I’m starting to feel that burden of being all alone.
I don’t even know where to begin anymore..
Without that other person, it’s hard to understand where exactly I’ve been all these years..who have I been?
Will I ever really be whole again?
I was going to reply with a long ass answer about how i’ve been there and what i think about all of this… but i’m pretty sure you know the answer yourself. It’s only a matter of time, even if the process usually eats you from the inside until you are able to overcome it. Hope you get there sooner or later (hopefully sooner).
That’s the trick everyone is dealing with. Trying to find the point where you realize that no one can make you whole. Placing your happiness and wholeness into the hands of another person doesn’t work. It’s a fools game you’re bound to lose. The trick is to be whole and happy just the way you are. Nothing more needs to be added. No people, no things, no situations…just you..happy and whole.
Yeah I’ve been telling myself all that since I wrote this. And you are right.
Truth is I’ve always felt I’m a set person, and really I can’t help but need someone else to focus on. I know I just need to work and focus on myself.. It’s just so fucking lonely.
But I know it’s my mind playing games with my feelings, causing me to act on impulse.
I just need some one to talk to.. But I don’t want to put myself out there like that.. Fuck!!
My head is a mess..
I just want to be ok with being alone so I can feel whole with out depending on that other person (I say incredibly slowly to myself)
“Loneliness does not come from having no people about one, but from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to oneself, or from holding certain views which others find inadmissible.”
-C.G. Jung
“I must also have a dark side if I am to be whole.”
-C.G. Jung
“The fact that a man who goes his own way ends in ruin means nothing…He must obey his own law, as if it were a daemon whispering to him of new and wonderful paths…There are not a few who are called awake by the summons of the voice, whereupon they are at once set apart from the others, feeling themselves confronted with a problem about which the others know nothing. In most cases it is impossible to explain to the others what has happened, for any understanding is walled off by impenetrable prejudices. “You are no different from anybody else,” they will chorus or, “there’s no such thing,” and even if there is such a thing, it is immediately branded as “morbid”…He is at once set apart and isolated, as he has resolved to obey the law that commands him from within. “His own law!” everybody will cry. But he knows better: it is the law…The only meaningful life is a life that strives for the individual realization–absolute and unconditional–of its own particular law…To the extent that a man is untrue to the law of his being…he has failed to realize his own life’s meaning.
The undiscovered vein within us is a living part of the psyche; classical Chinese philosophy names this interior way “Tao,” and likens it to a flow of water that moves irresistibly towards its goal. To rest in Tao means fulfillment, wholeness, one’s destination reached, one’s mission done; the beginning, end, and perfect realization of the meaning of existence innate in all things.”
-C.G. Jung
“The highest, most decisive experience is to be alone with one’s own self. You must be alone to find out what supports you, when you find that you can not support yourself. Only this experience can give you an indestructible foundation.”
-C.G. Jung
“I don’t aspire to be a good man. I aspire to be a whole man.”
-C.G. Jung
“It is under all circumstances an advantage to be in full possession of one’s personality, otherwise the repressed elements will only crop up as a hindrance elsewhere, not just at some unimportant point, but at the very spot where we are most sensitive. If people can be educated to see the shadow-side of their nature clearly, it may be hoped that they will also learn to understand and love their fellow men better. A little less hypocrisy and a little more self-knowledge can only have good results in respect for our neighbor; for we are all too prone to transfer to our fellows the injustice and violence we inflict upon our own natures.”
-C.G. Jung
“The doctor is effective only when he himself is affected. Only the wounded physician heals”
-C.G. Jung
“A man who has not passed through the inferno of his passions has never overcome them.”
-C.G. Jung
“The secret is that only that which can destroy itself is truly alive.”
-C.G. Jung
Ok..now, a little of that made sense..
But honestly, I really don’t understand a lot of Jung’s philosophy.
I’m sure of who I am as a person! I’m sure that I’m a complete basket case without some one to focus my attention on. It’s weird cuz I don’t want that person to consume my life, I just want them to be there when I need them..kinda like magic. And that’s selfish I know. At least it sounds that way. It’s all crazy.. I want everything but I also want nothing kinda like for my own safety.
This is fucking up my mind.. I’m getting major anxiety. Trying to keep steady at work but it’s overwhelming. My eyes are all bugged out and I feel like I’m gonna explode or …jump
well, i pretty much cherry pick the parts i think are relevant to any given situation. There were a few more, but… it’s already a rather large list of quotes.
