The date of this post has no real significance, I just didn’t know what else to call this.
Some of you responded to me with questions asking for more information on this topic, so I was going to address that. Â (This post isn’t specifically for the three people I listed. Â It’s for anyone willing to listen.)
Starting with “one_day” :
1. Â I know that I need to go out and make friends, but i disagree with the fact that it’s unhealthy to have just one friend. Â Let’s say she didn’t “abandon” me (or whatever she did), I’d be content, I would be happy, my life would be enjoyable, because I would have my best friend with me every single day. Â What’s wrong with that?
2. Â I do realize that if she wanted to contact me, she probably could. Â But the thing is, while I was on the phone with the police on February 22nd, they told her that if she were to contact me that she would get in big trouble and that they’d have a “discussion”. Â They told me the same thing. Â And when I violated it by attempting to contact her again, they came to my house while I was at work and spoke with my parents. Â Second, there is no restraining order. Â Police cannot issue restraining orders, only courts can.
3. Â You question how objective I’m being. Â Relationships with people, whether they be romantic or just a friendship, it can be very difficult to remain objective. Â You become consumed in your emotions for your friend or partner. Â Everyone has experienced it. Â It’s easy to be objective from the outside.
4. Â This part about “if your perspective is so screwed that you can’t gauge what people want when they talk to you, then you need help” comes off to me as more of a personal attack, than a critical assessment. Â Correct me if I’m wrong. Â I have not been to therapy, and I will explain why towards the end of this post.
Titanium:
1. Â I’m intrigued by your apparent knowledge of the law. Â Specifically where you say that it’s just scare tactics. Â Care to explain a little more?
——Stressful Skype call conversation on February 20th
I worked 2-11 that day. Â I had a 1 hour lunch break from 6-7pm. Â We just typed messages to eachother for a minute or two and then i suggested we voice/video chat. Â She replied “okay. Â but just so you know, I’m at mikey’s house doing math”, which completely set me off. Â Because mikey is her boyfriend, and she specifically told me she wasn’t going to be hanging out with him at all unless she told me specifically beforehand. Â So she lied, and I was very upset. Â We argued for the entire hour, and at the end of the hour, she asked me “now what?”. Â And I replied with “i don’t know. Â I’m going back to work. Â Can you please be available to call tonight when i get off?” Â and she said yes and then we hung up. Â What I think happened, is she told her boyfriend mikey what happened. Â And he convinced her to stop “dealing” with me by just going to the police. Â I’m not positive though. Â I’m merely speculating likely situations. Â And, in case this still doesn’t make sense, it’s because you’re missing part of a story that dates back to September/October of 2010. Â Obviously, that’s a pretty large expanse of time, and it would take hours to type it all out, and I don’t have the energy for that at this time of night. Â I might one day, assuming anyone cares enough to read it all.
I do appreciate the 3 comments I received. Â Thank you, I didn’t expect any responses.
I’ve already decided to end my life, but this weird thing has happened.  It feels like I have this to-do list.  Like I have this list, and I’m just checking off things I need to do before i do it.  When, none of those things will matter if I’m dead.  And yet I still place such a high amount of importance on these trivial things.  Trivial even if i had decided to continue living my life as normal.  Things like this classified information I once stored on my desktop, I’ve actually bought four 8gb flash drives, encrypted them with 256 bit AES encryption with a 20+ digit password, and placed them in four different locations.  And i deleted the sensitive data from my desktop of course, then proceeded to wipe the free space.  The only possible way to access the data, is through my mind.  For some reason, the thought of her and her boyfriend hooking up, the thought is completely unbearable to me.  It’s so upsetting, at times it makes me feel as if I cannot breath.  And sometimes I rationalize my death with theories like evolution.  That someone as emotionally weak as myself doesn’t deserve to live, and my dna won’t be passed on to curse another person with emotional instability.  I feel sad, because I’m going to die with the thought that  she didn’t care for me and that she just wanted me out of her life.  Which to me, that’s the equivalent of no one caring about me.  I don’t know why, but the fact that my family loves me seems to have little influence on me.  It’s not nonexistent, but it’s not significant enough to change my mind, which I’m certain is wrong, but that’s just the way my emotions go.  I don’t know why.
