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Dear God…

by RealTalk30

Thank you for this fucked up spine of mine, as if life isn’t ironic enough. Thank you for the pain and this poor excuse for a body. I appreciate you having my “back” -yes, pun intended- and making sure that I have a strenuous job to fill my time which gives me juuuust enough to survive on. Thanks for not cursing me with some horrible disease where i wouldn’t be able to afford treatment..I won’t piss and mone about that..that’s for sure.

Oh and don’t worry.. I found a wife.. No need to jump in and save my sorry ass anymore. I’m sure you were about to get off your ass and help out anyways..but I got it….thanks! You’ve already done enough for me..truely. Maybe too much.. Less is more, god! Just throwing that out there. Thanks for all the good things like family and loved ones and SP..of course. But really..I’m gonna be alright on my own. But these other people.. Well they can use the help of a miracle worker such as yourself..so go on get to know some of them.. Go on, that a boy.. Good god!

I know some of you would love to turn this into a religious debate…be my guest! 😉

I leave you with these words by Andy Partridge:

“Dear God, sorry to disturb you, but.. I feel I should be heard loud and clear. We all need a big reduction in amount of tears. And all the people that you made in your image, see them fighting in the streets…cause they can’t make opinions meet about God. I can’t believe in you.”


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RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 7:26 pm

God is real, there is proof.. You just have to open your eyes to realize it 🙂

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 7:27 pm


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Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 7:28 pm

Damn, why did it do that twice? Sorry. I’ll write a real response in a minute

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 7:31 pm

It’s ok SB! lol

@rare- you just fueled the Fire for all the atheists! Hehehe.. But I’m not judging! 😉

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 7:36 pm

That was the goal haha but I’m not debating anything. Just trying to spread positivity because I’m usually negative about things.

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 7:40 pm

I’m sorry for your pains, RT, I can’t imagine how hard it must be to live with something like that. It’s admirable that you’ve been able to stick through it and even maintain the positive, funny, amiable attitude you have 🙂

I won’t jump into a religious debate, I don’t have the mental or emotional energy to invest myself into something like that, despite how passionate I am about my opinion.

Although life gives us many different circumstances, they may also be tools that can be utilized. Living under an environment allows for us to adapt to it – to readjust by learning new skills that otherwise would not be needed because of the lack of that scenario. You can’t change a lot of things about life, but everything grants opportunities and they can be used in which can alter your life in ways that hadn’t been possible otherwise. Perspective is everything, and you clearly have a great one which has benefited you. Keep on going, you BAMF

clevername 8/28/2013 - 7:41 pm

Yeah, i’ve already seen the whole “checkmate, atheists!” bit.


If there is a God who would prefer to remain mysteriously hidden, who decides he would prefer i “believe,” then i’m sure he’ll miracle me a religious experience, since he-who-knows-all-things-and-made-all-as-he-intended he can literally do anything he wants to do, being all-powerful and such. And if that doesn’t happen, then i shall assume that either there is no actual god, or that this alleged “God” prefers i remain skeptical. If He wants me to believe, he’ll make me. Otherwise, he doesn’t exist. Or he knows i think that, and doesn’t mind. If he’s okay with it, i’m okay with it. Or, he’s not real, and i’m okay with that too.

If i were to die and find myself “face-to-face” (because let’s face it – pun intended – once i die, i won’t have a “face”), i’ll be like “wtf dude?” And he’ll probably be like “BWAAAAHAHHAHA!! You should have seen your “face!” xD”

Meanwhile, back in reality…

Helovesyou 8/28/2013 - 8:04 pm

hey realtalk bro God is real man. look He doesn’t promise us a PERFECT life but hey man He’ll take care of you. Like im a believer, I believe that Jesus died for my sins because im a sinner and ive asked for forgiveness for my sin and that He is the ONLY way to Heaven. but bro even tho ive done that, that doesn’t mean im going to have a worry free life. now please don’t take offence man im just talking:) but hey bad things have happened in my life and those around me. ive gotten injured multiple times, a few weeks ago I wrecked my car and totaled it (my fault), and many other things dude. But if you trust Jesus Christ as your Savior from hell, then dude romans 8:28 says “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” that’s saying that even tho bad things happen to me, if ive accepted Jesus as my Savior and realized He’s the ONLY to Heaven, and I love God, then He will work even my bad circumstances out for my good. Ok so look I just wrecked my car, it was 96 accord 172,000 (about 172,000) miles on it, ac didn’t work, warped right rotor. Ok so I bought it for 2400 last summer and the wreck was my fault. a few nights after my accident I was praying and said God, I don’t know what to do im broke as it is and I just got in a wreck, please help me with just my money situation. the next day I didn’t even realize till later that day but God provided a job for me where id be making 100-250 (small landscaping job but still im in college and needed it) and then two days later the insurance company called my mom and God allowed my car to be totaled at $3266 and after a deductible $2766. that’s almost $400 dollars more than I paid for the car in the first place. see even tho my what it seemed bad circumstance appeared bad bro, God worked it out for my good. now more things have happened that’s just an example. but before that you have to realize that everyones sinned, everyone romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” then realize that God sent Jesus to pay the punishment of our sin romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” so God loves you so much He sent His only Son to take mine and your punishment which is eternal death in Hell. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” God loves you and does care about you. He wants you to accept Jesus as your Savior so you can go to Heaven one day. bro I know what your going through is probably really hard man. I don’t know first hand but dude God does care and love you. Romans 10:13 says “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” dude, God loves you, call out to God and accept Jesus as your Savior and ask Him to forgive your sins and to save you. if you do that you don’t have to worry about trying to go through those situations, God will take care of you and those situation for you. the question is will you do it? God loves you, take care

lorax 8/28/2013 - 8:04 pm

People in Iceland actually believe trolls and gnomes and fairies exist. Sometimes superstition can be rather endearing, when it’s not all, “You’re going to be tortured eternally by angry red satyrs wielding pointy sticks!” Human beings are imaginative, I’ll give them that.

Helovesyou 8/28/2013 - 8:05 pm

@rarehumanspecies hey bro have you accept Jesus as your Savior?

lorax 8/28/2013 - 8:06 pm

@Helovesyou: I didn’t read all that, but I got as far as, “But if you trust Jesus Christ as your Savior from hell…”

All I have to say is…


clevername 8/28/2013 - 8:08 pm

Oh God… lol.

Helovesyou 8/28/2013 - 8:08 pm

@lorax well bro thast the honest truth im not trying to be mean

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 8:09 pm

Scripture from the Death of God:

‘And all at once, all of man everywhere held out his hand and prayed to god.. “God, I will never ask another favor of you if you just let me get laid one last time”- and so God granted man this final miracle and was no longer needed.
– The End’

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 8:10 pm

@SB lol why did you laugh at him like that

OP: I don’t know what its like to have a painful physical injury that hinders you everyday….it has to be hell….At least you have the ability to deal with it….someone like me who hates pain more than anything else on the fucking planet wouldn’t be able to. I hope one day it just decides to go away and leave you the hell alone …It seems like the saying “bad things happen to good people” holds it weight. I wish people who actually deserved to have injuries to their spine had them….but nope they mostly seek out the people who are actually good.

C4 8/28/2013 - 8:12 pm

Ooohh. XTC, I love that song. According to legend they seldom toured because they didn’t like performing live in front of an audience. They enjoyed writing and recording songs, but the part about performing live – not into it.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 8:16 pm

temptation… so strong… must… resist…

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 8:17 pm

@clevername LOL …..its begging to come out!

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 8:20 pm


The words “There is proof” and the word “God” should never be in the same sentence.

lorax 8/28/2013 - 8:23 pm


Grammar and syntax are the only thing standing between, “Let’s eat grandpa!” and “Let’s eat, grandpa!”

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 8:25 pm

@SB lol you may have just ruined a mans faith….now a holy war will break out on SP….

lorax 8/28/2013 - 8:29 pm

What I want to know… what I really, really want to know… is… if God loves us all so much, then why the Hell does he have to send other people to tell us that all the time, as if he couldn’t do it himself? This is the same God who knocked over Molech’s idol in the tabernacle when it was under siege by heathens, right? All he’s got to do is knock shit over in my room repeatedly for a week and that’s all I’d need. Ya know?

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 8:29 pm


I don’t think it matters though if you say “Let’s eat Jesus!” or “Let’s eat, Jesus!”

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 8:32 pm

@helovesyou- you said “Jesus as your savor” 4 freaking times in one post! lol no that’s not crazy at all!

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 8:32 pm

Yes I have accepted him and I have all the proof I need to believe in him.

lorax 8/28/2013 - 8:32 pm

@SB: haha… well, for some denominations, both are the same thing.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 8:37 pm


“evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.”

a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact
b : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning

: something that induces certainty or establishes validity


1. The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.

a. Convincing or persuasive demonstration: was asked for proof of his identity; an employment history that was proof of her dependability.
b. The state of being convinced or persuaded by consideration of evidence.

4. Determination of the quality of something by testing; trial: put one’s beliefs to the proof.


evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?
the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.
the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.
Law. (in judicial proceedings) evidence having probative weight.

Also of note:


the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.”

clevername 8/28/2013 - 8:43 pm

Oh, i forgot to mention:

Apparently there is a “Catholic Encyclopedia,” and they have their own page-long diatribe… sorry, “elaborate explanation,” of what “proof” means:

“Proof is the establishment of a disputed or controverted matter by lawful means or arguments. Proof is the result of evidence; evidence is the medium of proof. There is no proof without evidence, but there may be evidence without proof. Proof is judicial, if offered in court; otherwise it is extra-judicial. Proof is perfect, or complete, when it produces full conviction, and enables the judge without further investigation to pronounce sentence: imperfect, or incomplete, if it begets probability only. Canonists enumerate six kinds of perfect proof: the unshaken deposition of two witnesses, who are above all suspicion; a public document, or other instrument having the force of a public document, as, for instance, a certified copy of a public instrument; conclusive presumption of law; the decisive oath; judicial confession; evidence or notoriety of the fact. Imperfect or semi-proof is derived from the testimony of one witness only, or of several singular witnesses, or of two witnesses not entirely unshaken in their testimony or not beyond all suspicion; writings or instruments of a private character; a document admitted as authentic only on the strength of the handwriting; the necessary oath; presumption which is only probable, not conclusive; public report when legally proved. Two imperfect proofs cannot constitute perfect proof in criminal cases, in which proof must be clearer than the noonday sun; in matrimonial cases, when there is question of the validity of a marriage already contracted; or in civil actions of a grave character. With these exceptions two incomplete proofs tending to establish the same point may constitute full proof or conviction. Judicial proofs must as a rule be full and conclusive. There are, however, some exceptions. Thus the testimony of but one witness will suffice when it is beneficial to another person and hurts no one. Likewise in summary causes of little moment and not prejudicial to any one, half proof is sufficient; also when the judge is commissioned to proceed, having merely examined into the truth of the fact (sola facti veritate inspecta).”

– “newadvent” dot org.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 8:51 pm

But, as any theist will tell you, “it’s not about ‘proof,’ it’s about faith!”



complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.



an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.

I rest my case.

C4 8/28/2013 - 8:55 pm

Hitler claimed that God was on his side. Adolph is a well known historical character, its not as if he could be mistaken or malevolent.
God knows everything, even before it happens. God intentionally creates humans who don’t believe in Him so that he can torture them for eternity. He does this because he’s full of love and wants nothing but the best for his children.
People need God. How else can they explain being born against their will into a world that has no rhyme or reason? “Its all Gods will”. The invisible, mysterious cloud hopping wizard has a plan that none of you can see.
Heathens. You probably don’t belive in the tooth fairy, either.

lorax 8/28/2013 - 8:56 pm

I have faith that my car will start when I turn the key, but that faith is hinged on a whole shitload of other inputs like the gas level, the fluid levels, the oil quality, whether or not the car is a car and not a large cardboard box that has a picture of a car’s outline drawn on it using black crayon, etc…

With religious faith, well… it’s a whole different ballpark.

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 9:00 pm

Let me also point out that ‘God’ is not a theory. A theory is distinguished by evidence, which can be empirical and/or with hypothetical evidence, both of which have strong reasoning behind them. ‘God’ lacks a structural claim as well as evidence to suggest it, which makes it undebatable regardless of faith.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 9:02 pm


So what you’re really saying, is that your faith in your car’s ability to start upon turning the key, is actually dependent upon numerous observable conditions and measurable parameters? I don’t think that counts as faith.

I mean… you /know/ your car is actually a car, you can prove this, and you can observe, in reality, whether or not all of the necessary conditions to enable it to start, are aligned. It’s not actually faith. Your faith, in this case, is in the expectation that the parts and substances will not suddenly and inexplicably cease to function as expected, due to your understanding of the consistency of how materials and energy interact in the environment in which your car operates.

You can test all of those things, and verify your expectations to be reasonably justified. If something causes it to not start, you know there is either a breakdown in the cohesion of its various parts, or… the laws of physics have suddenly changed. It’s almost always the former.

Amakua2309 8/28/2013 - 9:10 pm

Why does this debate always only have two sides? Is there room for a third do you think? What if neither side is right? I’m pretty sure I have the answer to the God question or debate…and I can prove it as well. Anyone interested? It kinda takes a little from both so to speak and proves both wrong. Ah well.

God knows I try. lmfao

lorax 8/28/2013 - 9:12 pm

It does count as faith because if my car won’t start when I turn the key, I understand that there’s probably something wrong under the hood – but when it does start, I don’t think about any of those things that might possibly have gone wrong. It’s as if the car started by magic, and I go about my business doing whatever it was I set out to do. When the car won’t start, I sometimes don’t expect it because the problem is something I overlooked or took for granted. Also, I’m not a mechanic, so to explain an internal combustion engine would be impossible for me, thus there are any number of things I don’t even know about which might go wrong with my car that I probably wouldn’t anticipate or be able to fix. It’s like when my computer breaks, or the LCD monitor stops working properly – is it hardware or software? Everything is so fucking complex, that living without faith in these technological doodads is impossible, even for someone like me who’s studied computer systems all his life.

For all intents and purposes, for a large majority of human beings, technology is a great illustration for what faith is – and it really is ignorance, but it’s sometimes unavoidable ignorance. When the fridge breaks, if you don’t have the time, money or knowledge to fix it, you might as well assume the fridge spirits got angry because you weren’t praying hard enough to them.

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 9:15 pm

Maybe God is in a quantum superposition where he is both existing and not existing at the same time.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 9:22 pm

I am the third opinion.. It’s more of a silent debate! lol

Amakua2309 8/28/2013 - 9:23 pm


Message received loud and clear. Over and out.


clevername 8/28/2013 - 9:27 pm


I seriously doubt you can make a successfully overlapping argument, proving both wrong, while taking parts of each. God either exists, or it doesn’t. Either religions are correct, or they are not. Feel free to attempt, if you are so inclined.


So, what you’re saying is: it counts as “faith,” because you don’t have an adequate understanding of its functions, despite the knowledge being available to learn.


