Hey here! It’s been a long time i wasnt here 🙂 Was pretty busy.
Anyway, talking about suiciding..
It was a beautiful first warm day a week before. We got a call that 56 years Female Intoxicated by Drugs.
Blue lights. Sirene. Speed. Running….
On the way i am wondering – is it worth to risk my own life (speed, traffic, cars, bridge) to help a suicider?! It is i guess.. you never know when 2nd chance helps!
We run to call and found he collapsed on the floor. Made her conscious and asked what happened. She was a nice lady… in nice flat.. with nice family… anyway, she said she wants to die and she took lots of diazepines and vodka. She was found accidentally, so nobody nows what was the time she took pills.
I made her to drink tone of water, to clean stomac as much as i could.. She drunk half of what i asked and stopped. Craved me to let her die. Had no other option as to put a probe into her stomach against her will.
THAT WAS THE VIEW I WILL NEVER SUICIDE BY DRUGS.
We were cruel. Took her head and thrusted in a probe while she was speaking. Her eyes nearly jumped on the floor and she couldn’t breath for 20 seconds. Tears fall down from her eyes. We put a probe to the end and started put water. Liter by liter. In and then out. In and out. We cleaned her stomach so perfect and so tortured that lady won’t try it again EVER.
After procedure she didn’t argue. She nearly run to a car and was transportated to hospital. I am sure later she was taken to psychiatric hospital.
All i wanna say – always think twice…
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Been there done that got the t shirt,I was raped and just wanted to end things do you have no empathy at all for other people’s suffering?I know what it’s like in the medical profession you get cold to other people’s suffering but come on think about it..she wouldn’t have done it if she wasnt suffering…
Its sounds so cruel and mean. With help like that who wants help. Thats why when i try it again i will make sure no one finds me in time. Why were you so cruel?
Am i the only one that thinks what u did was right? To all thos giving out, how does one live with themselves when they let someone else die when they can save them? Those with the ability to act have the responability to act.
what if they dont want to be save, should you really force them to live?
Fuk wether they want to live or die. I know im being incredibly insensitive and im sorry but what type of person does that make u if u turn ur back on someone that is dying? How are u better than any murderer in any prison. If u have the ability to save someone and u dont then u might as well kill them urself… Some people devote their lifes to helping others. Clearly the author of this is one of them. Besides i believe that everyone who is saved is saved for a reason, they arnt finished yet. Also u get caught trying to kill urself and that meens u havent put enough thought into it which means in my humble and maby wrong oppinion, that ur not ready to do it and the action is not ur choice but a reaction to events in ur life. Suicide ahouldnt be spur of the moment or anything it is a decision that should be made when the person is calm and thinking clearly deciding with all kental capacity that this is indeed what they want… I dunno this is only my oppinion, sorry if u dont agree no ofence intended
the worst thing is you’re probably convinced you did her a favor .. I can’t stand motherf-ckers like you who want to play god
If a stranger walks in a house, the householder will ask, “Who are you ? What do you want ?”
If the stranger says, “I am God” .
A furious householder will react by gun pointing at this alleged God.
The reason is simple. The God would have already acted like being one, and there is no need of telling to be believed.
A job paid to save lives, is just a job.
A doctor, paid for treating patients, is often overly surcharging for the circumstance of patients’ pathetic imploring.
Being nice and kind and caring, is just a truly beautiful person could be !
as hard as i try not to believe that i am here for a reason and that reason must be a damn good one for me to have survived what i did to myself especially with out any type of damage, even the doctor was impressed i suffer no long term damage and survived. But i dont want to live, what ever my purpose or any body else s purpose is, some one who wants to live can take it over. People who want to die should b allowed to do it. Why are we all held liable for all the other stupid things we do and told that we have a choice, to choice what we want to do with it. But when i make the decision that i dont want to live i cant i dont get it.