Forgot to add why I have not been to therapy: Â The reason I have not been to therapy is because I’m extremely doubtful the therapist will understand my situation. Â I think people are so consumed with what’s “normal” and what’s “weird” that it’s just disgusting. Â I think people are too quick to judge people as freaks, psycho’s, or stalkers. Â The words are thrown around so loosely. Â But that’s just what I would be labeled by most people, a freak, a psycho, a stalker. Â All of those are very negative and hurtful words. Â I personally don’t believe I am one of them, but I do believe that people would call me those things. Â And I believe the therapist, while he/she wouldn’t say it, would probably think it. Â And that is extremely important to me. Â I cannot stand fake people. Â And with a therapist, I know that it’s their job to help you. Â So I wouldn’t know if they genuinely cared, or if they were just doing their job. Â I wouldn’t know if they considered me to be a freak/stalker. Â Their opinion matters to me. Â I can’t deal with fake people.
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I just want to let you know that I feel the same way you feel…Even though this post was none of my business since you adressed specific people. But i feel the same way..good luck to you. I wish you happiness..I sincerely do.
i did address specific people, but it’s not only for those people. it’s for anyone who cares.
Well I care..very deeply. If you want to talk about anything else, i’d be more than happy to listen and comment on whatever you’d like me to comment on
I don’t think you’re giving yourself a fair chance… My opinion. You’re not going to therapy because you’re concerned with a possible label. It’s a valid concern… and I’ll suggest to you that you’re not the only person working your way through life’s challenges. Chances are, any provider you see would have some experience working with a similar (not the same… key word) situation…. and they could provide insight that you’re not allowing yourself to obtain.
It seems as though you’ve been through quite a circumstance… and I don’t doubt that it’s been overwhelming. Again, you’re not alone in that regard. Look around this site. Nearly everyone is here because of life’s stresses and happenings… not because the site has a great buffet or holiday shopping discounts. If you don’t allow yourself the opportunity to work through what’s going on, you’re not giving yourself a fair break. That stinks. I really hope you think about things… more… and decide what you want to do with the life you have… and how to get there.
I’ve been in similar shoes… and I still struggle… but I just don’t want to see someone throw in the towel too soon.
distant.road,
I forgot to mention something. I don’t feel comfortable being with a therapist in person. It just feels really weird to me. And it’s not just therapists. Talking to anyone about anything personal (with the exception of Jackie, the girl this is all about) is extremely stressful for me.
You say “i just don’t want to see someone throw in the towel too soon”. This has been going on for quite a while, since january of last year. There have been almost no ups, and many many downs. With each down carving an even deeper hole in me emotionally. It has been a long and very emotional struggle, and assuming she’s abandoned me, she’s struck the final blow and I won’t be here much longer.
I remember reading your last post about this situation, although I didn’t comment. I’m going to chime in now though.
There is nothing “wrong” with just wanting to have one main friend, so to speak. If that’s what makes you happy, great. The only thing “wrong” with it is that it’s putting all of your eggs in one basket, to use a worn out phrase. If that one friend suddenly loses interest in being friends with you, look at the position it puts you in, look at the pain it causes, you can’t just decide to change your focus to your other friendships, because you’ve chosen not to maintain any. Nobody can tell you it’s wrong to just focus on one main friend, but it puts you in a vulnerable position. You said it yourself, if you could just have that one person, you’d be perfectly happy. Well, that translates to: one person in your life has an awful lot of power over your happiness, and they can take it away from you. That’s what’s dangerous about it.
We don’t know your entire relationship with this girl just from reading a few paragraphs about it, but it sounds strange when you say stuff like “she agreed never to see her boyfriend without telling me first”. Try to look at it from the other perspective. You obviously care for this girl a lot, imagine if you were in a relationship with her, more than just a friendship. Would you think it was fair if she had to report to some other guy before she spent time with you? And would you want your girlfriend having Skype conversations with some other guy? So you’re right, it very well could be that her boyfriend got involved and told her to just stop talking to you. Can you blame him?