You’re talking about being lonely, and he says a lot about the appreciation of solitude, and how it can help you learn things you otherwise might never consider.
I certainly understand the desire for a someone… but, at least partially like you said above, i don’t want to put myself out there like that, to make myself vulnerable to people i’m not comfortable trusting. Honestly, it’s quite rare for me to encounter anyone i feel comfortable with; not because i’m “picky” or “judgmental,” but because i know myself well enough, and have lots of experience with “reading people,” so, and because, i want to identify irreconcilable incompatibilities before i get hurt by them (and secondarily, to avoid also wasting the other person’s time).
I think the best thing you can do is try to shed that need for another, embrace your loneliness, try to better understand it, live by your own law, explore your “shadow,” pass through the fires of those passions (e.g. the need for another), in order to conquer them. In so doing, you’re also becoming the “doctor” who can heal loneliness, because he’s been there, and has a personal understanding of how it works.
I worry that what you crave cannot be found in another person… though we’re all lead to believe that is the only way it can be found.
As long as you allow for there to be a tomorrow, there can be. Maybe tomorrow you will be ready to put yourself in the position to find, and be found by, a person such as you seek. Maybe tomorrow you will be more interested in an inward journey… or to embrace that highest, most decisive experience for which you are not ready, today.
Try to enjoy what you’re doing.
“Freedom of will is the ability to do gladly that which I must do.”
-C.G. Jung
Yeah..that’s all right and true, I know it..but there’s a part of me that doesn’t “feel” it to be true, inside. I feel whole, when I stand back and look at my life. I see a whole person ready for life. But there’s nothing to enjoy without that smile from some one else. My smile doesn’t mean anything to me when there is no one. I want to be enough for me but its just not enough. I deserve more. I’m not closed off, I’m not weird, I’m not a creep and I’m not ugly!! I’m funny and outgoing and smart and successful in my own right! I have the power in my hands to move people like they’ve never felt. I can break steel with my bare hands but I can’t just let go of needing another life to keep me sane
I’ve never felt so fucking backwards in my life. This mind and this body want to move forward so bad.. And it is.. But where is it pushing me idk
Just keep doing what you gotta do, and keep an eye out for the thirsty ones.
I thought of a few more in a flash, but then lost it.
So here’s this one:
“What you resist, persists”
Stop resisting the loneliness and just let it be, for now. Take slower deep breaths and focus on the task at hand.
And remember that just because you might not see a smile before you, that doesn’t have to mean it’s not there. There could be any number of people at any given moment, smiling at anything you’ve previously shown or shared. You might not currently have the option of a close intimate relationship with a special someone, but there are smiles out there, to which you have contributed… even if they aren’t worn by the faces you’d prefer.
I like those Jung quotes. It sounds like he’s saying that you have to be comfortable in your own skin. Accept yourself as you are; look within instead of seeking fulfillment from external sources.
Jung’s outlook seems to parallel Buddhist philosophy.
This idea of basing your self worth on your relationship status: Why? You’re you whether you’re in a relationship or not. You don’t need a “better half” to make you “whole”.
I realize that you’re in pain. Good luck, dude.
Yeah, a lot of Jung’s stuff does indeed seem to parallel Buddhist philosophy (which, i would argue is what Buddhism actually is: philosophy).
Jung has some… very interesting ways of interpreting the world, and i like most of them. He was at least intellectually honest, and willing to explore the path of intuition, rather than trying to intellectualize everything. He does however reference something called “God” and “souls,” but it’s clear to me that he’s not talking about what most would assume those words mean. To him, those words represented something entirely different than how they are typically used.
I like this one too: “show me a sane man and i will cure him for you.”
I think he’s implying that the inward journey through the “shadow,” toward full realization and acceptance of one’s true self, can be terrifying and maddening, and will most likely make the unprepared feel quite insane. At least, until they come out the other side (like in 46 and 2 by Tool… which is about the shadow concept, and being in the midst of crossing an evolutionary gap)… and that in order to truly cure someone of their “neurosis,” this process must be completed.
PainNLife just emailed me back. He’s getting by ok and said not to worry about him… I guess that means we should be worried?! lol hope he really is ok.
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I was going to reply with a long ass answer about how i’ve been there and what i think about all of this… but i’m pretty sure you know the answer yourself. It’s only a matter of time, even if the process usually eats you from the inside until you are able to overcome it. Hope you get there sooner or later (hopefully sooner).