“But when i make the decision that i dont want to live i cant i dont get it.”
tell me about it ..
it just shows how hypocritical, full of shit those ‘life is all about choices’ , ‘you have free will’ statements are ..
if you aren’t allowed to choose between life and death, why talk about choice ?
i mean society and the law wont let you. If you try to kill your self and people like the paramedics/ doctors/ police are meant to do everything to keep you from succeeding. You cant just say i am going to go kill my self bcz you got the cops on you as if you had just committed a crime. what ever happened to freedom.
I was heading for a place to hang myself like a month ago , the cops caught me on my way there (it was around 4:30 am)
now I have these idiots on my ass, they’re supposedly trying to help me by pushing me to go back to being active in society when I don’t wish to set new goals, meet new people etc .. regardless of my state of mind, I just don’t want to be here and they cannot grasp that
forced help is an insult to your will and intelligence from my pov
what type of ppl are these idiots? thats exactly what i mean we should have a right to end our lives and not be forced to live it, no be send to a mental hospital bcz we dont want our lives
you know what’s ironic ?
the more they try to ‘help’ me, the more it fuels my anger and determination to leave here
I can see what they’re trying to do but I never asked for it
if they’re really eager to help, how about assisting those who want to experience life but have nothing to eat, nowhere to sleep etc ? nothing of this makes sense to me
i totally agree with you, let us do as we wish. dont try to help someone that does not want ur help or to be saved
You can actually help someone without being cruel..my point was yes you did your job but did you hsve to torture her?for the love of…
Jesus H Christ. Everyone has a choice. Killing ourself has to be a choice. If not ir undermins the whole concept of suicide. Its talk like that, that suicide isnt a choice, that drives others to but in and try nd save us. They think u are just reacting or something and feel th need to save u. The problem is suicide is getting a steriotype as a desperate act, not as the free will choice that it should be. Viewing it anyother way undermins the whole concept. But that is as always in my own oppinion. Personally i think the paramedic deserves a congrats for saving her. Its not like he was being an evil bastard trying to make her suffer, he was doing whats right, saving another human… Dont get me wrong id rather he didnt save me if ever he runs across me but i still wouldt hold it agains him
If it is their job to save lives then they were doing their job.
Which is why it is up to those of us who choose death to do our best to make sure we are not found. And prior to our planned death to fake it to let those around us think we are ok. That way they will not be suspicious when we disappear.
If I walked upon a man in a field bleeding to death and when I tried to help him he pleads with me to let him die I will respect his wishes. Because I’d wantt he same respect if I were in the position.
Suicide is what the individual wants to do.
And the world refuses to accept it as a valid choice because if they did, humans would have to actually face up to the messed up stuff we do to each other and the atrocities we let go on like poverty, war and violence.
I am only perturbed by the torture remark-not very professional no empathy -epic fail no matter what the out come change jobs maybe a lion tamer would be better hope one bites you in the arse lol
Everyone should just lay off the paramedics. It’s a fucking hard job, both physically an psychologically. My last bf was a medic and fucked up because of it. You spend all dy runnig around saving people. No one is gonna thank you. They will thank the doctor in the hospital. Someomes youdo 20 hour shifts. Watching people die. Blaming yourself for not being good enough to save you. Getting puked, bled and pissed on. And then you get the suiciders. And As much as you want to let them die, you can’t. Becaue you yve a moral and professional obligation. Because you swore an oath. You work fucking hard and you know that the 2 hours you spend on a suicider, you could have spent saving someone who actually wanted to live. But you can’t make that call. It’s not your choice.
If u don’t want a medic to save you, you should do a better job of locking yourself away before anyone can get to you. It’s really not that hard to lock yrself in a secluded toilet somewhere. But don’t blame someone whose life is already hard enough, for your failure to do the deed. It would also save my taxpayers dollar if you could sort it out properly yourself, many thanks.
And yes, medicine is cruel. If the patient refused to drink the charcoal, yes, the medic or doctor is obliged to force flush. If you don’t want to go through this, I recommend you drink the charcoal.
I appreciate black scorpian telling us what is in store for failed suiciders. Thi is valueable information. Now you all know what to expect if you fail.
