…therefore I from now on view all males as evil, sex-obsessed douchebags, who spoil life’s only redemption, love, by feigning it in order to have sex.
Therefore, I’m becoming a stripper. It’s not like men respect me when I take time to befriend them, am educated, work hard, and dress modestly. I might as well beat them at their own selfish game. Not even that, but, all of the love, romance, and sweet hope I had kept in my heart for an honest gentle man, is gone. I’m jaded. As far as I’m concerned the last decent man died in a car crash six months ago.
I may as well make some money, enough to return to Italy as I’ve always dreamed and die on a cliff in Cinque Terre.
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Hah. Don’t lump me in with them.
Taking their money to buy a ticket from here sounds like a win to me. If you don’t agree, well than, I don’t really care actually.
@dukeofmarmalade–
I’m definitely generalizing, I’m aware of that. But, giving men the benefit of the doubt hasn’t worked in my favor, so I’m changing my strategy.
1. nothing wrong with wanting sex
2. females perpetuate the requirement of “love” to access sex
3. you’re apparently attracted to men who displease you in such a way… and so you’ve decided to assume that all men are bad, based on your limited sample?
Most men likely expect females to play games with their emotions, and make “the game” rules require them “feign” affection, in order to access their desired goals. They expect this because it is often true. Therefore, the only choice is to either play the game the only way it can be played, or choose not to pursue, and most guys will not simply choose not to pursue, because sex, if done right, is awesome. So really, you shouldn’t blame them for doing what you make necessary to get what they want. Most people are willing to do whatever it takes to enjoy their lives, including embellishing their attraction to someone’s personality, in order to be allowed to gain the most mutually pleasurable experiences of their body.
On one hand, it’s incredibly sexist and quite ridiculous to say that no man deserves the privilege of your love… but on the other, what is so great about YOUR love, that any man should want it? What is so special about you, that must first be “deserved,” by any man, prior to being allowed the privilege of it?
@noonoo12–
It’s not as if I’m given any respect. I’m just a piece of trash and have always been. Obviously you are better than I and contain some pure superior logic and judgement.
Good for you.
@whyohwhysky
Being abused is a lot worse than just being used. There’s a difference. And some of us actually know what it’s like.
Do what you want. See how that one works out for you.
@clevername
Nothing. I’m not special at all, hence why I’m alone and rejected.
I love sex and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with desiring it. In fact, I’m tired of having to dress conservatively, and make men “wait” for it, in order to gain respect, which I never even recieve, just to avoid a seeming like the proverbial slut for enjoying sex.
I’m aware this post is a huge generalization. I thought that my distorted logic and lack of hope was clear enough to explain my fucked up thoughts.
@noonoo12
Don’t understand why you’re so hostile. Who are you to say which is better?
And it’s only “abuse” if you categorize getting naked in front of strangers as “abuse”. I don’t see it that way as I’m receiving money and no one touches me unless I choose that.
Never been sexually/physically abused in my life, but I’m quite certain being abused is much more traumatizing than being “used” which can be argued happens to every human being, everyday.
I’m not being hostile. This is how I “talk”.
Neither is better.
I don’t categorise getting naked in front of strangers as abuse. I categorise having those strangers touch you against your will as “abuse”. If they want to touch you, chances are they will, with or without consent. It’s an…. occupational hazard. You might want to think about that.
Everybody gets used at some point, not everyone gets sodomised.
@noonoo12–
Again, I’ll be compensated, as well as it being my choice. And you already, and continue, equating abuse with stripping. I’m sorry you were abused. No one should EVER go through that. But, possibly getting touched by men when I’m doing a job that arouses them, isn’t abuse.
Most strip clubs don’t allow men to touch, especially grope, the strippers.
Not sure where sodomy comes into this discussion, but yeah obviously no one gets sodomized and neither will I with this desired occupation.
Yeah, stick to what you know and no one can blame you for that. It depends. Most people are vulnerable but I think excluding all men might be over-the-top. If people on here really knew what I thought I think they’d have an even lower opinion of me than they already have.
If you’re okay with it, then there’s no issue. It will eat away at you eventually, whether you’re fine with it or not.
You don’t understand what I’m trying to get at and I don’t have the right words to properly convey it. So I’ll leave it.
@Duke I doubt many people on here have a low opinion of you unless you personally offended them. You’re probably imagining things.
@whyohwhy As long as it’s what you want and no one is forcing you into something, it should be fine. If you try it and it’s not your style, you can quit. Simple.
Italy is awesome. Live in a nice villa and enjoy yourself for a while before you do anything dramatic.
I think we all see things from our own perspective and whether it’s right or wrong is irrelevant, I’m moving to Gloucester at the end of the month so I doubt I’ll encounter any problems there anyway for obvious reasons.
