Suicide is often referred to as a permanent solution to a temporary problem.  I figured the reverse could also be said though. Whether or not someone chooses to end their life does not change the fact that their life will end one day. In otherwords, choosing to live is a temporary solution to a permanent problem. We’re still going to die.
Often I’ll ponder ways that make committing suicide more rational than not committing suicide. I have not been able to rationalize suicide though. At best I can say that with a certain value system (a valueless value system) choosing to live is just as rational as choosing to die. Here’s how I do that.
First I’ll make a list of reasons for living:
1) my friends and family will be happier if I lived
2) I get to continue having conscious experiences and learn new things
3) I may find more happiness in life later and change the value I hold to my own life.
4) fear of dying. We are biologically driven to want to live. Even when given a painless way to die, I am still driven by fear and a desire to live. I have no doubt this has been programmed into me from millions of years of evolution.
Then I’ll make a list of reasons for dying:
1) I get to see if there’s an afterlife right now instead of waiting. I’m an agnostic-atheist and am almost 100% there’s nothing after dead but I can admit that there’s a small chance there is something else. It’s hard for me to imagine not existing anymore so I’m intellectually curious what happens after death.
2) I won’t have to worry about the bad things in life anymore and I shouldn’t have any regrets about missing the good things either if I will no longer exist.
3) conquers the fear of death
4) won’t have to worry about a surprise death.
5) we will no longer feel anything or conscious. Therefore we will not be conscious of any consequences and this is a decision without consequences subjectively.
Now that I have all the reasons laid out, I can see that my reasons for living are emotionally based (emotions of others, my fear, my happiness, hope for future happiness, desires). I would say most of the reasons for living can be eliminated from the acknowledgment that once we die we will no longer experience emotion and everything we’ve learned and experienced will be gone along with us.
The way we feel about others or what what we want for the future won’t matter to us once we’re dead. If we change the question slightly and ask whether or not we should be rid of our emotions, why should we let our emotions have a say in the matter? Making the wrong emotional decision will not result in sadness since we will no longer feel sad after we die.
As said earlier if we see value as something emotionally based and conclude that value has no objective value then at best we can come to the conclusion that living and not living have equal value: zero. And after all that, we’re still lift with our natural biological urges to continue to live.
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What if the next life was better in every way? How would that change your conclusions?
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hmm that assumes there is a next life huh? It still wouldn’t change any conclusions that I can see unless the decision to kill yourself had an effect on the next life (i.e. being sent to hell for it). An afterlife might provide an objective purpose to our existence which might change things but as an atheist I don’t believe in those things.
hmm, seems i can not pass a moderator, a second try…. i’ve seen you here before, we should converse if you please….
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The fact that we all need and long for hope and love in life seems to testify to our biologically wired need for God. The fact that we do possess these emotions and thoughts while here on this earth. When things are really bad, when good circumstances and worldly security blankets are taken away, what do we have left? Nothing. Everything is temporary and strippable, and we are only human. But here’s a crazy thought – that’s the good news. There is hope that surpasses circumstances, and there is love that NEVER fails. These essential treasures – no matter where you are in life or who you are – come from God. Through faith. At the very core of life, God will meet all of your needs.. and He is there. He is so there. And you can see Him changing lives in real, tangible ways everywhere on this earth. Please believe that there is a God who loves you very much. He offers you a free gift – the redemption of your sins through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, His only son – so that you can enter into a personal relationship with God and get to know that LOVE. & amazing purpose, to live for His glory. There’s so much truth, joy, peace, truth, joy, peace, truth, joy, and peace, to that. Choose Him today. <3
ahh once a person claims that god affects their life on a personal basis they lose all credibility in my mind. There’s a difference between god actually affecting your life and you having good fortune and choosing to see it as god helping.
haha I have had many of the same questions myself. But I guess you wouldn’t know until you’ve experienced it, right? It’s okay to have doubts and an unbelieving heart because we are only human. We can’t even begin to imagine or understand how great God is because He is almighty and truly amazing… unfathomable to the human mind. But just a glimpse and you are just in awe. It’s not about having good fortune 🙂 I really need you to understand that. What testifies to His awesomeness is that if you believe and trust in Him, you can have the greatest sense of peace and HOPE even in the midst of really dark/difficult circumstances. Because you are living in the truth. There are so many, soul-stirring ways to know that He is real. It’s not just words…it’s a real testimony 🙂