So they say, have no expectations and life will be easier. If you have no expectations you can’t get disappointed right?
Well then, if i have no expectations, why would I even bother to get outta bed? If I don’t expect my life to get better, why would I even try? There is no progress without expectation. There will be no Drive.
It makes no sense to me having no expectation, sounds more hopeless than disappointment. To want nothing sound ridiculous.
Help me understand this. Do they just mean to lower your expectations rather than totally eliminate your expectations. Even lowering your expectations seems to show a lack of faith in your own abilities. How is this any better than disappointment?
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I don’t think i’d take it as far as “NO expectations…” but certainly try to have realistic and appropriate expectations.
Why would you bother to get out of bed? Well, because if you don’t, you can’t earn income to afford your own life, which means homeless and starving. Homeless and starving is not what you want.
Align your expectations with reality, and know yourself well enough to know what you can do, and what you should be doing, and where to put your efforts, so that they may produce the best gains.
And of course having zero expectation is “more hopeless than disappointment.” Disappointment is all about having too much inappropriate hope and elevated expectations. So, obviously, lacking any expectations would necessarily be “more hopeless.” The point is: stop hoping for things that aren’t going to happen, and then being upset when they don’t.
I doubt it’s possible for any rational, functional mind, to literally eliminate ALL expectation. You’re always going to expect something, no matter how small or insignificant… because cause and effect. When you observe the cause, you can “expect” that it will have the effect it will produce. If it doesn’t do what you expected, then your assessment must have been wrong, which means you didn’t understand the relationship between that cause and the effect it would produce.
I’m trying to imagine what it would be like, to literally have zero expectation… and it seems like the equivalent of mindless drifting. People get institutionalized for that kind of thing. Plus, it’s not like you can rationally put your hand in fire and not expect to burn, or take a shower not expecting to get wet.
well I agree with what you said, but how am I suppose to gauge the appropriate amount of expectations or am i analysing this too much? What is a realistic expectation?
I know zero expectation sounds crazy but I keep hearing it said over and over again, and by people who seem to have better lives than I have. I suppose they just “lie” and they actually do have expectations and not just let life unfold without any expectations.
maybe it is not so much about expectations but rather it is about acceptance. like whatever happens you accept it as your reality…
“if you want to change something, you must first accept it…” (paraphrased) -C.G. Jung
I think that is exactly my problems, ACCEPTANCE.
it almost feels like surrender.
I think accepting my reality would require me to look at the tragedy of my own life clearly which is painful. And what if i really can’t find a solution what if I really can’t change it .. urgg i need a drink
Honestly, i learned accidentally, due to my mom encouraging me to play the “what if?” game, as a child. I attribute much of my thought processes and “insight,” to things i don’t think she realized she was teaching me to do… probably because she had no way of knowing how my mind would make use of such strategies. I have an unbelievable amount of practice and experience, trying to predict what will happen, based on any set of circumstances, according to all observable information, but with the variables of knowing that i usually can’t know all of the relevant factors. Sometimes you just know: you’ve seen enough of the relevant factors to make an accurate prediction about what the result of the conditional set will be.
So idk how to tell someone else how to do it, except to observe, assess, analyze, and strive for a fluid understanding of the world.
Then again, maybe i should never tell anyone to think or act based on my methods, since i have not found what most people would call “success in life.” Or maybe my methods would have been highly productive, with a compatible set of circumstances.
Try not to waste time and energy on pursuits that you can determine will not produce the results that motivate your pursuit. Don’t waste yourself on something you can’t do… but don’t just go ruling everything out, without really digging into it, enough to make an “appropriate” determination.
Don’t put all your eggs in one basket… unless it’s a damn good basket.
Look before you leap. Think before you speak. Don’t do stuff to others that you wouldn’t want done to you.
Take care of yourself. Don’t overextend. Don’t promise what you can’t, or don’t fully intend, to deliver. Be honest with yourself… but practice selective disclosure with others; keep your personal shares to a minimum, unless you’ve tested someone for trustworthiness enough to reasonably expect that they are worthy of trust.
Honestly, if i could refine everything i would impart upon others, into a condensed, potent morsel of information, i would. But then i’d have to also produce an elaborate explanation and impenetrable arguments to back up each point, and i just don’t think i can do all that. The physical and time requirements are just too high. My body is not enough for my mind.
sometimes It seems like if I just stop thinking and analysing things to pieces my life would be much simpler, but I can’t. Some tragedies can only be seen when you actively look at your life and your situation.How else will things improve? but It seems never ending, like when you start to repair one thing in the house and you notice everything else needs repairing until you finally just decide your house is no good at all. Your life is no good at all.
i don’t want things to get out of control, but i guess they already have.
What do u mean your body is not enough for your mind, and if you don’t mind me asking what went wrong?
You don’t necessarily have to stop analyzing, just pick your spots. Sometimes it’s entertaining to dissect what is self-evident… but a lot of times, it’s just not necessary… and there are usually more pressing issues requiring in-depth analysis before they can be appropriately or effectively resolved.
Your house analogy is interesting, because while i understand that process, you don’t necessarily need to repair the entire house. A house not in need of extensive repairs, is usually a new house… and new houses cost a lot of money… and so instead of worrying about repairing an old house, worry about making enough money to build a new one. Meanwhile, the current house probably isn’t going to fall apart or collapse… it’s just a bit run down. Things wear out. Just try not to put too much pressure on fragile things… be careful and mindful in your actions, and try not to break it any further, while focusing on bypassing the need for repairs, by seeking a more holistic solution, through building a new house.
