Are We the “Crazy” And “Defective” Ones Or Is Society The One That Is Messed Up?
It’s like that quote “it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society” –
-Conforming to societal norms does not equate to true well-being, especially if the society itself is flawed.
-It implies that genuine health encompasses more than just fitting in and may involve questioning and challenging unhealthy societal structures.
It’s like when the first people who questioned and challenged that the Earth was not flat were told they were crazy, stupid, out of their minds, and ridiculed. Now, ofc, we “know better.” But how much of what society deems “normal” is actually NOT normal and NOT good? And how much of it is society just plain WRONG?
I feel like I’ve been shamed for being different, thinking different my WHOLE life- and I don’t think my way of thinking is actually “faulty.” I mean sure, I am a pessimist, but what if being a realist means we SHOULD be pessimists? And that optimistic people are just mostly delusional?
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I’d say this makes up almost 50% of my suicidal urge. Every day waking up as part of this corrupt human machine. Everything we see in the news, wars, dictators, pollution, hate crimes, billionaires & starving babies, THIS is human society.
And the biggest newsflash is just by being alive we’re contributing to it.
But heaven help you if you voice this opinion out loud. You get stamped as crazy and locked up. Or bullied into killing yourself, which I guess solves their problem quicker. idgaf Society can have the world, it’s not like I could ever do anything about it.
Forgot to mention the punchline… After years of being told you’re crazy, being punished for insisting you’re not, you eventually do become crazy.
I didn’t start out with scrambled brains, but sure as hell that’s all I’ve got now.
how do you have “scrambled brains” now? what do u mean?
I guess you’d call it paranoia or extreme distrust of people, especially authority figures. Most of that is common sense, but I think I may have taken it too far.
This comes from years of being lied to & betrayed by parents, teachers and authority figures. Always being told I’m wrong even though I was right. It really messes with your sense of what’s up & what’s down.
ah ok, if that’s what you mean, then i have it too. i do NOT trust ANYONE now- not just authority figures.
most drs i do not trust bc they have been wrong or flat out said “you just have anxiety” or “everything is just in your head” when I ACTUALLY had TBI for 22 years and was given NO treatment. Fucking incompetent bastards.
teachers- yeah, most of my teachers were idiots. even the ones that weren’t, were taught to teach us wrong things (like history- Columbus, etc)
i have been lied to again and again by regular ppl the last 5yrs so I DO NOT TRUST regular ppl either. somehow, i attract the manipulators/users/gaslighters, so OFC i don’t fucking trust anyone.
so yeah- we’re in the same rickety boat with all the holes. And we’re labeled as “crazy” or have “personality disorders.” pffft.
Same here. More or less 50%. Maybe more, idk. Since I was a kid, I’ve always had issues with the world not being fair and just. Good ppl get screwed. 40+ years later, my life is even MORE broken and I see even MORE bullshit in life (in mine and life in general).
The thing is, the whole world wants YOU to just “get over it” or “move on and shut up about it.” Strangers, friends, even therapists. They tell you “there’s nothing you can do about it so just stop watching the news.” “Stop thinking so much,” “think about other things,” etc
But even if I stop watching the news, it’s not like I suddenly will stop thinking how fucking unfair, unjust, corrupt and messed up this world is. I just BURNS me. Yet this doesn’t bother 90% of other ppl. They just keep going on with their own lives. If you’re selfish, yeah, I guess you can do that. But ppl who are very sensitive, caring, emotional and value justice and fairness? Yeah, we’re fucked.
is there a term for it? like if we’re trying to find say an online group to join or sth. i mean there’s anti-natalism groups, but most of those are just silly memes and posers pretending to be anti-natalist. and it’s more specific than just “anti-natalist” or “nihilist.” idk what word describes ME so I can find like-minded ppl/groups. not even sure it exists- but SURELY out of 7B fucking ppl- there’s gotta be more of ppl like us?
It sounds like we have similar issues: being really sensitive to injustice in the world. You can’t just turn it off can you? Like you said, even if we stop watching the news that doesn’t solve the problem because we’re intelligent enough to know it’s still there with our eyes closed.
And yea it infuriates me that 90% of the world doesn’t give a shit about things that eat me up. I’m always falling down rabbit holes, learning about some horrible injustice that never got addressed. Everything from genocide to murder coverups to stupid stuff like an actress who got kicked off a show for refusing to sleep with a producer. It all bothers me, even more knowing that I can’t do anything about it.
And just like you said, the best advice we get is “get over it”. GOLLY GEE WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT
As for anti-natalists and like minded groups, I’ve never found any. The closest I’ve found would be on sites like SP and other suicide or self harm sites where people see life as pain so they’re against procreating and they think deeper about issues that most people ignore. Have you ever visited a site called chronicsuicidesupport.com ? It doesn’t get much traffic, but the discussions there can get pretty deep & interesting. I think it’s a slightly older crowd, 50s-60s etc, people who have spent their lives suffering so they don’t spew bs like “it gets better”.
right, we can’t just shut it off or ignore it. so WHAT THE FUCK DO WE DO?
i’m not just anti-procreation- it goes beyond that. i see all the evils of this shitty world and see no point in life if 1- you were born poor and there’s no upward mobility 2- have horrible health issues that are chronic and won’t go away 3- have a “different”/negative/realist mindset that alienates you from the rest of the 98% of the world. Then what do you do?
Even if I magically become well off/not poor, and even if my multitudes of health issues magically disappear (which they sadly won’t), but even if they did- i’ve ALWAYS had trouble getting along with others bc i’ve NEVER fit in. not since i was born. NO ONE else thinks like we do- that life is depressing af and corrupt af, and that we’re just pawns to the rich.
how do we meet other like-minded ppl? not being understood/not being able to relate to others/OTHERS not being able to relate to us, is what keeps ppl like you and I depressed. it feels like we are literally ALONE in a crowded stupid-ass universe.
the fact that we are ALONE when there are literally 7 BILLION ppl and we can chat instantly online with anyone, makes it THAT much more fucking depressing.