It’s really disgusting to hear some successful story of how someone being happy by adopting the manipulation of others.
One instance that, the famous actor Woody Allen broke the trust between being a father and his adopted daughter by engaging in sex, saying that it’s all because of love.
It’s like, while a girl is sad and in need of comfort, by pathetically crying into the arms of a gay flatmate, naked with just a thin bed-lining covered, and afterward boldly announced to others that somehow it was the gay that initiated and
seduced to have sex.
So, wasn’t there a trust already announced solidly at the beginning that there’s a barricade of sex, and how come that has been violated !
As if a girl pestering telling her boyfriend out of the blue worrying of the suspected in-home relationship by saying “C’mon, you should “trust” that my flatmate being gay, and you have to believe and “trust” me in our love-relationship too.”
However just on the other hand to prove herself beautiful enough, smart enough, attractive enough by breaking that so called impossible or exploiting that in-house accessible ?
Or, to put that in terms of father and daughter, is it valid to say that a father who would care enough to embrace the naked daughter, and later to have fallen engaged in sex because irresistibly the father is indeed male, and the daughter also was in need of sex as in love too ?
Or was that being so low-esteem as to not even tried to bother finding righteousness ever anyhow, but to fuck any of its in-house providing ?
So, why are there so many young girls here having trust issues then ?
To glorify of seducing a gay to be straight, or a lesbian to be straight, is just a rape of thought of a blatant fantasizing but if really put to act, it’s just a force-act or a pathetic imploring just out of the greed to manipulate, and further to exploit that basic means of value, the body, by terming it meat !
How twisted or role-playing inside the bedroom, as long as not hurting others, is nobody’s business.
But to glorify happiness from sex pleasures by manipulating others, as if the means to exploit, to manipulate as being upright, is really despising and cruel to present here to the vulnerables especially so many youngs in need of correct guidance from their plight !
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You should follow my story. Mines true incest. I just broke it off with my blood cousin because i had an epiphany over a few hours ago and have had 4 panic attacks thus far
I asked my cousin for sex and she will gladly ive it to me. But i told her i was obsessed with her so i declined today -_-
No kidding, as a victim of exploitation and slavery myself. The most disturbing is it seems most instances of people gaining happiness is from the expense/exploitation/enslavement of others.
Sadomasochism more the sadistic aspect of it is what you are encountering and reflecting on right?
Public humiliation is the word I’m looking for.
@rouge Where is your story posted?
Well idk its spread thinly across my comments and posts. Ive been here cor quite a while since 2008 i presume.
Look for My latest post u commented on and where it says by who it was written by click my name and search for my really pissed post for my epiphany. Anything before that is when i asked my cousin out and stuff. I never went out with her though
Sorry fireflies for going away from your topic, good idea though.
I’m a male attention whore
Hello, I only just saw this. Look, lets cut the passive aggressive bullshit. It’s quite obvious you’re talking about me here (the sex with gay flatmate person, not Woody Allen, I wish!). Your english is crap, so even after a fairly lengthy post, I’m still not sure what you’re trying to say about me. But I’m fairly sure you’re misrepresenting me, and I have a huge problem with that. Don’t talk about me unless you’re gonna get ME right. So let me set things straight (pun intended!)
1. My gay flatmate DID seduce me. I did not seduce him. I’m not stupid, I don’t bark up the wrong trees. I don’t need that kind of rejection. We all went out with a bunch of people, drank a lot, danced a lot, had a great time. Went home, I went to my room, he knocked on my door, I opened it, he threw me onto the bed. I went with it. If you want to call me pathetic because of that, fine, I don’t care. Your lies don’t touch me.
2. I don’t see how any of this is a trust violation. At any time either of us could have stopped this car crash, and we have enough respect for each other that we would. We didn’t because, well we were just having fun. No one took advantage of anyone, it was all just love and fun. And I have no idea what boyfriend you are talking about, neither of us have a boyfriend. This wouldn’t have happened if that were the case.
3. I don’t fuck just any of my flatmates. There are 5 others. One of them does want to fuck me, but I won’t because he has a girlfriend.
