I think the video is overly cynical. While it’s true that most of the human population dismisses our pain or blames us for it, there are also people out there who would care deeply if they knew about it. The problem is that they don’t know about it. So this gives us the skewed perception that “nobody cares”. A more accurate way of putting it would be “nobody knows”.
Yeah I get that. The ppl around me are pieces of shit too. But the error is believing that the people around us represent all of humanity. That’s the tone of the guy in the video, he’s making it sound like everyone is a piece of shit.
The truth is, just as there are people who would kick you when you’re down, there are people in the world who would give their lives to save you. But these people don’t know about you, nor do we know about them. There’s a disconnect, so all we have to go on is what we see around us: shit.
The converse of this is equally wrong. If you’re born lucky, surrounded by love and generosity or whatnot, you assume that that’s how all of humanity is: good. But that’s just a small set.
I think survival comes down to avoiding bad ppl. finding good ppl. or allowing good ppl to find you. But the problem with depression is that it isolates us so we stop looking for good ppl, and we hide so they can’t find us either. And when left alone with your own damaged mind, the only future is down.
The idea that nobody gives a shit about me doesn’t make me feel stronger. I’ve been through that phase and now I’m exhausted. It’s like being lost in the desert. When you run out of strength, your only option is to hope a rescue team will find you. Without some hope of that, I would just kms right now because who wants to survive in a shit world with no good people at all?
“The truth is, just as there are people who would kick you when you’re down, there are people in the world who would give their lives to save you.”
–No, I whole heartedly disagree- there’s way more ppl who do NOT care about others vs ppl who DO care, especially in relation to strangers who don’t know you.
–I am not saying no one cares, or that all ppl are bad but the reality is that most ppl only have the time and energy and goodwill to care about themselves.
–It’s not like it’s 50/50 good/bad ppl or 50/50 good/bad friends. I mean if that’s the case, we here on SP wouldn’t have such trouble making friends and meeting good ppl.
–I personally apply the 80/20 pareto rule to everything (or even 90/10)- maybe 80% shitty and 20% “good”
–I’m not here to argue with you. You can believe what you want, if it helps you sleep and get through another day.
–That’s the thing- reality IS depressing. As you stated in another post, option 1 is to delude oneself. I cannot do that. But if you want to, or adopt a rosier perspective, that’s your perogative.
“Without some hope of that, I would just kms right now because who wants to survive in a shit world with no good people at all?”
–That’s the ultimate conundrum, isn’t it? As you stated on another post, either 1- delude ourselves 2- adopt an optimistic approach or 3- kill oneself.
–As stated above, I personally believe in 80/20 or 90/10. I don’t believe ALL ppl are bad. But it’s VERY difficult to find the good 10 or 20%. If they were so easy to find, and if there were so many of them (say 50/50, or even 60/40)- we wouldn’t be here on SP. Most of us here are lacking that friendship or relationship aspect. If there’s plenty of good caring ppl, then why are most of us alone? And no, it’s not bc “all of us stop trying” bc I have tried very hard on and off for the past 20 years. And if there were “plenty of good fish,” I would have found them and I wouldn’t be here on SP talking to nameless faceless strangers via keyboard.
anyhow, i personally believe in 80/20 or 90/10. just bc the video says something doesn’t mean i agree with everything it says. certainly life is not 100% black and white, not everything is great and not everything is shit. in my personal life, i’ve gotten like 99% shit. but i know my life is FAR worse than most others. and even i wouldn’t say “everyone” is shit. just…most. hell, 90%.
if you’ve had a better life, like most have, then ofc one’s perspective is much rosier. remember the lady you mentioned, the first female serial killer? i imagine she thinks “everyone is shit” bc in her life, it certainly was the case. she isn’t wrong- that’s the life she had. if you grow up in poverty like she did, you’re more often surrounded by shitty ppl. so in her world, 100% of ppl are shit.
let’s say we have someone who grew up in an avg middle income white normal loving family. now, that child is going to be surrounded by pretty good ppl- say 80/20 good/bad. or whatever it is. is that person going to grow up thinking life is mostly great? and that most ppl are great? pretty likely.
for the ppl who are not fortunate enough to grow up in a nice safe environment, either home life or neighborhood- then there aren’t “mostly good ppl” in our lives. “Bad” ppl are disproportionately greater in poorer neighborhoods, and around children born into broken families.
