and as if it was someone else’s problem as well, to look after her and her stupid decisions.
It got so bad she admitted she was planning to end her life and her kids. But as mentioned luckily her spouse got good paying jobs, or they were screwed…she also landed a position later…but did it occur to her to maybe have a job first and then have kids? That’s how stupid some people are…people like her should’ve been aborted or had their tubes tied.
there’s also a shit ton of ppl i know online who have depression who want to get pregnant, and do get pregnant, bc they think “having a baby will take away their loneliness.” Like fucking idiots. That’s not a reason to create a life, so you can selfishly have “company” or think a baby is going to magically “get rid of their depression.” it won’t. 9/10 a baby exacerbates any mental or physical problem you already have and make it worse, not make it better. or women who think having a baby will make the husband interested in her again. no it won’t. i’m on other depression forums and these morons really do exist. if conditions aren’t good, having a baby will make it worse.
Ya exactly and now their baby will suffer too. There are some people who are so depressed they can barely look after themselves…how do you plan to care for a child which is a 24/7 job?
Not to mention kids get sick, so you’ll always be going to the doctor for something.
A child should be a product of a happy life…if both parents are successful, healthy, mentally stable, have a good home…only then consider having kids.
What are people thinking having a kid while they live on welfare? Some do it on purpose to get more social assistance money.
It comes down to our education system, which doesn’t focus on these important issues…and instead pushes math/science which ok they matter, but we need more classes to teach children about using protection, avoid getting pregnant, having a job before kids, etc.
Things that we consider to be common sense, but stuff that people only learn the hard way.
you assume ppl learn? O_o
the world would be a better place if we had just a simple restriction of 2 kids per couple. 2 kids is more than enough. why does anyone need 4, 5, 6+ kids? it’s all the ppl who *shouldn’t* have kids who have them, and have a shit ton.
sigh. i wish i had been aborted and never born. 40+ years of fucking poverty, illness, and misery. it’s not fair i was robbed of a life. and then i see all these happy fuckers who’ve had nothing GOODNESS their entire lives- ppl who grew up with loving supportive parents, with a middle class childhood, with everything they ever wanted/needed, with no worries and all the advantages in life. and then they turn around and tell you to just “pull yourself up by your bootstraps.” fuckers.
I hear where you’re coming from…though I think 2-4 kids is reasonable. I have 2 sisters and growing up it made it more fun as we shared friends, went to different kinds of parties.
I was actually close to my middle sister (she’s 2 yrs younger) and she’s always had smoking hot friends…girls I could only dream of meeting on my own.
It wouldn’t always work out as hoped, sometimes she’d ‘c*ckblock’ me from dating them when she wanted to keep them for herself…but I digress.
But she became more of a selfish lunatic as she got older…but it was always there-it’s just that when times were good for my family we all got along a lot better. It’s too bad she became such a terrible, toxic person but she only listens to the voice in her own head and never anyone else.
Still to this day I would’ve liked to remain friends with her. She even asked one time why we don’t get along or why I chose our other sister as the favorite. I chose nobody, the youngest one treats me equally and with respect while the middle one insults and badmouths me, usually behind my back and sometimes to my face…she also poisoned her kids minds against me.
If she wasn’t a maniac, I would’ve been happy to have her in my life. Overall I still think 3-4 siblings is a good number but above that is not necessary.
What we need to do is prevent broke people from having any kids at all…since they’ll just bring misery into their lives.
As for being aborted-I’m with you there…my life has been siimilar, being lower-income, watching everyone else have a fun life and get everything they wanted and I was hoping my luck would change. I came very close many times…but it’s not good enough.
It’s even worse when you’re close to getting what you wanted because you know you could’ve had that ‘good thing’ whatever it is…but didn’t. 50 plus years later I’m struggling while my friends are looking to have free and clear homes and comfy retirements.
I would’ve prefered not to have been born either….except I know nobody would look after my mom and she’d end up on the streets…maybe get beaten/kidnapped, die in some horrible way. So for that alone, I’ve always postponed my own ‘demise’ until I know my mom is living safely with my youngest sister or passes away…then I’ll be free.
As I know the rest of my family is fine, I can diie in peace after. You know what also bothers me is that my middle sister and her spouse would’ve never been wheree they are today without my help and not once have they even said so much as a ‘thank for being there.’
They’re financially very well off now buying houses here and there….knowing full well my mom and I are just getting by.
At the very least you’d think she’d have some consideration to even help us with a downpayment to get us out of our hole…nope they don’t give a crap.
Same with my other sister, she was a bit more helpful but same thing when she had a lot of money they made stupid investments but didn’t think even once to help us out.
