Was thinking of moving to Mexico bc America is too bloody expensive. But there’s riots now in Mexico where they want Gringos OUT bc Gringos keep moving in and increasing the cost of living for the locals. I mean I see their plight but I need to escape the high costs of USA. I guess technically I’m not a “Gringo” as I am not white, but I’d still be a foreigner, and there’s as much anti-foreigner sentiment there right now as there is anti-foreigner sentiment here in the US.
I would love to try out Hawaii, but Hawaii is expensive AF, so…idk. Was thinking I could try staying there for 3mo while living in Mexico for 6mo and save up money, but since Mexico isn’t friendly to Americans right now…idk. I can’t swing living in Hawaii for more than 3mo, and even then airbnb/hotel/rent is expensive AF. I mean I *could* just go there for 3mo and see how it is. Maybe I’d love it and if it really is “peaceful” out there then perhaps it’d be worth it but- most places in HI require a car, just like the rest of the US and I need public transit/walk to things.
SE Asia WOULD be a great option but for the fact that it’s hot and humid as hell, and everything is seafood and spicy. Same with the Carribbean. No way can I stomach the food in India so that’s out. Where else is it cheap? Only Africa and S. America (and SE Asia and the Carribbean). I mean within my budget. And I don’t have much of a budget, so can’t really do European countries- not unless there’s a really cheap one. I mean I suppose Eastern Europe but idk… I prefer a place that has lots of expats as that’s safer.
Stateside- everything is bloody expensive here unless you go to middle of nowhere USA. But I don’t have a car and not into driving or buying a car, +insurance +gas = just as expensive as living in the city. There isn’t anything “cheap” in the US unless you go to middle of nowhere USA or a ghetto city, and I can’t hack that. I’m disabled so I NEED to live somewhere safe. But anything safe is $$$.
Where can I go? I need someplace CHEAP but also NOT DANGEROUS, and NOT under-developed. SE Asia is safe, modern, great medical care, cheap, but goddamn it is HOT AF there.
HELLLP! Where can I go??? If I had more money this wouldn’t be an issue. But then again, half of us here wouldn’t be in the plight we are in if not for $$$…
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There are places you can go to in the world that are fairly clean, safe and affordable…I forgot the locations offhand, but there are numerous vids on YT that go in depth.
I think Thailand is one of them…it’s aiming to be more developed…renting and buying property is still fairly cheap, but going up as more people flock there.
I’m trying to up my income so life is easy anywhere I live. Luckily I’ve got a bit of stability at the moment, but still need to make some major changes to get to a better place, literally and figuratively.
Also my endeavor to become self-employed has been showing me I’m definitely on the right track but I can’t quit the day job just yet. Hopefully in the coming months I get lucky and can then go independent.
If only people weren’t so short-sighted and selfish…they’d have the common sense to know not to have kids unless you can give them a great life. But billions of imbeciles out there, never stop to think about such things.
It’s about satisfying their basest urges and worrying about the consequences later and their kids who grow up poor and have life problems are the ones who pay for their stupidity.
As stated in the post, SE Asia is too hot, humid and the food is all seafood and spicy. I am allergic to all that plus I have health issues that can’t hack too hot or too cold. Yeah I know, the cheap places are the ones that are either too cold or too hot. And even places with terrible climate are STILL expensive. There really isn’t anything “cheap” anymore. Even Mexico isn’t “cheap”- not anymore. It’s just cheap-er than the US. But all these effing Americans, especially work nomads- ones who have FT jobs but can work 100% remotely- go there and ruin it for everyone, jacking up the prices of everything in the local economy. So idk WHERE I can go. I mean it would be great if I could get a “tour” of every place but airfare and hotels are $$$$. Especially airfare.
True I did catch that, but it was the only place I could recall…I think there’s some good places in south america too…I’d have to check YT to get some good suggestions.
But you are right…I recall about 20 years ago, there were huge differences in the cost of living in different parts of the world.
However like you said it seems to be getting expensive everywhere.
If there’s any way you could buddy up with someone, share living expenses…they’d have to be like a best friend, because I’ve heard of horror stories…but also success stories of people cohabiting for income and it’d make life easier for you both.
Also if you’re really hard up maybe there are social programs that can help you financially but I know the US really sucks for that.