Well, if god is literally omnipotent, then perhaps he has managed to both exist, and not exist, simultaneously. Since “God” lacks any discernible definition or limitations, you could say that “God” is literally able to do or be anything…

But can you prove it? Can you produce any evidence?

Should anyone believe anything that is not supported by evidence that can be discerned in observable reality? I would say “No,” but with one special exception: sometimes people need a special thing to believe, to have a reason to keep going. So, why not put that thing in the realm of what cannot be disproved, which could literally be anything you can imagine it to be? In fact, that’s almost exactly what happened. And this particular alleged entity, supposedly exists outside of “human” reasoning or logic.

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 9:33 pm


You do not understand that you don’t need proof – you need Jesus. And that is all.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 9:33 pm

I just wanted to take a moment to thank those of you who had some positive words for me, and thanks to everyone who’s giving their opinion. I appreciate every word.

This post was inspired by my drive home. Driving is always the hardest on my spine because I can’t support my upper body properly. The pain is intense sometimes like today, and there was a huge traffic jam all the way home after work. And when I got to the point where I should have seen the source of the traffic jam, it was just..nothing! There was no reason for all the traffic, but it was backed up for almost 100 miles. I was so pissed!! And in a hysterical (pain driven) frustration I said.. “Thank you God, thanks for fucking NOTHING!! AHHHHH!!!”

And that’s my story…thanks!! 😁

lorax 8/28/2013 - 9:36 pm

@clevername: Isn’t that basically what all superstition boils down to? That if you flip a switch, something will happen? If you have faith in some magic bronze serpent, your boils will heal? Both very frequently imply a lack of knowledge about the underlying processes involved. One might work, the other probably won’t, but in essence, they have the same mental process behind them.

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 9:36 pm

No problem bro, spread the positivity! Though, this debate was rather pointless haha

lorax 8/28/2013 - 9:38 pm

Also, it’s impossible to have a perfect knowledge about anything, no matter how much time and effort you put into learning it. This is a frequent mistake Christians make in their theology – that you must have your faith 100% correct in order to get to Heaven. Perfect knowledge is impossible because humans have a very limited ability to know real things about real systems. Just look at the economy if you have any doubts.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 9:48 pm


Dude… traffic… No.
I totally sympathize.


Well, then, if what i need is a dead man whose body has long since disintegrated, then i guess i’m boned.


Perhaps it begins as superstition, and expectation of a result, due to observing the result connected to the action (flipping a switch), but the knowledge exists to explain why things work. I chose to attempt to understand why things work, rather than simply take them for granted.

Any electrical device can spontaneously fail, at pretty much any time, at various points of potential failure. That doesn’t mean thinking “it’s magic,” is the same thing as realizing that things we build can and do also break. I mean, i’m not a programmer or electrical engineer, but i have a rough understanding of why my electrical devices work when i turn them on, as well as the awareness that they might just not turn on one day. I won’t blame god or spirits, when this occurs, because i have an adequate understanding of how reality works, even without “perfect knowledge” being necessary.

So, either i’m some sort of genius, or you’re probably underestimating the human ability to know real things about real systems, based on a majority of willfully ignorant masses, who simply ignore their ability to acquire knowledge, and then blame everything on gods and spirits, or attribute all benefits to the same.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 9:52 pm

It’s not a debate if there is only one side commenting! lol I didn’t see too many backing up the theists! 😉

What do I believe?

I believe in anything I want! I can believe in god when I want and how I want..or in the next moment.. I can believe I am the omnipotent one in my life. I can believe in faith or I can just accept the facts I see. No one is wrong.. Or maybe..you’re all wrong? It doesn’t matter.
It’s humans we have to deal with in our day to day, it’s ourselves. And it’s ourselves as the human race we must have faith in to get by day to day.

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 9:56 pm

Some of these comments are very funny…that is all

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 9:56 pm

@clevername- well if I’m going to be in pain for hours I want there to be a good reason. I was literally “praying” for a big rig on its side or a fatal crash, or an airplane crash on the freeway (airport near by). It’s that bad. The pain effects more than just my spine, it effects my legs and hips and tail bone all the way up to my arms and neck

numb_x 8/28/2013 - 10:00 pm

I’m neither a theist nor an atheist. The labels seem to me to be beside the point. If “God” is no more than a word that is equivalent to “the universe” or “the sum of all existence” or “all that is seen (like planets, stars, rocks, and walking bacteria) and unseen (like gravity, magnetism, string theory or the fabric of space-time)”, then what exactly is anyone believing or disbelieving?

Does anyone really know wtf anyone else means when they use the word “God”, much less “prove” that existence exists? The whole argument seems something like masturbation, except that after I masturbate, I have something to show for it, whereas after these God debates there doesn’t seem to be anything new produced.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 10:00 pm


I know man. Especially when you have an easily agitated spine/nerve condition, it’s crucial that your suffering is minimized to only the most worthwhile and inevitable causes. Seeing a traffic jam for /no reason/ would have been infuriating for me as well… especially since i can both identify with the nerve/spine thing, and also because i’m a bit of a stickler for road-rules.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 10:03 pm


theists argue that God is an entity that is both conscious and has intentionally created everything we can perceive. This is obviously an outrageous claim that bears supporting evidence to justify believing. But, as the burden of proof rests upon the claimant, and the claimant never brings any evidence, but instead, bases their entire premise on “faith,” there is, hence, never any evidence or proof produced.

lorax 8/28/2013 - 10:03 pm

@clevername: I’m pointing out that it’s the same process – modern man is steeped in superstition due to the division of labor. It implies specialization of knowledge, which prohibits exploration into the depths of other fields, and reliance on other specialists who do understand those things. We’re superstitious creatures because that’s how we’ve evolved, even if we call superstition something other than what it is. And nobody has a reasonable idea about how reality in general works, even if they believe they do. We have a bunch of extrapolations that we can test to give us a good idea about how aspects of reality work, but those good ideas are still just ideas. Reality is what’s in front of you, not what’s in your head. Until someone comes up with a universal model that explains everything and integrates all of our various conceptual pictures of the world in a uniform way, we’re still just a bunch of silly apes hurling poo at one another because one of us believes in the tooth fairy, while the other believes in three horned aardvarks. Personally, I doubt that day will ever come. For every question we answer about the universe, ten more crop up.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 10:04 pm

Every slow driver holding me back is another finger in the air!!! ….lol

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 10:09 pm


God is on a completely different field than the universe. The universe is a tangible, real thing that is observable. ‘God’ is a supposed omnipotent being that has created us all and watches everything we do.

What exactly is anyone believing or disbelieving? People are believing that there is a magical man in the sky that will send them to a fiery hole in the ground if they misbehave or he’ll grant them a space in a fantastical utopia.

HAhaha, gravity and magnetism is observable and proven to be real. it affects us everyday. String theory is based on mathematics which all add up beautifully to support the theory that there are tiny, oscillating strings inside each subatomic particle which essentially defines its identity. that has nothing to do with God or the supernatural.

When people say ‘God’ they mean an all knowing, all powerful deity which has ‘magical powers’. That obviously does not exist.

Your argument is also like masturbation because it cums to no logical conclusion.

But nice George Carlin reference 😉

Debates educated people, even if people dont’ agree with the argument, it educates them in that that type of illogical thinking isn’t condoned in the scientific, modern world.

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 10:13 pm

@numb_x Yes, nobody knows anything for a 100% fact so this “debate” is going nowhere.

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 10:15 pm


Yes I do. I know 100% for a fact that 1 + 1 = 2. You know why. Logic. Something your argument lacks.

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 10:16 pm

@SB lol that was a cheap shot you know what he meant

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 10:19 pm

Doesn’t it just drive you crazy when a rabbi or priest (“god forbid” both *ba dum tss*) is also a science professor? lol

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 10:21 pm

What do the theists think about other religions?

Anyone want to comment? Any theists out there?

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 10:23 pm

@ RT30 no not necessarily because they aren’t arrogant enough to believe that they know 100% what is the truth….its one thing to have beliefs but its another to claim those beliefs are 100% right over anything and everything else…. I’d actually prefer a rabbi or priest be a science professor because they wont be hell bent on proving a particular set of beliefs.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 10:24 pm

@SB & RHS- if we put both your avatars together it would make one big bad ass mother ship!

Food for thought!

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 10:26 pm

@ every religion believes it is the right one…..ask the Jewish are Christians idiots they will say yes…..ask Christians are Muslims idiots they will say yes…..ask Muslims are Jews idiots they will say yes…..its just a cycle….every religion thinks theirs is the superior one

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 10:28 pm

@Pain- I was just speaking ironically! lol but your totally right. I like to listen to the theories of those professors on the ancient aliens series! 🙂 good shit!

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 10:30 pm

@SB So much ignorance. Just stop. But @RealTalk I’m not Atheist, but I’m not “Theist” either. I don’t have a religion, I feel I don’t need one to believe in something. I believe in God, period.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 10:30 pm


Ah, but isn’t the number ‘1’ just a faith-based false-construct? (lol)

How can you prove that numbers exist?

And don’t give me that “because we can test them” cop-out excuse. Math is the same thing as flinging poo at each other, because it’s impossible for anyone to know anything. Knowledge doesn’t exist. This comment is a figment of your imagination.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 10:37 pm

Did I just dream all this up? 😳 Damn I’m good!!

lorax 8/28/2013 - 10:42 pm

I always thought people understood that ideas and concepts don’t exist in the real world. Apples don’t count themselves, but we sometimes count apples. I absolutely love learning, but I can recognize my own limitations when it comes to knowing anything with absolute certainty – I don’t profess to have that capacity, and I don’t think anyone can. Yet, Christians seem awful certain of their faith. It’s perplexing why they get so defensive when they’re challenged by someone who believes something different from them. Yet, even more perplexing, is when atheists do exactly the same thing and don’t even notice the overlap.

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 10:44 pm

Couldn’t agree more. This could be the perfect ending to this thread lol

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 10:44 pm

@RHS …..if you believe in god then by default you are a theist…..if you don’t you are an atheist …. …I guess I would be considered agnostic ….

clevername 8/28/2013 - 10:46 pm

Everyone who reads it, participated in dreaming it up, because we’re all creating our own worlds, while none of us actually exist. Also, because none of this actually exists, because knowledge is impossible, unless we know 100% of everything. If we know everything, then knowledge exists… but not before. Until then, we’re basically all hypothetical assumptions hallucinating our own imagined existences, as some sort of divine, cosmic, quantum mystical fantasy that will never exist until everything becomes fully aware. Consciousness cannot exist, because knowledge can’t exist. Therefore, every reader who doesn’t exist, except in their own minds, contributed to the simultaneous creation of this comment, without being aware they were doing so… or something.

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 10:47 pm

@PainNlife Well, I guess i’m a Theist then! :]

C4 8/28/2013 - 10:52 pm

Pizza Hut online ordering site? Excellent.
Hi. I’d like a deep dish medium Hawaiian. (Pineapple & Ham).
This internet really is useful.
Thanks Pizza Hut.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 10:54 pm

Wrong Clever.. This all does exist because our collective consciousness identifies it as so. And each individual conciousness validating or contesting each individual consciousness. It’s all the proof you need! 😛

clevername 8/28/2013 - 10:54 pm

I’m atheist because there is no evidence to support the claim of the existence of any god.

Other people are religious, despite the lack of evidence to support the claim of the existence of any god.

Some people don’t care what knowledge of reality is, while others deny that knowledge can even exist.

I can’t find an acceptable way to communicate with anyone who rejects the premise that reality can be somewhat accurately observed and understood. As it turns out, that’s a whole lot of people, with whom i cannot communicate. This is evidence of the relevance of “group identity.”

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 10:56 pm


Ignorant? Hahaha, to what? You do know that ignorance means: lacking knowledge or awareness. Knowledge meaning: facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject. Facts meaning: a thing that is indisputably the case. Something true. God = not true based on lack evidence and or sensible reasoning or rationality. Oh right, the Bible isn’t a dictionary, sorry

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 10:56 pm

Pizza is for sissies, try a salad 🙂

lorax 8/28/2013 - 10:56 pm

Ad-hominems and straw-men are actually indicative of an insecurity in one’s position. I can’t get defensive, because I honestly just don’t care all that much, and I have no claim to be certain of anything (which is the entire point of the scientific method, if you understand why it’s necessary).

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 10:58 pm

@SB God is real, I have proof. :] haha

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 11:00 pm


Please do inform me what your evidence is.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 11:03 pm

He’s got you there SB! lol

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 11:05 pm

Oh no, my whole argument is foiled, I concede, alas, I must go burn a sheep to repent my sins.

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 11:05 pm

@SB “Yes I do. I know 100% for a fact that 1 + 1 = 2. You know why. Logic. Something your argument lacks.” Since you wanted to be a smart butt, and attack me for no reason, I won’t be informing you, sorry.

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 11:05 pm

@RHS when you say things like that it undermines the belief you have….you don’t have 100% proof….which would mean he isn’t real based on your statement…..it’s like me saying I believe in santa….thats fine with others until I start claiming to have proof which defeats my belief because in reality I have no proof……nobody can prove anything 100% with evidence about how we got here….its a never ending boxing match in which the rounds are infinite until the world ends and either it just ends or god shows his face

C4 8/28/2013 - 11:06 pm

Salad? That’s what my meals eat before I eat them.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 11:06 pm

That’s a good girl! lol 😉 and slaughter a couple baby lambs while your at it!

ifoundmeandyou 8/28/2013 - 11:07 pm

God, or whatever it is; whatever it is that makes you talk and argue about it; is in us all. It’s not all for nothing, it’s all for something.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 11:08 pm

The comments are popping up in 2’s and 3’s! lol

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 11:09 pm

@Pain I was joking, obviously haha. I was “trolling” I guess.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 11:11 pm

Ehh.. Idk.. The debate looks like it’s starting to wind down a bit with the theists gaining some speed and numbers! hehe 😉

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 11:12 pm

I don’t understand trolling. Do you find enjoyment in looking like an idiot? You should be a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, you’d love it

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 11:14 pm

You get to look like an idiot while also advocating for idiotic beliefs 🙂 2 Birds with one stone

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 11:14 pm

@RealTalk Dude, I think I’m the only Theist on this post lol

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 11:14 pm

@RealTalk Dude, I think I’m the only Theist on this post lol

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 11:15 pm

@C4- everything you say is pure gold! lol you’re too funny!! I just wish I knew more about you, but in the end that’s my fault I guess! hehe.. You are very interesting.. The word “androgeny” pops into mind mostly!

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 11:16 pm

Sorry double post, double click. @SB I have no life, I like trolling. I’m suicidal, who cares dude. I’m theist, get over it.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 11:18 pm


100% certain knowledge cannot exist


anything less than “100% knowledge” is automatically classified as “belief”


that paints “attempted maximally accurate perception of reality” as equivalent to “believing whatever i want, even if it’s obviously not true.”

How can i communicate with someone who thinks those are the same, or even remotely similar?