We don’t ask “hello, do You want to die or live?”. Each patient is on MY responsibility. If i let her die – her daughter will sue me next day. Im not a GOD to decide – i have only one way – do everything on my will to save it.
By laws, if i see that patient makes a danger to his, my or others life i can use police and any procedure to stop danger and save life. If she would fight us with a knife – i would call police, will block her and will do procedures anyway.
Medical system is based on priciples TO LIVE, so stop cursing docs – if You wanna die it’s not a wish – it’s mental disease.
All i wanted to say is not to use such way to suicide that out of it is not 100%, because after founding them comes physical suffer. And then everyone who tries to help are motherfuckers.
Everyone who blames me for using torture i repeat – if patient in a real danger refuses procedures to stop that – i use them anyway, i have all rights. In that case police and ambulance are working together.
Call me a *****, but i will never cross my only one rule – RESCUE, WANT YOU OR NOT. Even if some ways are not soft…
and One_Day – I SEND YOU A VERY BIG HUG TODAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Medical system is based on priciples TO LIVE, so stop cursing docs – if You wanna die it’s not a wish – it’s mental disease.”
if that isn’t brainwashing at its finest … congrats on saving her life, you’re definitely a hero
I dont really think of it as torture, its not like @Black_Scorpio was trying to inflict pain it just couldnt be helped. Now while I agree with almost everything u say im not sure i like the idea of wishing to die being a mental disease 🙁
Each of emotion is caused by chemical mediators. Thoughts and feelings are also made by mediators. Depression and wish to stop living is related with disease. Its very hard chemical reactions with hormones and all physiological processes.
But what makes the mediators that cause happiness and love any different… as far as i can tell the only thing is that they are more socially acceptable?
source ? would you mind posting a link to a study ?
it probably won’t affect my outlook (every person w/ a death wish shouldn’t be classified as mentally ill; social suppport, medication & professional help won’t help everyone, some people just don’t like the human experience) but I’m curious by nature
You all really can’t see what i wanna say…
I’m very sorry.
But if you will feel better even a moment – do it, put all the shits on me, curse, despise. Thats part of my job – being a piece of a shit, an evil, worthed nothing.
Being a sponge to absorb all dissatisfactions.That what people really say to us. They call us motherfuckers, until they need us.
And it’s not being a hero. Fuck it. No heroes in ambulance.. Heroes are in Intensive therapy rooms, cardiologists, surgeons, firefighters, oncologists… Rescue workers are jokers in my country. Hated by doctors, ER personal and government, but loved by simple people who wants to get help. And it’s enough for me personaly.
when u say ironic HERO i feel really hurted. and it hurts more than being called ***** in a red uniform.
Im sorry if i caused offence man that wasnt what i was trying to do, i merely looking for a… lively debate of sorts… nd what u do is more important than doctors, i mean u actually go out nd save people… as far as im concerned u are a hero, sorry if i upset u 🙁 and @truthbetold there are bound to be studies supporting this view out there, just as there are trashing it… its a personal choice which u read and believe, but if this idea is true then that meens with pills we could in theory retard the depressed side of us…
“when u say ironic HERO i feel really hurted. and it hurts more than being called ***** in a red uniform.”
I’m sorry it hurt your feelings but w/ a post like yours, you should expect that type of reaction
& I’m not really attacking you nor your actions (you were just doing your job), I’m just sick and tired of this -life at all costs- ideology .. people shouldn’t have to kill themselves in secret in the first place
@procel:
I’ll never take pills to ‘fix myself’ .. I was depressed from 14 to 18, got a break from depression for 2-3 years w/o any medication or therapy .. I believe help should be optional, not forced .. if you don’t want to be here, why are they so determined to keep you alive ? when will the mentalities evolve ?
People should kill themselves in a secret.
Would You like to see your child seeing a dady, uncle or neighbour climbing on a tree in a backyard? Did You hear what a big trauma it is? or You think just about yourself? Have You ever found a suicider from a family ? i mean dead one.