Thank you
That’s the trick everyone is dealing with. Trying to find the point where you realize that no one can make you whole. Placing your happiness and wholeness into the hands of another person doesn’t work. It’s a fools game you’re bound to lose. The trick is to be whole and happy just the way you are. Nothing more needs to be added. No people, no things, no situations…just you..happy and whole.
Yeah I’ve been telling myself all that since I wrote this. And you are right.
Truth is I’ve always felt I’m a set person, and really I can’t help but need someone else to focus on. I know I just need to work and focus on myself.. It’s just so fucking lonely.
But I know it’s my mind playing games with my feelings, causing me to act on impulse.
I just need some one to talk to.. But I don’t want to put myself out there like that.. Fuck!!
My head is a mess..
I just want to be ok with being alone so I can feel whole with out depending on that other person (I say incredibly slowly to myself)
It’s suffocating not having anyone..
Or were you ever really whole?
“Loneliness does not come from having no people about one, but from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to oneself, or from holding certain views which others find inadmissible.”
-C.G. Jung
“I must also have a dark side if I am to be whole.”
-C.G. Jung
“The fact that a man who goes his own way ends in ruin means nothing…He must obey his own law, as if it were a daemon whispering to him of new and wonderful paths…There are not a few who are called awake by the summons of the voice, whereupon they are at once set apart from the others, feeling themselves confronted with a problem about which the others know nothing. In most cases it is impossible to explain to the others what has happened, for any understanding is walled off by impenetrable prejudices. “You are no different from anybody else,” they will chorus or, “there’s no such thing,” and even if there is such a thing, it is immediately branded as “morbid”…He is at once set apart and isolated, as he has resolved to obey the law that commands him from within. “His own law!” everybody will cry. But he knows better: it is the law…The only meaningful life is a life that strives for the individual realization–absolute and unconditional–of its own particular law…To the extent that a man is untrue to the law of his being…he has failed to realize his own life’s meaning.
The undiscovered vein within us is a living part of the psyche; classical Chinese philosophy names this interior way “Tao,” and likens it to a flow of water that moves irresistibly towards its goal. To rest in Tao means fulfillment, wholeness, one’s destination reached, one’s mission done; the beginning, end, and perfect realization of the meaning of existence innate in all things.”
-C.G. Jung
“The highest, most decisive experience is to be alone with one’s own self. You must be alone to find out what supports you, when you find that you can not support yourself. Only this experience can give you an indestructible foundation.”
-C.G. Jung
“I don’t aspire to be a good man. I aspire to be a whole man.”
-C.G. Jung
“It is under all circumstances an advantage to be in full possession of one’s personality, otherwise the repressed elements will only crop up as a hindrance elsewhere, not just at some unimportant point, but at the very spot where we are most sensitive. If people can be educated to see the shadow-side of their nature clearly, it may be hoped that they will also learn to understand and love their fellow men better. A little less hypocrisy and a little more self-knowledge can only have good results in respect for our neighbor; for we are all too prone to transfer to our fellows the injustice and violence we inflict upon our own natures.”
-C.G. Jung
“The doctor is effective only when he himself is affected. Only the wounded physician heals”
-C.G. Jung
“A man who has not passed through the inferno of his passions has never overcome them.”
-C.G. Jung
“The secret is that only that which can destroy itself is truly alive.”
-C.G. Jung
Ok..now, a little of that made sense..
But honestly, I really don’t understand a lot of Jung’s philosophy.
I’m sure of who I am as a person! I’m sure that I’m a complete basket case without some one to focus my attention on. It’s weird cuz I don’t want that person to consume my life, I just want them to be there when I need them..kinda like magic. And that’s selfish I know. At least it sounds that way. It’s all crazy.. I want everything but I also want nothing kinda like for my own safety.
This is fucking up my mind.. I’m getting major anxiety. Trying to keep steady at work but it’s overwhelming. My eyes are all bugged out and I feel like I’m gonna explode or …jump
I’m trying to hold it together so bad
well, i pretty much cherry pick the parts i think are relevant to any given situation. There were a few more, but… it’s already a rather large list of quotes.
You’re talking about being lonely, and he says a lot about the appreciation of solitude, and how it can help you learn things you otherwise might never consider.
