You know some people believe that we chose this life. That before we were born and still in a spiritual existence we chose the parents we would be born to and even the specific traits that we will possess as individuals. Even if you have some type of debilitating disease or deformity. Everything. Right down to the life circumstances and the people who will surround you (we choose each other of course in this regard). And the reason is because we are all in reality God. The purpose of all of this is God or the Creator seeking to experience many different identities. But it’s not just humans. It’s cat’s dogs, the trees the leaves the grass. Everything. Everything in existence has “this breath of life” from the source and the ultimate goal is to reach a state of love in the physical realm. Because that is what the creator essentially is. Love. And it is most difficult to reach this level in the state we are in. Also it is the most difficult for humans because we are the truest expression of individuality. So life is like this really advanced university that we have agreed and actually wanted to attend to better ourselves because it betters the whole. Or something like that.
You know I kind of believe all of this. But it doesn’t make me feel that much better. But maybe it will make someone else feel better.
It makes more sense to me than Christianity.
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I realized not to long ago instead of trying to understand everything just try to sit back and enjoy it cause its the simple things in life that bring the most joy.
This is Buddhism. I have read this and I also believe in it. What I want you to try to see, I don’t know if you will understand this or not but the Source, the Creator and the Christian God is the same thing. It’s just a different way of looking at it. It did make me feel better. It made me understand that there is a goal in this life and to stop wasting time. But I have bipolar disorder and some mornings I wake up in agonizing screaming emptiness that every conscious breath is painful and I want it to end. That’s the hardest time for me.. At that point no logical thought can help. And nobody is around…
But if you do have time to rationalise, consider this. “Some people commit suicide; they seem to think that there is suffering simply because there is the human life, and that by cutting off the life there will be nothing… But, according to the Buddhist viewpoint, that’s not the case; your consciousness will continue. Even if you take your own life, this life, you will have to take another body that again will be the basis of suffering. If you really want to get rid of all your suffering, all the difficulties you experience in your life, you have to get rid of the fundamental cause (greed, hatred and delusion) that gives rise to the aggregates that are the basis of all suffering. Killing yourself isn’t going to solve your problems.â€
-His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama
Wow! seems everyone is thinking on the same level, I have a strong feeling along the lines of the poster of this story. However, there MUST be a reprieve…. I dunno hate waking up in the same intense pain, of anxiety everybody is losing everything it seems; Lives, Homes, sanity! it seems so freaking hopeless, I did go onto this site where they pray for you and it got better for a bit… maybe thats the answer. I saw the Budd Dwyer suicide on Encyclopedia Dramatica, and that gives you a little bit of a diff take on actually taking your life….. hmmmm maybe worth seeing for you?
@ BloodDreamer.
Oh so that’s what that is. I have done a lot of research on near death experiences and most everyone has come back with this knowledge.
The sad thing is that I know all of what you said. I just didn’t put it in this post. Except I have trouble with Christianity because they really do teach of a vengeful jealous God. From studying near death experiences I gather that god is incapable of being vengeful jealous or even angry. From what people say, they have experienced that god only feels total and complete all encompassing love and compassion for us because it knows how difficult this life is. Christianity teaches of a devil. Near death experiencers learn that the devil is within and it is only a lack of love and an abundance of ignorance which causes evil and despair. Christianity also teaches that we should lay all of our problems at the creators feet because he will make it all better. That is in fact not possible for everyone. I know that I must reconcile with myself to reach happiness.
I don’t have Bipolar disorder. Sometimes I wish that I did have some kind of explainable mental illness, because maybe that would explain why I’m such a fucking retard. But calling myself a retard is really a huge slight to people who actually have some form of retardation because even some of them aren’t as socially inept as me.
It’s so hard for me to forgive myself for the mess that I’ve made of my life, of my mind. It’s gotten to the point that the only time I feel any relief is by causing myself some kind of physical pain. I hate myself so much and I don’t know how to stop.
If I didn’t have this family then I would have just sucked up the fear and have killed myself a long time ago. But the fear is also attached to them. I know that if I killed myself I would have drastically altered their live’s paths and there would be severe repercussions for that. My father actually gave up the peace of death to stay here and raise his children (he has a terminal illness). He explained to me that when he was in the hospital he felt himself slipping away and he felt immense peace. That is something my father hasn’t ever really had. But he told god that he had to stay for his children. If I killed myself something tells me that my father would take it the hardest even more so than my mother (who would also never recover). But I definitely think that my father would take it to new levels. He would put complete and total blame on himself even though I have expressly told him that I am the only one to blame for the miserable state of my life. I’m sorry to get so personal, but it feels a little better to write some of this stuff out.