Meanwhile I’m the type to bend over backwards for family and it’d bother me to no end, if my sister was stuck with my mom in a bad place, I’d do anything to get them in a better situation, including making room in my own home if I had it.
Sick,, twisted world we live in….I think I’m a rare breed….it seems the normal thing is to be selfish and leave your family behind in a hell hole when you can do better for yourself. People are rotten.
I’ll add I’m also too forgiving…I have to keep in mind not to help those who never helped me when I was down, including the youngest.
She has a partly generous side, but tossing a few thousand here and there is not fundamentally going to change anyone’s life. And while she actually helped my mom (never me), I still intend to pay her back.
If I play my cards right, I think I might come into a good income myself. Previously I thought about helping her…but she just sat by and watched as my mom and I struggled while she was doing her fancy ski-trips and investing in properties, so I’ll be sure to do the same if-big if, I manage to get financially welll off…we’ll see.
Given my lack of luck in life, I don’t expect to ‘hit it big’….so I don’t expect it, but I’m smart and know some things about investing/trading so I might be able to pull it off, we’ll see. Heck I’ll be happy if it allows me to at least leave my current job and work for myself…even if it’s not a big income, nothing like independence.
Sorry forgot to address you’re last point…you’re spot on, the same people who tell others to “pull themselves up…” tend to be middle or upper class.
I see this same arrogance and stupidity from managers….if you have health issues, they don’t really believe you and find ways to “catch you lying” by jumping on any tiny mistakes your Dr might make in filling out a form for instance.
Then at the same time, they lecture to you about how they’d just change their situation (if they were in your shoes)….ignoring the fact tha you have health problems that are preventing you from making big changes as easily as they say they could. Oh and as if you didn’t already think about it or make plans to move either (for instance).
Makes you wish it was possible not only to throw your health problem onto others but also your life situation so these retards could understand the enormous difficulties you’re going through and that one should be applauded for simply enduring these issues and going on.
my oldest sister is a selfish b!tch. while my 2nd sister, me, and my younger brother were living in poverty, my sister was out buying thousand dollar shoes and ten thousand dollar purses (no it’s not even her money, she married well). and did she help ANY of us? the most she did was buy a $10 bedsheet set for my brother and little shit like that. when questioned, not even me asking why she didn’t help me, but someone asked why she didn’t help any of us out- she said “why should i help, i’m not obligated to, i’m not your mother.” no, not legally obligated, but MORALLY it’s the right thing to do to help out your younger siblings, especially when she had so much money to piss away on ten thousand dollar hermes and louis vuitton purses and shit. looking good and buying expensive shoes and purses? check. giving even $100 to your siblings who don’t even have shoes without HOLES to wear? Nope.
i’m surrounded by callous assholes. even my 2nd sister who is on friendly terms with 1st sister still hates her for that shit, for being selfish af. ofc she plays nice with her and doesn’t openly say anything out loud, bc “she’s a christian.” pfft.
well i don’t forget and forgive shit like that. even 2nd sister who i hate and who is friendly with 1st sister won’t let that shit go either. again, only 1 know how 2nd sister feels, despite the fact that she and i don’t talk, bc i know her and how she thinks. and she doesn’t forget and forgive either, but as a “good christian” she won’t say anything out loud or show it. but i’ll definitely show it. i don’t forget shitty c*nty behaviour. i was literally fucking STARVING growing up. and she didn’t do a goddamn thing to help any of us.
in the end, she did wind up helping my brother, and ONLY my brother, bc mother pushed my sister to help. and mother cared ONLY bc it was one and only beloved son, the only child she gives a shit about, bc he’s a boy, bc obviously girls lives aren’t worth anything. despite the fact she, herself, is a female. fucking idiot backwards thinking. UGH.
i can’t fucking take this shit. my whole life is ruined bc my whole life i’ve been shitted on by my family, who are sefish af, both my mother and oldest sister. and father was a POS who didn’t give a rats ass about any of his female children, only the ONE son, so fuck him too. they were all shitty.
i literally had a father hate me and not give me a dime bc i was born female, and a mother hate me and not give me a dime bc i was born female, and a sister who married well-to-do not help one iota bc she’s “not legally obligated to.” fucking selfish c*nt. there’s a 12 year age gap between her and my youngest brother, so yes, she was always older and able to help us, if she wanted to.
well my 2 sisters and my mother all hated me bc i was prettier than they were and they were jealous. my life is literally Cinderella, except I had evil sisters and mother, not evil step-sisters and step-mother. And also without Prince Charming to whisk me away from this shitty life of poverty.