4. I’ve been freaked out for this for days, because it does not compute – gay man seducing me. But the fact is, I got nothing to feel guilty about because he initiated everything, so screw you and your judgements and falsehoods. Him and I are still flatmates and good friends, and that’s what we explored that night I guess… friendship takes many forms. Neither of us want a relationship, neither of us were used or led on so I don’t know what ‘exploitation’ you’re talking about.
And lastly, the next time you want to attack me or my integrity, kindly do it to my face and not like a coward behind my back.
@rogue, you ARE an attention whore.
Good for you One_day. If a guy came across a really hot lesbian and seduced her then it wouldnt be so much of a problem. As long as you are ok with it, that’s all that counts. I wish I had a flat mate like you, so if your ever thinking of kicking the gay out… But I have other plans with my life. I’m trying but, it’s impossible.
@duke, it took me a while to be ok with it. I woke up and couldn’t deal with the surrealness of the situation and quietly snuck out of my own bedroom, leaving him there sleeping. I was worried that he would be angry that I left without saying goodbye, but he was fine. The next time I saw him, he walked past my room, winked and said ‘oooohhh, yeah!’ I was well freaked out at first but I’m pretty sure it was mostly the hangover. Now I just think it’s funny. Everyone else in the house thinks it’s hilarious, they are definately milking it.
I don’t really think it’s possible to ‘seduce’ someone who’s not attracted to your gender. Fact is, sexuality isn’t that static, I’ve known people to blurr the boundaries. My friend used to tell me ‘The difference between a gay man and a straight man is about 6 beers.’ Anyway, I certainly was not the seductor here, but even if I did seduce a gay man… I don’t see any moral problem with that. Ultimately it’s his choice, if he didn’t want to he can easily walk away, and at least he has the good excuse of being gay! Rape and sexual coercion is a totally different thing, but flirting or seducing… how is seducing a gay man more ethically problematic than seducing a straight man?
What are your other plans? I think the gay is moving out next year so it can be your B plan. But I don’t give benefits to all my flatmates! This was a one off!
I agree that he wouldn’t have done it if he didn’t want to. Well, I feel like I’m coming to the end of my life and your not even halfway. It’s a shame really. You know the superstars, the people who have everything you see on tv. I was once like that, I looked outstanding and was really bright and carefree. But now I hang around Internet forums about suicide.
@FFL … seriously? I actually had to go back and re-read One_day’s post to see how I could have missed all the accusations you made. You either have a very active imagination or very poor reading comprehension skills. granted, if half of what you alleged was actually written, you’d be spot on … the problem is … about the only thing you got “right’ regarding One_day’s situation was the fact that they lived together and had sex … everything else was a complete fabrication
Very good … if you’re a Hollywood screen writer … but in this context … not only did you miss the bulls eye … you were shooting at the wrong target … on the wrong firing range.
@OneDay – it won’t be the first time two, otherwise platonic adults obliterated the boundaries of their normal relationship … at most you should only need to have a short talk to reestablish the original borders and chalk the incident up as “letting your hair down” and forgetting it happened. as your original post title states “went on a bender” … suggest something totally out of character … sounds like you both needed the stress relief and now everyone goes back to their normal rolls and behaviors with no lingering effects.
Dr. Ruth Dawg
Now that I’m thinking about it, there’s nothing wrong with trying to seduce anyone… isn’t that how most gay people figure out they’re gay in the first place? I asked a lesbian friend once ‘how do you know if they’re gay or not?’ She replied ‘If they’re hot, you just have to assume she is, and try it on’. This is only a moral problem if you can’t respect the boundaries, or if you can’t accept rejection, but… doesn’t everyone have the right to at least try?
@duke, you always talk about how you ‘used’ to have everything. I’ll bet this was never the case, you just thought you did… maybe you’re just a bit lost because you’ve realised that the things that you thought you wanted were not what you really wanted. I’ll bet you’re still the same outstanding carefree person, just a little lost in the muddle. I know what that’s like.
@dawg – thanks, I don’t even think we need to talk about it, we’re just laughing about it. There’s no need to talk about borders or boundaries, he’s GAY! It’s quite obvious this was just a one off. It’s actually quite refreshing, I don’t have the panic that I have with other straight men, that they’re going to fall in love and will want a relationship. What you see here is what you get: and that’s just a weird one nighter between two good friends.