Die if You want, just stop calling ambulance the last second and stop killing yourself at home – family has to live with that view all them life.
Train & gun – two things i never blame for. That is really last decision with no argue.
i never intend to take pills either, i merely say that they are an option, one i despise but one none the less. I understand where ur coming from man but people are hardwired with the survival instinct, and many lack the ability to understand why some are not. people dont understand what is different and seeing as they, and we both view our stand on suicide as correct we cannot change their views without them first accepting they are wrong, the mentality wont evolve that suicide is ok because the majority of people never end up where we are. but while i am, to a degree on ur side, we also have to take everyone elses views into acount. only then can we learn
don’t try to preach me .. if I only cared about myself, I would have committed suicide months to years ago
I’m aware of those things you just listed .. but as time goes by, to be out of this world becomes a must .. don’t expect me to keep worrying about who’ll find me as my death wish keeps growing
Great said Procel.
@procel:
the majority is always right 🙁
Truthbetold, i am very sorry you got this destiny full of anger.
lol .. I’m sorry you were a target of my anger black_scorp
Yay now hug it out 😀
The majority is not always right it is merely too much hastle convincing them of that lol
im just fucking tired today. so fucking tired…
i take your anger and i let it go. 😀
@procel – wishing to die, yet no doing it IS a mental illness. If you feel bad mentally, that is the very definition of mental ill health. If you truly want to die, you can do it. If you want to live, you can do that. But this limbo, wishing to die but not wanting it enough to go through with it… its stupid. and insane. and illogical. Not that it should be stigmatised. But yeah, it’s kinda wrong because of it’s dumbness.
@truthbtold – people should kill themselve in private. because if you understan anything about empathyy or human emotion you should not want to hurt others more with your pain. why the fuck would you want to involve other with your death? are you so desperate for attention? Its no ones business but your own, so why make it others business?
@black scorpio i know what it’s like. I am traing to be a social worker. It would have been very easy to study psych instead. I would get more respect and more money. I would not become the easy target for angry people (like EMTs). but no. I chose to focus on the people who cant afford to pay to get help. If I have to deal with 100 angry hatemongers to get through to one person who’s worth my time, I’ll take the odds. Hate me, whatever, I’m stronger than you. If you want to put your anger on me, thats fine if it saves you putting anger on yourself. I don’t lose sight of the bigger picture: Sometimes one person is worth the effort. All of it. You’re not always going to be the hero. But you are always going to care, and that is much more valueable to me personally.
lol you guys misunderstood me
what I meant is: maybe people should be assisted in ending their lives when being alive has become a burden, when the cons obviously outweigh the pros
if I were to go ask a doctor to help me die in a peaceful way, I’d be told that I’m too young to die, I should get some help, things will get better (same ole lines)
and even if he didn’t mind doing it (which would be a good surprise) and I’d be ready to sign a thousand documents to confirm I made that request, tape myself asking to be assisted in dying etc, he’d still go to prison (which makes sense to those who think inside the box)
it’s not “normal” of me to want to die and I’ll receive unwanted help, no matter how much I’d keep telling them I don’t want it .. total disregard of your will and suffering, it’s all about the laws and social consensus having the last word .. where are empathy, understanding, all those qualities that supposedly define a human ?
therefore, I have to do it in secret, behind people’s back .. it’d be stupid to try to kill yourself in front of people, knowing the majority would try to stop you
and if someone were to stab or shoot himself in public, maybe society should wake up and ask itself how it leads people to behave that way .. but nooooo, let’s just label him with 2-3 personality disorders, sweep the case under a rug and move on
@truthnetold I am getting mixed messages from you.
On one hand, you seem to have a problem with the fact that no one will assist you in a humane death.
On the other had, you seem to have a problem that suicidal people aren’t offered enough help and support with their mental illness.
So what is it you want? Sympathy or indifference?
@oneday. i’m sorry this is random,but i emailed you. can you please check your email account (the oneday one) thank you so much!)
@truthbetold Look at it as a game. Your role is to do what u want. societys role is to make u conform into what they want u to be. Life is a game in order to get out u have to play by their rules.