@Duke Well, that’s cool. I wish I could be moving at the end of the month. There’s nowhere left I can go in this country without fear of a sniper after me (lol), so I think I’d have to escape to my neighboring country. You know it’s bad when it gets to that point. Nothing wrong with the country-next-door, however. I’d enjoy experiencing the culture there for a while.
@noonoo12–
I think you shoul understand that a history of abuse frames a lot of your perspective. I’ imagine that for you, yes, stripping would trigger you immensly, leading it to degrade your self-worth. But, unless you have been a stripper, or know me well, you are simply guessing as to its effects on me. I just see a room full of horny men with money. Just as if I took a stroll to a strip club for women, I’d be throwing cash at men in firemen uniforms.
Same difference.
We all die, in the end and it all counts for nothing so as long as I’m one of the few that accepts this, I don’t have much to lose. I never had anything to lose, when you think about it. Shit happens but I was a good person.
Then I’m not simply guessing am I. Give it a try and see how you feel. Who knows? You might like it for all I know.
@Duke You know, nobody has much to lose really. It’s all transitory. Everything has whatever value you apply to it, no more; hence why ‘freedom,’ whether it is an illusion or not, is the most valuable asset a person can have.
If one is a good person, at least they know they did what they could. You can’t dislike yourself in that instance. It’s been the same for me.
“We all die, in the end and it all counts for nothing”
^This
@noonoo12
Your logic makes no sense. Go disappear.
Kill yourself.
I’m out.
wow this escalated, nice to know we can all get along like human beings…
@noonoo12 (no spaces) crimson – trickle@ hotmail.com
email me?
Jeesh….such hostility
@PainNlife makes you glad your leaving eh man?
@Persephone:
“You know, nobody has much to lose really. It’s all transitory.”
I dig your reasoning. I try and tell myself this, that life is just a collection of experiences and our reactions towards them. I think I tend to get too caught up in my feelings. Thanks mom and dad for not teaching me self-control.
Lol, @noonoo12
Ouch that hurts. You display such mature argumenation. 🙂
@procel…. well I can’t say it doesn’t….things like this are normal in everyday life….the problem is its normal
Throwing yourself off a cliff isn’t necessarily harder than climbing up a stripper pole. Not everyone has what it takes to be a stripper. You know how parents will sometimes tell their kids “you can do anything you set your mind to”? That isn’t true.
Not everyone can be an astronaut, an Olympic athlete, the president, a rocket scientist, or a stripper. I’m not saying you shouldn’t chase after your dreams, but only a select few are able to break into the upper echelon of premier exotic dancing.
If you have a demo tape, like a video you’d like to post as a resume, put it up on this site and I’ll give you an honest assessment as to whether or not you have what it takes to make serious money in a top tier market. (I’m a bit of an expert in this field).
@pain, well why dont you try and change it?
@C4
This is very true. But again, life is all about perspective. I’m accustomed to attention for my physical appearance, very body-concious and started modeling at 12. The attention doesn’t bother or intimidate me. However, walking a runway or posing for a photographer is a bit different than dancing nude. In my perspective though, jumping off a cliff is mu h more difficult than stripping. I fucking wish I could throw myself off a cliff or live in an Italian villa overlooking the sea. Unfortunately, I need lots of money and a will to live to obtain the latter…
@C4 LOL….. “If you have a demo tape, like a video you’d like to post as a resume, put it up on this site and I’ll give you an honest assessment as to whether or not you have what it takes to make serious money”…. you’re the Roger Ebert of striping huh?
@procel….I don’t have the patience, confidence, motivation or ambition to do so….
LOL “the Roger Ebert of stripping” hahaha
@whyohwhy You’re a model?!? Wow, this site is just full of beautiful people who all want to die. It baffles me. If we all had looks, health, money, friends, a love interest, would we still be on this site? Hm.
@Pain yeah, seems alot of effort alright, best to have a blow out party and go with your boots on
@whyohwhy lol I mean hey thats what it sounds like….
@Persephone…. yeah I looked at all the images with the most comments in the media section….man all the girls on the 1st 2nd and 3rd page were hotties!…. like you’d never think they’d even be on a site like this
@procel…. I hear you dude
should it not be i read you? always been something ive wondered about on here…
I wonder if it has anything to do with a correlation between increased beauty and decreased ability to cope with the inherent ugliness of the real world.
@procel lol same thing man you get what I mean dude….
@clevername….. ehhh I would say no because…..well….I’m ugly and I have a decreased ability to cope with the inherent ugliness of the real world.
@whyohwhysky; I’m just trying to be helpful. I’ve been dragged into strip clubs all across north America. Mexico, Canada, and I don’t even know how many states in the US where I’ve visited strip clubs. I know what it takes to make it rain dollar bills.
