And this is why I have never attempted.
*If you are squeamish, do NOT watch this video*
*Video From Inside Edition:
There was also this lady IRL who I’d see all the time taking the same bus I do in downtown where I used to live. Her face was all blown off too. She had aimed the barrel into her mouth. She apparently attempted and survived, and now her face, and i’m assuming her throat, trachea, mouth etc all messed up.
I’ve known many people who have attempted. All of them lived. The ONLY person that succeeded was a friend of a friend. I’ve never met her but she was the only one to have done it right.
It’s scary when even when you want to die, it’s not easy to do it cleanly, quickly and painlessly. There is like a 95-99% failure rate.
There was also someone here on SP who had attempted to shoot himself with a shotgun. I forget his username. But he sounded like an intelligent person. He wasn’t some moron who just picked up his gun and aimed willy nilly. He tried to aim it at his heart but it hit his ribs so the bullet did not strike his heart like he wanted. He called 911 and did survive. He posted on SP after he left the hospital.
Do you know of anyone IRL who attempted and lived? (and I don’t mean using pills bc those attempts rarely ever work).
33 comments
Yes. Quite a few of my friends, actually. I do have one friend who tried pills, (it didn’t work), but they also have faint scars marring their inner arms, just like the other people
That is why I am scared of trying again as well. I do not want my parents to get their hands on me if I fail, because rat would be far worse than death, and I do not want to end up chained to them if I hurt myself badly enough
People come back from terrible car accidents, and lots of other stuff. It’s like I was saying, the body can come back from a lot, especially if you get medicine. The stubborn thing doesn’t want to die. So if you are going to try and cheat and exit, the body won’t agree to it 9.88 times out of 10.
We all self sabotage, is another thing. Getting to 100% will to exit is harder than it appears. You have doubts? that’s going to come out in how you carry out your plan.
It’s trying to create this perfect storm, where you are ready to go on every level that baffles most people. There’ll be reasons to stay on some level, reasons that life is not without meaning or connection, or worth.
That’s what usually stops people. Three layers of the human being, and getting those three layers congruent is functionally impossible artificially towards death. When people are stopped, that’s what stops people.
But, lots of people aren’t stopped. We have the statistics we have for a reason and that is because people do complete. I’m just not sure I envy them anymore. I wouldn’t want to live maimed. We’ve had a few people on here who were maimed by an attempt, and I think they later attempted successfully. I mean, what else are you going to do? I guess they probably shortened their lifespan anyway with the first attempt.
I’m sure my near attempt did my lifespan no favors. Nor has the massive amount of psych meds I’ve been on, I’m off to the doctor on Friday for a top up.
Sure people have “come back from car accidents” but often not whole. I was hit by a car (NOT a sui attempt) and being maimed is worse than death.
Which is why attempting and failing is so high risk. THAT is the problem. That is the point of the post. Very few people attempt and succeeded.
How sad that people who suffer and want to exit aren’t even allowed to do that.
Who on SP have attempted? (not using pills and not slitting wrists)?
I only recall one guy who used a shotgun.
And lots of posts where people SAID they were going to do it but just bc they no longer post on SP doesn’t mean they did it successfully. Or even attempted.
Yes I’m sure several have tried. Are there any confirmed attempts or confirmed deaths?
I don’t remember the guy’s name, but we talked for some months many years ago and he was a miserable SOB. It might have been before you were on here, my memory is for shit these days.
He was one of those characters there was no cheering up, no light at the end of the tunnel for him. He felt like his life had already ended the moment he had made his attempt. Granted, I was pretty suicidal at the time, so I understood the sentiment, but you know me, I always try to talk people into not giving up.
Yet, as I remember it eventually he either did give up or he stopped showing up around here. It’s just, I’m pretty sure his last post indicated he was making an attempt. So when someone’s last post is that they’re making an attempt I assume they succeeded, I’ve seen at least 5 of those in the last decade. Which isn’t that much, considering our peer group.
I’m only saying they happen on here. He happened to be one of them. Frankly, he deserved a successful attempt, no one deserves to live with that suffering.
However, I wouldn’t want to maim myself in the first place, that’s me. Dying is hard, exceptionally so.