I certainly understand the desire for a someone… but, at least partially like you said above, i don’t want to put myself out there like that, to make myself vulnerable to people i’m not comfortable trusting. Honestly, it’s quite rare for me to encounter anyone i feel comfortable with; not because i’m “picky” or “judgmental,” but because i know myself well enough, and have lots of experience with “reading people,” so, and because, i want to identify irreconcilable incompatibilities before i get hurt by them (and secondarily, to avoid also wasting the other person’s time).
I think the best thing you can do is try to shed that need for another, embrace your loneliness, try to better understand it, live by your own law, explore your “shadow,” pass through the fires of those passions (e.g. the need for another), in order to conquer them. In so doing, you’re also becoming the “doctor” who can heal loneliness, because he’s been there, and has a personal understanding of how it works.
I worry that what you crave cannot be found in another person… though we’re all lead to believe that is the only way it can be found.
As long as you allow for there to be a tomorrow, there can be. Maybe tomorrow you will be ready to put yourself in the position to find, and be found by, a person such as you seek. Maybe tomorrow you will be more interested in an inward journey… or to embrace that highest, most decisive experience for which you are not ready, today.
Try to enjoy what you’re doing.
“Freedom of will is the ability to do gladly that which I must do.”
-C.G. Jung
Yeah..that’s all right and true, I know it..but there’s a part of me that doesn’t “feel” it to be true, inside. I feel whole, when I stand back and look at my life. I see a whole person ready for life. But there’s nothing to enjoy without that smile from some one else. My smile doesn’t mean anything to me when there is no one. I want to be enough for me but its just not enough. I deserve more. I’m not closed off, I’m not weird, I’m not a creep and I’m not ugly!! I’m funny and outgoing and smart and successful in my own right! I have the power in my hands to move people like they’ve never felt. I can break steel with my bare hands but I can’t just let go of needing another life to keep me sane
I’ve never felt so fucking backwards in my life. This mind and this body want to move forward so bad.. And it is.. But where is it pushing me idk
You can lead a horse to water. ^^
Just keep doing what you gotta do, and keep an eye out for the thirsty ones.
I thought of a few more in a flash, but then lost it.
So here’s this one:
“What you resist, persists”
Stop resisting the loneliness and just let it be, for now. Take slower deep breaths and focus on the task at hand.
And remember that just because you might not see a smile before you, that doesn’t have to mean it’s not there. There could be any number of people at any given moment, smiling at anything you’ve previously shown or shared. You might not currently have the option of a close intimate relationship with a special someone, but there are smiles out there, to which you have contributed… even if they aren’t worn by the faces you’d prefer.
I like those Jung quotes. It sounds like he’s saying that you have to be comfortable in your own skin. Accept yourself as you are; look within instead of seeking fulfillment from external sources.
Jung’s outlook seems to parallel Buddhist philosophy.
This idea of basing your self worth on your relationship status: Why? You’re you whether you’re in a relationship or not. You don’t need a “better half” to make you “whole”.
I realize that you’re in pain. Good luck, dude.
Yeah, a lot of Jung’s stuff does indeed seem to parallel Buddhist philosophy (which, i would argue is what Buddhism actually is: philosophy).
Jung has some… very interesting ways of interpreting the world, and i like most of them. He was at least intellectually honest, and willing to explore the path of intuition, rather than trying to intellectualize everything. He does however reference something called “God” and “souls,” but it’s clear to me that he’s not talking about what most would assume those words mean. To him, those words represented something entirely different than how they are typically used.
I like this one too: “show me a sane man and i will cure him for you.”
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Fuck’n hell!! O.o now Jung is trying to heal sane men?? Fuck!!
lol. Yeah that one’s got some depth to it.
I think he’s implying that the inward journey through the “shadow,” toward full realization and acceptance of one’s true self, can be terrifying and maddening, and will most likely make the unprepared feel quite insane. At least, until they come out the other side (like in 46 and 2 by Tool… which is about the shadow concept, and being in the midst of crossing an evolutionary gap)… and that in order to truly cure someone of their “neurosis,” this process must be completed.
PainNLife just emailed me back. He’s getting by ok and said not to worry about him… I guess that means we should be worried?! lol hope he really is ok.
🙁 holy shit…
I had no idea I’ve been talking to an angel this whole time… (Completely irrelevant from what’s being talked about here)
@CN- thanks man, I really appreciate the digging for quotes to help me out.
@C4- you too man thanks a lot.
Now I have bigger issues in my head I guess.. And I’m not sure I ever want to shake them..