I’m lucky enough to live with my mom and the dual income helps. And while rents had gone higher in the past few years-here in Canada many new immigrants hate it here, not many jobs, many are going back and rents have come down a lot apparently-but not for the sought after places like condos and townhouses.
But that’s fine, we can afford it…though we won’t have much savings, we’ll have piece of mind and you can’t put a price on that…esp with the hell I’ve gone through these past few years….it will be good to get the fk away from living close to evil, noisy, scummy people.
I just wish I had my go-getter mindset about 10-20 years ago and worked harder to find some lucrative and stable position…anyways doing what I can now.
Btw I’ve been there…about 10 years ago, I had no job, my mom’s health was declining and we were living on a single income. I can’t even begin to tell you how awful it was.
One day our poverty/bad state caught up to me when I was at a grocery store. I was overwhelmed with emotion and almost broke down in tears…we were living on a tight budget and I wanted to buy a jar of nutella and couldn’t afford it….I snuck into and empty aisle to save myself from embarrassment-in case I did end up bawling uncontrollably….fortunately I held it together and finally once I mentally calmer I quickly checked myself out.
I’m normally a tough person but everyone has their breaking point and this was after a couple of years of hard struggling, that I couldn’t keep it together…glad I didn’t have a mental breakdown and powered through it.
There were other low points (during this same period), like a few times in winter I was freezing my ass off, in the evening, -20C…waiting for a bus (to get groceries again-I take a cab home with groceries)….and those are moments that are just burned into your mind.
Ofc I was job-searching this whole time and thankfully I still had great interviewing skills and the first opportunity I had, I nailed it…and it wasn’t easy either but I really lucked out. Once I was working I saved up and after about a few months, we finally got our car insured and running again and moved to a better place….then it all good after that.
Can’t tell you how often I thought about suicide then, but I could never be selfish and leave my elderly mother to fend for herself, my scummy siblings wouldn’t look after her and she’d end up homeless.
We’re doing much better now-it’s all about money-I don’t even look at the amount for groceries usually, I just tap my phone and pay. And cost of living has at least doubled if not tripled since then.
If I can find myself a great girl who’s working then financially we’ll be good…but that’s another kettle of fish.
Yes, it is all about money. Anybody who says any different never had to struggle.
Nope, do not have best friend or anyone to split costs. Also, it’s a terrible idea to share housing with a close friend bc that close friend will no longer be friends.
Too bad I have no one to travel across the USA with. Wanted to drive cross country in one of those vans/tiny homes, but that would require me knowing someone who could drive those things and also have the time off to travel for months. THAT would save on rent bc no need to get hotels or rent a room for a month. But alas, idk anyone to travel that way with.
Who could be happy being poor? In the US, 60% of ppl are living paycheck to paycheck- and these ppl have jobs! Yet STILL can’t afford to live. The rich are greedy af. They are the ones squeezing us more and more and more. And NO ONE is revolting or rioting as of yet. The rich are NOT going to stop unless we MAKE them stop. But good luck trying to convince an American that.
For sure.
You’re probably right-but I was thinking if you had a bestie, it’d be like living with a brother or sister. But still sometimes I have ugly fights with my sister and we’re supposed to be close.
At the same time, living together-you see what people are really like. I just thought if someone came into it honestly wanting to do their fair share then it could work…ofc one one partner becomes a free-loader then it’s a serious issue.
I’ve heard of people being in polyamorous relationships…they buy/rent a large home together and contribute to their group. It seems to work for some people. I recall in one situation the dude was a millionaire but preferred to live within that group.
The traveling across the US isn’t a bad idea, but I’d be too paranoid about getting into a major car accident, driving into a ditch…being stalked by psychos. Just imagine if a van or semi crashed into your ‘home’….and you lose all your stuff or could get injured…sure insurance might cover it…but it’d be a risk…esp with crazy drivers out there.
The ‘tiny home’ idea probably makes the most sense for people in our income level…they’re pretty affordable, esp compared to a large family home….but they might not hold their value and I’ve seen some of those spaces are really small…like 300-400 sqft….I’d need a min of 600 sf and that’s already not a very big space.
It’s harder here in Canada, cause even a crappy plot of land costs as much as a house like $500-800k. Though for now, house prices have come down.