He took awhile to get there, now that I think about it, he’d made his first attempt sometime in his 30s, then he made his final attempt sometime in his 40s. People do tend to space out attempts.
I hate these sensationalistic “LOOK WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU FAIL” news stories. Sure they can cherry pick 1 horrific failure out of 800,000 successful suicides each year in the world. Just like that 1 guy who survived the Golden Gate jump is all “YOU’LL REGRET IT” as if he speaks for all the thousands who are peacefully at the bottom of the bay.
Whatever though. Nothing will change my mind from what I have in mind. I’m not a fucking moron and I’ve planned a solid death. On the 1/100000 chance that Spiderman rescues me, I’ll just do it all over again, like that girl I posted a couple months who was “saved” from jumping off the same parking deck 2 times in 2 weeks, got released from the bin and the 3rd time was the charm. If someone truly wants to die, nothing will stop them. No matter how long it takes or how many attempts.
As for successful suicides on SP, tons. I had a running list of at least 8 confirmed ones before it got too depressing to continue. Can’t remember all their names. I think SeeSmith (who himself died though not by suicide) had compiled an even longer list which he posted on his personal website. I haven’t been here long enough, but there are/were members who go all the way back to this site’s beginnings when suicides were a lot more numerous and well documented since detailed discussions were allowed. They would tell exactly what their plans were, so if their account went dark after, everyone else could google the details and sure enough, yeah.
I think today’s SP is more of a venting space, a general depression board, and a support site or safe place for people to talk. It’s probably much safer that way, so I have no complaints. If you’re a real sick bastard you can go to that other site, the shitty one run by a bunch of incels who convince 14 year old girls to kill themselves, and see that suicides are indeed rampant. The BBC even did a report on that site linking them to at least 100 suicides in the UK alone. Mostly young girls. The methods they promote on that shitty site are, shall we say, effective.
I think anyone who calls 911 on themselves after a failed attempt clearly wasn’t intending to die. I constantly think of Van Gogh who shot himself in the stomach in a field, didn’t die, walked all the way back home and laid in bed waiting. When they sent a doctor he reportedly violently refused treatment, saying “I’ll just do it again”. It took him a day or two of immeasurable pain I’m sure, but he succeeded. Mofo went out like a boss.
Well, first he said “The sorrow continues forever”, only when the doctor said he wanted to save him he said he’d try again and that was pointless, but yeah, Van Gogh was the portrait of the persistent suicidal man.
God, shot to the gut is a horribly painful death, but most doctors can’t fix that… it would be stunningly ambitious to try. I mean if the shot went all the way through you might end up paralyzed from the waist down. One has to wonder the caliber of gun he used, it’s doubtful that the damage was something he could have recovered from.
I mean, it was the 19th century.
I didn’t realize you were still in the “going to make an attempt” camp.
It’s a weird way I feel at this point about that. Death being the release that it is, life being the prison that it is…
but I always come back to the fact that death is coming down the track for all of us anyway without work, without effort, like a greased pig, and wonder if it’s worth the risk of flubbing an attempt. Acceptance of death’s own timing seems so much easier, and less messy.
Does that make me pro life? In a way, I guess. I’m not rushing for the exit right now. Plenty of drugs to be done, things to be seen, books to be read, movies to be seen. My wife showed me a puppy I get to go visit tomorrow.
Anyway, the long road doesn’t seem so long to me. 40-50 more years? Maybe that isn’t so long.
Also, with what is happening to my dad these past few months, there might be a few decades shaved off that sentence. I mean, maybe there were years of hard living I didn’t know about that are catching up with him, but without that, everything that has happened with my dad has been a look into my own future.
Genetics is really good at showing us what is going to happen if we do the same type of work for decades. Unless I change lifestyles from him.
Well the guy who shot himself in the chest had to call 911 bc he said the pain was unbearable. And he had missed his heart. I suppose he could have just slowly bled out, but he said the pain was unbearable so he called. I don’t think that says “he never intended to die.” It just means that his attempt was unsuccessful unless he could bear the pain for a long length of time. Which he said he couldn’t.