I’ve talked to many strippers. The majority of them have “issues”, (but in all fairness so do plenty of other people who don’t dance undressed for a room full of leering men).
This would be the part where I try to offer you some heartfelt advice. I’ve got nothing except for this: Maybe you just haven’t met any quality guys yet. Maybe you could try experimenting with women. Maybe you should “try out” as a stripper for the SP audience – you know, sort of “test the waters” and see what type of reaction you get. I think that most of the people here would like an opportunity to help you by providing a critique which you could use in furthering your career.
Something to think about, I suppose. Don’t do anything you’re not comfortable with. Again, I’m just trying to lend a helping hand.
@pain, haha just wondering bro.
@Pain Psh, you’re not ugly, stop saying that.
@Persephone ….wouldn’t say it if it weren’t true…
@Pain Any depressed person can say lots of things about themselves that aren’t true.
Pain, well your not exactly unbiased in this are you bro trust persaphone, i would agree with her but im a dude
Here’s a thought:
There are various websites which exist to facilitate the viewing of, and compensation for, certain exhibitionist-type activities, while also acting as a barrier to predictably unwanted contact with strangers.
@PainNlife:
While one might lead to the other, the other doesn’t necessarily lead to the one.
I have repeatedly observed that a higher degree of visual/physical appeal, tends to lead to having more “hope,” elevated “expectations,” and thus, “further to fall,” upon being met with the often predictable disappointments frequently encountered in typical life. Falling further, and more often, hurts more, and causes more damage. This clearly can lead to erosion of coping abilities.
But on the other hand, some people who are less appealing to others, never really even develop that hope and expectation, and so despite having less “distance” to fall, they spend much of their lives in underdeveloped coping realm, and don’t really have any tangible motivation to work harder than pretty people have to work, to achieve anything.
Obviously there are exceptions.
@Persephone:
Any [_____] person can say lots of things about themselves that aren’t true.
A depressed person is more likely to believe that their negative self-perception is indeed true, because their surroundings and interactions often reinforce that belief, possibly, partly, due to that belief already existing… but not always.
In fact, i would surmise that just about everyone both thinks and says things about themselves, which aren’t true. Very few people truly know themselves. Very few people are truly honest with themselves, and others.
@Procel Yup.
@clevername Maybe I’m just not that attractive (I’m really not), but… Wtf? That just… doesn’t make sense to me.
Geez I can’t concentrate today. You guys are all the best but I was supposed to be getting things done. I knew I should have taken another short break from this site. I just mean to pop in now and then but I can’t seem to tear myself away, you’re all so fascinating and you know me, I’m dying of loneliness over here amongst the moose and other assorted wildlife.
I’m inclined to believe Persephone doesn’t have 20-20 vision……
@clevername…..hmm that was an excellent way of putting that into perspective
@clevername That’s correct, yeah.
@Persephone:
It’s weird, being desperately lonely, but simultaneously preferring solitude. But it’s weird in a familiar way.
I’m not sure which thing didn’t make sense to you… i guess it was about pretty people getting used to having a certain amount of attention and interaction, and being less often required to develop real coping skills, whereas an “ugly” person is forced, from the beginning, to learn to cope with their own ugliness, because it affects all of their interactions, and upon realizing most of the world is indeed ugly, it’s not as disappointing or frightening or shocking to them, because they’ve always had to deal with that ugliness, whereas a pretty person is much less likely to have experienced the effects of not being pretty.
Boy, if you could see me — damn I’m handsome: Frightfully damn handsome. If, for a moment, one had the good fortunate to see through the radiant light what emanates my person, they would behold the fairest, most pristine countenance ever to be crafted by that genius Prometheus: so that even poor narcissus would rise from his pond; a chest hewn from marble cut from the loftiest precipice of the highest mountain, skin glazed with the envy of the few blessed by opportunity to observe a moment of my magnificence, eyes penetrating so there was nothing what avoided their gaze, and a smile so embodying magnanimity, yet so genial, that it would melt your very heart.
Good God, if you could see me.
@clevername I’m not actually desperately lonely. That was a joke. I do enjoy the company, however, as I’ve now become accustomed to it and experience nothing beyond surface interactions in real life at the moment, which is sad but preferable according to the area in which I reside.
I guess it didn’t make sense because I have average or unconventional looks and aside from the odd free drink or food or whistling passersby or being used to having a few admirers (which means nothing unless I like them in return), I haven’t found that my looks have changed anything for me. Eh.