And I was the idiot who wanted to achieve something on my own, without relying on a man or marrying a man just for his money, like EVERY fucking woman I knew back in college/in my 20s. FUCK. That’s what I get for having morals and principles. THEY all wound up marrying rich or well to do fuckers, while I tried to do it on my own and then getting run over by a POS driver and poof* my life is over. Every other female I know is a stay at home wife, doing nothing but shopping and more shopping. And living cushy lives doing nothing. Meanwhile, the person that had integrity, ie me, is alone and suffer.
I so regret not being a b*tch like almost every other girl I knew.
UGH. THIS is why I am so fucking mad. I’m tired of this fucking life.
Eternal-pls scroll down, I commented below so it’s easier to read and reply.
coming from the other side, having a relatively cushy life, I’ve spent most of my life trying to figure that out, and I even dedicated my career to trying to shift the needle, still, works out better for me than for them, seems like.
I can say, if you grow up in comfort, and have access to that comfort, eventually you hit a point where you can’t deny yourself to try and seek out equality anymore. There’s some kind of psychological breaking point. I hit it a few years ago, and so I’m still trying to help people, but I can’t go any lower.
It continues to fascinate me, looking at people in different circumstances, and they still engage with stuff that’s obviously a scam, IE, certain jobs, certain companies. There are known exploiters, and sometimes people seem to wallow in being exploited. If I could figure that one out…… we might make a breakthrough on long term poverty.
Or that might just be my ego running away with me. It just looks like there are some obvious rats in the pool, and we could certainly skim them out…… but noooo somehow the rats get floaties, it’s an imperfect metaphor, but damn I don’t get how the rats have better lobbyists than the people swimming in the pool. No one dares kick a damn rat
and where do they keep coming from? That’s what I want to know.
@Eternal,
Ya there’s nothing quite like the betrayal from your own family esp. when it comes to money.
I’ll never understand how people can be so cruel, callous, selfish when they stumble into “good fortune” in their lives.
Just one of your sister’s designer bags could’ve been transformational to your family. If I was her, I’d squirrel away as much as I could to aid my family and get them out of their rotten situation.
Perhaps you’re from a culture that doesn’t value females, which is really horrible.
I also agree it’s a ‘moral obligation’ to help family. How could people, who’ve been in the dirt/poverty and see their siblings suffer and starve, then decide to leave them behind when they’ve done well for themselves?
Where is the compassion, the shame, the care? About the only justification is if the other siblings were abusive/mean/cruel, which is rare but in that case it can be justified.
But this is the type of world we live it. I saw an interview with celebrities who talked about their wealth and if they’d pass them on to their kids.
It was a mixed response, some of them said basically the kids are on their own, they had to make their own money and why should they get an easy life…they were going to give it all away to charity.
Then others celebs said they’d definitely pass it down so their kids will have a better life than they did.
I can’t understand why people are selfish even when it comes to family but that’s reality and I guess one can only hope they were born into a generous family-which I think is rarer.
I don’t think selfishness is conducive to a health society…but then try convincing self-serving azzholes to be nice/helpful, it won’t happen.
You are right-you tried to take the noble and ethical route and it didn’t really work out. You were better off to take advantage of rich guys when you had the chance.
At least women have the advantage-esp if they’re good looking to bag a rich husband and it’s also acceptable in society…but not so for a poor attractive man marrying a woman for her money.
Ofc the best is to make your own wealth and you’d never have to depend on anyone, but that isn’t easy to do…but if you pull it off then you can decide who to be helpful to or not.
and now i’m old and disabled. how tf do i dig myself out of this hole and “create my own wealth”? i’m so fucked now.
Same challenge for me.
did you know, i used to be a model and actress when i was younger. i was a financial analyst as my official job, as i had a finance degree, but i did modeling and acting on the side. i was very pretty. i could have taken advantage of my looks and used ppl like every other pretty person, but i chose not to. i was a good and moral person, always helping others, but never fucking received anything back. i chose to work hard and use my intelligence and skills to get ahead in life, only to get kicked in the face by sexism, racism, and evil karen bosses.
i’m so fucking tired of it all. had i just been a lazy shit who took advantage of others and found a rich man to manipulate and control like most women do, i wouldn’t be in this situation. i’m middle aged now, and also disabled, so no one is going to want me now. so much for working hard and trying to achieve success on my own merit.
Well I’ve seen life as something of an amusement park or casino. It seems like a fun place, it can be but the games are rigged against you. You try your best to ‘win’ some succeed some don’t.