I can’t figure it out.

What do you say to someone who thinks 1 + 1 = Jesus? Or 1 + 1 = cats?

I don’t understand.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 11:18 pm

@RHS- I know.. I’m a sarcastic dildo sometimes! 😉

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 11:19 pm


What ever makes you proud. Have fun living as a delusional moron. May God bless you with some sensibility one day.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 11:20 pm

@Clever- LOL

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 11:22 pm

Idk how you people got so snippy at each other! lol I could have sworn this post started out with both sides saying “I don’t give a shit”? hehe

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 11:22 pm

If atheist V theist were a court case and each side had to present rock solid verifiable evidence to prove their case….both would be thrown out

joe 8/28/2013 - 11:23 pm

Reading or leeds..

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 11:24 pm

@clever…..well…….technically……1 cat + 1 cat does equal more cats……and 1 god + 1 mary equals Jesus……lol

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 11:25 pm

@RealTalk30 ~~> Stendarr’s ***** is the only “snippy” ***** here, being mean for no reason. 🙂

lorax 8/28/2013 - 11:26 pm

@clevername: there you are with the ad-homs and strawmen again. If you can understand my words, we can communicate. If not, then it’s a shame we’re having such a bizarre misunderstanding. After all, we’re both using language as a medium of exchange, and words have meaning in reality, do they not? Otherwise why would I use them? I don’t believe the word apple is actually an apple, though. That’s pretty much all I’m saying. Belief is conceptual, as is knowledge, but imaginative stuff isn’t necessarily bad just because it’s not real, or there would be no sense in watching television, or arguing on a suicide forum about stuff that really doesn’t matter in the larger scale of things. I’ve never understood why it’s necessary to defend religion, or the lack thereof, and both for the same reason – it’s absurd no matter how you look at it. If God exists, great! If not, great! I don’t want to murder someone for something as trivial as what they do on Sunday, and I’d prefer not to hate them because of their choice of reading material. After all, enough wars and ethnic conflict have been waged over stupider things than what we’re arguing over right now.

C4 8/28/2013 - 11:28 pm

I wish that somebody would put up a post offering free pizza, beer and loose women delivered to our door. That would be way better than the God Debate.
I’m going to pray for that.
Let’s see how this goes.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 11:28 pm

Lacking belief does not require proof or evidence to be a valid stance, when the claim it opposes, has never been legitimately substantiated.

The only side making a claim, is Theism. I hope they bring some supporting evidence to court! Otherwise, all the defense would have to say is: “your honor, the plaintiff refuses, or is unable, to produce any valid evidence to support their claims. Therefore, we find their claims to be unfounded, and invalid, until a time when they are willing or able to produce anything that can be construed as valid evidence in support of their claims.”

Now, the “anti-theism” V “theism” case might get interesting, because anti-T’s would have to show evidence of detriment reasonably attributed to the systems of belief. That’s one i’d like to see play out.

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 11:30 pm

@C4 I said at the very beginning that this religious debate was pointless and leading no where. You eat pizza, I’ll eat a salad, we’ll both be watching women stripping.

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 11:32 pm


I wouldn’t normally insult people when I argue, religion just really pisses me off. It stunts human progress as a species. Not to mention the religions mainly believed in the US are directly oppressing me along with many, many others, it is actually killing and torturing people while simultaneously destroying things through the actions of these brainwashed cult followers. Just the fact that you believe in the supernatural hinders human progress. Humans cannot progress as a species while there are still morons who believe dumb shit like the idea that there’s an invisible man in the sky that has created everything and everyone yet does not create proof of his existence.

clevername 8/28/2013 - 11:34 pm


i’m not sure why you started accusing me of ad-homs and asserting that knowledge cannot exist, therefore equating “reasonably justifiable” tentative conclusions as “the same thing as religion.” It’s not the same, and to express it the way you did, was the original ad-hom.

To say that i struggle to communicate with a person whose mind operates on an incompatible set of assumptions, is not an attack. It’s just the truth.

I could just as easily claim that you are raising straw-men, by making such an absurd comparison as to claim that a reality-based approach to understanding the world, is “the same thing as theists,” when it is very obviously not the same thing.

One of those posts was just some counter-absurdisms i raised, because it seemed like making absurd claims were being labeled as the same thing as careful and reasonable observation. I’m not sure why that was perceived as offensive. If it’s all just belief anyway, then it doesn’t matter to you.

But, being unable to communicate with people who insist on labeling my best-attempt at a reasonable perspective as “the same as religion,” is just the truth. I don’t know how to get past that. It seems there is an intent to misunderstand, or misrepresent whatever it is i try to say, so i might as well just be absurd, and then clarify myself by saying “i can’t communicate with someone who thinks [x].”

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 11:36 pm

@SB See, now why couldn’t you just say that the first time, instead of the mean stuff. But, I see why you feel that way. I just feel that, IN MY OPINION, it’s boring to just not believe in anything. I like believing in super natural stuff, I’m offing myself soon anyways. So I’ll be out of your hair in no time.

TheGoodGirl 8/28/2013 - 11:38 pm


Hello my lovely creations. I just wanted to pop in and prove to you all that I do, in fact, exist. I would love nothing more than to take all your questions and comments, however, I’ve got some shit to do. Pardon my colorful language. Even the almighty has to let off some steam. Anyway, can’t be every where at once you know… gotta jet…

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 11:39 pm

@TheGoodGirl sounds like something they would make God say on Family Guy.

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 11:40 pm

TheGoodGirl! It’s been so long, how and where have you been??

lorax 8/28/2013 - 11:41 pm

@SB: what is human progress? Even without religion, there’d still be people fighting, arguing, and doing otherwise human things, like advocating ethnic cleansing or trying to control other people. What anyone thinks the point of anything is, is immaterial next to the reality that people think things should be done their way and not someone else’s way. It’d be absolutely fantastic if we could all stop demonizing each other for once in the history of our sordid little species and try to overcome, or otherwise minimize the impact of our differences, regardless of what those differences entail. Then maybe we could make some human progress. Instead, we kill god, and dance around his corpse like rambling idiots at a sabbath festival, while ridiculing the people who think god is still alive.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 11:43 pm

I’m sure if there is a god and you believe in that god.. That god will set your purpose for you. By the rule that god creates all things. …or you can find your own purpose and skip all the bullshit of wanting to off yourself. Find your own purpose in life RHS

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 11:43 pm

The only thing either side can do is point out inaccuracies in the other….an atheist can’t provide proof that god doesn’t exist and he can’t prove the world was created by the BBT…..just like a religious person cannot prove god exists and that he created it…..all they can do is point out things that the other side is incapable of proving…and the atheist are also making a claim….both sides are….if you claim god doesn’t that in itself is a claim which cannot be totally proven with 100% evidence despite logic and rationality….its like a serial killer being taken to court for a murder that the police have no solid proof on…. all speculation and logic tells you this man is guilty but without the proof to prove it then its probable he will walk…..nobody can prove anything I said this before and this thread is just more evidence on why I believe that….. Everything concerning creation is purely speculation

RareHumanSpecies 8/28/2013 - 11:47 pm

@RealTalk30 I have no purpose, sorry. No reasoning with a suicidal teen.

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 11:48 pm


Human progress is scientific and social advancements. Without religion gay marriage would be legal, abortions would be legal, stem cell research would be encouraged. There wouldn’t be as many gay hate crimes, honor killings, terrorism in the name of God, violence in the name of God, no hatred between people of different religions (tolerance) With all these in place the human race would be much better off. Believing in the illogical leads to the encouragement of illogical thinking. If people believe in something as unreasonable as magic, then people will believe in other ridiculous things, like the notion that because we cannot answer something, it must be ‘God’s work’ and keep us from making new discovers because we accept and condone our ignorance. Religion is a primitive doctrine and should be eradicated.

RealTalk30 8/28/2013 - 11:49 pm

Well perhaps you will find your own way by chance

TheGoodGirl 8/28/2013 - 11:49 pm

@RHS – It does indeed. haha.

@Stendarr’s ***** – forgive me, but, who are you? haha, Stendarr’s ***** does not ring a bell to me. 😉

joe 8/28/2013 - 11:50 pm

Dear GOD

lorax 8/28/2013 - 11:50 pm

@clevername: Knowledge exists. Reality also exists. We try to adjust our knowledge as best we can to reflect the reality we’re observing. Our knowledge is not reality, but it is an approximation of reality that is prone to any number of perceptual failures or mistakes. We weed those perceptual failures and mistakes out using the scientific method due to the fact that humans have a limited capacity to know anything with certainty – so we construct things outside ourselves which have more precision than what might exist within one’s head alone. We write things down, fact check, pass it off to someone else to fact check in case one person made an error somewhere or overlooked something, and so on and so forth. Am I making myself clear? The way people relate to one another is what is similar, not the process involved in understanding. All of the problems with theism are present in atheists because we all came from the same evolutionary tree. Everyone can be, and often is, mistaken for an astronomical amount of reasons, but most people will defend to the death whatever it is they value and define themselves by.

Persephone 8/28/2013 - 11:52 pm

Lol. I leave for a day and you’re all discussing the same thing. Props, people. I’ll be off to swim in the lagoon with my mermaids and dance under the stars with the fairies. Or you could call it ‘taking shrooms.’ But I guess that would, you know, depend on your ‘beliefs.’

C4 8/28/2013 - 11:54 pm

God is a woman?!?
Aww shit, this all makes sense now.
No wonder everything’s all f*#ked up.
Killing myself doesn’t seem so irrational now.

Stendarr's ***** 8/28/2013 - 11:54 pm


I’m the real Slim Shady 😉 Ha, nah, I went by another name, but I doubt it’d ring a bell to you either. I used to read all your posts all the time, they’re so well written. It’s been months, what, since January? It’s good to hear from you 🙂 We should catch up

PainNlife 8/28/2013 - 11:55 pm

@Persephone its RT30s fault …..he baited the debate he knew the opposing sides wouldn’t be able to resist…….its like inviting the ku klux klan and the black panthers to a party and expecting everybody to get along lol

lorax 8/28/2013 - 11:58 pm

@SB: religion is a product of the evolving human mind in the same way that fantasy novels are, or politics, or psychology, or dreams. I have some doubts about the value of technological progress, but they largely revolve around capitalism and how exponentially destructive the human race gets over time. It’s as if the more progress we make, the more deadly the application of that progress becomes. This might be due to religion in some ways, but I’m not sure that religious people even believe their own dogmas – I think it’s a cultural thing that humans do to differentiate themselves from others, and not much more than that.

clevername 8/29/2013 - 12:02 am


Everything was good until:

“All of the problems with theism are present in atheists because we all came from the same evolutionary tree.”

No. “ALL” of the problems with theism, are NOT present in atheists. And any that are, are not necessarily because we came from the same ancestral origin.

You have to understand that. There is a critical difference between the two approaches. If your mind understands them as both having the same problems, then you have completely missed the point of why the groups disagree (as most theists do, whether you are or not).

Like i said before: i don’t know how to explain that particularly critical difference. And here’s where i’ll submit to a Theism similarity: despite the fact that i seem unable to explain this difference to you, or anyone else who doesn’t want to perceive it, i can assure you that it does, in fact, exist.

Note that i’m not making outrageous claims of magic and miracles and supernature.

I’m simply saying that there is a difference of perception, and an important, critical distinction to make, about a realistic method of approaching attempting to understand reality, that either, i do not command my language well enough to explain, or others do not interpret my language, well enough to understand.

TheGoodGirl 8/29/2013 - 12:04 am

@SB – Slim Shady, haha. Hm. No, I think I remember every person I’ve ever encountered here, to be honest. Please tell me what your other name was it’s driving me nuts! You think my posts are well written? Why thank you. By the way, to answer your other questions, I’ve been right here pretty much. As for how I’ve been… not so good. How are you?

@lucy4 – Careful what you say, puny earth man, I will put you in the lake of fire for all eternity. 😀

RealTalk30 8/29/2013 - 12:04 am

@Pain- dont blame me buddy! 😉 I was just posting about how my back hurt! hehe jk

Madio 8/29/2013 - 12:22 am

talking to god and arguing about god makes me chuckle inside. Who are you talking to? YOURSELF..thats who. Open up to everything around you..YOU are god. you are suffering and love. Embrace that everything around you is made out of the same stuff your made out of. Whatever your situation is talking to god is like saying that something OUT THERE is real.. but where is it? haahhaha fucking ignorant fucks. Talk to your ghosts why dont ya

RealTalk30 8/29/2013 - 12:26 am

Of course we can get into the debate of ghosts as well… Why not!?

lorax 8/29/2013 - 12:33 am

As I said before, I just don’t care enough about this subject – what interests me more is how people act, not what they believe. It’s this differentiation of ideology that I think is completely absurd. The outlook is different, but the tendency to beat each other over the heads with that difference is not.

C4 8/29/2013 - 12:33 am

@ TheGoodGirl; Please excuse my insolence, it wasn’t me, it was the pizza that you graciously provided that was doing the talking there. I never could have guessed that God is a woman.
We should go shopping together sometime. Maybe we could watch “America’s Next Top Supermodel” and make snide comments about the contestants.
I can re calibrate my approach for a female Gawd.

Dawg 8/29/2013 - 12:38 am

I smell sexiness …

Oh Hi GG 😀

Sniffer dawg

RealTalk30 8/29/2013 - 12:51 am

Good night to all.. It’s been a pleasure.

May you find God…before he finds you! Sniper style!!

*ninja vanish*

TheGoodGirl 8/29/2013 - 12:51 am

@C4 – Blame it on the pizza, figures. Typical dood. What makes you think that just because I’m a woman I want to go shopping and watch Top Model and make mean nasty comments because I’m incredibly jealous and insecure?!
J/K I’d totally LOVE to go shopping with you!!! hehe. Just give me all your pizza and all is forgiven!

Hi Dawg! 😀 You flatter me. How’s the good ol’ dawg doing?

@Madio – so basically I was right. Woo!

TheGoodGirl 8/29/2013 - 12:52 am

God night RealTalk. Sweet dreams of heaven.

TheGoodGirl 8/29/2013 - 12:52 am

Oops typo *Good* heh

Dawg 8/29/2013 - 1:00 am

You know me GG – ups and downs – but i remain steadfast and godless ,,, but overall – everything is generally static – no appreciable change one way or the other … how goes things with you? Did you marry a rich guy and get out of that little ‘burg you were complaining about?

I don’t interact here as much as i use to but i’m still lurking around 🙂

occasional dawg

TheGoodGirl 8/29/2013 - 1:13 am

I’m sorry to hear that everything has been pretty static for you. To be honest, it has been the same way for me too, dawg. Ups and downs (mostly downs, though) with no change to speak of. Sigh. Did I marry a rich guy and get out of the little ‘burg I was complaining about? Lol – I wish! Know of any sites I can join? Like, love4golddiggers . com or something? haha. Nah, I’m too principled to marry for money. Unfortunately. 😉

It’s nice to “see” you again dawg. 🙂

Btw, do you know who Stendarr’s ***** is? They disappeared and I can’t figure out who it is. :[

TheGoodGirl 8/29/2013 - 2:12 am

Never mind that last bit. I figured who SB is using my excellent sleuthing skills. 😉

SB of course I remember you! And now I feel mildly embarrassed that it took me these past couple of hours to figure it out. Slinking back into my cave now…

It was nice to hear from you too, by the way. As well, it’s good to see that you’re still around. 🙂 I hope we can talk again.