Overall, do I think the avg person is good? No. Bc I’ve seen too many shitty ppl.
You have had a better life than me, which seems logical that you have a much rosier outlook on humans than I do.
Yes I have an unusual backstory for a suicidally depressed person. I did have an amazing life for a short while, surrounded by great people who taught me to be a better person and have faith in humanity. But all of that was crushed violently, and now I have the absolute worst life.
The result, I think, is that I have the ability to see the big picture more objectively than someone who has had a purely shit life or a purely awesome life. Honestly it’s the conflict between these two (optimism/pessimism) that is scrambling my brains, so it’s not like it’s any great wisdom worth having. But it does allow me to see (or delude myself into seeing) more hope. Without that I would’ve been at the bottom of the East river years ago.
eternaldarkness8/29/2025 - 11:08 pm
have you watched the anime “naruto”? your backstory sounds a lot like the character sasuke uchiha- he had a loving family, super close to his brother- then one day everything was snatched from him.
there’s also the character naruto who grew up in a shit life bc both his parents died when he was a baby. so there’s this episode where naruto was like “i know what it’s like to be in pain and suffer” and sasuke was like “no! it’s worse when you’ve experienced love and everything was taken from you!” you sound like that. i guess it’s like that overused quote where ppl argue which is worse: “it’s better to have loved and lost than to have never loved.”
although- in my case, the character that is most like me is madara uchiha. his childhood was growing up in wartime, and his brothers all were killed by the rival faction. the war lasted many years, so it was bad bad and bad for a long time (vs sasuke who had it great until one day it all changed). Madara grew up to be a jaded, cynical, distrustful person who hated humans. that’s me. -_-
eternaldarkness8/29/2025 - 11:12 pm
how was yours “crushed violently”?
dying2die8/30/2025 - 2:56 am
Holy cow Naruto is AWESOME. I’m not even an anime fan but I was instantly hooked on that show. Ever notice how it’s basically a roadmap of mental disorders, with each character having their own? And you’re right, Sasuke & Naruto are a great illustration of that “loved and lost / never loved” saying. Don’t forget there’s also Gaara who represents a 3rd version: being loved and betrayed. He thought he was loved by his uncle who took care of him until the uncle tried to kill him, and that’s what made him snap and go full psycho.
I haven’t gotten to the Shippuden episodes yet so I haven’t seen the character Madara Uchiha, but I’ll keep an eye out. For real there are so many twisted, emotionally disturbed characters on that show, but what’s interesting is they all have their justification. Usually some intense or prolonged trauma turns them bad. But it’s also pretty cool how some of them turn back to the “good” side.
My trauma came in waves. I had a shitty childhood, but then when I moved out things became amazing for a few years. The violent crushing came in another wave, a bunch of deaths, and that snowballed into depression and more hardships because it becomes a domino effect.
eternaldarkness8/30/2025 - 7:29 am
you should go watch the shippuden series. too bad after so many years naruto finally ended.
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“For real there are so many twisted, emotionally disturbed characters on that show.”
–But see, isn’t that like real life though? We’re brainwashed to think that everyone is “normal” and that there’s only a few oddballs/psychopaths out there when in reality, there are MANY ppl who have trauma- as well as those who haven’t- go out and commit violence. i mean, just look at all those school shootings, let alone the workplace shootings and whatnot. There’s LOTS of disturbed ppl IRL. it’s just that we can’t read most ppl’s minds and don’t know how fucked up most ppl are.
i mean, think about it- if you live in a big city, in a given day, you walk by hundreds of ppl, or several thousands in a week (if you live in say NYC). how do you know you haven’t walked past a serial killer? or rapist? or abuser? you don’t. i’m sure we’ve past a ton of them. there’s supposedly 1% psychopaths and 3% sociopaths. that’s 4% right there. and that’s NOT counting serial killers, child molesters, rapists, etc. so 4% just those 2. now think about how many ppl are in a lecture hall or theater or hell, baseball game. idk sports but say there’s 10,000 ppl in the bleachers. in 1 sports arena alone, there’s 400 psychopaths and sociopaths. and that’s not counting child molesters, rapists, etc. some overlap but not completely. say a 25% overlap.
well, there’s WAY more rapists than there are psychopaths and sociopaths. college studies show between a 4%-16% self-admittance of rape. so like 10% of men on avg. that’s likely underreported since it’s anonymous and self-reported, and when it’s self-report, how many are going to tell the truth, even if it’s anonymous.
so 10% of 8000 (lets say 8000 men and 2000 women attend some sports game), that’s 800 rapists in the arena. plus 400 psychopaths/sociopaths. say there’s that 25% overlap, so there’s ~1000 total rapists and psychopaths and sociopaths when you go to a baseball game.