And if you have to make some patch jobs or rig something to work, don’t worry about it. As long as it does what it needs to do, it’s not a priority.
If you prioritize the building of a new house, you can construct it so that things are right and sturdy from the start, and then the only requirement is to avoid damaging it, which is usually much easier than making repairs.
And i meant exactly what it says: my body is not enough for my mind. My problems require me to create solutions that don’t already exist, but i haven’t been able to keep my body in good enough condition to be able to actually implement the theories into practice. It’s a “vicious cycle,” sort of like a reverse paradox, combined with a regular paradox. It’s like being both locked in, and locked out, simultaneously, and the longer i’m stuck, the harder (more implausible, ultimately impossible) it becomes, to correct the ever increasing effects of the errors.
There’s no use putting fresh panels on a wall with rotten studs. There’s no use building a new room onto a house with a cracked and sinking foundation. There’s no use building a new foundation on unstable land, in an environment that isn’t where you want to be, full of people you’d rather avoid.
It’s infuriating how important financial security is, but how impossible it is for most people to attain… meanwhile, the value of our currency continues to plummet by design, which causes everything to cost more, while most people can’t even afford to survive and remain healthy. And “survival” just isn’t enough. I require more than mere survival, in order to produce sufficient motivation… and without that motivation, i cannot even merely survive. And while i tend to go on and on about how “i don’t want to live like this,” i actually CAN’T live like this. So either way, death is on the horizon, whether i choose my own conditions, or get flushed away homeless and starving. And the only options i see that are even capable of producing enough wealth for me to recover and have any semblance of “a life,” involve exploiting consumers and endorsing consumerism, thereby exacerbating the problems caused by the source that it would take almost all of us working against in unison, to correct.
What went wrong?
What Didn’t go wrong? lol. It feels like pretty much everything went wrong, except for the stuff i managed to avoid, by following my own methods and principles. Most of the time, factors beyond my control, limited the available choices, from which i was allowed to select… and so all i could ever really do, was try to avoid the worst thing, while never really having any opportunity to advance. The world is fucked up, and all you can really do is try to navigate it in a way that either avoids or mitigates as much of the potential damage as possible. A huge part of that is accepting reality as it is, and learning to be more efficient and discerning with what you allow yourself to spend your time and energy on, which includes what or whether you choose to analyze any particular thing.
so i wrote too much or used flagged words, and my latest novel went to spam.
The body/mind thing…
It’s pretty axiomatic, but i suppose it’s that i realized that the required solutions, while possible, are not possible for me to implement, because my body can’t do what my mind figures out is required. It’s a realm where possible and possible-for-me, are not the same. It’s also partly about how just me, isn’t enough to have a satisfactory life, which means being perpetually and indefinitely alone, is not good enough to produce sufficient motivation… and actually significantly demotivates me. The fact that i can’t do what i need, makes me even less able to do anything at all.
I find ways to devise solutions that should, could work… but i can’t physically advance them, because too much is wrong, and has and will continue to get worse, as long as i lack the ability to generate the recovery and progress i need, which can only come from generating the recovery and progress i need. I can hack this mentally, but not physically. I can’t just think money into my bank account, and i have no way of physically earning enough of it to turn the tides back the other way. So all i can do is watch the disaster unfold. At this point, i have a very hard time seeing it as anything but inevitable. I would if i could, if things would go right… but i’m tired of telling myself “i can,” when all the evidence says i can’t.
Clevername, i just asked that same question of you on another post…..Flagged words? Someone with your appetite for the written word could overcome such a small obstacle?!
Would you enlighten me on your physical issues? I know it is a reoccurring statement for you. I would like to know more if you care to share.
some words trigger the site’s filters to disallow a post from being displayed. One of those words is “p*rtner.* (*=a)
I don’t think i used that word, but there are others, and sometimes those strings are part of other words, and still trigger the filter. I have no idea which word it was, or if it was any specific word at all. I don’t know exactly how the filter works in every case, just that certain strings trigger it.
It’s no big deal, it happens. I understand it can be a huge hassle to properly configure a spam/moderation/censorship filter for a website, especially one with such controversial topics.
interesting…….
How about the Physical limitations you speak of? Not that i am trying to have you answer something that you don’t want to. I am just trying to learn.
Also, one of the problems with workarounds and clever manipulation of rules, is that the rules tend to get adjusted to catch all those alternate words too… ^^
If you defeat the rules in place, the rule-makers will make new and tougher rules. So i try to avoid the need to subvert those rules… but it’s not always possible to avoid, while still saying what i wanted to say. Sometimes i have to just not say.
Once again, well said.
high expectations are for dreamers, xylem, to want what you find a challenge to achieve, normal expectations are easily achievable, set your sights to high and you may achieve them but remember it’s a challenge so if you don’t you will be disappointed, do what you can what you know and have a few high expectations so your not always bummed out.
if lowering of expectation is done out of force or desire, then it will be no better. if it done out of understanding, then it will help tremendously.
so I guess a balance between realistic and unrealistic expectations to have enough challenge but not enough to bring me to this site? 🙂