G’night SP. Sorry for hijacking your thread RealTalk… you seem like a cool d00d. I’m very sorry you’re in pain.

lorax 8/29/2013 - 2:19 am

I think I prefer it when you guys are hijacking threads rather than when you’re not hijacking threads, if only for the lack of people fighting over weird stuff that doesn’t really matter. O.o I need to stop getting involved in those, if only for the sake of avoiding migraines later on.

clevername 8/29/2013 - 2:32 am


I wonder if you realize just how well you illustrated the point of contention that makes me feel like giving up and checking out.

You say “stuff that doesn’t really matter,” but you are doing exactly the thing… labeling me, defining me as part of a group, and not “getting” what i’m trying to explain, about just how much that particular distinction does matter.

What matters to me; to make that distinction, rather than being lumped into a group i do not belong to, and then treated as though everything i say is just “what that group says,” and then utterly dismissed, as though nothing i can say can have any value, due to your definition of my inclusion in that group… for which you are so vehemently arguing in support of… /doesn’t even matter/ to you.

People have put me in that position my entire life, and refuse to allow me to say anything that can change their perspective. I know they’re wrong, but they’re determined to solidify their own definition of me, before ever allowing themselves to understand what i’m trying to say.

So, regardless of how i define myself, others put me in a group, and in their eyes, that’s all i’ll ever be, no matter what i do. So, there is no point in even trying. And so i have to put “those people,” in “that group,” and rule out any possibility of wasting time trying to communicate with them.

Life could be so much better than what i’ve seen… but i am not allowed to make it any better, due to how others choose to define me, in which i have zero say.

That’s why it matters; but so many seem determined to believe otherwise, while often proving the opposite.

lorax 8/29/2013 - 2:49 am

@clevername: You do realize how fucking ironic it is for you to say that after generalizing religious belief persistently on this thread, don’t you? Religious people are people. You are people. They are no less people than you are, and I’m sure putting people into a box, aside from, “human,” will cause that sort of feelings in anyone belonging to the supposed group in question. That’s life. We’re all fucked up and do fucked up shit to each other, intentionally or not. And hey, that’s also one of the reasons I want to go lobotomize myself with a shotgun, so I know quite well how you feel there. I fucking hate boxes.

PainNlife 8/29/2013 - 3:08 am

@RT30 lol I know

lorax 8/29/2013 - 3:13 am

Tu elaborate a little: When I said, “stuff that doesn’t really matter,” I wasn’t talking about you, because you’re not the stuff we were and are talking about. You’re you. The stuff we’re talking about is a topic I get into arguments with just about everyone about when they poke and prod at me for what I believe, in so far as religion is concerned. Theists, atheists, agnostics, whatever, they all have their perspectives, and their perspectives are not the same from one individual to the next. And yet we still have these weird boxes to generalize people based on their perspectives, which creates conflict between people in box A, and people in box B – people who identify as box A, and people who identify as box B. You can’t ever have your cake and eat it, too. Making everyone in the world exactly the same in terms of perspective is impossible, and most likely undesirable. It’s the idiosyncrasies of personality that makes people interesting, and what they believe contributes to that. To be completely honest here, I don’t dismiss the things you say because I know you have a different perspective than I do – as does everyone living on this weird planet we’re inhabiting. I’m not arrogant enough to think I’m right 100% of the time, and I think that certainty is what fuels conflicts due to the intractable and entrenched positioning it causes. Talking points, politics and religion aside, I don’t ever really care what other people believe, so long as they aren’t beating me over the head with it. Way too many people do that, way too often and it just doesn’t seem amenable to healthy social activity.

numb_x 8/29/2013 - 5:37 am

Gravity and magnetism are not directly observable, only the effects of gravity and magnetism are observable. The fabric of space and the passage of time are not directly observable, only the effects of. Light itself is part of what we use to observe reality, yet how do we observe light itself? Within multidimensional string theory, how do we observe the other dimensions, however many there may be?

My point is that G-o-d is a word that represents different things to different people. To me, it represents all of directly-observable and indirectly-observable existence (all that is seen and unseen), the physical, dynamic, and complex interconnectedness of reality that appears to create itself (begotten, not made). I don’t believe in the man in the sky who judges you. I do think that the entire universe is connected and interdependent. I do not take any religious writing as literal. But I do think that there is much metaphorical truth to be found in such writings.

ifoundmeandyou 8/29/2013 - 6:47 am

clever, you are ridiculous.

Stendarr's ***** 8/29/2013 - 7:54 am


Yeah, and light isn’t observable either, just the effect of it. How do we observe light? Did anyone ever tell you that there are these special magic orbs in your face that magically transform light into imagery? According to string theory there are 11 dimensions. We don’t observe them because they’re curled tight together and are not discernible with our eyes (the magic facial orbs, if you forgot) just like how you cannot perceive depth from a far.

God literally means: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

Stendarr's ***** 8/29/2013 - 8:03 am

I think you’re confusing observable and ‘visible’. Observable means: “able to be noticed or perceived”. If you’ve never noticed gravity, I have a thing or two to tell you, buddy…

Stendarr's ***** 8/29/2013 - 8:09 am

Gravity is a force. Electromagnetism is a force. The ‘effects’ of it are what define and characterize it. If gravity didn’t affect you, it wouldn’t exist. Gravity IS the effect.

RealTalk30 8/29/2013 - 9:18 am

“Christians don’t believe in gravity!” -Peter Griffin

Dawg 8/29/2013 - 10:52 am

So – I just figured out who Stendarr’s ***** is … Hi 🙂 I hope you know i had very little or no input or effect on the chat politics – just sayin.

@GG – nothing to be sorry about – it is what it is and at least things aren’t worse … yet … i’ve been struggling most of my life so it’s nothing new and i’m use to it. And since i no longer stress and worry about what “might” happen, i’m basically at peace. Although, granted, i’d like for something – some opportunity to break in my favor for once … that would be nice but otherwise, as long as nothing gets markedly worse, i’m fine with how it is … i have a roof, some food and dogs … i’m ok with that

@RT30 (and the original post) once you recognize you can live without god, “his” help and “influence” … you start to realize that “he” was never there in the first place. That is both liberating and constraining … there is no supernatural “hope” or reprieve that will magically appear out of the heavens … conversely there is no lightning bolts or eternal punitive sanctions that will occur now or in the nonexistent afterlife should you make a mistake … you control your own destiny, constrained only by where your past actions has led you and what your future actions and choices direct you. One thing that can be helpful, is the recognition that you never have to waste another moment concerning yourself with “what god thinks” and how to rectify things in his eyes – he’s simply not there to make such judgments so you gain all the time otherwise spent on acting as if he does.

The religious folks are free to not believe in gravity – in my opinion when people attribute things to god, they’ve given up , they no longer seek the truth or solutions – every major advancement in humanity was in spite or “god” and his “wishes” – god has been the single biggest barrier to the advancements of mankind than anything else.

unhindered dawg

Persephone 8/29/2013 - 10:58 am

@Dawg You’ve said it all, now we can shut this topic down. 🙂

RealTalk30 8/29/2013 - 11:04 am

I’ve always thought that the belief in “god” is actually a person who questions life and needs answers greater than his/her personal situation can provide. Essentially leaving the disbelief of a “god” as an absence of spiritual questions or even concern at all.

RealTalk30 8/29/2013 - 11:06 am

@persephone- I will decide when this topic has met it’s end! lol

Stendarr's ***** 8/29/2013 - 11:10 am


Gosh darn it, Dawg my new identity is foiled. 🙂 Ha, nah, it’s great to see you, my days of causing trouble are long over – at least on chat 😉

Stendarr's ***** 8/29/2013 - 11:28 am

Well actually, I admit the flaw in my argument, gravity is the result of the interactions of theoretical, illusive gravitons. So it basically is an effect, my bad.

Dawg 8/29/2013 - 12:03 pm

@SB – nah – you never caused that much trouble … certain chat mods are just a bit handicapped when it comes to dealing with differing opinions … power does not equal wisdom … and punitive actions does not equal compliance … it only instills fear and contempt … unfortunately the world at large tends to teach that power, threats and punishment equals “order” and civility … stupid may indeed be as stupid does … but unfortunately the rest of us have to suffer the consequences or the powerfully stupid

duck and cover dawg

Dawg 8/29/2013 - 12:09 pm

Oh … and SB – you’re secret is safe with me … my old decrepit memory will forget in 24-48 hours 😛

fog dawg

lorax 8/29/2013 - 12:13 pm

I’m pretty sure human beings in general are stupid. It seems to be the single most universal trait all humans can rally around.

RareHumanSpecies 8/29/2013 - 12:16 pm

lorax for suicideproject president!

Dawg 8/29/2013 - 12:31 pm

With the vast majority hoodwinked and indoctrinated by religion – it goes without saying that most are generally “stupid” … but is it fair? I think “ignorant” is more accurate.

dare to learn

dare dawg

lorax 8/29/2013 - 12:39 pm

Is it really religion, though? Religion seems more like a social club people use to justify the exercises of their baser human tendencies, even in sheer defiance of what their religion teaches them.

PainNlife 8/29/2013 - 12:40 pm

This thread just won’t die….its immortal…

lorax 8/29/2013 - 12:45 pm

Hm… maybe this thread is god. 😮

PainNlife 8/29/2013 - 12:50 pm

lol if it is then I guess that settles the debate once and for all…..on an unrelated side note ….I recommend watching “the road to World War 3” on youtube by stormcloudsgathering ….its a great informative video….its 14 mins long but verrrrry interesting

RealTalk30 8/29/2013 - 12:57 pm

The power of my post compels you!! lol

clevername 8/29/2013 - 1:03 pm


What’s ironic is that you’re doing the exact same thing that you say i’m doing, while i’m not actually doing that.

I’m not “using the word atheist to justify,” nor am i “identifying with a group.” I am using the literal meaning of the word (lack of belief in any god), to indicate my stance on an issue (the issue of whether any “God” exists, and whether that has any relevance in actual life; which is absolutely does).

The difference in the “box” that you mention, is that i allow people to get out of whatever box they put themselves in. You do not. You sit there saying “atheist, agnostic, theists, whatevers…” as if all those are “just groups,” or “social clubs people use to justify the exercises of their baser human tendencies…” rather than considering the nature of those terms, and the disparity among them.

People who believe in ridiculous things, form certain ideas, and adhere to certain ideals, which make them and i utterly incompatible. Interacting with people like that is a waste of my time. I don’t want to waste my time. Therefore: “those people” (who have chosen to remain in the box of their own choosing and definition) are in a group i define is being mentally incompatible, due to belief in something ridiculous, despite the fact that the means for understanding that, are certainly available. Some people like to think cars start by magic, but i know better. Some people like to think “refrigerator gods” are the reason their fridge stopped working. I know better.

People who don’t want to know better, can’t advance.

I want to advance. Ergo: i cannot allow myself to be disrupted and misdirected (like i am now) by people who do not want to advance, because they often attempt to prevent me from advancing as well. That is unacceptable, and i could certainly construe it as a serious threat to my well-being.

I’m saying there is a better approach to understanding the world more accurately, thus allowing for more efficient advancement, and others are saying that ignoring all the better “knowledge,” in favor of arbitrary belief in “magic,” is not just fine for themselves, but should be fine for everyone. Many of them even take it as far as ostracizing any who doesn’t believe what they do, or believes a better way exists. Some even take it as far as murder. Murder over their insistence to believe in magic. Genocide, even. These people are fucking insane! Some of them can’t help it, while others simply /choose/ to be insane. I want nothing to do with anyone like that. I simply allow them to define and confine themselves within whatever box they so choose. That doesn’t mean i can’t say “they’re wrong.” It doesn’t mean i’m “putting them in” that box. It doesn’t mean i’m stopping them from choosing otherwise. I’m simply criticizing them for what is, quite apparently, an utterly ridiculous, possibly vastly detrimental, stupid choice.

I don’t like people who make a habit out of stupid choices, and willful ignorance. I can’t just get along with everyone, i have to draw a line somewhere, and choose a worthy criteria of judgement. This one is worthy. This one, if i live by it, cuts out a huge amount of bullshit that i would otherwise have to directly encounter, which i would not be able to resolve. Rather than constantly fighting with something i can’t beat, i would rather avoid it, by using a reliable heuristic to determine who is, or isn’t, worth my time.

There are atheists i can’t stand, as well. But cutting out that one huge factor of “God belief” vastly reduces the amount of hay that must be sorted, to find the needles.

I need to find the right group for myself, so that i can prosper in cooperation with people who have similar ideals, character traits, and values. I know those people are not part of the “religion” spectrum, and i know it’s futile to attempt to explain my position to “religious people.” They have already decided to not understand, to reject the potential for a better way than theirs, to exist. They have chosen willful ignorance, and false belief. That doesn’t work for me, and i can’t fix them, so i would rather leave them in their box that they have defined. I didn’t make that box, i didn’t put them in it, and they can get out, if they choose. But instead, they choose to remain in the box, accuse me of building it, putting them in it, and doing all the things that it’s actually them, doing to me. What a fucking waste of time! That’s what i call “detrimental effects, resulting from belief.”


No, You.

The idea of people frothing at the mouth, rioting, murdering each other, insisting that there is a “God,” and that i’m supposed to find all this acceptable, and tolerate it, or even comply with it, is what is “ridiculous.” It’s absurd, heinous, foul, vile, disgusting, and shameful.

What’s worse, is that not enough people even want it to change.

Dawg 8/29/2013 - 1:06 pm

Religion as a “social club”?!? yeah … tell that to minorities, non-believers or followers of different “social clubs” (religions) who are persecuted, tortured, imprisoned or killed by the “social club” in power/majority … yeah – a “social club” for those who don’t stray from “club rules”

chess club dawg

lorax 8/29/2013 - 1:13 pm

I definitely agree that human beings are inherently violent and like to attack each other over perceived differences, I just don’t think it’s religion that’s responsible for it. Religion is the excuse for it in many cases, sure, but were there no religion, human beings are creative enough to create some other excuse for holding whichever flavor of prejudice they prefer. Just look at what happened in the eastern bloc countries during the cold war. Humans are human.

RealTalk30 8/29/2013 - 1:13 pm

Many people worship in solitude..I know I use to at one point or another. The idea of religion as a social club is kinda silly when you consider that..and considering everything Dawg said.

I was gonna add something else but I forgot! 😐 hmm..

clevername 8/29/2013 - 1:25 pm

Perhaps that assumes that all humans /want/ to make whatever excuse to attack each other. I don’t think that’s an accurate assumption, though it may indeed represent a majority, which i’m sure would cross religious lines.

