I wonder what the effect was on substance abuse and need for medical care. Probably positive as well.
Tells me how gaslit that I was that my first thought was “You go paying everyone’s bills, they won’t want to do anything” because I hear it so often, and I didn’t realize I had internalized it. I legit for a minute thought UBI might increase depression.
Oh, I’d also want to look at what happened to food and housing prices in the area. And how does it work if you move in? Are they still at it? I could live in Canada. I could live on $15k a year (in THAT climate)
dude, they pay ppl to move to Alaska. If you can hack that kind of cold, in the rural parts of AK, then the govt will give you money (they want ppl to move in to the less populated rural areas). PLUS, you’d also get oil money as a resident of AK. win-win. I’d do it if I wasn’t sick and can’t hack anything other than moderate temps.
Yeah there are other substantial bribes… I mean economic incentives for Alaska. For example their universities really need academics willing to live up there, if I could hack it I might still have an academic career
but it’s not the cold, or more accurately it isn’t just the cold. The first major issue is permafrost. It’s as hard as rock in the winter, but if the summer gets too warm it turns into swamp. Similarly, there are ground water issues making it really hard to build below ground, and that is the main deterrent to me.
But the isolation is the worst. In winter most of the state is only accessable by small plane….. which are intensely dangerous and my wife and I both get air sick. The psychological effect of not being able to drive to town, I couldn’t live with it.
most of all though, I don’t think I could subject my wife and family to that. The incentives are there, and maybe someday these objections won’t be as much of an issue. Really, I can’t get all the way off grid, not in any hypothetical situation. Power? sure. but you get into food, I eat a lot of bread… maybe someday I can learn to bake it? But then we get into my hobbies, I like to tinker with various tech. Having to fly in every single part… I wouldn’t be able to do many projects.
plus, I like my cars and without roads, that’s another big drawback.
It isn’t that much colder than Michigan, and I really think I could handle that one part. Just…. Michigan has world class universities, k-12 schools and cultural hubs. Oh, and rail access to all of New England and the West Coast.
I guess I should have looked into that particular village, might have the same issues.
short term UBI studies always show glowing results in every facet. everything becomes better for ppl with UBI. The working poor don’t quit and become bums. they get education/training/better jobs, and quit their shit jobs.
idk what the longest UBI study was, but the effect on rent/housing would be my only legit concern, if over a longer span, would the rents increase astronomically. Short term it doesn’t. But that’s short term. i suppose one of us could look into that. but UBI will never happen in the US. not when they don’t even give us universal healthcare. and keep upping the retirement age up and up.
I’m less optimistic about UBI as a commie (anarchist (commie)); capitalist ghouls would probably just hike prices? A basic needs guarantee, a promise that everyone gets healthcare and housing and water and food and electricity and internet and education and access to transit would probably let my friends who don’t *have* access to those things without stressing themselves to death get to… exist at all.
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I wonder what the effect was on substance abuse and need for medical care. Probably positive as well.
Tells me how gaslit that I was that my first thought was “You go paying everyone’s bills, they won’t want to do anything” because I hear it so often, and I didn’t realize I had internalized it. I legit for a minute thought UBI might increase depression.
Oh, I’d also want to look at what happened to food and housing prices in the area. And how does it work if you move in? Are they still at it? I could live in Canada. I could live on $15k a year (in THAT climate)
dude, they pay ppl to move to Alaska. If you can hack that kind of cold, in the rural parts of AK, then the govt will give you money (they want ppl to move in to the less populated rural areas). PLUS, you’d also get oil money as a resident of AK. win-win. I’d do it if I wasn’t sick and can’t hack anything other than moderate temps.
Yeah there are other substantial bribes… I mean economic incentives for Alaska. For example their universities really need academics willing to live up there, if I could hack it I might still have an academic career
but it’s not the cold, or more accurately it isn’t just the cold. The first major issue is permafrost. It’s as hard as rock in the winter, but if the summer gets too warm it turns into swamp. Similarly, there are ground water issues making it really hard to build below ground, and that is the main deterrent to me.
But the isolation is the worst. In winter most of the state is only accessable by small plane….. which are intensely dangerous and my wife and I both get air sick. The psychological effect of not being able to drive to town, I couldn’t live with it.
most of all though, I don’t think I could subject my wife and family to that. The incentives are there, and maybe someday these objections won’t be as much of an issue. Really, I can’t get all the way off grid, not in any hypothetical situation. Power? sure. but you get into food, I eat a lot of bread… maybe someday I can learn to bake it? But then we get into my hobbies, I like to tinker with various tech. Having to fly in every single part… I wouldn’t be able to do many projects.
plus, I like my cars and without roads, that’s another big drawback.
It isn’t that much colder than Michigan, and I really think I could handle that one part. Just…. Michigan has world class universities, k-12 schools and cultural hubs. Oh, and rail access to all of New England and the West Coast.
I guess I should have looked into that particular village, might have the same issues.
short term UBI studies always show glowing results in every facet. everything becomes better for ppl with UBI. The working poor don’t quit and become bums. they get education/training/better jobs, and quit their shit jobs.
idk what the longest UBI study was, but the effect on rent/housing would be my only legit concern, if over a longer span, would the rents increase astronomically. Short term it doesn’t. But that’s short term. i suppose one of us could look into that. but UBI will never happen in the US. not when they don’t even give us universal healthcare. and keep upping the retirement age up and up.
I’m less optimistic about UBI as a commie (anarchist (commie)); capitalist ghouls would probably just hike prices? A basic needs guarantee, a promise that everyone gets healthcare and housing and water and food and electricity and internet and education and access to transit would probably let my friends who don’t *have* access to those things without stressing themselves to death get to… exist at all.