I know that if I suicide I will just have to do this all over again. But the pain is huge. Rationally I know that I can never escape myself. But still. It’s hard to explain. And what’s worse, when I think about the fact that not only will I have to do this all over again but I would have caused my family irreparable damage for nothing. That is the only thing that keeps me here.
Believe it or not that is the EXACT and only reason why I’m still alive. Some people have fear of death – I lost fear along time ago. I just think of life as a videogame – If you don’t pass the level you gonna repeat it until you do. It takes more guts to stay alive than to die in my case so its worth it. Just find something constructive to do with your time, make a plan and act upon in and things will start to change very quickly. I believe that no matter what situation or circumstances, we can make our own fate
That’s what I plan to do BloodDreamer. I plan to find a job that I could do that would contribute to helping others.
I’m not gonna lie though. I am quite afraid to die in my current state. I have a lot of negativity and if I died right now I’d probably go straight from bardo (the pitch black void) to my very own personal hell with all of the negative beings that are just like me. But I have heard of much less traumatzing experiences for suiciders. Like one suicider who after coding found himself floating in some kind of gray misty place and heard some very soothing classical music being played until the doctors shocked him back to life with the heart defribulators.
One thing which many don’t realize is that there can be a waiting period between your “death” and your next reincarnation. And it can last how ever long you make it last.
I should probably make a post warning future suiciders about this. Aparently many people awaken from death into their own misery and they don’t realize the creator is just waiting for them to ask for it’s help. Many an athiest have woken up to this nightmare after suicide attempts.
Thanks for your posts BloodDreamer. They are very insightful.
This is why I hate religion. The moment you exist, there’s no escape. Whether it’s Buddhist reincarnation or Christian afterlife, the fact is you still need to scrape your face in blood on rough concrete floor to work your way up, to find “nirvana” or “heaven” or whatever. Regardless, I will forever resent having a consciousness, an existence, a life. It’s a curse, and nothing else.
@dark-existence.
I know exactly how you feel.
I think “hate” sounds too light. I DETEST religion.
@darkreality
But what I posted here is not about religion. I don’t believe that what I believe is a religion. I believe it is reality.
*dark_existance.
My mistake.
Gosh I mispelled twice. Fail. Well now everyone’s got an idea why I’m here.
@dark_existence
Yeah it’s pretty much a trap. But there is no way around it, we were all tricked into being born for some reason, so the only way out is to deal with it and live as good life as possible. Our main purpose on earth is to somehow contribute to the evolution of humanity. Be good to people, learn as much as you can about anything that interests you, find out what you’re good at (trust me, EVERYBODY is good at something just most people don’t bother to do any work to find out.) If you die you get to repeat the level. If you complete the level with many of bonus points [good job, helping others] you get upgraded and your next life will be better. But in the end it all depends on how much work you put into yourself. If you sit around and do nothing it will never change.
@BloodDreamer
I respect your belief and your view of reality, but as far as rational thinking is concerned, one only has this life to live for. I’m sorry to come across as a staunch atheist, but given the damage is done (that is, we’re alive), I find it more comforting to only have this life to get over with than having to worry about many more uncertain lives to come.
After all there are 2 types of people: Those who are scared that after death there is nothing, and those who are scared that after death there is something. What about think about how were you feeling in the year 1928? Oh yes, you had felt nothing before you were born. And this is how you will be feeling after you die. Isn’t it logical?
It’s not logical because you don’t know or remember how you were feeling in the year 1928. And you don’t know what you will be feeling after you die either. What’s logical is that every human has a soul and something happens to that soul whether it goes on Satan’s BBQ, or stays in some kind of afterlife, crosses into a parallel dimension or gets reborn as a turtle. Anything is possible, important to remember that when thinking ” Oh I’ll die and and everything will just disappear.” I don’t think it’s that easy
Well, the soul is actually only a weak signal transferred between neurons in your brain with involvement of memory structures. No neurons = no soul. It’s that simple. I know that I don’t know all the answers (what a sentence XD) Maybe I’m wrong and there is afterlife but, no one knows the anwer for this. We can only take the most rational possibility which is actually a complete end after death.
btw. If you like fantasies about afterlife then watch the movie Wristcutters – A love story. Really great comedy for sad moments, with interesting idea.
There’s nothing wrong with admitting that we don’t know all the answers. I in fact find it more humbling than claiming to know something we really don’t. Sometimes it’s the things that we don’t know that inspires us to hope.
The things that I don’t know scare me to death. But death alone not. Weird. For me there is no hope in unknown. Just a fear. Well I’m such a chicken. :/
Well like I said. If one wants to be an atheist that’s their path. Just keep in mind that if you do end up killing yourself and you so happen to still be conscious afterward and suspended in a black void you are in the afterlife and the creator is just waiting for you to notice that it’s there.