~30k ppl in a MLB game. so like ~3k rapists and sociopaths and psychopaths in 1 stadium.
hell, we can do a movie theater to make it more realistic. the avg movie theater seats 200 ppl. so that’s 8 psychopaths and sociopaths + 20 rapists. with some overlap, that’s say 22 total. let that sink in. when you go watch a movie, there’s 22 rapists and psychopaths in the room with you. who they are, and where they’re sitting, you don’t know. wild, isn’t it?
people don’t realize just how many shitty ppl are out there and that they pass by tons of evil ppl every day.
In essence- “there are so many twisted, emotionally disturbed characters we pass by IRL”
dying2die8/30/2025 - 10:29 am
Yea I totally agree that society has psychos, rapists and murderers lurking everywhere and we probably interact with them on a daily basis without knowing it. I think it’s because we’re flawed at the core of our DNA. Humans are violent conquerors, how else would we have gained control of the entire planet? Not by being nice.
And now that we’ve conquered the planet and our only remaining threat is ourselves, the violence is turning inward on ourselves. Well I guess we deserve it. Not that we chose our DNA but we are the disgusting spawn of millions of years of conquerors & rapists. It reminds me of a Sarah Silverman joke where she talks about her ancestors being from a small village in Asia that got pillaged, so she says “I’m part jewish, part mongolian rapist”
In that respect I totally agree with your 80/20 or even 90/10 assessment of assholes in the world. The difference is, I think most of those assholes can control themselves, ie not act on impulse to kill, rape, steal. So the result is a society that pretends to be good, and maybe that’s good enough.
Back to Naruto (seriously thanks for reminding me how much that show deals with dark human nature), the character Naruto himself has the most powerful evil demon in the world locked inside him, and his whole character arc is about how he learns to acknowledge and control it. Maybe that’s the best we can hope for society to do?
Ofc society as a whole will never be able to do that. There will always be those full psychos who delight in being evil, like Orochimaru. He’s a school shooter if I ever saw one. But I think maybe the point of the show (even though it’s fiction) is that we can be a society of dark twisted psychos but still manage to function as a village. Uh for the most part.
eternaldarkness8/30/2025 - 8:13 pm
“The difference is, I think most of those assholes can control themselves, ie not act on impulse to kill, rape, steal. So the result is a society that pretends to be good, and maybe that’s good enough.”
–Oh, I KNOW these ppl can control themselves, but since they’re shitty ppl, they choose not to. And that also applies to ppl who are narcissists, gaslighters, manipulators, etc. I don’t mean just the rapists, murderers, the really bad ppl etc. Even the “avg”/”normal” person is a POS, which is why I think most of humanity is shit. Hell, maybe even 90/10 is being generous.
Yes, society PRETENDS to be good. But humans are pretty rotten to the core. Maaaaybe like 1-10% at best are “good.” This is why I hate this stupid shitty world.
Society PRETENDING to be good maybe be good enough for other ppl, but it’s certainly not good enough for me. Hence, me = depression.
eternaldarkness8/30/2025 - 8:19 pm
“Naruto himself has the most powerful evil demon in the world locked inside him, and his whole character arc is about how he learns to acknowledge and control it. Maybe that’s the best we can hope for society to do?”
–Pfff, I have no such hope for humanity. But then I have a more pessimistic/realistic view of the world.
–I have met evil ppl. Most ppl do not commit evil NOT bc they don’t want to, but bc they fear jail/punishment. I know ppl who have flat out told me they’d do x, y, z if they knew they could get away with it. And these are the HONEST ppl who admit it. most ppl are just pretending to be the nicest/warmest ppl. most ppl are fake nice.
eternaldarkness8/30/2025 - 8:24 pm
humans hail from blood thirsty evil ancestors. our species only functions bc of rules and punishment. trust me, if something happened and police/rule of law was demolished, EVERYONE will show their true selves- we are blood thirsty, evil and selfish. Our species is a pox on the planet. But then again, according to Darwinism, THIS is what our planet breeds. And I want no part of it. You can see why I’m so fucking depressed about life.
eternaldarkness8/30/2025 - 8:27 pm
There are many famous philosophers and scientists who feel the same way. They, too, suffered from depression.