Then again, there are some “underpinnings” which just about all religions share, regardless of the differences in what they actually believe.

Yes, we are creative enough to make an argument for just about anything. But are we all necessarily inclined to, and giving into temptation for, doing mostly bad or harmful things to each other? I don’t think so.

I think lots of people work the opposite: we want to create a universal argument for Not harming each other, but instead for cooperation and a sustainable world, with only special exceptions for instances of violence, like when someone is trying to kill you, or trying to grievously injure you or a loved one, or even a random stranger on the street, who seems helpless to observers.

“What happened in the eastern bloc countries during the cold war,” does not represent everything that will ever happen in the future. It is a specific set of circumstances and conditions, at a certain point in time. Those “statistics” don’t mean that’s how humans will always interact with each other. It just means shit happened and people were out of control, because they felt justified, for whatever reason.

Humans are human. Most of us will choose to feel good, when it’s available. Not everyone is just itching for the next chance to rip out the throat of a random stranger.

lorax 8/29/2013 - 1:35 pm

Well, let’s do a thought experiment here. What would civilization look like if there was no religion? Starting from the initial assumption that there is no god, which just makes sense to me since I’ve never seen a god before, my conclusion is generally that civilization would not be different from what it is today, aside from the fact that there would be far fewer churches. This is, as I said, due entirely to the starting assumption that there is no god. When I look at a church, I see a bunch of people singing songs in a building. When I look at a political office, I see a bunch of people shuffling papers. When I look at a mall, I see a bunch of people buying stuff. The thing all three have in common is that there is no god, and there are a lot of people.

Dawg 8/29/2013 - 1:36 pm

@Lorax yes – it goes without saying that despite religion there is a large contingent of humanity who would be violent for the sake of violence and perceived differences. But religion actually makes a whole segment of otherwise peace loving people commit atrocities simply for the sake of their religion and the social perception of “protecting their beliefs” … it’s not just some “oh by the way …” … religion creates that environment that good people feel compelled to protect their god – which is seriously delusional when you consider their god is supposedly all-powerful and more than capable of protecting himself (see: world flood, Sodom, Gomorrah, etc)

@Clever: This, “They have already decided to not understand” among other things in your dissertation … is fucking brilliant 🙂

In fact, they know and fear “knowing” the world in its reality because it causes them to reflect on how fundamentally WRONG they’ve been for decades and what a HUGE waste of time their investment into religion was … i know this because i had this same revelation during my transition from believer to atheist … it can be difficult to swallow.

But like ending any relationship, you cannot unring the bell and you can only chalk it up to learning and experience on how to be a better person going forward … the past is passed – it is done. But facts are facts whether you believe them or not … that is your choice, to recognize those facts or to ignore them to justify your investment … but either way the facts remain true.

liberty dawg

RealTalk30 8/29/2013 - 4:02 pm

Damn near 180 comments!! lol craziness! 😉

PainNlife 8/30/2013 - 9:06 pm

@RT30 thats what a title like “dear god” does for you lol

RealTalk30 8/31/2013 - 12:38 pm

Lol I kept saying that this was a post about the pain in my spine, but I knew no one wanted to talk about that.. So god is what you all got! Hehe 😉

soonerthebetter 8/31/2013 - 1:37 pm

wow… so many comments!!. i did not have the patience to read em all..
but there is no god, hell or heaven… there is just suffering and a bunch of innocent people who also believe in unicorns and zombies…

RareHumanSpecies 8/31/2013 - 1:45 pm

God is real 🙂

Persephone 8/31/2013 - 1:49 pm

@soonerthebetter You forgot vampires! You can trust me when I say they’re real, because I am one.

PainNlife 8/31/2013 - 1:54 pm

@RHS & STB Please don’t get these people started on that debate again ….refrain from that topic at all costs……this thread is immortal

RealTalk30 9/1/2013 - 12:06 pm

This thread is like myself and cockroaches… It can’t be killed! Hehe

Stendarr's ***** 9/1/2013 - 12:16 pm

“Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?” ~ Ford Prefect

clevername 9/1/2013 - 12:19 pm

@SB: Ah! Yes.

RealTalk30 9/1/2013 - 12:19 pm

I say No to that..it’s not enough!! 😛 Bring on the fairies!!

RealTalk30 9/1/2013 - 12:20 pm

Which basically means I need to seek truth! lol

Duke of Marmalade 9/1/2013 - 1:59 pm

The timeline of events on this site can be compared to the Mesozoic Era, beginning with Helium Hood Thread and ending with this. Although, some would argue that this is the period right after the dinosaurs became extinct.

PainNlife 9/1/2013 - 2:06 pm

on a side note…..president “obomya” has decided to consult with congress before blowing syria back to the stone age….I think its just an empty gesture to delude people into thinking it wont happen

RealTalk30 9/1/2013 - 2:15 pm

Well that’s good to know! Maybe it’s all part of a bigger plan…as is all things!

Stendarr's ***** 9/1/2013 - 2:26 pm

Don’t get me fuckin’ started on Syria 😛

PainNlife 9/1/2013 - 2:30 pm

@SB lol I have been trying to keep track of whats happening….I really don’t care though if it doesn’t happen before 2014

Persephone 9/1/2013 - 2:36 pm

Haha Duke, I like that analogy. 😛

RealTalk30 9/1/2013 - 2:48 pm

All we need are a few energetic theists to bring this post back to life! 😉

Who’s game? Who believes in God these days?

PainNlife 9/1/2013 - 2:52 pm

@RT30….. if there are any here they would be better off keeping quiet…..especially when they are up against the likes of clevername stendarr and dawg

Duke of Marmalade 9/1/2013 - 2:56 pm

Percy, are you stalking me again…

RT30, this post is approaching the 200 marker. Congratulations. We are all tabloid readers at heart.

Persephone 9/1/2013 - 2:59 pm

@Duke you know you love it.

Duke of Marmalade 9/1/2013 - 3:02 pm

If that’s what makes you happy, then yeah, I like it.

RealTalk30 9/1/2013 - 3:07 pm

I’d like to thank the word “god”, cuz without it this post would be insignificant! That’s a lot of comments! lol

C4 9/1/2013 - 3:10 pm

Maybe if we all took a cruise on the Love Boat and got stranded on Gilligan’s Island one of us might find a bottled genie buried in the sand, somewhere in the Twilight Zone.
Retro TV is great, just watched an episode of “I dream of Jeannie”. She’s an angel. I wonder if genies believe in god.

Duke of Marmalade 9/1/2013 - 3:16 pm

Kingman won the Solario yesterday. It was a small field and he didn’t beat much but it was visually impressive. James Doyle had him anchored off the pace and as soon as he was asked, he quicken up impressively to win going away. He Now heads straight for the Dewhurst.

I still think War Command is the best 2 year old. I’m not saying he’ll win the guineas. I’m saying that if he stays sound he’ll win a group 1 in 2014, something like the Eclipse.

So what did we learn from the weekend. We learnt that Kingman is a very good horse.

Persephone 9/1/2013 - 3:17 pm

@C4 Have you ever seen The Munsters or The Addams Family (original)? I relate to Frankenstein and Wednesday Addams.

C4 9/1/2013 - 3:19 pm

People seem to put a lot of effort in to naming horses and boats. “Kingman” isn’t as solid a name as “Duke of Marmalade”, but he does seem to be living up to his regal namesake.

C4 9/1/2013 - 3:23 pm

@ Persephone; Yes. I recently discovered a TV channel that broadcasts reruns of shows from the 60’s and 70’s. Good stuff. I like the beehive hairdo’s, the skirts, people smoking indoors with a cocktail in their hand…it was a simpler time. No internet, no cell phones, no ATM’s, funky carpeting in garish colors, etc.
That Munsters theme song is pretty kewl, too.

Duke of Marmalade 9/1/2013 - 3:23 pm

As long as they aren’t named Lucy, they have a half decent chance.

Persephone 9/1/2013 - 3:27 pm

@C4 Indeed. I don’t have a TV, but I’ve seen some episodes online. I should get around to finishing the series. Twilight Zone is quite intriguing as well. Gotta love Hitchcock. I should give those other shows a shot, too.

C4 9/1/2013 - 3:30 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-5yArJ4DM Here’s some band doing a cover of the Munsters theme song. It’s not bad.
@ Persephone; Right on.
@ Duke; Groovy, baby.

Persephone 9/1/2013 - 3:33 pm

@C4 Oh wait, maybe Hitchcock wasn’t involved with Twilight Zone? I’ve seen a few episodes, and I thought he was. I guess I’m thinking of ‘Alfred Hitchcock Presents.’

C4 9/1/2013 - 3:35 pm

@ Persephone; The Twilight Zone was Rod Serling’s vehicle. I put up a link for your listening pleasure but it’s currently awaiting moderation.

Persephone 9/1/2013 - 3:39 pm

That’s a good cover.

Have you ever seen films from the 1920’s/30’s?

C4 9/1/2013 - 3:42 pm

@ Persephone; I don’t remember seeing any films from that era. Do you have any recommendations?
If you like instrumental surf music, check out Man or Astroman. I have about five albums by them. I love that watery, sort of far away or mystical sound you get from a Fender Strat or Telecaster.

Duke of Marmalade 9/1/2013 - 3:45 pm

Got to do something. Will check back in 30 minutes. Someone might be worried… that’s all.

Persephone 9/1/2013 - 3:52 pm

@C4 I’ve seen a couple of Charlie Chaplin films I enjoyed – City Lights and The Great Dictator. Buster Keaton is another one – lots of physical comedy; The General, Our Hospitality, and Sherlock Jr. He has many shorts and probably more feature length productions that I haven’t gotten around to yet. Also worth noting are the Marx Brothers; I have only viewed Duck Soup so far, which is also full of visual gags, slapstick, and very witty lines.

That’s some good chill-out music. Thanks for the recommendation. I do indeed have a partiality for the ambient/instrumental genres (as well as many other genres, haha).

C4 9/1/2013 - 3:58 pm

@ Persephone; Right on, I’ll check it out.
I was just bouncing around listening to people play their vintage reissued Strat’s and Telly’s. There’s a lot of unknown talent on youtube. A lot of junk too, but if you’re willing to wade through enough amateur submissions there are gems to be found.
None of this has anything to do with god or suicide. Sorry RT. Guess I’m not in that sort of mood atm.

Persephone 9/1/2013 - 4:05 pm

@C4 Sometimes I’ll listen to covers; some are surprisingly good, even superior to the original (particularly since most are bound to be a stripped-down acoustic version).

Any more bands you might suggest, haha?

C4 9/1/2013 - 4:10 pm

@ Persephone; Are you familiar with Crystal Castles? They’re a Canadian duo. The guy is a multi instrumentalist, the singer is a girl who howls and shrieks in a most pleasant way. It’s noisy electronica. I discovered them a few years ago on satellite radio. I’d post a link but it will go into moderation.

Persephone 9/1/2013 - 4:25 pm

@C4 Yes, I have; I’m not sure if I possess any of their music, however. I should give them a listen.

You know, I was wondering – have you ever written any published works? On this site, you have such an eloquent style of expression, and personality-wise, you rather strike me as a Jack Kerouac / Hunter S. Thompson type, haha.

C4 9/1/2013 - 4:42 pm

@ Persephone; Every person on this site who’s ever submitted a comment is technically an author. We’ve all been published online. hehe.
Thanks for the compliment. When I was younger I had aspirations of someday becoming an author. I went to community college for three years with the intention of getting two degrees after I transferred to a “real college”. The plan was to get my BA’s in Philosophy and English. My primary source of income back then was growing and selling cannabis. I wasn’t interested in becoming wealthy, I just needed enough money to pay for school.
Eventually I got caught. This had a deleterious effect on my higher education. My source of funding dried up, so I had to join the workforce. I became a drone. Another rat on a treadmill.
It hasn’t been all bad, but I realized a long time ago that life consists of doing things that we need to do in order to survive. People will say stuff like “chase your dreams” or “carpe diem”, but in my experience reality hasn’t afforded me the luxury of enough spare time or funds to pursue the seemingly impossible goals I once had. Or maybe I’m just lazy. (That’s probably closer to the truth).
This is a long comment. I usually skip these little novel’s when other people write them. 🙂

You seem interesting, too. Maybe we can swap life stories someday, if that meets with your approval. – I’ll show you mine if you show me yours –

clevername 9/1/2013 - 4:49 pm


“…but in my experience reality hasn’t afforded me the luxury of enough spare time or funds to pursue the seemingly impossible goals I once had.”

This is the crux of my recent emphasis on the necessity of compatibility and integration of subsistence and advancement.

If we’re forced to choose survival before advancement, and survival takes all our time and energy, then there is nothing left for advancement, thereby perpetuating the problem that makes many lives not worth living.

If we can’t do both at the same time, then survival isn’t even worth the effort.

Duke of Marmalade 9/1/2013 - 4:51 pm

You mentioned being busted by the narcotics task force before. I didn’t take it seriously. They really ruin peoples lives.

Persephone 9/1/2013 - 4:58 pm

@C4 Ah, that’s such a shame. You probably would have made a great professor, or something. It’s not too late to be a writer, though. Do you have any interest in writing screenplays? Perhaps we could collaborate sometime, if it strikes your fancy. I have been looking for co-writers, haha.

And certainly – do feel free to send me an email anytime you might wish. I do not have much of a life story to speak of so far, but I’m sure yours must be colorful, hehe.

C4 9/1/2013 - 4:58 pm

@ clevername; Yeah, I suppose we’re both in the same boat. If our reason for existence is nothing more than enduring the struggle needed for survival, I’m not convinced it’s worth it.
On the other hand, animals don’t have it any easier than humans. For animals in the wild, survival is a full time job and they never seem to complain. Their focus seems to be directed towards eating, mating, and avoiding getting eaten by other animals. They don’t question “why”. They don’t concern themselves with concepts like “fairness” or “meaning”. Maybe they’re on to something.
Idk. I accept the fact that someday I’ll die. Between then and now, I’ll probably continue asking myself wtf I’m doing here.

C4 9/1/2013 - 5:03 pm

Later y’all. I’m off to get a sandwich and some beer. Ttyl.

clevername 9/1/2013 - 5:17 pm

In that regard, wild animals have access to something i’m not allowed… which, if taken by force, carries rather steep penalties in human society.

I suppose the real question is: is life without mating, worth working for? I’m not completely convinced the answer is “no,” but it feels like “no,” about 99% of the time. I’m still looking for that last 1%… or the answer that eliminates the need for the question.

RealTalk30 9/1/2013 - 10:19 pm

Being alone shouldn’t be a bad thing. Idk.. Maybe ask god what you should do! 😉

C4 9/1/2013 - 10:27 pm

If mating is the sole purpose for existence, then it seems like a circular logic, futile reason that makes us no more significant than bacteria.
Q; What is the reason for existence?
A: Perpetuation of the species.
Q: Ok. We copy ourselves genetically. We produce offspring. What is our children’s purpose?
A: Perpetuation of the species.