We all wish we had that ‘dolce vita’ good life…but for some of us it doesn’t work out as we hoped.
I haven’t reached my proverbial ‘rock bottom’ yet but came close a few times. As much as I keep wishing/dreaming that my life will improve, I know the odds are against me.
However I keep trying because I’m still doing “ok”….and so long as I’m able-bodied I’ll keep trying. If however I develop serious health issues or my life falls apart, then I’ll apply for Maid.
Some of us value our life far too much when it’s trash and cannot improve much. It’s important to have a very clear, objective view of our situation.
Ofc bring a bad life to an end is also very difficult but it is doable-if one does their research and is desperate enough.
In my case I’ll keep trying till my 60s because I think I still have the potential to change thigns…but I know I’m just another human who lived and died like millions who came before me. And few would notice or care if I disappeared tomorrow.
Every year something like 20k people use Maid in Canada to end their lives. I”d say they’re the lucky ones.
“How could people, who’ve been in the dirt/poverty and see their siblings suffer and starve, then decide to leave them behind when they’ve done well for themselves?”
>>bc she’s a fucking selfish c*unt is why. she literally does not care about anyone else but herself, just like my mother. they are the same kind of person. and somehow *I* am the bad person bc I refuse to talk to her or play nice with her. I also won’t talk to my other sister who is even WORSE to me.
Goddamnit Soda, out of all the fucking families, why do I have to be born to such a shitty family with such shitty ppl? The whole lot of them. My mother and oldest sister are selfish c*nts, my father is a POS, my 2nd sister is hateful and enjoyed torturing me. my brother was the one one that wasn’t horrible to me but he’s not exactly good to me either.
Did I even have a chance at a normal happy life to begin with?
Ya my middle sister (I’m the oldest) is a *****…she could’ve decided to be a good person but she opted for selfishness which lead to many arguments/battles over the years and us drifting apart…then she can’t seem to understand why we’re not close.
My youngest used to be nicer but she was corrupted by her money-grubbing POS husband who’s arrogant and looks down on anyone who doesn’t have much money (he had a company which was doing well but now is going down). Without him she would’ve remained more generous and helpful.
You’re right Eternal, we are thrown into bad lives and families…and suffer as a result through no fault of our own.
Clearly you had no chance at having a normal or good life…I feel the same about myself.
I normally don’t talk about my looks, I have mixed feelings about it as I’m not ‘perfect’ in my own sense of being ideal…but when I was in my late teens I had people suggest I get into modeling. I never pursued it because I didn’t feel I passed the standard.
However I did feel I looked the best I could at the time and I felt all my potential was totally wasted as my dad was an azzhole and pushed me into working early cause he was a selfish prick like my sister and didn’t believe in giving an allowance-to his teenage son.
And even though I didn’t pursue a career in modeling I know I could’ve used my looks to attract a great partner…but instead I was forced to work, then pushed into university and had little time to find an s/o….though I tried and dated some girls-it was rare that I found someone I really liked.
It was wasted potential and it really bothers me because I didn’t take better advantage when I had it-thanks to my scummy dad who wouldn’t let me have a normal life….he did it to impress his friends.
The world looks very differently at you when you’re considered pretty…I felt special at times…but my poverty, my dad, my bad life, kept me feel down/depressed and I feel I missed out on so many good opportunities at meeting other girls I found to be beautiful.
What good is life if you’re poor? Your looks just go down the drain and you don’t get much respect either. Additionally I learned important lessons slowly and usually the hard way, because I never had a good mentor.
In hindsight I never realized how good I had it and if my family was just middle-class and my dad actually helped me financially my life would’ve been ten times better.
I think my comment went into moderation cause I used the word ‘b*tch’…hopefully it’ll be posted soon.
“Perhaps you’re from a culture that doesn’t value females, which is really horrible.”
>>That’s not even an excuse for my shitty ass parents. My childhood friends parents were all from the same culture, yes they did value sons more, but none of them treated their daughters like dirt like my parents did to me. That means they just CHOSE to be shitty to me and my 2nd sister. They both liked my oldest sister though (the selfish one). Go figure.
my reply is below
I agree, it goes without saying all kids should be loved, cared for and treated equally. I couldn’t imagine picking favorites if I had kids…but we have people who are mentally imbalanced who have kids and shouldn’t have reproduced…hence the rotten lives they suffer.
It becomes the stuff of books and movies, but society still does nothing to stop people from having babies when they shouldn’t. We need basic standards but nobody wants to touch that ‘third rail’ because it’s too controversial.
So the world goes on ignoring the plight of helpless, defenseless kids born to monsters who abuse them and destroy their lives.