If suicide was legal and medical assistance was available to anyone who wanted to die, I wonder how many people would choose to drop off the face of the earth? I know I would. However, if suicide was legal and easily available to anyone that wanted it, then would the government lose it’s control over us? Would our parents lose their control over us? Would our abusers lose their control over us? Maybe that’s why our society fights so hard to keep everyone alive because they know if we had the right to die, then they would no longer have power over us.
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I feel like you are a kindred spirit. I wrote an earlier post,about a month ago,stating that suicide prevention was more for the so called survivors than those suffering.
I completely agree. I’ve heard people say that people who commit suicide are selfish, but really people who kill themselves cannot take the pain of this life anymore whereas the people that try to get them to stay are the selfish ones, forcing them to stay regardless of how much mental agony they are in. The people that force us to stay are the people that are happy, they are fine with this life, and they think everyone should be like them, but the truth is not everyone is. There are some people who are miserable. They wish that they were dead every single day, and medication or counseling does not help them. I personally think it’s inhumane to force these people to stay alive, and I think it’s a form of social control.
Sorry if I’m being selfish, but I don’t want you guys to die
Well i dont think that wanting someone to live is inherently selfish. However, I think that if someone is in so much mental agony for years and years and nothing changes, then I think that it’s best for them to be able to leave. The reason I say this is that I believe that everyone has the right to a good quality life. Therefore, if they are not able to achieve that, then I believe they should be able to die as they wish.
@T.C suicide project.
@idgaf44 word. (yoo should have the right to choose.) But i get it. if you got a kid who want’s to off them self. you will feel guilty about it. So dose the society about suicide. But if you got a mental illness or lost a leg or what ever. It’s all about quality of life. If you got no quality of life. Then you should have the right.
T.C suicide project.
It’s all about quality of life. Say your mental or ill or lost a leg. Got no quality of life then you should have the right. But people feel guilty about suicide.
I agree that its selfish when people want you to stay alive just so that they dont have to feel bad or guilty.Most prevention is in place b/c people who arent suicidal dont understand the depths of pain that we are in,and it makes them uncomfortable.Having “prevention” programs makes them feel like theres something out there “to help” without actually confronting the whys and hows that are involved with being suicidal.
@sunbird
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Do you think the law really factors in? Of course it makes it harder to suicide… but if you really want something (drugs, guns, murder) you will find a way, law be damned. Sure, if you had control over your death, to an extent society would lose some control over you. But if you are dead, you lose what little control you have within society, so it kinda cancels out.
But.. why recently so much talk about legalising suicide? I mean I think it should be legal, but who cares? You’re dead. You don’t have to face jail or fines – there are no legal repercussions, and even if you you fail, it’s not like the cops come knocking on your door to arrest you for an attempted crime. Surely there are bigger fish to fry? Interesting fact I learnt recently: It is legal in australia to marry your first cousin…. but it is still illegal for gay people to marry?! WTF? surely something like that deserves more attention?
@ one-day. I totally understand your point about having no legal repercussions after you die because you are dead. However, if you fail at killing yourself, then there are a whole slew of consequences such as hospitalization and organ failure…etc. I think that the assisted suicide should be legal for all people so that they don’t have to experience the consuequences of a failed suicide.
@idgaf, good point I hadn’t thought about those non-lethal consequences. However, in legalising assisted suicide, aren’t you simply shifting the responsibility of getting the job done properly from the individual to the medical comunity? That hardly seems fair either, to the poor bastards who do it. It places an unfair moral entrapment for doctors… who swear an oath of ‘first do no harm’….
@ one-day, I see your point. I guess I don’t see the medical community as actually helping people. I see it as a corporation that makes money off of illness. They over prescribe, over diagnose, and keep people in horrible conditions all in the name of not doing harm. I don’t believe that the medical community actually successfully treats many illnesses or really wants to because if they did then there would be no illness around. What would happen to the medical field if there weren’t so many incurable diseases?? The medical community likes disease and trying to discover cures, not to prevent death or harm, but to make money! They thrive on preventing death and harm not for the sake of morality, but because prolonging the death process creates job security and keeps their corporation alive. I don’t see how the medical community can charge sick or disabled people thousands of dollars for medical treatment without feeling morally entrapped, but they do. I know that sounds so critical of me to say, but I really think that it’s sad what the medical community has become in the United States, and I know that’s just my opinion. I also know that the medical community would never assist people in suicide. I know that’s just wishful thinking on my part.
@idgaf, I agree that there is a hell of a lot of corruption and madness in the medical world… but I don’t think it should be so quickly written off. Yes, they make money. Everyone needs to make money. If you think about the amazing advances medical sciences has made (curing smallpox, polio, we now live to about 80yrs, wasn’t too long ago we lived to 40…), all that work, all those laboratories, all that reasearch… well, it ain’t cheap! I know things work differently in the US, but in other countries, the government heavily subsidises healthcare.. therefore, those ‘sick and disabled’ people are not paying much at all. Someone has to pay either way, no industry runs on goodwill alone.
I think you’re right in that the line between profit and morality gets really blurred, just think it’s really unfair to dispell all the good the medical community do, just because there is some other corruption going on. And about legalised suicide, I’ll say again, I just think there are bigger fish to fry.
People should be able to legally commit suicide regardless of what society or government or anyone thinks. Even if they aren’t in mental or physical pain, they have the right to choose for their self what to do with their life. It is the most fundamental right we have, the right to self determination. Nobody and no government can change that- ever. Even perfectly normal and happy people might decide that they don’t approve of or agree with or just fit into this life. Maybe they just object to the rules the creator has set forth. Doesn’t matter. We are all free to choose and decide on our own. The government isn’t your master and you aren’t their slave. Period. End of story.