I am attracted to all sorts of girls. There is no real criteria for hotness but I never imagined myself getting married to a girl outside of my own background. I always thought that they would be fearless and loyal because that’s they way it’s always been and I always put others before myself so it’s difficult to see how a problem would occur. I just have really low self-esteem now for reasons that are obvious to me. I don’t talk about everything on here. But sometimes depressed chicks on here put up their photographs and a think they are really attractive and would just give them a hug. I dont know. Imagine that you have an electrical product. It could be 99% perfect. But if one component is missing it would be absolutely useless. Not worth anything.
@One_day … my point exactly … I’ve had “one-offs” with a female friend or two and it was “understood” that when the sun comes up, everything goes back to normal … except for the little sly smile and wink of the unsaid inside “joke” (and I’m not suggesting it actually IS a joke) that all friends have in some capacity.
joker dawg
FYI … for the record I’m …
Straight dawg 😉
… although after 3 failed marriages … maybe I should rethink which side of the fence I’m on 😉
waffle dawg
@duke I agree, there’s no criteria for hotness. And attraction always comes down to personality for me anyway. So I think, if you’re looking for love… surely you have a decent shot at it? You just gotta stop letting your low self esteem cockblock you…
@dawg… 3?!? Definately time to explore other avenues… maybe not rushing into marriage is one of those options! gayness might suit you. Gay marriage is mostly illegal anyway, so that fixes your marriage addiction.
It’s in human nature to look for something better. I suppose if you look at the royal family, they have arranged marriages to preserve their bloodlines and ensure that their future is secure. Even they fail sometimes but are mostly succesful. Whether they are happy is another matter.
@duke I actually disagree it’s human nature to look for something better. I think that is an unnatural phenomenon that has been imposed on us by western industrialised capitalist society. If you look at ancient tribes and cultures, they all seem pretty happy with what they have. So is the problem that you always want what you can’t have?
Yeah yeah … 3 … trust me … no addiction and plenty of lessons learned … FYI, gay marriage will become predominantly legal in USA if Obama gets reelected (which I’m all for) – book it!
no, i don’t think a furry but will ever become appealing to me … although … if he has enough money I might have to reconsider … YIKES! 😀
bought dawg
Love can fade in time, so can looks. But security lasts much longer. If I women is interested in a guy with the former then she has to take a leap of faith. If she is interested in the later then it sort of contradicts the whole principle of marriage.
Actually One_day … I disagree with your disagreement … I think if you were living in ancient cultures you’d find promiscuity more the norm … sex at it’s base is primal and mostly used to strengthen and expand the tribe and to exhibit power and claim “ownership” … that said, I do agree that if the love and bond is true, one has no desire to “go elsewhere” … if they do, it’s because they “settled” for what they could “get” at the time.
learned dawg
As far as ancient tribes are concerned, they are content when that’s all they know and everyone is in the same boat. We were very rich before we came to the UK we never work and some people from my village had astronomical amounts of money in the millions and owned vast amounts of land. To marry outside that was well impossible it never happened in a thousand years.
@dawg, no need to fear a furry but from a gay man… they take more care with hair removal than I do.
We’re talking about two totally different things: I was talking about the general concept of being happy and contented with what you have VS ambition. You are talking about purely sexual promiscuity.
@duke it’s not healthy to stick to the same gene pool though…
fYI – never said anything about “fear” … it’s all about appeal … as it stand … me and my ‘flat mate” might as well already be married … both hetero males, friends for decades – about the only thing we don’t share is intimacy … that said, nothing about males/masculinity has any appeal.
re: gene pool … Duke said “within the tribe/village” … not “within the family” … I’ll concede that some tribes may be all related … but i’d argue that is the exception, not the rule
detail dawg
Obviously it’s not healthy to marry the same people but there are a couple of million of us in the world. We are not allowed to marry people from the same village and you have to check three generations back. Anyway, we are the fairest and best looking so it hasn’t cause a problem. Obviouly we don’t all inherit green eyes and very fair skin but I have to say, I’m naturally drawn to them.
Yeah … what he said! 😛
😀
silly dawg
I think a lot of people end up on this site because of this sort of topic so
I understand why it’s contentious. I’ve got nothing against it because if that’s how someone wants to live there life it’s up to them. I’m probably going to be critisised for saying this but I don’t agree that same sex couples should adopt children because as you can imagine, it would be very nice for them.
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