As you mentioned, there are only 3 options- to be okay with it, deny it exists or take urself out from this world.
quaero8/29/2025 - 3:51 am
That’s why it’s better to not have faith in people and not make expectations from them. It’s part of our conditioning to always look outside. But the reality is that people have free will and can be as shitty as they like. Better to keep the mindset business-like/neutral outside and keep the quest inside.
We can keep making social systems, teachings, religions to try to make people good. But that cannot change fundamental reality of free will. It will express itself nevertheless. Is it any wonder that US, the richest nation in the world, has most number of psychopaths/mass killings? Is it any wonder that porn fetishes are usually the exact opposite of social norms? The more system tries to move one side, the more free will expresses itself towards opposite side.
Not really. But if you have to, still don’t make expectation from them. Talk and express what you want to but if they betray don’t feel bad. It’s like that statement king Janak said about his kingdom: “I love this kingdom more than my life. But if it perishes tomorrow I won’t feel an ounce of pain.”
It may sound ironical but it’s not. King Janak is a king so he loves his kingdom. But he understands the truth of reality, that everything ends. Because he understands, he won’t feel pain when his kingdom ends. Similarly, you as human want to interact with people. But if you understand the truth of free will, you will understand that it’s not their character flaw but nature of reality. Thus their betrayal won’t pain you.
I get the anger thing. I had mine slowly extinguish so I went back home to develop it anew. I just don’t find people worthwhile so I don’t do anything, but if someone wants revenge then anger is definitely great fuel.
Anger extinguished that’s why I went back home. I even documented it here: https://suicideproject.org/2018/06/empty-shell-4/
Naive of me. But of course narcissistic people never really change. Their behaviour made me leave again. But I relate with what is said in the video. I remember when anger was there, I was fueled by feeling of rebellion. Great, great motivating force.
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I think the video is overly cynical. While it’s true that most of the human population dismisses our pain or blames us for it, there are also people out there who would care deeply if they knew about it. The problem is that they don’t know about it. So this gives us the skewed perception that “nobody cares”. A more accurate way of putting it would be “nobody knows”.
the people i know do not care at all, and they DO know. so for me at least, it’s true. -_-
Yeah I get that. The ppl around me are pieces of shit too. But the error is believing that the people around us represent all of humanity. That’s the tone of the guy in the video, he’s making it sound like everyone is a piece of shit.
The truth is, just as there are people who would kick you when you’re down, there are people in the world who would give their lives to save you. But these people don’t know about you, nor do we know about them. There’s a disconnect, so all we have to go on is what we see around us: shit.
The converse of this is equally wrong. If you’re born lucky, surrounded by love and generosity or whatnot, you assume that that’s how all of humanity is: good. But that’s just a small set.
I think survival comes down to avoiding bad ppl. finding good ppl. or allowing good ppl to find you. But the problem with depression is that it isolates us so we stop looking for good ppl, and we hide so they can’t find us either. And when left alone with your own damaged mind, the only future is down.
The idea that nobody gives a shit about me doesn’t make me feel stronger. I’ve been through that phase and now I’m exhausted. It’s like being lost in the desert. When you run out of strength, your only option is to hope a rescue team will find you. Without some hope of that, I would just kms right now because who wants to survive in a shit world with no good people at all?
“The truth is, just as there are people who would kick you when you’re down, there are people in the world who would give their lives to save you.”
–No, I whole heartedly disagree- there’s way more ppl who do NOT care about others vs ppl who DO care, especially in relation to strangers who don’t know you.
–I am not saying no one cares, or that all ppl are bad but the reality is that most ppl only have the time and energy and goodwill to care about themselves.
–It’s not like it’s 50/50 good/bad ppl or 50/50 good/bad friends. I mean if that’s the case, we here on SP wouldn’t have such trouble making friends and meeting good ppl.
–I personally apply the 80/20 pareto rule to everything (or even 90/10)- maybe 80% shitty and 20% “good”
–I’m not here to argue with you. You can believe what you want, if it helps you sleep and get through another day.