I’m sure there were lots of other attempts by other people. I just didn’t know who that’s why I asked.
No, you have it backwards. For every ONE successful attempt, there’s 25 attempts that failed.
Ofc ppl have succeeded. But it’s rare. There’s a 97% failure rate.
If you are so inclined to try it, then that’s fine. I am not trying to convince anyone to NOT do it. The video just showed up on my feed.
it is a reality of what happens if one fucks up and fails an attempt.
Again, if you want to attempt, no one is telling you not to or that life is just peachy.
What’s often ignored in these situations is that there is absolutely no provision or duty in the healthcare industry to put people out of their misery in horrific situations like this.
Their oath is ‘do no harm’…but what if they’re being harmed by being kept alive? Would could be worse than to survive a gunshot wound and your face is all mangled up and you’re in pain, unable to have any semblance of a normal life again?
They also don’t need any permission to euthanize a failed suicide patient because the fact they tried to end their lives is a clear sign they want to die.
These are the kinds of barbaric things that persist in modernity because humans are so dumb by nature and worse, we’re brainwashed by retarded, backwards religious ideals that we can’t even understand basic ideas in front of us.
Suffering and quality of life should be the main consideration. The problem is that Christian brainwashing in the US and the West is all pervasive, people don’t even allow other options…so people needlessly keep suffering.
I believe in time if the secular population keeps growing, we’ll bring sanity to the medical field, but till then people will keep suffering needlessly.
At least in Canada, we have some enlightenment in this area though it’s still restrictive. Euthanasia should be a normal part of ending up in the emergency room.
A botched suicide should be immediately euthanized. Unless the patient is able to express a desire to keep living, which would be rare anyways. It should always be assumed they wished to die and to help them finish with they started.
Rather, euthanasia should be easily accessible so nobody has to resort to guns or other dangerous methods to end their lives.
I think part of this is that it’s easier to blame the person “killing” or ending another life than it is to look into and deal with why people are suicidal or want to be euthanized.
On the other hand, trying to end one’s life is not always a choice per se, as opposed to the terminally ill wanting to be euthanized after having a much longer experience and time to think things over. When I was suicidal, for example, it felt like a compulsion that I had to do it and this came in bouts or episodes. So I can see why a third party may hesitate to finish the job for someone else, but I also understand that if the injury is grave, more likely than not the person would choose to end their life again anyways, even under a more rational or deliberate state of mind.
“I think part of this is that it’s easier to blame the person “killing” or ending another life than it is to look into and deal with why people are suicidal or want to be euthanized.”
EXACTLY. No one wants to LOOK into the actual problems and SOLVE them. Why? Bc that leads to uncomfortable answers- mainly lack of good paying jobs, lack of affordable housing, skyrocketing costs of everything.
Then there’s the medical industrial complex- ofc no one wants to look into that and fix it.
Instead, we get things like nets on the Golden Gate Bridge. Fucking ridiculous.
Agreed with both of you. There is a stigma with suicide and people don’t want to examine why it happens and then provide solutions for people.
I think Eternal, some of the problems are really too massive to solve, which is why we get the nets on the bridges.
In the US the disparity of rich/poor is even more extreme. In Canada we have free healthcare and many social programs to help people not end up homeless.
In America they don’t give a damn and it’s dog eat dog. Nobody wants to change the system because it serves the interests mostly of the rich elites and powerful.
Ya more people would want to live if they got the American dream, house, family, two car garage, good jobs, etc.
But it’s easier to end one’s own life than it is to bring socialism into the US capitalist system.
I largely blame the hegemony of Christian fanaticism which is the root cause of many problems in the US, we’re more secular and compassionate here in Canada, with people.
Using a firearm did cross my mind but according to this other website, you would need to aim quite well. There was a story about someone whose bullet entered the brain case, skidded its way inside the curved bone (they had very strong bones I suppose) without damaging the brainstem. Anyways, I didn’t think it would be a reliable method for someone who is not experienced. It’s not that easy for a young person to have access to firearms on demand either unless they plan ahead or other people around them already possess one.