It goes on and on and on. ***** please. Is that really the meaning of life? I’ve never wanted children and hope to live my entire life without ever breeding.

PainNlife 9/1/2013 - 10:32 pm

If mating is the sole purpose for this hell then fuck it!…..I refuse to bring an innocent child into this hellhole with the possibility that it will inherit my detestable physical features and feel like I do everyday…Hell I doubt a female would in her right mind want a child by me…..I’ll take death for 1000 alex

C4 9/1/2013 - 10:41 pm

You didn’t phrase that in the form of a question, PainNlife. I’m terribly sorry but you must be eliminated.
Oh, forget it.

clevername 9/1/2013 - 11:03 pm

Guise, guise…

There is no “meaning of life.” The need for an intrinsic meaning of life to exist, is just an indoctrinated construct.

Also: i didn’t say mating was the only purpose. It’s just the one that tips the scale from “not worth it” to “worth it.”

We don’t have to be “more intrinsically meaningful and significant on a global scale, than bacteria.”

In order to fight to remain alive, i must want to remain alive. In order to want to remain alive, i must feel that the gains are worth the pains. If they aren’t, then we can either assume that’s just that, or we can evaluate the circumstances and attempt to change them. If what is lacking cannot be found, and/or if what is so wrong that life is not worth living, without fixing, cannot be fixed… we end up ‘here,’ or anywhere, wondering what next, and whether there is any suitable consolation prize to be had for our efforts.

clevername 9/1/2013 - 11:04 pm

note: in this sense, gains can be experiences, not only actual possessions.

C4 9/1/2013 - 11:11 pm

There is a meaning to life. Monty Python wouldn’t lie.
Animals don’t ponder these questions. They don’t read philosophy n shit.
I read your earlier statement and thought you were suggesting that well placed orgasms were the meaning to life. Maybe I misunderstood. Orgasms are good, but there’s gotta be more.
Whatever. I’m going to listen to music now.
You’re a guitarist, right clevername? Are you a Fender guy? Gibson? Ibanez? Other?

clevername 9/1/2013 - 11:32 pm


lol. I would fall in the “other” category. I actually own a LTD m-200fr (i think that’s the right name…), but it’s customized with SD blackouts and a volume knob for each pickup, rather than the 2 knob stock setup. It was the nicest cheap but still good “KH copy” i could find, a few years ago.

I also like the Dean ML’s (the nicely loaded out ones like dime played), but i’ll probably never own one, unless “god” miracles me lots of money. Or, if i maybe figure out how to miracle it myself.

lorax 9/1/2013 - 11:39 pm

@clevername: that’s why god invented printers – to miraclize money for people. 😮

clevername 9/1/2013 - 11:41 pm


“that’s why god invented printers – to miraclize money for people. :o”

Somehow that just made me think of Office Space…

scarredkitty 9/1/2013 - 11:54 pm

Hey C4 what cable provider do you have? That channel sounds awesome. Hoping you have VerizonFios *fingers crossed*

C4 9/2/2013 - 12:12 am

It’s called the “Me network”. They broadcast shows from the 60’s & 70’s. Awesome. Some are older.
Right now I’m watching “Breaking Bad” – great show. (I think its on A&E).
Cable provider? I dunno. Some corporate entity I’d like to destroy. I just pay the bill every month and lament the sell out I’ve become.
Clevername got me looking up Dimebag Darrell shit on youtube. It’s interesting. Imagine getting assassinated onstage by a disgruntled fan.
Blah. I prefer being anonymous.

scarredkitty 9/2/2013 - 12:25 am

Ah thanks! I’m looking it up now, turns out it’s either on channel 244 or 289 for me.. we shall see. I got through Breaking Bad season 1 but I never progressed, maybe I should restart that habit. For some reason I preferred the violence of The Walking Dead to the violence in Breaking Bad (drug violence just tweaks me out for some reason) might go back to it though.

Haha wow, I’d never even heard of that dude. Being famous would be the last thing I’d ever want out of this life. Being shot by a “fan” is among my reasons.

C4 9/2/2013 - 12:26 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPyVch_xAGM Going back to 1994, here’s the mighty Pantera with “Fucking Hostile.
You kids today….remember leaving a show with a broken nose and blood all over your shirt? Those were the good ole days.

clevername 9/2/2013 - 12:29 am


re: F-Hostile…

I flipped my car to that song! Probably why i was ‘miraculously’ unharmed (aside from a tiny scratch and lingering neck problems).

clevername 9/2/2013 - 12:31 am


Speaking of dime: ever heard Rebel Meets Rebel? lol.

C4 9/2/2013 - 12:36 am

@ clevername; Not familiar with Rebel meets Rebel.
Love Pantera. I just watched that video 3 times. Christ, I miss the 90’s.
It’s pathetic, I’m living in the past.
Dude, hit me up for a drink in the afterlife. I’ll give you some quarters for the fucking jukebox. Then we’ll play some pool. Lorax can show up, it’ll be epic.

clevername 9/2/2013 - 12:41 am

Sounds metal enough for me. ^^

scarredkitty 9/2/2013 - 12:58 am

Omg The Honeymooners, this network is awesome!!!! Too bad I can’t find it and don’t think Verizon Fios picks it up. Dammit. That’s a real gem of a network. Enjoy it for me

C4 9/2/2013 - 1:04 am

@ scarredkitty; Did you know that Jackie Gleason and Johnny Cash share the same birthday?
Felix, from “The Odd Couple”, too.
Christ, it’s embarrassing that I know this. Look it up if you don’t believe me.
I just crossed the street and got more beer without getting run over. That’s a pretty remarkable accomplishment. Let’s keep posting random gibberish on this thread – RT.3 won’t mind.

scarredkitty 9/2/2013 - 1:10 am

I actually was aware of that because I had a mini obsession with Johnny Cash which was spawned from my mega obsession of Joaquin Phoenix. And I’m a Honeymooners fanatic. JackieGLeason4lyfe. He was such an awesome guy. They’re both Pisces. Joaquin’s a Scorp such as myself. Donno who Felix is never saw the Odd Couple… I’ll take a gander tho

bee boo bop bee bee boo bop <— robot gibberish

Congrats, you live to see another day!

C4 9/2/2013 - 1:16 am

@ scarred kitty : Everyone I mentioned was a Pisces.
You’re a Scorpio? Most likely to kill somebody else, least likely to take their own life.
I mean that in the nicest possible way. 🙂
Catholic femme fatales are really great people, um, uh, I have nothing negative to say.

scarredkitty 9/2/2013 - 1:31 am

Hahaha, I forgot about that saying, hey thanks that’s renewed my hope! Unfortunately our “stinger” can sometimes be turned inwards when it doesn’t have anything to sting on the outside…hence my case :/
What are you? Astrologically speaking
Lol that was an out-of-the-blue comment, they don’t sound like someone I’d wanna hang with

scarredkitty 9/2/2013 - 1:31 am

Side Note: have you ever seen The Wonder Years? I’m rewatching that series starting with the Pilot as we speak

C4 9/2/2013 - 1:36 am

@ kitty; Yeah, I liked the Wonder Years.
Me be a fish.
Listening to music, sorry if the responses are slow.

scarredkitty 9/2/2013 - 1:48 am

You’s a Pisces? Yay we’re supposedly compatible! Though I’ve never had a friend that was a Pisces so either it’s hogwash or I attract the wrong kind… our waters run deep supposedly

I love the theme song, what would ya do if i sang outta tune, would ya stand up and walk out on meeee. oh joe cocker. what a lovely raspy voice.

No worries, I’m a tad slow on the uptake myself with these 24 min episodes…but getting sleepy. I was gonna watch Memoirs of a Geisha but starting a 2 1/2 hr movie at 1 am seemed a bad idea after an ounce of thought

C4 9/2/2013 - 1:57 am

I get high with a little help from my friends, too.
Memoirs of a Geisha? Seems easier to get a tattoo. That seems like less work. Whatever.
Take it easy, perhaps we’ll meet again
I’d post another farewell Pantera link bit it would probably just await moderation.
Hasta, Scorpio grrl.

scarredkitty 9/2/2013 - 2:36 am

ooooOOoo, <– those were the next lines

Sweet dreams my fishy friend

C4 9/2/2013 - 2:42 am

G’nite, Kitty.

PainNlife 9/3/2013 - 10:29 am

On a side note….Russia will send delegates to talk our congress against military strikes in Syria ….another empty gesture…..

RealTalk30 9/6/2013 - 7:23 am

When did I miss all this?? lol

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 10:48 am

Idk.. I still think this post has a shot at being the all time high eventually!

😉 who wants to help me give Duke a run for his money against the “Treve” post?

Which convo can out last?

Idk.. In a way I feel that God is on my side with this one!

And all duke has is karma working for him!

Which is gonna come out on top? 🙂

lostnz 10/14/2013 - 11:03 am

@ realtalk maybe you should take odds on who has we all believe in more the dukes horse in saturdays race vs god duke should start favourite because treve already won

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 11:30 am

Idk how long “Treve” has been up but it took about a week to get the majority of the comments here…most of them being on the first day. and I don’t think I responded to most of all my comments so if I would have there would be twice as many..I suppose! lol it wouldn’t take too much to pass duke up in comments! 😉

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 11:32 am

If I have to do it myself, so be it! lol

But will it count? 🙂

lostnz 10/14/2013 - 11:38 am

@realtalk have backed you here realtalk have put 5k on an outsider in the dukes next race only god could make this horse win if so i will hel with record and also buy a very nicenew car

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 12:07 pm

“God is a concept by which we measure our pain.” –John Lennon

(Saw RT30’s comment about the longest post so this random quote popped into my head. Don’t say I didn’t contribute.)

Stendarr's ***** 10/14/2013 - 12:11 pm

Quick, someone say “tits” that always attracts the masses. Throw in some no-no words too, after this thread goes viral you’re going to be internet famous, RT

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 12:16 pm

Titties Here! Leave comment and see titties FREE!!!!!!

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 12:19 pm


RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 12:23 pm



Jesus Christ Super Vagina!!! LOL

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 12:26 pm

I think we are almost at a tie.. No?


PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 12:28 pm

The #1 post has over 700 comments….not to stamp out any hopes but I don’t think any post will reach that unless people deliberately comment on one and make it 800+ comments….but I mean does it really matter? no post hold any comparison to the mighty HHM thread because it was centered on the very information many of us seek….information about many methods of suicide….. most of the other top post have comments unrelated to suicide and many of them are just conversations between folks…
not that any of it matters anyways….nobody is winning anything for most comments on a suicide site……(the mentioning of tits brought me here lol)

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 12:28 pm

How do I put my reply comments inside the boxes of everyone else’s comments? I can reply to a few old comments to keep this going if I can just figure that out!

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 12:31 pm

@pain- ahahahahaha!!!! We will get there! 😉 there is always something to say bout God!!

And no.. For the record.. It doesn’t matter at all! lol but that won’t stop me! Hehehe

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 12:33 pm

Lorax always cracks me up when he talks about god because he purposely misspells it …. Lord = Lard …. and god = gawd …. I don’t know why but the misspellings just make it funny for some reason…

Stendarr's ***** 10/14/2013 - 12:37 pm

It looks like I’ve succumbed to the gravatar virus circulating around here. I still have a fondness for my default avatar, I may change it back.

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 12:38 pm

lol I always try to capitalize the G in god in hopes that it will piss people off , that I would go out of my way to capitalize it! lol

This post has passed up the comment count on the “Treve” post. Making it the 4th most commented post! Right? LOL

sorry duke!! 😛

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 12:41 pm

“Tits brought me here” – fucking hilarious!! LOL 🙂

Stendarr's ***** 10/14/2013 - 12:44 pm

In my high school we weren’t allowed to write out “God” we had to use “G_d” or “G–” something about if a piece of paper has the word on it, it’s holy or blasphemy or something, I forget. It wasn’t enforced but I thought it was a stupid rule anyways.

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 12:51 pm

I think it was a year or two after I graduated that they took the pledge of allegiance out! I think! So I missed that.. Also barely missed the 400 hours of community service they make kids do these days, they started doing that the year after I graduated! lol

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 12:53 pm

Getting up there!!

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 12:55 pm


Stendarr's ***** 10/14/2013 - 12:57 pm

We were supposed to do the pledge of allegiance every Monday, but often people forgot. When we were asked to do it, I was that asshole who awkwardly sat down and didn’t say anything. Why would I pledge my allegiance to a piece of fabric? Why would I pledge my allegiance to an establishment that has harmed more people than it has helped? It’s stupid to teach kids as young as 6 to recite a pledge, they don’t even know what the hell it means to pledge your allegiance to something. It’s all a method used to indoctrinate children so they really do pledge their allegiance to a corrupt government eventually.

Stendarr's ***** 10/14/2013 - 12:57 pm

lol @ Jswiss

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 12:58 pm

NOTE: Unfortunately we do not know whether you will receive male or female virgins.

Stendarr's ***** 10/14/2013 - 12:59 pm

Are the virgins even human? Or is that not guaranteed either?

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 1:06 pm

Hmmm…I read the fine print. No mention of them needing to be human.

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 1:13 pm

Honestly we aren’t any better than North Korea for teaching babies the pledge as if it’s a nursery rhyme. But their pledge talks about killing Americans! lol

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 1:13 pm

Umm about these virgins….are they slutty virgins or the “you have to work for this” virgins….nobody wants the latter type lol

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 1:16 pm

Imagine 72 first and second dates! :O

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 1:18 pm

Is it possible to trade the virgins for a time machine? that is the real question

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 1:23 pm

lol pain… There’s no going back!! Ok?! 🙂 just let it go! lol

Idk.. I’d be pretty pissed off too if I had to go out on 144 dates just to get laid! Hehe

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 1:27 pm

Eh well then for something more acceptable….I mean 72 virgins is something you can get on earth…very hard to locate them but they are out there lol….ummm I’d want the ability to fly or something…something you can’t get on earth

Procel 10/14/2013 - 1:31 pm

Wow… This escalated quickly… I though those lads who blew themselves up were the ones who got virgins?

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 1:31 pm

@ PainNlife

It is funny that you mention a time machine as I have used Justin Bieber’s existence as proof that time travel into the past is either impossible or will never be invented before the end of the universe. If a time machine were created at any time in the future, then I am almost certain that making sure Justin Bieber’s mother had an abortion would be tops on the list. His very existence I believe offers all the proof I need to realize that we will never be afforded the use of a time machine. So to answer your question in the most ridiculous way possible: No you will not be able to trade virgins for a time machine.

Whether they are slutty or not depends on what kind of currency you bring. You know how you have to pay off the ferryman Charon to cross the river into Hades? Well the same kind of thing applies with these virgins. So you are going to want, at the very least, to have real silver or gold coins placed on your eyes. I think they like precious gemstones too, especially emeralds.