–That’s the thing- reality IS depressing. As you stated in another post, option 1 is to delude oneself. I cannot do that. But if you want to, or adopt a rosier perspective, that’s your perogative.
“Without some hope of that, I would just kms right now because who wants to survive in a shit world with no good people at all?”
–That’s the ultimate conundrum, isn’t it? As you stated on another post, either 1- delude ourselves 2- adopt an optimistic approach or 3- kill oneself.
–As stated above, I personally believe in 80/20 or 90/10. I don’t believe ALL ppl are bad. But it’s VERY difficult to find the good 10 or 20%. If they were so easy to find, and if there were so many of them (say 50/50, or even 60/40)- we wouldn’t be here on SP. Most of us here are lacking that friendship or relationship aspect. If there’s plenty of good caring ppl, then why are most of us alone? And no, it’s not bc “all of us stop trying” bc I have tried very hard on and off for the past 20 years. And if there were “plenty of good fish,” I would have found them and I wouldn’t be here on SP talking to nameless faceless strangers via keyboard.
anyhow, i personally believe in 80/20 or 90/10. just bc the video says something doesn’t mean i agree with everything it says. certainly life is not 100% black and white, not everything is great and not everything is shit. in my personal life, i’ve gotten like 99% shit. but i know my life is FAR worse than most others. and even i wouldn’t say “everyone” is shit. just…most. hell, 90%.
if you’ve had a better life, like most have, then ofc one’s perspective is much rosier. remember the lady you mentioned, the first female serial killer? i imagine she thinks “everyone is shit” bc in her life, it certainly was the case. she isn’t wrong- that’s the life she had. if you grow up in poverty like she did, you’re more often surrounded by shitty ppl. so in her world, 100% of ppl are shit.
let’s say we have someone who grew up in an avg middle income white normal loving family. now, that child is going to be surrounded by pretty good ppl- say 80/20 good/bad. or whatever it is. is that person going to grow up thinking life is mostly great? and that most ppl are great? pretty likely.
for the ppl who are not fortunate enough to grow up in a nice safe environment, either home life or neighborhood- then there aren’t “mostly good ppl” in our lives. “Bad” ppl are disproportionately greater in poorer neighborhoods, and around children born into broken families.
Overall, do I think the avg person is good? No. Bc I’ve seen too many shitty ppl.
You have had a better life than me, which seems logical that you have a much rosier outlook on humans than I do.
Yes I have an unusual backstory for a suicidally depressed person. I did have an amazing life for a short while, surrounded by great people who taught me to be a better person and have faith in humanity. But all of that was crushed violently, and now I have the absolute worst life.
The result, I think, is that I have the ability to see the big picture more objectively than someone who has had a purely shit life or a purely awesome life. Honestly it’s the conflict between these two (optimism/pessimism) that is scrambling my brains, so it’s not like it’s any great wisdom worth having. But it does allow me to see (or delude myself into seeing) more hope. Without that I would’ve been at the bottom of the East river years ago.
have you watched the anime “naruto”? your backstory sounds a lot like the character sasuke uchiha- he had a loving family, super close to his brother- then one day everything was snatched from him.
there’s also the character naruto who grew up in a shit life bc both his parents died when he was a baby. so there’s this episode where naruto was like “i know what it’s like to be in pain and suffer” and sasuke was like “no! it’s worse when you’ve experienced love and everything was taken from you!” you sound like that. i guess it’s like that overused quote where ppl argue which is worse: “it’s better to have loved and lost than to have never loved.”
although- in my case, the character that is most like me is madara uchiha. his childhood was growing up in wartime, and his brothers all were killed by the rival faction. the war lasted many years, so it was bad bad and bad for a long time (vs sasuke who had it great until one day it all changed). Madara grew up to be a jaded, cynical, distrustful person who hated humans. that’s me. -_-
how was yours “crushed violently”?
Holy cow Naruto is AWESOME. I’m not even an anime fan but I was instantly hooked on that show. Ever notice how it’s basically a roadmap of mental disorders, with each character having their own? And you’re right, Sasuke & Naruto are a great illustration of that “loved and lost / never loved” saying. Don’t forget there’s also Gaara who represents a 3rd version: being loved and betrayed. He thought he was loved by his uncle who took care of him until the uncle tried to kill him, and that’s what made him snap and go full psycho.