Try not to rationalize this stuff in your head to look for loopholes, trying to convince yourself that she must want to talk to you to, but the police told her she would get in trouble as well, etc. It’s a waste of your mental energy. If the girl wanted to talk to you, she would find a way without getting caught. It appears that she doesn’t. It’s easy to let your judgment get distorted in situations like these and tell yourself the other person still cares, and it’s just that her boyfriend or the police are stopping her. But that’s a real stretch of the imagination. The truth of the matter is probably much simpler, she isn’t interested in talking anymore.
I understand it hurts. You barely got an explanation. I know being out of her life would hurt no matter what, but I’m sure you’d feel at least a little better if she had at least been mature enough to explain why, or tell you what was going on. I’m sure it hurts and it’s confusing that one day you’re talking to your friend, you agree to talk later on, and next thing you know you have police telling you to stop harassing her. Sometimes these things happen in life though. Think about people in long term relationships who get cheated on and left behind, people in marriages where all of a sudden the other person just leaves the house and never comes home. You’re not the only person in the world who has been in a painful situation and feels like they never got a good explanation. But you just have to move on.
You’re absolutely right, it is much easier to be objective when you aren’t directly involved in a situation. I’ve had relationships end before and I would find reasons to keep talking to my ex and trying to make things work, and other people would tell me I was crazy and needed to leave it alone. I couldn’t understand their point of view at the time, because my judgment was distorted. But these other people outside of the situation always end up being right, because their emotions aren’t involved, and they can see things clearly. So yes, it’s a lot easier for the rest of us to read your story through a computer screen and tell you what we think you need to do. It might sound like we’re being heartless or not understanding you because our emotions are not involved in this situation.
You just need to leave this situation alone. The only person who can do anything about it is the girl. If she reaches out to you and makes contact, fine. But you just have to try to move on. I only see two outcomes, you’ll either find a way to move on peacefully, or you’re going to crack, and try to get in touch with her, and possibly end up getting yourself into trouble. That would be a much more painful way to have to learn your lesson, but sometimes we can’t let something go until we push too far. I certainly hope you’ll be able to walk away from it without getting into any trouble.
There are more people on this planet than you can imagine, surely you can find a few other people who would enjoy your company. You can’t find more fulfilling relationships than trying to have video chats with a girl who already has a boyfriend, you can find someone who wouldn’t do this hurtful stuff to you.
My advice is just to put your energy into “letting go” instead of continuing to analyze the situation in your head and trying to make sense of it. Sometimes the hardest thing we have to do in life isn’t just dealing with difficult answers, it’s learning to walk away when we don’t have any answers at all.
Need to correct my second-to-the-last paragraph: you CAN find more fulfilling relations than….
ThousandCuts
I put everything in this one friendship, because i didn’t think she would do this to me. In a good friendship, you try not to do things that would hurt the other person. And if it does hurt the other person, then you two discuss it and work out a solution. This was a very deep and important principle in our friendship that actually worked for quite a while.
It does sound strange for me to say that, because I haven’t done my job in explaining it. And it’s probably my fault for leaving out this next bit of information about that: I’ve known her for far longer than she’s known her boyfriend. She met her boyfriend in July of 2010, they didn’t start dating until february 2011. I’ve known her since October 10 2008. I’ve got quite a “headstart” on this guy. For her boyfriend to think that he somehow supersedes me is nonsense and I take offense to that. He shouldn’t feel such a sense of entitlement when I’ve known her for far longer and helped her through so much more than he has. I do blame him.
As for the rest of it, you’re right. And regarding the thing about being objective in a relationship, I can understand the objectiveness. But I simply cannot force myself to act upon the advice. Like, you telling me to not contact this girl again, I know you are right. But I cannot get myself to listen to your advice, my emotions completely override it.
I don’t know if I came off as angry, or any other negative emotion, but I just wanted to say that I was none of those. Thank you very much for taking the time to write such a long response.
this is not love it’s just obsession so try to get over.