I wonder if the gun attempts were made by ppl not familiar with a guns recoil? Bc I would assume shooting oneself was the quickest easiest way to go. But the stats on gun attempt failures and the IRL case failures are scary. Especially scary since I’ve seen them in person and it’s not just a stat or story on the net.
It’s faster than other methods but still take a minute or longer for the wound to kill unless the shot immediately destroys the brain or something. Aiming at yourself in three dimensions without any references is not the most natural position. Bad powder or cartridges can also cause injury instead of death.
Recoil can be a part of it, but the trigger pull can be heavier than many people expect and throw off their aim, which probably is not perfect to begin with, especially if they have access only to a long gun.
so ppl did not do a test shot BEFORE trying to shoot themselves? O_o
Regular shooters who have practiced probably won’t have too much trouble. Inexperienced people may assume shooting is easy like in the movies, but when the moment came they fumbled.
see, that’s why we need to freely talk about suicide and have real stats and data rather than this stupid shit we have now where ppl aren’t even allowed to say “dead” or “died” and have to use dumbass words like “unalived.”
all it does is let ppl attempt the wrong ways. just like all those millions of ppl who think just downing a bunch of pills is going to do anything.
if ppl were freely allowed to talk about suicide, then those ppl would know, or have ppl give them advice, to actually do a TEST SHOT before using a gun. Now the stats are al muddled- were these failed gun attempts done by people who didn’t know how to use a gun? or would experienced ppl still have issues due to the mechanics/physics of aiming and shooting oneself?
ok, so this lady i used to see on the bus regularly- she blew her face off. it looks like she DID aim it in her mouth bc you can see the end result. but if she aimed into her mouth, then how did the rest of the face just get so messed up?
like bc ppl are not allowed to talk about this kind of stuff, no one knows where to aim to do it properly so this same issue doesn’t happen over and over to millions of attempters.
it’s so hard to even look up suicide information. we have so much useless shit on the internet, but the important stuff you can’t fucking find.
This vid if anything proves how badly we need Maid for everyone in every country. Anyone at any time should be allowed to end their life if they’re certain that’s what they want to do.
Otherwise people are forced to use risky methods and end up badly disfigured and have a wrecked body. Even worse they can end up paralyzed…so not only are you even more depressed than before, you can’t even do anything to escape your terrible existence.
Meanwhile the ‘normies’ think they’re helping you and are being ‘compassionate’ when keep you alive, but all they do is prolong your suffering.
Worse than that, you have religious maniacs trying to ban euthanasia wherever it’s already available and legal.
Even here in Canada they have draconian rules on who can get Maid and even though their arguments have been defeated in court as being against our charter of rights/freedoms, the rotten govt still continues to side with the Conservatives who want to limit or ban Maid.
Luckily it’s still available and will hopefully be more accessible in the future to more people (like those with mental illness, in 2027), but the fight is never-ending.
There are some ‘sure-fire’ ways people can use instead of gu.ns or jumping…like drrowning (with a weight)….how can anyone survive that? Or certain gaases. There’s no “easy” way out of life…euthanasia drugs would be closest…but DIY methods all carry some pain and risk.
Before Maid was available, I had considered other means and at a couple of points in my life I was serious about going ahead with it, except the thought of leaving vulnerable family members behind, made me reconsider, so I dropped the idea for years.
Now though since Maid is legal here in Canada and I have some health issues that will qualify me, it’ll be a piece of cake for me to get approved if I was de.ad-set (pardon the pun) on ending my life.
Some nations (like in Europe) allow you to travel there for euthanasia, so for those who can afford that one-way trip, would could be better than have your passing done and be medically supervised by professionals?
Anyways I honestly feel for everyone who has been forced by life to be in this position to seriously contemplate ending it. I guess I’m sad some have left us, but also glad for them, that they are free now.
I became disillusioned with life ages ago and by my 40s, it was a done deal to me. I figured life inside-out and didn’t care for more of the same old, same old.
Now in my mid-50s I’m in a somewhat stable state, but I still have some big goals I’d like to achieve and that’s what keeps me going for now. I’ve targeted my 60s, if I make it that far to be the real “do or diie” point, literally.