I haven’t gotten to the Shippuden episodes yet so I haven’t seen the character Madara Uchiha, but I’ll keep an eye out. For real there are so many twisted, emotionally disturbed characters on that show, but what’s interesting is they all have their justification. Usually some intense or prolonged trauma turns them bad. But it’s also pretty cool how some of them turn back to the “good” side.
My trauma came in waves. I had a shitty childhood, but then when I moved out things became amazing for a few years. The violent crushing came in another wave, a bunch of deaths, and that snowballed into depression and more hardships because it becomes a domino effect.
you should go watch the shippuden series. too bad after so many years naruto finally ended.
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“For real there are so many twisted, emotionally disturbed characters on that show.”
–But see, isn’t that like real life though? We’re brainwashed to think that everyone is “normal” and that there’s only a few oddballs/psychopaths out there when in reality, there are MANY ppl who have trauma- as well as those who haven’t- go out and commit violence. i mean, just look at all those school shootings, let alone the workplace shootings and whatnot. There’s LOTS of disturbed ppl IRL. it’s just that we can’t read most ppl’s minds and don’t know how fucked up most ppl are.
i mean, think about it- if you live in a big city, in a given day, you walk by hundreds of ppl, or several thousands in a week (if you live in say NYC). how do you know you haven’t walked past a serial killer? or rapist? or abuser? you don’t. i’m sure we’ve past a ton of them. there’s supposedly 1% psychopaths and 3% sociopaths. that’s 4% right there. and that’s NOT counting serial killers, child molesters, rapists, etc. so 4% just those 2. now think about how many ppl are in a lecture hall or theater or hell, baseball game. idk sports but say there’s 10,000 ppl in the bleachers. in 1 sports arena alone, there’s 400 psychopaths and sociopaths. and that’s not counting child molesters, rapists, etc. some overlap but not completely. say a 25% overlap.
well, there’s WAY more rapists than there are psychopaths and sociopaths. college studies show between a 4%-16% self-admittance of rape. so like 10% of men on avg. that’s likely underreported since it’s anonymous and self-reported, and when it’s self-report, how many are going to tell the truth, even if it’s anonymous.
so 10% of 8000 (lets say 8000 men and 2000 women attend some sports game), that’s 800 rapists in the arena. plus 400 psychopaths/sociopaths. say there’s that 25% overlap, so there’s ~1000 total rapists and psychopaths and sociopaths when you go to a baseball game.
~30k ppl in a MLB game. so like ~3k rapists and sociopaths and psychopaths in 1 stadium.
hell, we can do a movie theater to make it more realistic. the avg movie theater seats 200 ppl. so that’s 8 psychopaths and sociopaths + 20 rapists. with some overlap, that’s say 22 total. let that sink in. when you go watch a movie, there’s 22 rapists and psychopaths in the room with you. who they are, and where they’re sitting, you don’t know. wild, isn’t it?
people don’t realize just how many shitty ppl are out there and that they pass by tons of evil ppl every day.
In essence- “there are so many twisted, emotionally disturbed characters we pass by IRL”
Yea I totally agree that society has psychos, rapists and murderers lurking everywhere and we probably interact with them on a daily basis without knowing it. I think it’s because we’re flawed at the core of our DNA. Humans are violent conquerors, how else would we have gained control of the entire planet? Not by being nice.
And now that we’ve conquered the planet and our only remaining threat is ourselves, the violence is turning inward on ourselves. Well I guess we deserve it. Not that we chose our DNA but we are the disgusting spawn of millions of years of conquerors & rapists. It reminds me of a Sarah Silverman joke where she talks about her ancestors being from a small village in Asia that got pillaged, so she says “I’m part jewish, part mongolian rapist”
In that respect I totally agree with your 80/20 or even 90/10 assessment of assholes in the world. The difference is, I think most of those assholes can control themselves, ie not act on impulse to kill, rape, steal. So the result is a society that pretends to be good, and maybe that’s good enough.
Back to Naruto (seriously thanks for reminding me how much that show deals with dark human nature), the character Naruto himself has the most powerful evil demon in the world locked inside him, and his whole character arc is about how he learns to acknowledge and control it. Maybe that’s the best we can hope for society to do?
