Asked ChatGPT how Van Gogh died. Got flagged for violating usage policy??
So much for suicide awareness in the 21st century.
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Asked ChatGPT how Van Gogh died. Got flagged for violating usage policy??
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Welcome to America, the land of the fre—oh wait. We have NO freedom of speech apparently. We just have the ILLUSION of freedom.
this applies to all countries. our overlords control everything that we see, do, and say. -_-
Yea it’s at the point where America’s laws apply to other countries so you’re controlled wherever you go. I hate that all other countries are rolling over like lapdogs to appease whichever sitting moron-in-chief, it’s effectively making the usa the de facto fascist government of the entire planet.
You want irony though, many of the most public influential people in the suicidal world didn’t die by suicide;
Neitsche, founder of Nihilism who said “God is dead.” He had a long spiral into dementia and depression late in his life. If ever a candidate for suicide, but he died of pnemonia
Albert Camus, writer of The Myth of Sysyphus a collection of essays that do more to discuss suicide than any other philosophy text I’ve ever read. I’ll grant that he is an existentialist and that is a less suicidal approach than nihilism, but just barely. I just came accross a quote of some question that is still amusing regardless of accuracy;
“Should one kill oneself or have a cup of coffee?” this is attributed to Camus, that is the questionable part if he said it or not.
Yet he died in a car crash in the end, anti climactic.
Finally we have Kurt Vonnegut, who seems to have spent a significant amount of his over 80 years of life depressed and suicidal. He wrote books in which many of his characters committed suicide. One of his short stories had ethical suicide parlors, and the way he wrote about it made it clear he thought that it wouldn’t be such a bad thing.
I’ve quoted him often about how he smoked heavily trying to kill himself, which is my own passive attempt, I relate to this man so heavily. He was a literary genius though, I don’t think I am, but one can dream. If I ever write something as good as his worst book I’d be happy.
Anyway after a long life full of awards and honors, as well as a lot of talk of suicide he died from a fall in his home.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets really hard to get Kurt Vonnegut books, as well as Myth of Sysyphus , getting back to the censorship you were talking about.
I love the writers of the mid-late 20th century because they were dark as hell. Not just plot wise, but philosophically dark to the core in ways that expressed the hopelessness of the human condition.
Camus is an interesting bird though. Yes he wrote extensively on suicide (I can’t remember which book it was…maybe “The Rebel”? …where he begins the book by saying the sole question in life is whether to kill oneself. Dude got my attention real fast) but wasn’t his core thesis that we should keep fighting, i.e. stay alive?
I haven’t read Sisyphus despite it being on my nightstand for the last 2 years. But I’ve noticed that in most of his writing Camus was anti-suicide, though the subject clearly bothered him because he wrote on it so extensively. Isn’t The Myth of Sisyphus basically a hypothetical reasoning why Sisyphus shouldn’t kill himself but instead find comfort or even happiness in his suffering? (This is what I’ve heard, and it’s actually why I haven’t read it)
But you’re right, although Camus may have written against suicide (or rather, in favor of living, there’s a difference), he struck me as one of those prevention advocates who ultimately die by suicide. The semicolon girl, the Cornell professor, notable figures in the mental health profession, etc. It’s almost like one of those Shakespearean situations where they “doth protest too much, methinks”.
Anyway back to your point, if it were any other decade than this, I would’ve laughed and said book banning was a thing of the Nazi era. But Florida has already banned Vonnegut from schools (fucking kidding me? Vonnegut was required reading for me and I credit half my ability to form complete thoughts to his writing!). And they’ve also banned Stephen King.
But the Stephen King banning sounds more like a republican crybaby response to him criticizing Trump. A different subject altogether… although it does directly feed into the totalitarian warnings that many of these suicidal writers cited as evidence of sheer hopelessness.
they’ve banned stephen king in schools? lol, since when is sci fi/fiction illegal? effing ridiculous? jfc, censorship is out of control now. and it IS mainly a push from the left (ofc there’s all this anti abortion book banning from the right as well)- but the past decade of most censorship, especially on social media- is from the LEFT. which is why i hate both the left and right.