If my life isn’t significantly better than today, then I know the next 10-20 years after, won’t be any better…in fact it just gets worse, esp with declining health. I came close to dying a few times in my life so “the end of me” or my life, doesn’t scare me anymore.
I’ve pretty much had it and if there was some disaster and the people I really care about all diied…I wouldn’t think twice and go for Maid.
I really wish I had made better decisions in my 20s and 30s and thank god for my friends/family who helped me to see the mistakes I was making and steered me on a better path, but I was trying to beat the system and wasted my years without success.
Anyways, I rambled too much so I’ll end here.
Does it have a waiting period to exhaust other options and prevent impulsive decisions? Having a legal, professional process in my view is much safer and humane than leaving people to their own attempts.
Yes they do have all kinds of safeguards including the approval of at least two health professionals.
I think giving a person a few days or a week should be enough time. It’d be nearly impossible for anyone to seek out Maid on a whim or for fun.
Most of us have known for years or decades we want out of life. I think they go overboard with the safeguards.
Previously they were only offering it to the terminally ill, but they fought it in court because it violates the rights of others who want it but their death isn’t foreseeable.
Hopefully in time the barriers are largely removed and it becomes available for all.
People who have good, happy lives won’t seek it out, only those who are suffering or just don’t want to live, will.
Canada doesn’t permit foreigners to use Maid at this time, sadly for our American friends, but it’s understandable, I don’t think we have enough resources.
lol if Canada allowed ‘Muricans, we’d all flock to Canada, like we already do, to get prescription medications for cheap. You guys would have to literally build a wall to keep Americans OUT.
Lol, it’s true…you have 10 times the population we do, we just don’t have the resources for so many people who’d want maid.
Such a shame it’s already not offered in US states…they’re trying to end abortion there too.
It’s bc of idiot right wingers who are brainwashed by the right and by religion to keep breeding and overpopulating the world. Fucking stupid.
90% of America’s problems are due to overpopulation and the rich stealing from the poor, and making rules that make it happen.
And idiot right wingers think the government has a DE-population agenda so they’re purposely pumping MORE idiots out. Meanwhile the government and elites purposely want people to keep having babies bc it keeps them impoverished and powerless.
I hate the left for a lot of reasons bc the left also does a lot of stupid shit but at least the left know over population is a real thing and it’s hurting the country and are not having so many kids.
Not that Americans know anything about what goes on in the world but India over the decades have tried to teach their populace about abortion and about how having so many children keeps them poor. Especially to the rural areas. And whala. Suddenly India’s GDP increased while poverty decreased. Now India’s birthdate is actually <2, meaning less ppl are being replaced than dying out.
Vs idiots Americans who keep spawning and increasing all their problems – overpopulation, low wages, lack of jobs, poverty, etc.
I get ppl wanting to have ONE, and even having two. But why TF does one need to pop out 3, 4, 5 or 20 kids? The ones popping that many out are precisely the ones that SHOULD NOT. Fucking stupid.
I once had neighbors that had five fucking kids. And two fucking outdoor dogs. The daily noise was unreal. Literally nonstop round the clock. They ALL be outside too. It was a fucking nightmare to hear all that shit day in and day out and all night long. Fucking disgusting. And yes that was in a red state.
Idiots spawning is the dumbest thing ever. Especially when you’re already poor. Bc poor children generally have bad childhoods, poor health, and grow up and stay poor. There’s not much economic mobility. Why spawn kids and sentence them to a life of poverty?
Especially more than two kids. There’s just no reason to have more than two.
Wish we could have a two child policy here in the US. Rent/housing is fucking unaffordable here.
You have no idea how much I wish we had immigrate to Canada instead of fucking America. I’m so pissed. Nothing but horror in the United States, especially for poor immigrants. And no, we were not poor when we were in our country. Which is why I’m even more pissed why my parents immigrated. If we had just stayed in our country, we would be doing so much better. Especially since our country now is doing better than the United States. The United States started declining in the 80s. And that’s exactly when we came over. FML -_-
You have no idea how much I hate the fact that they immigrated here. To The shitty United States of all places. My life would’ve been so different how we just stayed in our home country.