Today in religion class, we talked about euthanasia and how it goes against the fifth commandment of you shall not kill. One student asked the teacher that if somebody kills themeselves, do the go to hell. And the teacher said nobody can know but God, but it is assumed that they go to hell. And that in the early days of the church if someone committed suicide, they wouldn’t even have a funeral for them or bury them in the church because thats how they felt about suicide. She went on to say that now that medical education has increased, it is not the suicidal peoples’ free choice to kill themeselves because most suicidal peolple are depressed and depression can make you want to kill yourself. And then she told a story. When she(the teacher) used to be a substitute teacher for my school, a senior that attended the school committed suicide and they had a big mass for him and they even read his suicide note at the mass and found out that he was depressed. She didn’t say how he killed himself, but I want to know how he did it so mabye, since it obviously worked, I could do the same method. If I do kill myself while I’m attending this school, and if they have a mass for me and read my suicide letter, I want to mention the names of the people who made my life worse in the letter so that everyone can know who helped make this happen. So anyways, I was quite satisfied that a religion teacher said that if you kill yourself nobody knows of you go to hell or not. And I hope I don’t.
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I wouldn’t, if there are people that actively try to damage your life, then to them, the knowledge that they have ground you down to this state will be a sick kind of victory. It is sad but there are people like that out there. Also, I doubt they would read your note out in front of the school if you blatantly named names.
While I am not religious myself, you should look at the Bible. God is described as loving, forgiving, and kind. How could such a God send you to Hell for killing yourself, when the external pressures that caused that scenario were under His control anyway?
Hopefully, they won’t feel victorious at my death. I kind of want them to suffer. To feel bad that they helped kill someone, and to have others hate them for doing that. And for that last statement, I agree with you.
Don’t base killing yourself off of whether or not god thinks it’s okay. If you kill yourself hoping to go to heaven and have a better life, what happens if there is no god? Then you just squandered your one and only chance at life. It’s a gift we’re given. If you’re religious, realize that life is what god views as the greatest gift possible to give. And he’s given it to YOU. Appreciate that, and take advantage of the opportunity that god has given you.
Also, there’s no chance they’d read your note to the school if you blamed people in it. Their responsibility is to help the students through the tragedy, not to make some (who probably already know deep down it’s partially their fault) feel even worse. There’s a decent chance someone might kill themself after being informed (especially in front of the whole school) that they are the reason another has committed suicide.
@not here if they don’t read the note, then that’s fine, I’ll not only be posting it on here, but on facebook as well, where I can tag people in it. And I don’t care if they kill themselves or not. They treated me terribly, they get what they deserve.
I understand you want them to suffer, that lust for revenge is an all-too-human emotion. I can tell you from experience, it can take you down a very, very dark road.
To want to end your life in order to hurt another is not something that makes you a bad person, but you must understand that everything they have done to you, everything they have done to make you feel like this is your only way out, has been done to hurt you.
The greatest form of revenge would be to show them that they have failed, that they haven’t hurt you, or at least not to such a degree.
@NR I don’t want to kill myself simply for revenge. That would just be one of the many benefits of it. And I don’t think they do it to make me kill myself, which is why I will mention their names so they can realize it.
But would you say they do it out of spite, just to hurt and degrade you in little ways? While it is true that your note may cause them pain, it may well do the opposite. If your death carries with it the possibility of pleasing someone you clearly do not like (to say the least), then you should think carefully about what you are planning. Also consider that if you fail in your attempt (so many suicide attempts can go wrong), then having posted the note on facebook could make things worse for yourself.
I will not outright tell you not to do it, I have been in your position myself enough times to know that someone telling you not to kill yourself means jack shit.
If you don’t mind, what are some of the other benefits of what you are planning on doing?
@NR Well, the world would be better because I’m a terrible person and one less person like me would be better. I’m just a problem to most people so me being out of their lives will reduce their problems. My parents wouldn’t have to spend so much money on me anymore. And nobody really cares about me so if I kill myself it most likely won’t affect their lives at all. Theres more, but I can’t think right now, sorry
No need to be sorry.
If your parents care about you (and I will hesitantly say that from what I can glean, they do), then you need to think about what impact this will have on them. Please only do this if you understand what this will do to them, you need to be fully aware of the impact this will have on them, and be willing to cause such an impact, before you do this.
Also, if you see yourself as a terrible person, as someone who only brings problems and negativity, I understand that. I won’t go on about my experiences, as they aren’t relevant, but I really do empathise. While the negativity and the problems may well disappear if you do, that doesn’t mean that ending your life is necessarily the best solution.
If you dislike yourself as a person to that extent, then change. Instead of affecting people’s lives in a negative way, do it in a positive way. Be the very best person you can be. Surely that would be better for the world than your existence translating suddenly into nothingness?
@NR I can’t just change whenver I want to
No of course not, but if you dislike yourself enough to end your life (which is unbelievably hard to go through with), and you at least want to be a better person, that’s a start. It is the will that matters, as you are a religious guy, I may as well remind you that God will forgive you for anything you have done in the past. So much of Christianity is about redemption, and if you want to find it, through God, through yourself and your own motivation, however you do it it doesn’t matter, but finding it really does wash away your past.
It isn’t easy, and it isn’t quick. To say anything else would be a lie, but that is what makes it worth doing. It isn’t something you should do for anyone else, but if you want to be a better person, then that is all you need to achieve that.
@live I don’t know if how someone else feels can be a motivating factor in a suicide. You have no idea how they’ll feel. Your family will feel bad but assholes at school may not give a fuck. As far as heaven or hell that can’t be known for sure. I don’t believe in Heaven, Hell, or god but I can be wrong. Its one of the risks of suicide…
@LiveNoLonger I can understand the desire to have the people that have done this to you dead at least somewhat. When my friend committed suicide I remember the hate I had for the people at our school that treated him like shit. I wanted them all to die. I wanted to kill them myself. I don’t know how many times I wished all of them would have killed themselves years ago so that maybe that amazing person would not have done so himself. I guess it’s a little different, because it’s actually to you, but I think I can relate a little. Let’s just say that as time has passed, I still hurt, and I miss him more than ever. However I no longer harbour the hate for those people. I realize now that I just wanted him back and I would have sacrificed anything for him. But whether they feel any responsibility for it or not, whether they pay any price for it or not, is all irrelevant. He’s gone either way.
I know that probably doesn’t help a lot, I just wanted to share. Like NR, I don’t want to flat out say “don’t kill yourself”, but it seems to me that 9 times out of 10 things do get better. I know you probably think you’re the 1 (and hell, maybe you are), and I’ve certainly felt the same way before. But I think you should at least give it some time. Especially if you’re still in high school. High school fucking blows haha. I know lots of people say it’s the best time of their life, but those are probably the people you hate so much that will say that. You should keep going, because the sweetest revenge of all will be in 15 years when you’re successful and many of those pieces of shit who made your life miserable in high school are flipping burgers and scraping by on minimum wage.
Just don’t do anything rash. Analyze it, and try to be reasonable with it. I don’t know everything about your life, only you know that. Make sure you land on the right decision.