Ofc society as a whole will never be able to do that. There will always be those full psychos who delight in being evil, like Orochimaru. He’s a school shooter if I ever saw one. But I think maybe the point of the show (even though it’s fiction) is that we can be a society of dark twisted psychos but still manage to function as a village. Uh for the most part.
“The difference is, I think most of those assholes can control themselves, ie not act on impulse to kill, rape, steal. So the result is a society that pretends to be good, and maybe that’s good enough.”
–Oh, I KNOW these ppl can control themselves, but since they’re shitty ppl, they choose not to. And that also applies to ppl who are narcissists, gaslighters, manipulators, etc. I don’t mean just the rapists, murderers, the really bad ppl etc. Even the “avg”/”normal” person is a POS, which is why I think most of humanity is shit. Hell, maybe even 90/10 is being generous.
Yes, society PRETENDS to be good. But humans are pretty rotten to the core. Maaaaybe like 1-10% at best are “good.” This is why I hate this stupid shitty world.
Society PRETENDING to be good maybe be good enough for other ppl, but it’s certainly not good enough for me. Hence, me = depression.
“Naruto himself has the most powerful evil demon in the world locked inside him, and his whole character arc is about how he learns to acknowledge and control it. Maybe that’s the best we can hope for society to do?”
–Pfff, I have no such hope for humanity. But then I have a more pessimistic/realistic view of the world.
–I have met evil ppl. Most ppl do not commit evil NOT bc they don’t want to, but bc they fear jail/punishment. I know ppl who have flat out told me they’d do x, y, z if they knew they could get away with it. And these are the HONEST ppl who admit it. most ppl are just pretending to be the nicest/warmest ppl. most ppl are fake nice.
humans hail from blood thirsty evil ancestors. our species only functions bc of rules and punishment. trust me, if something happened and police/rule of law was demolished, EVERYONE will show their true selves- we are blood thirsty, evil and selfish. Our species is a pox on the planet. But then again, according to Darwinism, THIS is what our planet breeds. And I want no part of it. You can see why I’m so fucking depressed about life.
There are many famous philosophers and scientists who feel the same way. They, too, suffered from depression.
As you mentioned, there are only 3 options- to be okay with it, deny it exists or take urself out from this world.
That’s why it’s better to not have faith in people and not make expectations from them. It’s part of our conditioning to always look outside. But the reality is that people have free will and can be as shitty as they like. Better to keep the mindset business-like/neutral outside and keep the quest inside.
We can keep making social systems, teachings, religions to try to make people good. But that cannot change fundamental reality of free will. It will express itself nevertheless. Is it any wonder that US, the richest nation in the world, has most number of psychopaths/mass killings? Is it any wonder that porn fetishes are usually the exact opposite of social norms? The more system tries to move one side, the more free will expresses itself towards opposite side.
yes but in life, we HAVE to have a FEW close ppl who we can trust/love/confide in, etc. The problem is that I can’t even find 2-3 ppl.
Not really. But if you have to, still don’t make expectation from them. Talk and express what you want to but if they betray don’t feel bad. It’s like that statement king Janak said about his kingdom: “I love this kingdom more than my life. But if it perishes tomorrow I won’t feel an ounce of pain.”
It may sound ironical but it’s not. King Janak is a king so he loves his kingdom. But he understands the truth of reality, that everything ends. Because he understands, he won’t feel pain when his kingdom ends. Similarly, you as human want to interact with people. But if you understand the truth of free will, you will understand that it’s not their character flaw but nature of reality. Thus their betrayal won’t pain you.
I know it’s idealistic but still sharing.
I get the anger thing. I had mine slowly extinguish so I went back home to develop it anew. I just don’t find people worthwhile so I don’t do anything, but if someone wants revenge then anger is definitely great fuel.
wait- you extinguished it only to go back home and develop it again? Why did you go back home, are you still there, and can you leave?
i suppose i’m in the same situation as you. back home and all the anger is back.
Anger extinguished that’s why I went back home. I even documented it here:
https://suicideproject.org/2018/06/empty-shell-4/
Naive of me. But of course narcissistic people never really change. Their behaviour made me leave again. But I relate with what is said in the video. I remember when anger was there, I was fueled by feeling of rebellion. Great, great motivating force.
how did you extinguish your anger, both times?
I can’t take credit for extinguishing it. I live away from home and it does with time.
One thing I do believe is that – in the end, all we have is ourselves.