You are making a big deal out of nothing the world does not start and ends with one person.
Sorry for beeing to rough but you need to put yourself together and keep walking because are other people who care and need you.
Belive me you are not facing a problem this can be solved.
If you kill yourself then you will prove that she was right and u are a weird.
@mark – sorry I only just saw this.
I think it’s unhealthy to only have one friend because humanity is so diverse, and you can’t form a objective understanding of people and humanity if you only have experience with one other person. But, That is only my opinion. And my priorities are different from yours. I want to understand people – that’s not your goal.
Oh sorry i got confused about the restraining order. But… the police told you to leave her alone, and you refused… well… is there a restraining order NOW? Because you disobeyed a copper. That’s kind of a big one.
Yes, it’s easy to be objective on the outside. Which is why, in this instance, you should be a little more open to an outsiders perspective…
Sorry, not a personal attack at all. I don’t know you. Why would I? But I am very concerned about both you, and the young lady in question.
BTW, when she told you on skype that she was at Mikey’s, that was a passive aggressive blow-off. If she really wanted to talk to you, she would have said ‘ok’, Told Mikey she had an important skype call and gone somewhere private.
If you’re wanting to kill yourself over this girl, it’s not a very good reason…
It’s interesting that you say you don’t like fake people, but you only have online friends. It’s so easy to be fake on the internet…
one day
We do have different goals. And as for you asking if there’s a restraining order “NOW”, there is not. A cop does not have unlimited power. By what you’re saying, it can be reasoned that whatever he says becomes law. That’s not the case though, we have a court system for a reason. Police fall under the executive branch of government, they enforce laws, they don’t make them. And to say that a police officer can simply say “stop talking to bob”, you have to ask the question “does it say that a police officer can forbid me from speaking to someone?”, and you’d find out that the police officer CANNOT do that. Only a court can do that.
It’s easy to be objective from the outside, because you’re not emotionally involved. Saying that someone should be more open to an “outside opinion”, while it’s good advice, it’s far easier said than done.
Why are you so concerned about Jackie? I would never hurt her.
It wasn’t really a passive aggressive blow off. We had already planned to video chat at that time. And she actually did leave mikey and went downstairs to video chat with me.
Not everyone is fake on the internet. I never was.
I know a cop does not have unlimited power. I know all about the court system. My sister is a lawyer. I know that technically, you don’t HAVE to do what a cop says. But looking at it from a ethics point of view – a cop’s job is to protect people and uphold the law, and so one has to assume that everything they do is related to that. So if a cop asks you to do something, (or in this case, stop doing something), it’s because what youre doing is probably on the verge of hurting someone or breaking the law.
I am concerned about jackie because, as an objective observer, it appears she wants nothing to do with you (she’s just too much of a coward to tell you directly so she sends the cops adn her boyfriend instead), and you refuse to listen. I am concerned for any woman who is getting unwanted attention. What you are doing is clearly unwanted attention.
It was a passive aggressive blow off. Once again, she didn’t have to TELL you she was with Mikey. She was hoping you would take the hint. You didn’t, and she is too much of a coward to put her foot down, so she skyped you. But she didn’t really want to, otherwise she wouldn’t have mentioned Mikey, KNOWING that it would only make you angry.
Not everyone is fake on the internet. It’s a lot easier, that’s all I’m saying. And I don’t know how good your bullshit detector is, but I don’t think it’s very good because I think Jakie is a bit fake (not in a mean way, just in a ‘I don’t want to hurt your feelings so I’ll just lie’ kind of way) and it’s showing now, and you still can’t see it.
Many have already responded to you already, I hope mine will have some value and reach you. I’ve read your 2010 post and the everything above. You spoke of how angry you were that your history didn’t superseded his. Does that give you more say over her? When she expressed her interest in Mikey, you forbid her from talking to him. Later on you MADE her promise not to go to his house? Can you see how you display what you dislike in him? That sense of entitlement. You’d want Mikey to respect her choice, should you not do the same?
In my sleep-deprived daze I repeated ‘already’ twice, mispelled, and replied in the older post. Whoops.