Ya it’d be hard for the small people to fight the rich…they have resources, buy off politicians, they run the govt and military…so it’d be difficult to take them on.
The best way maybe would be to make the Dem party a lot better and to really work for us, than to pretend to…even if it means going to war against Conservatives…basically using every legal means to get all the advantages back to the ordinary people.
My post went into moderation….so reposting, I used one of those trigger words….’pardoner’ Feel free to delete any duplicate post, if its approved….just reposting here.
For sure.
You’re probably right-but I was thinking if you had a bestie, it’d be like living with a brother or sister. But still sometimes I have ugly fights with my sister and we’re supposed to be close.
At the same time, living together-you see what people are really like. I just thought if someone came into it honestly wanting to do their fair share then it could work…ofc one one person becomes a free-loader then it’s a serious issue.
I’ve heard of people being in polyamorous relationships…they buy/rent a large home together and contribute to their group. It seems to work for some people. I recall in one situation the dude was a millionaire but preferred to live within that group.
The traveling across the US isn’t a bad idea, but I’d be too paranoid about getting into a major car accident, driving into a ditch…being stalked by psychos. Just imagine if a van or semi crashed into your ‘home’….and you lose all your stuff or could get injured…sure insurance might cover it…but it’d be a risk…esp with crazy drivers out there.
The ‘tiny home’ idea probably makes the most sense for people in our income level…they’re pretty affordable, esp compared to a large family home….but they might not hold their value and I’ve seen some of those spaces are really small…like 300-400 sqft….I’d need a min of 600 sf and that’s already not a very big space.
It’s harder here in Canada, cause even a crappy plot of land costs as much as a house like $500-800k. Though for now, house prices have come down.
Ya it’d be hard for the small people to fight the rich…they have resources, buy off politicians, they run the govt and military…so it’d be difficult to take them on.
The best way maybe would be to make the Dem party a lot better and to really work for us, than to pretend to…even if it means going to ‘fight’ against Conservatives…basically using every legal means to get all the advantages back to the ordinary people.
Have you found a new place? Last you posted, you were wanting to move.
No so far….but I got caught up with other things and some health issues. I’m hoping we’ll be able to move before winter this year.
Also there aren’t a lot of units available in the space I’m looking at, mostly condos/TH’s….then there’s the issue of idiot landlords not getting back to you…that’s a shitshow on it’s own but I do have to put more effort into it.
I’m surprised you remembered…I had forgotten I had posted about it. 🙂
Billions of idiot poor and middle class procreate bc they want someone to take care of them when they get old. They know life isn’t good when you’re poor- or at least you’d think SOME of them know this- that they’re passing on generational poorness to their kids- but in the end, they want/need someone to take care of them in their old age, so they pop out kids. That’s basically it. And life is shit bc there’s so many damn ppl out there. Most of them born into poverty or the poor working class. Even born middle class isn’t great but at least the kids would’ve had a fighting chance. Not so if you’re born poor or “working class” which is what the majority of ppl fall in.
And no, “middle class” as ppl think it is today is NOT middle class. If you make 35k/yr and barely have anything left over after bills, that is NOT middle class. Middle class is like 50k-60k in the US, and barely that if you live in big cities like I do. People don’t realize that “middle class” means you are living comfortably- have enough left over for going out, etc. If you have money issues, then you are not “middle class.” Middle class back in the 70s and 80s meant 1 person working could take care of wife, kids, buy a house, and a car. You can’t do that on 50k/yr, barely at 80k/yr. They have warped people’s definition of “middle class” in America, so that Americans don’t feel they are in the “poor” class, which is what at least 60% of Americans are. Though I suspect the real # is at least 70%. 35k is NOT middle class.
Yes I fully agree-it’s selfishness….also a ‘status’ thing to have kids in some cultures, the idiots compete with each other about how successful their kids are.
I totally agree, middle-close now is like $70k and up for a single person and double it for two and a family.
I was a bit surprised to learn one of my engineering friends makes about $100k, he has a wife/kids and they’re still struggling…he was able to afford a cheaper house and they do manage to get vacations but I thought he’d be way better off. Now he also might lose his job to AI.
So ya middle class ain’t what it used to be.
I hope in my lifetime I get to see that Maid is universal….so that people have the option to gtfo of a terrible life.