Stendarr's ***** 10/14/2013 - 1:33 pm


Perhaps a tyrannical dictator whom killed billions of people and destroyed the Earth was in existence at one point, but then someone went back in time and stopped them from being conceived and thus why we don’t know about them?

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 1:34 pm

Oh and if someone places two pieces of coal over the eyes of your corpse, you are totally fucked. I don’t even want to say what will happen then.

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 1:37 pm

@jswissman LOL…..you have a point there

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 1:42 pm

@ Stendarr, that evil dictator, according to the old testament, is Jehovah. But it is hard to determine whether he was ever in existence at one time. But his ordering of mass slaughters, genocide, the rape and murder of innocents makes Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, etc. look like choir boys. Also he gave Lucifer a really bad rap. Fucking Jehovah totally sucks ass!…oh shit, am I allowed to say that on this forum? BTW Whenever I think of Jehovah, I think of Cthulhu; I think Lovecraft was on to something….

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 1:54 pm

weigh the bible and the koran whichever one is heavier wins because that means it has more bullshit than the other…

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 1:54 pm

This reminds me.. I never did finish the bible the last time I tried to read it from start to finish.. I think I got stuck on the book of numbers! lol but I really have no desire at this point to finish it!

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 1:55 pm

@pain- LOL

🙂 300 comments people! Thanks for the support!

…God thanks you too! lol

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 1:57 pm

Based on Pain’s way of determination then the Tao Te Ching is not so bad as it is a really thin book. Maybe Taoists are not so full of shit lol?

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 1:57 pm

Hey.. RareHumanSpeciese was the first to comment, I wonder why they gave up so easily!? lol

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 1:59 pm

Which god is thanking me RT30? Or at least let me know which pantheon…I may have to stop posting based on your answer!

Procel 10/14/2013 - 1:59 pm

I barely got through genisis myself, all those people living for hundreds of years made me think it was complete bullshit.

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 2:02 pm

I’ve read bits and pieces of the bible at the direction of my sunday school teachers….conveniently they left out all the gruesome stories ….wonder why lol….

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 2:07 pm

@j- uhhhhh…. Ok, you got me! It’s just me thanking you! 😛

They should make a version of the bible that just tells the gruesome stories, like in a dark twisted way! Best seller right there!! lol

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 2:11 pm

Christians would be up in arms at the publisher and authors homes before it sold a single copy lol

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 2:13 pm

Ok RT30 I can keep posting then. As you probably already know, I worship The Undead Cucumber and most other gods just really tick him off.

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 2:17 pm

Now that’s a wrath worth fearing!! 😉

…I love cucumber! …not so much when it’s undead! lol

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 2:41 pm

There are probably more atheists on this site now turning to religion than those going the other way. After reading this, that’s how I’d feel about it anyway.

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 2:42 pm

@The potential of this site- the way I see it, it’s only a matter of time before this site gets mentioned on a major news program or TV show, and after that we will all be famous…and some of us, infamous! lol 😉

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 2:46 pm

Yeah I wouldn’t doubt that the basic survival instinct on this site is to reinforce a kind of personal faith, in one form or another.

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 2:47 pm

Yeah especially if a young kid commits a high profile suicide then they research his computer and find this site….once that happens this shit is coming down fast…especially if he was encouraged and given methods its over….

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 2:49 pm

Well do us all a favor and don’t be that kid, brotha! lol

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 2:52 pm

I’m gonna personally make sure this post receives atleast 100 more comments! 🙂

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 2:55 pm

@anyone- but really.. How would you be able to cope if most of the world was stopping in just to see you on this site? I mean.. Look at how crazy YT has gotten..right!?

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 2:56 pm

Religion somehow doesn’t seem as oppressing in comparison. An individual might be better off having faith in something.

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 2:59 pm

@Duke- for sure, I believe we should all have faith in something, even if it’s just in our own efforts. There’s no point in beating one’s self up over wether one “should” have faith in one thing or another. That’s a lot of pressure I think.

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 3:02 pm

Is it fair to say people that believe in god and spiritualism are criticised on the site and if so, how would you feel about that?

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:02 pm

I only have to top 664? lol Ha!!

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:05 pm

I only draw the line when people try to get all negative with their beliefs, or downplaying the situations of others by claiming that all they need is faith in a God. But I find it pleasant when people of faith have understanding of more than just their own faiths. 🙂

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 3:12 pm

So, based on what you just said, if a person were to say that a person shouldn’t have faith in god, they’d be wrong wouldn’t they?

Dawg 10/14/2013 - 3:18 pm

Your god sure does create a ruckus … Just so you know … i hear tell that this 72 virgins thing works like this …

Men get: 72 leather bound burly biker butt pirates who have been dying (have died) to ram you in the bum as the Master Dom … they’re virgin at this task … and very excited … i don’t think soft tender caring will come into play … better bring extra lube, you’re gonna need it

Women get 72 burly butch biker broads who have been dying (have died) to strap on a 10″ purple plastic dong to cram in your cooter as the Master Dom … they are virgin at this task … and very excited … i don’t think soft tender caring will come into play … better bring extra lube, you’re gonna need it

I don’t believe in god … i’m good so i ain’t worried about my “reward” … all the best 😀

dead dawg

C4 10/14/2013 - 3:19 pm

It would be funny if somebody reported this post and had admin remove it once it gets to the 600 comment mark. Hehe. Go Treve!

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:20 pm

Basically..yes! If they were to tell some one who wants to believe in god that they shouldn’t have faith in god, that would just be crazy (in the sense that one wants to have faith).

Same can be said if some one of faith told an atheist that they should have faith in god, that’s just crazy talk.

^if the same person were to say… “It’s ok, I understand where you are coming from! It can be difficult to have faith in something you can’t see, thus can’t believe in!”

To me that’s acceptable.

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 3:22 pm

I don’t see that anyone needs to be criticized personally for their views (religious or otherwise) unless it is just a matter of two users knowing each other.

It is easy enough to state in general terms what one likes or dislikes about religion. If someone gets personally offended that would be on them.

Personally, I an anti-organized religion, but participate in and practice native American spirituality and shamanism (for lack of a better term). But also have a soft spot for Existential Nihilism and Pantheism. It’s probably easy for me to offend someone who is Christian when I point out the old testament shows Jehovah was a mass-murderer (the slaughter of the Amalekites as just one example). But I wouldn’t comment directly to someone who professed to worship Jehovah and say nasty things to them.

If RT30 made fun of my spirituality because he is (hypothetically speaking a staunch atheist), he already knows I wouldn’t care. But I doubt any of us would hammer someone new to the forum.

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:23 pm

@C4- HEY!!!! LOL

@Dawg- LMAO @ cooter!!

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 3:24 pm

Would you consider people who expressed that view to be narrow-minded?

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:25 pm

I wouldn’t speak so soon! lol

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:26 pm

We all know what narrow minded looks like…come on! lol

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:27 pm

I want to see 333 before I get back to work! 🙂

Dawg 10/14/2013 - 3:29 pm

@RT30 – the problem is – very few people come from a perspective of “I will worship my god my way without infringing on your right to worship your god your way” … nope … most come from the viewpoint that theirs is the one TRUE god and if you do NOT believe, you are damned … but that is not enough … oh no … they are required to either educate, proselytize, convert or punish you in some way to get you in line with THEIR god … yup, to leave you to errantly worship the wrong god would be a grievous error on their part so they MUST force every detail of their belief upon you … so much so that they need to try to legislate their beliefs and cult rules through the secular government process .. in the name of god of course

no thanks

godless dawg

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:31 pm

@dawg- how do they punish Christian Americans these days, just curious? Update me! lol

Dawg 10/14/2013 - 3:37 pm

for 333 … go to your church, do your rituals ,,, repeat them to your heart’s content at your home or in your church … i don’t even mind if you do it in a park … have your bible studies/sunday schools 24 hrs a day at any of these places … but in regular schools, court room legislative halls – no … keep your god to yourself … leave the rest of us the fuck alone … your imaginary friend is yours and yours alone … do whatever the little voices say in your own church or home and with your family and people who voluntarily choose to subscribe to your silliness … but if you get in mah face with it … pimpslaps will be forthcoming hard, fast and repetitive

pimp dawg

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:40 pm

Just so we are clear.. I have no religion! lol and I’d never tell anyone what they should or should not believe. 🙂

Dawg 10/14/2013 - 3:41 pm

Evidently … to hear them say it … christian americans are punished by not being allowed to pray in science classrooms … and they are tortured with the knowledge that someone somewhere took an RU48 pill against their strict instructions … imagine the horror!

riding raptors with jeesus dawg

Dawg 10/14/2013 - 3:47 pm

Now go back to work … god hates slackers 😛

leisure dawg

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:58 pm

Yes sir! 😛

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:58 pm


RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 3:59 pm

(340) 😉 just wanted to do that! lol

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 4:03 pm

I can deduce….. that religion is a contentious issue on suicide sites.

Dawg 10/14/2013 - 4:03 pm

You’d make a good christian … with all the self serving self important postings to promote your self and your post and it’s numbers … HHM will still be the alltime biggest/best thread on SOP – quantity means nothing without quality … but, nothing wrong with entertaining levity 😉

abomination dawg

Dawg 10/14/2013 - 4:04 pm

*SP (not “SoP”) … add another 😛

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 4:14 pm

lol Well who else is gonna handle my PR?! 😛

And I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that the HHM post is something not everyone needs, appreciates, respects, or agrees with. Freedom to live and die is one thing, but I don’t support giving that kind of info to just anyone. Atleast it won’t come from me so if that’s the defining meaning of “quality” on this site, then quality..I have not! lol

Procel 10/14/2013 - 4:26 pm

@RT the helium hood method is an embodiment of this place.

clevername 10/14/2013 - 4:33 pm

So this thread has been resurrected.

Apparently, there IS a God!

@re: free dissemination of dangerous information:

Idealistically, i agree with allowing everyone to access all information, for the particular dynamic that it would result in placing the burden of responsibility and accountability for what they choose to do with said information, squarely upon them, rather than being allowed to claim ignorance or religious-belief-based immunity to rules.

The best way to stop people from believing that claiming “it’s god’s will” is a valid stance to assume, is to give them free access to all information, and through education, develop in them, the tools to understand the information they encounter.

If they then claim to not understand, despite the best efforts to ensure they do, then we can justifiably label them “mentally incompetent,” and further, justifiably relegate them to an isolated and contained area, removed from free and free-thinking society.

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 4:35 pm

The sites full of ‘crisis-chat-type’ people now anyway. It’s probably seen better days.

Pum 10/14/2013 - 4:40 pm

“Crisis-chat type people”, care to elaborate?

twinkletoes 10/14/2013 - 4:43 pm

Why is this god of yours suddenly always brought up? I am curious, what is it that makes you believe in him?

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 4:44 pm

I’m curious what you mean too DoM.

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 4:48 pm

@DOM- oops..now you’ve done it! lol

Procel 10/14/2013 - 4:49 pm

I think he means this place has become a shit hole compared to what it was back when me and him first joined, cant disagree.

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 4:50 pm

Religion is a contentious issue almost everywhere not just on suicide sites….

Pum 10/14/2013 - 4:53 pm

I was just curious as to wether or not I fall in to the category of “crisis- chat type people” or not. lol

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 4:54 pm

@ Pum- I know you hang out there and they are you’re friends. I think most of the posters here would like it there. But seeing as how they fucked up the site, that’s all you get here now.

clevername 10/14/2013 - 4:54 pm

I’m less worried about “crisis-chat-type,” and more worried about “christ-chat-type.”

I’ll take the former over the latter any day. (though i’ve never even attempted to use crisis-chat)

Dawg 10/14/2013 - 4:56 pm

“The site [ i]s full of ‘crisis-chat-type’ people now anyway.”

Well that’s a pretty condescending statement … could have just as easily said that there used to be a lot over very intelligent and thoughtful people who would post on very serious and deep subjects and that there seems to be more people here who prefer more superficial socialization to trying to examine the deeper mysteries and contradictions of the world and life … or not 😛

shallow dawg

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 4:56 pm

@clevername lol

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 5:07 pm

Ugh.. I’m in so much fucking pain!! …which was what this post was initially about in the first place! 😐

Pum 10/14/2013 - 5:08 pm

WhO nEeDs 2 B cLeVeR wHeN uR hApPy?
Oh wait..

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 5:10 pm

@twinkletoes- Hi there! Who are you talking to? 🙂

Dawg 10/14/2013 - 5:15 pm

pain … now there’s something i can unfortunately relate to all to well.

agony dawg

clevername 10/14/2013 - 5:19 pm

@RT: had to be you or i…

@twinkletoes: i was being extremely sarcastic, and mis-attributing the resuming of activity in this thread, to the existence of a God. Obviously, the activity in this thread is due to people, not any Gods. Get it?

It is my opinion that the most accurate and justifiable interpretation of observable reality must certainly indicate the absence of any such being, and produce the understanding that there almost certainly is no God. I am satisfied with my understanding of the lack of any evidence or indication of any such being, that i often assert “there is no god, and to deny the obvious and believe anyway, is at best, foolish.”

But if we get all scientific, then no one can really be 100% certain that there is, or isn’t, a God. It’s just that we have no evidence that any such being has interacted with our observable world, in any way, so it is pretty ludicrous to simply assume and vehemently believe that any God exists, since there is nothing but fables and a very old and dubious book, indicating any such thing.

My problem is that people who believe there is a god, despite lack of evidence, often commit actions and judge others, based on that particular belief being true… but there is no reason to believe it is true, except to remain accepted by certain groups who have all agreed to behave as though they actually believe that an actual god exists. It’s just so bizarre, and it causes lots of problems, many of which have directly or indirectly, negatively impacted my life. And that’s not really okay with me… but all too often, although i try, i cannot avoid being impacted by that.

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 5:20 pm

It’s not about that. You don’t need to be a genius to respect peoples opinions and say ‘this is what I think how about you?’ There was nothing to prove, it wasn’t about trying to persuade people; it was more about exploring. It helps when you find the topic or the person interesting and think ‘hey, I wonder what this guys going to say’.

But you can’t really take the site seriously nowadays. It’s a joke.

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 5:20 pm

My body is a piece of shit 🙁

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 5:23 pm

God damn the pain!!!

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 5:27 pm

I mean I wasn’t here back when the old old old members were but when I read some of the post in the archive from the past years….the comments and post seem to follow the same topics as now….I don’t see much of a difference but maybe I’m missing something I mean I wasn’t here so I can’t accurately compare back then with now…

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 5:34 pm

In my experience, the people I’ve encountered on here generally have a low level of competency and understanding.

Procel 10/14/2013 - 5:36 pm

@pain, we may have had frivolous times back then but everyone was helped and listened to, there wasnt posts for the sake of seeing how many comments could be made and wether they could break four hundred or whatever, it was a tighter place with more support than now. nearly every old timer will tell you the same id wager, thats probably why the likes og good girl, solitary walker, causeway, dream boat, nicky and loads of others never come here any more, i love ye guys like family dont get me wrong but… that this place is getting worse and worse, way more crap on here.
@Rt yo bro, you taking anything for it?

clevername 10/14/2013 - 5:38 pm


The problem with exploration is that sometimes you find things you might wish you hadn’t. Any explorer should be prepared to encounter things they don’t want to find, which sometimes includes people who think or feel or say or do, or base their perception and actions upon, things you will not approve of.