Procel, You seem so smart and mature, don’t understand why You are in this webpage. Anyway, hope life doesn’t push You so much to make any the worst decision.
Appearences are deceptive im a imature idiot lol but thank u @black_scorpio. Live long and i for one think u rock
@procel check u out. U just bagged another girl!!!
u both made my day 😀 😀 😀
Haha @one_day as alway u make me smile, tho considering how it went with the last one i not sure thats a good thing. Btw i not sure i understood. Who we talking about? See black_scorpio suicidal people can be great craic 🙂
I’m not ragging on paramedics I just want to know why you particularly raved about how you tortured that woman.I don’t care who you are or what job you do if you treat someone like that your no friend in my book.all that woman needed was some care and attention NOT torture YOU put yourself in her shoes and let her do to you what you did to her you make me sick END OF STORY
@molly I don’t think scorpio ‘raved’ about what she had to put that women through. I think there might be a miscommunication due to english not being scorpio’s first language, so her language might seem callous to you. As scorpio said, she can get sued if she doesn’t do her job. If the patient refuses treatment, medical practitioners have a legal obligation to force treatment upon them. They didn’t make the rules, but they gotta play by them to keep their jobs and keep saving the lives of people who actually want to be saved.
@procel I was talking about black_scorpio. She’s joining the Procel fan club! (don’t worry I am there too)
errr… what happened with the last one? Or is it better not to ask?
We were cruel quote unquote in my book sounds like bragging to me I am unchanged in my opinion,I might also mention I’ve had the same done to me and she was cruel too,it didn’t matter I was a rape victim -I was just a pain in the arse I don’t think I’d treat anyone like how she described I am not a fan black scorpio
“we were cruel” doesn’t sound like bragging to me… it sounds like just a statement from a pragmatic person who understands what cruelty is but has no other choice.
I’m sorry for how you were treated molly. That is horrible. But at the same time, I would focus any hate onto the rapist, rather than everyone else who just have to do their jobs. I know a lot of doctors and nurses, and truthfully, you’re right – they HAVE to disengage their emotions to some extent while they work, because if they don’t… well they can’t do their job, they would be an emotional wreck. They don’t have time for tact or sympathy. It seems heartless, sure, but chances are, those same people you talk about, they go home and shut the curtains and cry over every lost patient. They can’t show humanity on the job, they have to wait until they’re off the clock and no one is looking.
How are you anyway?
Not great
@One_Day really? ive a fan club? i dont know wether to be touched that ye care or sorry for ye that yec that bad taste as to think me worthy of a club lol,
Am well it was my fault (according to her) was, imature, childish, pouting, indecisive, inexperienced, there was more but when she told me that was just from one day i got bored of listening… lol
@procel… a little from column A, and a little from column B 🙂 There are worse fan clubs. Like boy band fan clubs… shudder.
Whoah… did she tell you all that on the first date? Ah well, I think you can’t take it too personally, but you should try to objectively see if you can use that feedback in a constructive way to better yourself… do you pout? Can start by trying to smile more?
Haha 🙂 am kept telling me it after the first and after second, it didnt go any further and the reason i was “pouting” was that we bothe went out, bringing a couple of our friends (both had different groups) i focoused on her, leaving my friends basically, she spent more time talking to them than me, which i didnt mind that much. Finally her friends left and she decided i was worth talking to so she decided that we should go to the club upstairs. On the way she met a group of guys she knew, brought us over sat down accross from the guys and spent bout half hour talking with them, ignoring me completely, but i wated untill i got sick of being ignored, met up with my friends and we left, text her later trying to find out what the fuck she wanted, two days later she gets around to replying by picking me apart as best she could, so i appolagised andwe stayed friends? i acted wrong yes?
@procel I know I am only getting one side of the story… but by the sounds of it, you acted right. If it’s a first or second date, it should DEF be one on one… no point going on a date with someone if all your other friends are there, that’s just awkward!!! Everyone watching you! Bound to make you self conscious.