Then there are no excuses anymore for sticking around if you don’t want to.
Here in Canada we’re reaching that state. Ofc my goal wasn’t to be “born to die”….I still hope I can find some happiness in life….but all I’ve experienced is pain, suffering, struggle. I’ve had some good times but it was long enough.
So if SHTF….I’d have a nice long talk with my mom and let her know this option is available for her as well…it’s up to her to take maid or not.
Honestly I don’t mean to be a “debbie downer”….just speaking reality. Hopefully maid will be more accessible here soon (for mental illness), the evil opponents are trying hard to stop it, but it should go through…giving more people who are suffering for no reason a chance to end a bad existence.
To clarify, I meant that I’d have a nice long talk with my mom about taking Maid myself….not that I’d ever encourage her to do it….in case people get the wrong idea.
That’s her decision…religion has warped her mind, made her fear hell for ending her life…but hopefully she wises up one day. It’s funny my dad’s Christian too but he’s totally ok with euthanasia and has considered it for himself…so that was an easy convo with him.
I wish I had a list of places you can go.
Even now, with all the crap going on, the States are still relatively safe overall.
If you’re moving outside of the US, you have to deal with a lot more unsafeness, as well as a culture shift.
Americans have been stereotyped so much that a lot of places believe what they’ve seen on tv, and will try to take advantage of them.
I’m american, but I know a bit about living outside the mainland US.
Hawaii and islands in general all have the same problems.
Unless you can deal with the heat, humidity, the fact that you’d be dealing with reduced or delayed shipping and higher prices since a lot of stuff is imported in some capacity, not as good internet (granted idk if it’s better in SE Asia), and the at times major cultural differences between X island and the mainland US, I would not recommend going there. Even the inhabited US territories (American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Mariana Islands) are like that. They have qualms with Americans that go back generations because of the fact that the US government hasn’t always acted like they are part of the United States.
It’s not like how it is on TV (not suggesting you’re ignorant, just informing you).
I’m in the same boat. I like where I’m at, but it’s too expensive and I’m thinking of just moving and starting over if I can’t hack it here.
I’m still young enough and childless, but very broke.
Oh, and Hurricanes. My god the hurricanes. Hurricane prep is a rule of life in a lot of islands as a whole.
I’m Mexican, well half Mexican but I have seen the riots and i get their point and why they feel that way , many Americans will talk shit about our country but then decided to move there because of how affordable it is for *them*, but anyways if you want to disappear or just hide I suggest you move to the Philippines or Ecuador, make sure to go to the Amazon part, preferably the one near the Brazilian border, if you prefer a “hotter” climate, but if you prefer the cold I would suggest a small town called “Latacunga” near a volcano named “El Cotopaxi” you can also live there comfortably and away from most people, but it’s a country lifestyle, there’s multiple cities about 45 minutes away by bus.
Some of the smaller towns in Canada, like maybe 25-30 miles out of a big city, can be heaven. If you can figure out how to make an income online or remote, the cost of rent & living in these smaller towns is about half what it is in the USA, the weather is great (compare to Connecticut) and people will leave you alone.
The problem, if it matters, is that life moves at about half to quarter speed. If you need anything done urgently, like a plumber to fix a flooding basement, you can count on it taking a week before anyone gets there. Stores and even post offices regularly close 30 mins to an hour early because, well, because they can.
But if you don’t need society or human contact, the view is gorgeous.
do i need to have a car though? is it very “rural”/suburban? it’s not too cold up there? Canada sounds so much more “friendlier” than the USA. IDK why Americans are such shitty ppl…
my problem is that anywhere “cheap” also means i need to have a car, which limits me to crowded congested $$$ large cities. i don’t mind a smaller city where i can still get around via public transit or walking.
I guess like EU but not EU cost of living?
Yup you’d probably need a car, but idk maybe public transportation is getting better. I know Vancouver has a pretty extensive system of light rails & buses. That’s probably where I’d go if I had a reason to save myself.
But I guess any move involves a huge amount of motivation because you’re essentially building an entire new life. I don’t think I could go thru that again, one life was enough for me.
I’ve heard Vancouver is nice. But wouldn’t Vancouver be expensive? :/
sigh- if I had the money to live where ever, this wouldn’t be a problem of finding a suitable place to live.