”Open your eyes, it’s all only lies,
you’ve got people that love you and care for ya- hang on.”
What rubbish, don’t you see, you need some proof? –
take my life, it’s the clearest evidence.
I’ve been left behind, misunderstood,
never one of the kind, the quietness counted as rude.
So don’t give me that lecture,
I’ve got enough to write a book.
I need somebody to stay and not judge by the way it looks.
Cause it’s different, not the way it seems.
So long hidden, lost it’s identity.
Help me find it, always stick with the Lord,
if i lose Him, i’m all overboard.
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Hello Invisibleflower,
Did you want to talk? You won’t find many here who want to talk about Jesus…but I do. 🙂
Thought I would offer
Peace
Amakua
Hello there!
Well it’s a nice offer, thank you.
How could i get in touch with you?
Hey Invisibleflower,
Are we not in touch? haha We can talk here about most things. But if you would rather email…I warn you…I suck at it…but my email is posted with my comment.
😀
Amakua
You said you are not against talking about Jesus. You a follower? 🙂
Am I a follower? Of Jesus…yes of Religion…no
The Jesus I know may not be the one you know. I was raised in the church…but didn’t meet Jesus till I left. Sorry…it’s the truth. Jesus abhorred organized religion. Who is the Jesus you know?
Curious
Amakua
The Jesus i know is Life. He is the Reason to keep holding on. The only reason. He is the friend when i have no other. He is my family when i have none. He is the ray of hope when i don’t even think i can survive another day. He is the one when after me pushing Him away, cutting, purging and screaming at Him to finally see that i’m not worth it- still stays. He still after everything says “I chose to co on the Cross. I chose to love you.” And nothing changes that, i know now. He is the only good one. The one who helps me love myself, when it’s the opposite that i do. He is gentle. He is kind. He is patient. The Jesus that i know said, “you not giving up is your worship to Me”. When on the other hand the “religious” jesus says “you must worship, you must lift up your hands and pull yourself together, put on the smile and be thankful for what you’ve got.” But the One and Only Jesus the King is the one who says, “be you. come to be as you are. as broken as you are. as screwed and messed up you are. and I will make you whole.”
So, yea.. He is everything to me..
How did you find Him when leaving church? And don’t be sorry. Jesus has His ways of getting to people…
How did I find Jesus? I went looking for the Christ. I am a Gnostic myself…as was the historical Jesus. Christianity imo is a bastardization of Judaism and Roman control that occurred many years after the death of the historical Jesus. I have also read most of the Gnostic texts found at Nag Hammadi. And there is where I found Jesus. Have you read any of them yourself? My favourites are the Book of Mary and the Book of Enoch? Do you know who Enoch is? hahaha…most don’t. 🙂
Also I wonder if you have read “Of the Imitation of Christ” by Thomas a Kempis? Second most published book after the Bible.
Jesus tried to teach us about the Christ…the Christ in all of us…even you. So in essence…yes you are unconditionally loved…but you have to make yourself whole in Christ. That is what Jesus referred to when he asked us to follow him. Again…jmo.
I also understood your reference to Job…another good story in the Bible. I’ve often related to Job myself. But haven’t we all? haha
Are you a church goer yourself? I admit I miss the music…especially playing the organ and piano…and singing 😀 But that’s about it.
Amakua
I am sorry i don’t know what Enoch is…
And i haven’t read the book.
Well you are right, God has said that faith without deeds is dead. So we do have to do our part as well, agree. But what do you mean by saying, “make yourself whole in Christ”? I cannot make myself whole, I am made whole in Him. I have to accept it.. But of course how we accept it is by submitting to Him..
It’s interesting, =), how did i refeence Job? I didn’t do that on purpose..
The work that The Lord did in Job’s life is really remarcable.. And it is a book through which God has encouraged me a lot..
Yes i do attend church. Cause like Hb10:24-25 says “And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.” Cause we are a body held together by Jesus and i personally find it impossible to stay on track without the fellowship. And we ought to live like Jesus lived and He had fellowship and attended and teached at the synagogues all the time..