I don’t see the world as ‘ugly’ as a default, it all depends on what is present in the moment. To be honest I don’t even think about it. It is what it is, and I’ve never seen it one way or the other. I’ve always been a realist. There are the positive aspects, and the negative aspects. I don’t waste my time putting both on the scales to see which has the greater effect. I couldn’t care less, to be honest. “There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
Sounds like narcissus himself
@Scar I bow to your mightiness, oh Magnificent One. You just may have surpassed us all (and that’s no easy task).
It has been a great struggle for me in life. People scarcely understand the burden of being extraordinarily beautiful.
I wonder if anybody that complains about being very attractive would trade spots with one of their less attractive peers…. 99.9% wouldn’t…..are you that .1% ?
@Scar I’ve heard that quite often around this site. I think that you and C4 might have a lot in common. As long as you two don’t hate each other or anything (I’m new here so I wouldn’t know), you guys should meet up for a few beers sometime, I’ll tag along, and all the most attractive supermodels will swarm around us. It’ll be fabulous.
Can someone please help me to understand the plight of the beautiful?…..maybe its because I’m on the outside looking in but I just don’t understand it…..people give them looks of admiration not disgust…. people want to interact with them not ignore them……jobs will hired them based off looks alone….some stores only hire beautiful people period….try being ugly and get hired at ambrecombie & finch (not sure if it’s spelled correctly) or hollister or american eagle or any hip fashion store being unattractive….they get better mates, they get paid more, they get better jobs and positions they get the better out of life period….there are some exceptions as with any generalization but for the most part this is true….Please help me understand where the room to complain is? I just don’t understand I need some clarification…..anybody?
@PainNlife
Humans are naturally inclined to favor the physically attractive. This is not conjecture; it is a proven fact (see halo effect). Humans ascribe positive characteristics to the physically attractive: trustworthiness, honesty, morality, courage, positive work ethic, etc.
Unfortunately, though I am exceedingly beautiful, physical appearance has nothing to do with anything, save itself. Thus the plight of the beautiful.
You sound like a girl who has her standards a little bit too high. Lower them and you’ll see that there are plenty of nice and loving guys out there.
One might expect that “anyone with half a brain,” would realize the artificiality of this false ascription of positive characteristics based entirely upon superficial physical traits, and then question it, and consider the alternatives; those who are less likely to be automatically trusted for no reason other than being “pretty,” are actually far more likely to develop actual character, and go out of their own way to gain favor with others. But that doesn’t mean we should just automatically trust “ugly” people, due to that same sense of desperation in gaining favor with others. The harder the challenge, the more likely that subversion of the rules will occur.
further:
and for me, i consider it a reasonably justifiable result, that i am automatically skeptical and suspicious of anyone who obviously wields such an exploitable power, that can be easily used for deception. If i think someone is visibly more likely to lie, then it will be almost impossible for them to earn my trust… though i will give them A CHANCE, to do so.
i love strippers…
If someone is beautiful, I will just hand them all of my money on the spot. It’s natural, so it must be right.
…therefore I from now on view all males as evil, sex-obsessed douchebags, who spoil life’s only redemption, love, by feigning it in order to have sex.
A lot of men are like this. But I also know a lot of women who are so cruel to their boyfriends/husbands and i just don’t understand how they can be so cruel. Alot of women i know irl use really sweet guys for their money and the guys love them so much. Men or women there is good and bad in both. I have one internet friend that i have had for years and all he wants is to find a female to love him and that he loves. He doesnt care about looks age or anything else..but he is always getting passed up by females and he is one of the most kind guys i have ever met. I know for a fact he would give his last dime away to make someone happy he has tried to send me money when i was having problems but i would never take it. He does get used a lot. I think he probably will end up offing himself he is so lonely. It is going to kill me when i eventually loose one of my best friends because women seem to think he isn’t good enough or something. Idk what is wrong with people,, then maybe nothing is wrong with the “mean people” maybe its the ones who care too much and don’t do things like that who have the messed up problems, i wonder this myself sometimes because where i live is a bad place and nearly everyone treats each other bad.
Well..
Do you choose your partners or let them choose you? I know it’s sort of traditional to let the guys do the work but .. hey.. give it a shot.. pick some interesting fellow and say ” Hey.. you’re not objectifying me and you’re reading a book.. Somehow i find that appealing. ” this might not work initially.. he might squeal and run away.. but.. keep at it.
and if you’re going to cinque terra to play on the cliffs.. Muzzerone 🙂 might as well climb
@Roak
I went through a faze where I pursued men consistently. It worked out…only twice. Lately it seems as though I’ve entered a period of considerable misfortune; My judgement of character failed me, encountering men who simply seek to use me.
@iamerror73
My standards lower with each hurtful man. Currently, I just seek an attentive, shy, open-minded man, who simply wants me as much as I do him. Who wants to settle down with me in a quiet life. That is all.