OH- did you hear- many schools have banned kids from having “Death Notes” lmao. Kids have been suspended (in the US) for merely having a notebook with their classmates names on it. OFC, the Japanese, where the anime originates from, isn’t doing stupid shit like banning notebooks bc CLEARLY BOTH the kids and the teachers know it’s a fictional story, aka anime. apparently idiot teachers and school admin here wants to just outright ban shit bc if you ban shit, it makes it all better and the “problem” go away… *eye roll*
Why is America the land of retards? I swear America is stupid af, and it’s not funny anymore. Not when actual fiscal, economic and educational policy is based off of stupid idiot ppls beliefs.
the left is no better- and in many ways, now WORSE. since the 2016 election, it’s clear they want to censor anything that doesn’t fit THEIR agenda. clearly i’m not right wing, but 2016, 2020 and 2024 elections showed just what the democrats were, not just with social media censorship, but many other things as well. you couldn’t talk about covid or anything unflattering or critical about the vaccine. left leaning podcasters who criticized the left were doxxed and either shut down or had the algorithms changed so ppl couldn’t find their videos. there’s way more shit than that but there’s a litany of fuckery from the left as well. both the left and the right serve their rich masters, not us, the poor peasants.
OH- and it’s thanks to the left that we can’t mention the word “suicide” on social media or google- they’ve changed all the algorithms so it’s hard to find suicide information now. and any mention of suicide on social media posts gets deleted or banned.
now we have to use stupid ass words like “unalived” bc clearly, if you just ban a word, then suicide no longer exists. (*insert the biggest eye roll ever).
also now there’s all these stupid ass “trigger warnings” that you must put before any post, even on depression and suicide websites and forums. and i HATE to use a republican term, but JFC, the left really ARE fucking snowflakes.
They’re banning Steven King now?! That’s hilarious, no one loves cancel culture more than Republicans who complain about it the most. Of course it’s going to do more for his sales than it will do to hurt them. That’s how it works. I’d kill to write a book that got canceled. You know you’ve made it when someone is clutching their pearls saying your book has scarred their poor children.
I’m sure at some point King has dealt with suicide in his work, but only because he’s SO prolific, it’s my main problem with him, I’ll never read through all his work unless I outlive him. You can’t understand a writer unless you read all their work and thus he’s perpetually unable to be understood by me… I guess if I was a hardcore fan, but I’m not….. there are better horror writers.
I also disagree with his take on The Shining by Kubrick, I know it’s his book, but it’s a great movie, one of the greatest movies of all time.
However, he doesn’t deserve to be banned….. he’s got enough money for one. I suppose the upshot is that some young people will get introduced to the one book of his that I think is pretty good, It.
I’m not sure of King’s stance on suicide either because I’ve only read 2 of his books out of what… ten thousand?? But one of those books was Night Shift which included the memorable story about suicide, “Last Rung on the Ladder”. It’s about a guy uncovering the details of his estranged sister’s suicide leap as he also flashes back to a childhood episode when she jumped/fell off a ladder.
It’s not really pro-suicide but it definitely paints the picture of some people who are damaged beyond repair and are doomed unless someone swoops in to rescue them. I read it in high school and it stuck with me all my life.
Of course Night Shift is one of the books banned in FL by Republican House Bill 1069. Who knows if they banned it over that suicide story or some other contrived reason, but in either case I think you’re right that it can only help sales, and King seemed to offer a thinly veiled sales pitch in response to the bans: “run to your public library, or the nearest bookstore, and read what it is your elders don’t want you to know.”
The other King book I read was The Shining and I loved the movie! To be fair he has every right to be irritated because Kubrick’s version is really different, and what author wouldn’t be miffed. But yeah the movie rocked.
Then there is the other side to the coin of them claiming people like Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington committing suicide when they were more than likely murdered. They stumbled onto a child human trafficking ring and tried to expose it. I won’t even mention one of people connected but many would call what happened to them Arkancide.