Yes the music!! I have led worship since i was 13 and that’s a major part of me and how i communicate with God.. Worshiping is so powerful and breaks the bondages, the enemy cannot stand that..
But what church did you attend? Have you visited any other ones? Because there are some places where it’s harder to meet with Jesus and the people are not so willing to follow His Spirit and i’m sorry for that.. But i am glad you found Jesus! =)
Hey…I love a great debate. Not trying to save anyone but me though…haha
Sooo…you referenced Job yourself in your first post…no mystery there eh? haha
But Enoch…now that is a mystery to most. He was Noah’s great grandfather. Ring any bells? Have you read Genesis? Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea…..” This is the first place I get stuck. Who is us? But read on…the bible explains it…ayup.
How about Genesis Ch. 5 you know…the part where so on and so forth lives so many years, begets so many sons and daughters, and dies?
Genesis 5:21-24 “When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years. Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
Why is Enoch different? Have you read this? Now google the Book of Enoch…and find out why they had to subversify it…hahaha
I have been a member of many, many churches. I have also studied all major religions, some minor ones…and many belief systems. At one time I would have considered myself a Xtian…now I am more. That is all. I AM.
What is your “religion” or “belief system”. If you say you’re a good Catholic…Imma gonna fall down dead!!! hahaha jk No judgement here…seriously.
Peace
Amakua
Yes i have read Genesis and about Enoch.. Well God is The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, so He can say “us”, no ? 🙂 And that is a great example for why we need others and the church, even God is not alone, He is in Three.. =)
And I am glad about Enoch, that he walked with Jesus… But he is not the only one, so did so many other people from the Bible..
I don’t know, i’ve never really been into the denominations and defining them… It only leads to arguments between christians, and with that we miss the point. My religion is Jesus Christ. I believe in the Bible. I believe that God is the Great I Am. I am not a catholic. And a “good” catholic, hahaa. I’m far from good, hahahaha. I deserve death. I deserve the hottest corner in hell. It’s only through His mercy and grace i’m still here and can see another day. Church wise i like to say i go to Jesus’ church. I go to a church where no perfect people are allowed. We know we all fall short of His glory. But there we are, together trying to learn about Him and just Him. Tring to grow together in Him, in the wisdom of His Word and in His Presence, laying down our lives to worship Him, cause that’s the leaest we can do.. For us, for me, the point of it all is to know Him and make Him known. To be loved by Him and to love.
Hey Invisibleflower,
Nope…guess you missed my point…haha Okay…well Enoch did not die. He was taken up in a chariot of fire to be with God. How do you explain that? And God is not the father, son and holy ghost…not in my opinion anyway. When they said us…they were referring to Us…as in more than one of them. The Bible clearly states that the gods came and took the daughters of men and impregnated them…you know the whole Nephilim thingy…hahaha…cuz the God of this world is and was an alien…haha You should re read Genesis…and then I encourage you to read the Book of Enoch…you can google it easily enough. Then we’ll have a real good debate.
Jesus was just a man…a wise man…but one who had the Christ Consciousness…and yes he taught in the temple…temples were meeting places after all…but where does it say he worshipped in the temples? Do you know about the missing years of Jesus’ life? Did you know that he was also in India? Did you know that most of what Jesus actually taught was more Bhuddist/Essene and nothing like the Christianity practiced today?
Do people not understand parables anymore? Symbolism? I dunno. So the Jesus I know is a lot different than the Jesus that you know I guess. But then I did meet him on the Pathway of Pain eh? I have literally read hundreds of books on the life of the historical and religious Jesus…and they just aren’t the same…that is all. Christianity only takes a small part of his teachings…that is all…he was sooo much more. Do you know about his Dark Night of the Soul?
Jesus taught that we do not need churches or intermediaries to reach God or Gnosis. But that is the Jesus I know. Jesus knew I AM…or God and that God was THE WAY…the one true God…not the gods of this world that most religions worship. He also knew THE TRUTH…and THE LIGHT. the truth and light in all of us…the thing that makes us co creators with each other and God…not separates us from God. That is Gnosis. Google that eh? And that is what we are here to achieve…Gnosis not sacrifice to others.
Peace
Amakua