If I were to take a guess at what was going on here, this is my theory: She spent more time talking to her friends EITHER: a) To show off to you about how popular she was, b) To show off to her friends about how she wore the pants in this relationship, c) to try to make you jealous d) all of the above
OR… maybe you did something to piss her off at the start of the night, and all this was revenge.
Anyway, it’s clear there were some pretty serious power/control issues going on, a lot of passive aggressive behaviour, and frankly I wouldn’t put up with that shit. If you asked her what she wanted and she couldn’t give you a clear answer, and responded by pulling you apart, well that’s just juvenile. I wouldn’t put any stock in what she said, she was just being vindictive. Don’t waste your time. I would’ve done the same thing.
Anyway. I hope the next one is nicer. just make sure neither of you brings your friends along on the first date!
PS. It’s good that you apologised so you can stay friends… good to avoid drama, keep your life simple and don’t make enemies… but don’t put too much stock in what she said, she was prob just lashing out in anger.
I know she had issues, something happened to her she wouldnt say what but within the first convo i already figured that much so maby it was her way of protecting herself, besides she didnt really want to do anything one on one, ide suggested it a couple of times and she egnored them. I appolagised cause id promised her friend (verry over protective friends) that i wouldnt hurt her, and i knew if i dint apolagise she wouldnt shut up which would have made changed me from taking the criticism to giving some, which i am rather good at when pissed off, exspecially when i know someone has problems in their past, fuk it, whats done is done, look to the future nd all that bullshit
@Procel good on you. You’re very classy. be the bigger person and walk away. Just don’t take it personally ok? she has issues… not your fault.
Well with people like you to help how can one be anything but 🙂 tho just cause someone has issues dosnt make them wrong
@procel you’re right. It doesn’t make them wrong. But it also doesn’t give them the right to walk all over other people and treat them like shit. By all means, be compassionate and sympathetic. But you need to draw the line when people show a basic lack of respect for you.
Ha and where does one draw the line when they dont respect themselves?
You must have some level of self respect, otherwise you would have just kept taking her shit. But I think a good start is when people start to act like assholes… if they’re rude… I’d draw the line there. Because you don’t need money to buy class, so I just hate it when people behave in unclassy, ungracious manner. Sometimes I am in a shitty mood and so I act like an asshole. I appreciate it when other people catch me out, tell me I’m being an asshole, and stop me from making an even bigger dick of myself!
Anyway, I don’t worry about you. You got a good moral compass. That’s a hell of a lot better start than most people. Night night, bedtime for me.
Thanks one day. Really. And how can u tell ive a good moral compas? Sweet dreams 🙂
@procel no need to thank me. Just speaking the truth.
The way you behaved in the above scenario indicates that generally you’re not a petty, spiteful or vindictive person. This puts you miles ahead of the majority in terms of ethics. The way you responded to people bagging out black scorpio indicates you have objectivity and ability to see both sides of the arguement. This indicates you have empathy. The way you stood up to the majority who were villifying black scorio indicates you have integrity. It takes guts to disagree with the majority. This is courageous and admirable. I’ve seen you say anything mean or out of line on SP, and I have seen you come to other peoples defense if it’s something you feel strongly about. All these things indicate ‘good moral compass’. The only problem I have with you is you always beating yourself up!
Well how does one not thank u when u say such nice things <3
I suppose you ar right tho @Black_Scorpio does deserve some credit in this i mean, i would have backed her if she didnt deserve it so alot of that goodness goes to her being awsome, and i love lively arguments so usually i feel compelled to disagree out of curiosity to see what the other people will come up with to vindicate their point, nd im sure ive insulted someone on here, tho usually in the hope of getting a response that requires them to open up in order to shut me up, which then enables someone else to help once they know the truth, rather effective at times, tho i must say @one_day u make it rather difficult to argue with you, u have annoying habit of being right all the time 🙂 nd everyone needs someone to be an ass to, nd seeing as i rather dont like being an ass to other people for no reason myself shall do lol