It seems like you’re making a somewhat noble assumption that everyone is supposed to respect all other people’s views, even the incompatible and contradictory ones, by default. While i suppose that’s a good and justified characteristic to include in any initial approach (give everyone a chance to earn respect), it does not automatically follow that such an aspect must be maintained, despite finding traits one might not wish to encounter, honor, or encourage.

There is no rule that says i have to approve of that which i must preclude from approval, just like there is no rule that says that anyone else has to like me, or agree with me, or even give me a chance to express what i wish to convey. There is no obligation in interaction. I can choose to begin, and you can choose to walk away, or vice versa.

What really sucks is when you talk to someone for hours, thinking they’re pretty great or interesting… and then eventually, they finally reveal something that negates any further desire to interact with them… or vice versa. That’s a lot of wasted time and energy. I prefer to be as direct as possible, as soon as possible, because i am quite sure that i will have to sort through countless people, for an indefinite amount of time, to find any with whom i might actually find a mutual desire to continue interaction. Very few people will be compatible with me, and i will be compatible with very few people… and far fewer are the chances for both sides of that potential interaction to actually agree, and result in a new friendship where both are mutually interested in maintaining it.

If i decide someone is unacceptable to me, i would prefer they know as soon as possible, because i don’t like wasting their time, or mine, and i would hope someone else would do that for me, should they find me unacceptable. If we could all just agree not to waste each other’s time and energy, and to strive to avoid harmful impacts to others, as a general rule of human decency, maybe the world would be a better place. But since i can’t just go around arbitrarily expecting such things, i take initiative and focus my efforts in such ways, because if i want something done right, i must do it myself, rather than just waiting around for any/everyone else to do what i wish would happen.

There is nothing stopping anyone from exploring… except the explorers, and those being explored. Some people see right away, indications that they should not explore, and/or would not find something they want, by exploring that place/person. Some people don’t want anyone to explore them. They just want to say what they want to say, have everyone accept it as it is, for what it is, and tell them they’re right and good and that everything will be fine. Some people want “support,” rather than help with getting to the sources of the causes of their effects. I tend to disagree with that approach, because we shouldn’t be encouraging things to stay the bad ways they have become; we should be striving to solve problems that make us miserable.

Pum 10/14/2013 - 5:39 pm

Well I think I would probably comment more here and join in on different topics / conversations if I could make sense and actually formulate proper sentences. Also, it would help if I valued my own opinions, like there’s no point posting my opinion if I don’t have faith in it, because who would care about the opinion of someone who didn’t value their own?
^ see can’t even write sentences that makes sense, just confusing jibberish.
But that’s also why I never respond to comments on my own posts, I value everyone else’s opinion above my own and so I don’t bother challenge theirs.

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 5:47 pm

I’ll be honest, I regret having any involvement with most of the people from this site. There are only a few that I trust and care about.

Pum 10/14/2013 - 5:49 pm

I tend to stick to myself a lot and not get too involved with anyone, in everyday life and in online life. Sure it’s a lot more lonely that way but it avoids unnecessary complications.

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 5:55 pm

@Duke of Marmalade:

Why is the whole site a joke as opposed to just parts of it (even if it is most of the parts)?

I guess I’m just curious what you are comparing it to. Have you been on other sites like this that are better or was SP better in the past?

Just to be up front, I’m not looking for any ammo to hit you with. You strike me as an interesting person to talk to even though we really haven’t done so.

I’ve only been on here off and on since 9-1-2013. If you’d like to, just email me your thoughts. I’d greatly appreciate it.

I have no idea how long I’m sticking around. I have no “friendships” on this site and do not deal in gossip.

jefferywissman @ gmail . com

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 5:57 pm

@ DoM and Pum

Sounds like you both understand discretion. I think that is very wise.

Duke of Marmalade 10/14/2013 - 6:19 pm

When will you see, I haven’t lost anything but you have.

10 posts per day would appear from new people ready to die. Now, you won’t get one.

Now, they can crawl in a hole and die- out of sight out of mind.

Former posters decide to become mods and delete all the posts and ban the users they don’t like. It’s only because I complained about it, the rules changed and HHM was resurrected.

We like broken hearts not lost causes. Just like them.

clevername 10/14/2013 - 6:23 pm

How can anyone else have a better, more accurate, more informed, more reasonably justifiable opinion of you, than your own opinion of yourself?

What you’re getting at makes perfect sense, Pum. Maybe you just need to be patient with yourself as you work to improve the degree of precision of your communication. It’s hard to have conviction about any particular statement, if you are unable to state exactly what you mean.

Your own opinion is the one you should care most about, but you don’t have to have an opinion about everything.

And there’s nothing wrong with valuing the opinion of someone else who is either more educated or better informed on any particular issue. It’s good to leave yourself open to learning things that might be different than what you expected.

clevername 10/14/2013 - 6:30 pm

“We like broken hearts not lost causes. Just like them.”

This is why people like me end up isolated. No one likes lost causes.

jswissman 10/14/2013 - 6:33 pm


Unfortunately I don’t know what you are talking about because I haven’t been on here long. I take it from your POV, I should just saddle up. I don’t know what HHM is, or any of the personal politics that have ruined the site as I would have gotten here well after all of that happened.

Best to you

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 6:40 pm

@J- if I were you I wouldn’t bother digging too deep. You might get one response and find that actions speak differently! 😉

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 6:56 pm

I just read the HHM post. There was random convo on there as well, it’s not as serious as people make it out to be, like it’s the “life blood” of this site. This site has proven since its beginning that it’s as random as it is today. I also saw a few posters I recognize today! 😉 like procel and Dawg! lol

PainNlife 10/14/2013 - 7:01 pm

I don’t think thats the same one….the one they are talking about was H-H-M that’s how the title looked….I think it was deleted because of all the info on it…it had info about many methods

RealTalk30 10/14/2013 - 7:03 pm

Ugh.. Ok! Thanks bro!

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 12:44 am

The government is saving over 52 billion dollars with this shut down if they keep it going for a year. All it’s doing is hurting common good people. It’s another example of how godless this world is.

Dawg 10/16/2013 - 12:55 am

Oh … but don’t you know it’s god’s will … and he works in mysterious ways … and shit … holy shit, that is 😛

FYI – the original and epic HHM thread is the one by robbieinman

detail dawg

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 1:12 am

That’s the one I read..I think!

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 12:14 pm

I….hate….this…….life 🙁

PainNlife 10/16/2013 - 12:16 pm

Don’t we all?

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 12:18 pm

But I can’t just switch it off

It’s taking everything I have not to brake into tears

I have to force myself to get a grip

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 12:20 pm

Keep in mind I’m surrounded by a hundred grown men

I can’t just hide out away from the world

PainNlife 10/16/2013 - 12:25 pm

Or you could try to find another job that isn’t so demanding and strenuous on you …I’m assuming its a work related problem though so I don’t know

Stendarr's ***** 10/16/2013 - 12:28 pm


I’m fairly sure the original “HHM” post was by a female “Liz” and it included “Exit bag” in the title. It had an incredible amount of comments and it was deleted, I had bookmarked it.

Stendarr's ***** 10/16/2013 - 12:31 pm


Damn, hang in there, man, I’m really feeling for you, maybe you could take a break in a bathroom or something to recollect yourself?

clevername 10/16/2013 - 12:36 pm

robbie’s post seems pretty legit. That’s the only one of ‘those’ that i’ve seen, and i read most of the comments. There’s some very interesting stuff in there.

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 12:39 pm

Even I can admit that there is only on way out of this hell

clevername 10/16/2013 - 12:50 pm

@RT: i don’t want to say “i told you so…”

30+ changes things, especially while aging with injuries like yours. You’re going to have to find a less physical way of doing things, or a way to mitigate the pain to a reliably manageable level.

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 12:59 pm

I want to throw up.

I just want this fucking life to be over already

Where is my strength when I need it most

Usually I can draw strength from the evil things I believe in, do and say..

But instead I feel like I’m being crushed

I feel like there is only weakness inside me

Persephone 10/16/2013 - 1:06 pm

RealTalk, I’m very sorry you’re feeling this way… 🙁
(I haven’t been posting here because it takes too long to scroll down with my phone)
I truly hope that things can improve for you. You’re a great guy, you should not have to suffer like this.

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 1:18 pm

So far today, I’ve told two strangers that I hate my life and I want to die..

I’m sure no one take me seriously.

I just get laughed at

All day people have been laughing at me..

Fortunately when all you feel is pain, words mean little

Procel 10/16/2013 - 1:30 pm

Woa brov im getting this subtle vibe that ur not having a good day, (yes im awsome at picking up hidden clues 😉) what happened? And if ur stuggling to believe in something believe if u do something smart like kill urself ill resurrect u and hand ur ass over to sb for punishment and shes one crazy mofo

Dawg 10/16/2013 - 1:41 pm

@SB – I remember the “Exit Bag” post … that was a good one too and it may have predated robbieinman’s epic “Helium Hood Method” (HHM) thread … but generally when folks are referencing “the HHM thread” it’s robbie’s thread with 660+ comments … the info and data is pretty extensive and there isn’t too much proselytizing and gabbing on it.

@RT … people tend to “laugh off” comments like “i want to die” because it gives them a moral “out” for why they chose not to get involved or offer any assistance or to even be concerned. Should something happen they will simply tell authorities/investigators that you made a passing comment about dying but they simply thought you were joking. To be fair, there isn’t much they could do if they did take your comments seriously … do you really want them reporting you as a danger to yourself and others? that will only get you a straight jacket and a rubber room.

You have my sympathy since i understand your pain all too well – hopefully you can find a way to get by and limit your exposure to physical tasks that aggravate your condition.

All the best

DDG dawg

Stendarr's ***** 10/16/2013 - 1:43 pm


If that’s the one most people are referencing, then why do people say that the HHM post was deleted, when Robbieman’s wasn’t?

Dawg 10/16/2013 - 1:49 pm

It actually was for quite some time … it sat in the deleted posts/trash bin for several months … but that one post was reinstated a few months back because it predated the newer rules … and it was a prime driver of traffic to this site … ask Duke, he can give you a detailed history on that thread’s life in and out of SP jail 😛

literary archaeologist dawg

Stendarr's ***** 10/16/2013 - 1:53 pm


The one that I’m talking about was made in August 2010, the same year, so why would Robbieman’s be resurrected and not the other as well? They were both incredibly resourceful posts that consistently ranked in the “most viewed posts” (when that was still a thing)

Dawg 10/16/2013 - 2:41 pm

I know the one you are referring to … and you are correct – it was a source of excellent info as well … but i don’t have a clue as to where it is or why … it could be the original author pulled it (total speculation) and that may be why it cannot be found anywhere. I just don’t know and i have no insider info … i’d suggest asking a moderator or admin but i fear bringing attention might draw negative attention to the one resource that remains.

i know there has been some speculation that i might be a mod … but i assure you i am not nor have i ever been … and i wouldn’t want to be … i’m just like everybody else … only i’ve been here longer than most … so far

trailblazer dawg

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 2:45 pm

@dawg- I wouldn’t tell anyone who actually cares. And I didn’t mean those people were laughing at what I said.. I just meant people walk by and laugh because I’m in a ditch digging. And there are some more details that I won’t go into that are making things harder right now.

Dawg 10/16/2013 - 2:57 pm

Ahh … my bad … i put the two things together. I get that on occasion too, when i’m working my manual labor job … but i am just polite and smile … i know they are shallow selfish morons who couldn’t and wouldn’t do my job and would end up paying top dollar for someone like me to do it when they need it done … other than that … they simply don’t exist to me. People like that are useless and unworthy of my time and effort to give them any consideration in my thoughts.

priorities dawg

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 3:10 pm

@Dawg- no worries, it’s my bad the way I wrote it out.

It’s just a slap in my face though cuz not only do I have a broken spine (which I can’t just tell anyone) but I’m not even suppose to be digging, but there isn’t anything else for me to do so it’s either this or go broke. 😐

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 3:31 pm

Dear God…

What the fuck!?! How can this be life? How could you let this happen to me?

I didn’t ask to be born, but I try to live.

I didn’t want any of this, but I endure.

Why aren’t you here to account for your irresponsible actions and neglect?

No…you know what?…stay away! Don’t help, don’t care, don’t show…and don’t exist! We don’t want you and we don’t need you. The idea of a “god” is lost and never coming back. Our lives are sorted accordingly and damned from the beginning.

There is nothing I want or deserve in this world..nothing that can make me more of the person I’ve missed out on being my whole life. I just jump and turn to watch the idea of who I am pass me by like so many creatures remaining illusive to understanding. I look left, I look right…I look up… Nothing matters!

I can keep pulling myself through the pain but in the end there is no purpose for me on this earth. Many men go through life letting things happen to them rather than causing an effect in this world. Fists to the wall…fortune and future forgotten. Failure at its peak of impression on my mind. Another 30 years of this is a joke.

I can keep getting up..even when I am broken

I can keep moving forward with no future in site

I can keep maintaining till the earth opens up and swallows all I’ve built in this existence

I can keep fighting…having no ground left to stand on and no desire to win

I can stay alive

I can give myself choices..

..and I can let this world take my choices away.

Fuck you! You owe me for all this!

Dawg 10/16/2013 - 3:32 pm

Again – I don’t give them any consideration … if i do, it’s to consider how well they’d manage after i whack them across the small of the back with a baseball bat … the imagined howl and pleas for mercy and assistance tend to entertain my mind and sometimes a little knowing smile escapes … this tends to make them quickly turn away and change the subject when they see my gaze and see that weird smile … but generally what they think has zero effect on or in my life now, past or future … they may as well not exist to me … i do. not. care.

busy busy dawg

Stendarr's ***** 10/16/2013 - 3:43 pm


Your comment reminded me of a mainstream song, “You Found Me” by the Fray, although its lyrics are not often looked at on a deeper level, it really is a deep song.

“I found God
On the corner of First and Amistad
Where the west
Was all but won
All alone
Smoking his last cigarette
I said, “Where you been?”
He said, “Ask anything”

Where were you
When everything was falling apart?
All my days
Were spent by the telephone
That never rang
And all I needed was a call
That never came”

The narrator in this song is literally speaking to “God”, perhaps after his suicide (“That never came” meaning he is speaking after the fact), accusing God of ignoring him as he waited for a “call” from him while he was living. It’s very metaphorical, but the message in your comment was similar to this.

It’s heartbreaking to see you in this state, RT. I care deeply for you

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 3:44 pm

I just wish not caring took away the pain. I just need a break from this

RealTalk30 10/16/2013 - 3:46 pm

@SB- thank you 💚

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