According to people that have died and come back your mind has a lot of influence on what you encounter on the other side. This actually lines up with I think Tibetan Buddhism. The black void or bardo is like a place for reflection. It has nothing accept for what you bring to it. So if you see demons because somewhere deep down you kind of believe in a hell, that is all in your mind.
Some suiciders go straight from bardo to feeling themselves falling and still in the pitch blackness but they fall into a pit type of place where they hear many people screaming and crying in agony. From people that have experienced this, when they called out to god they were lifted out of this place and given the knowledge that this place is basically filled with people who would much rather stay in their misery than notice the creator and other souls that are actually right there in front of them trying to wake them up.
I’m not hating on anyone’s beliefs here. But I believe these accounts to be true because I have read many of them and they come from all types. Even staunch atheists who really expected to not be an i am anymore, only to wake up and think wow I am still conscious. These are just some helpful tips because I wouldn’t wish an eternity of misery on my very worst enemy. And according to nde’s you can cause yourself to stay in a state like that for an eternity. So word to the wise; dying + consciousness in black void or hell dimension + calling out to creator = entry into the light.
Fuck, I’m dead yet. Hey creator, can you off me completely? Why not? What, a rat?! I have to be rat in my future life? Whaaat the hell, what about a homosexual cat – that would be ok, but rat… Seriously? Well, ok, at least average rat life lasts for 3 years, thats not so much. I’m just interested how can rat commit suicide? hmm….
Well this image is just so hilarious. 🙂 But of course I respect your opinion.
I never said anything about reincarnating into other life forms. I’ve never read about that from an nde but who knows.
And I can see clearly how much you respect my opinion.
Sorry to be harsh. I think that all the things that were described by the people who was in near death experience was just an illusion cause by the lack of oxygen in brain or something. Or like when you are high because of drugs or alcohol. To be in bardo and to be under the influence of LSD is no diffrence for me.
Does this include people who’ve flatlined for up to ten minutes and longer?
Yes of course, because the longer you are clinically dead the longer your brain is suffering and is in unnatural state.
We’re talking about brain death here. There are people that have been toe tagged and have come back without any brain damage after an nde.
Well I think it’s not necessary to suffer a permanent brain damage to have a weird thoughts and fantasies, which can be described as an experience from another world. Short and long of my explanation is that it’s all in your head.
@Entity
I don’t find hope from the unknown either, but apparently some people do. I’m yet to figure out how they do that myself.
@Selfish
If people didn’t suffer brain damage after an nde, then that certainly means they didn’t die at all, even if they’re officially on the way to the morgue.
You are both wrong. Nde’s don’t give me a sense of hope at all. But they do give me a sense of responsibility and more control.
And dark_existence your statement sounds illogical. It’s paradoxical to me how an atheist puts so much stock into science but when confronted with the near death experience you discredit the capabilities of science to tell you when a person has died.
Like I said you are entitled to believe what you want. It’s your life. No one is evidently converting anyone else here.
We are talking about the same thing from the totally different point of view so lets think about this: If you want to memorize something you need some physical stucture where you can store your memories. If you are just a consciousness without body – then maybe you are able to think and feel but you are not capable of memorize things, because you have nothing as storage. You can’t write something if you have pen but no surface where you can write. So if you are in state of clinical death and later you will regain your full consciousness you should have no memories from the time when your soul was apart from your body. If you have memories then your soul wasn’t apart from your body. Your consciousness was fogged, twisted and everything else but your soul was still in your body. It’s like argument that you can’t remember the things before you were born because your soul wasn’t in your body. If you remember things from nde then you have to be able to remember things from previous life of previous state of mind before your birth.
Brain deterioration is a necessary condition for death. The reason doctors defined “clinical death” based on cessation of heart beat and breathing is because it’s more convenient to monitor them than brain activity. If breathing and heartbeat stops, the brain is deprived of oxygen and deteriorates, and that’s what REALLY causes death. If however the brain manages to survive, even for a long time, and manages to gain back heart beat and breathing, the person lives. That’s why I say the person who didn’t suffer brain damage after an nde never really died. Clinically “died”, yes, but never died.
Zombies, of course, are another story… lol 🙂
Like I said before, I’m not the one who goes on debates or full length discussions (I hate it, actually), so I rest my case.
@Entity; your theory is only confined to the condition that consciousness is confined to the body. Which no one has real proof of. If the point of life is for the consciousness to evolve then logic suggests certain stipulations would be in place to ensure this evolution, ie. agreeing to forget.
@dark_existence. Your steadily debating this with me although you claim to not enjoy doing so. You replied to my post.
Fact remains that you have no way of proving whether or not these people haven’t actually died that have come back. The monitors say they have. After 6 minutes a person should be a vegetable after no brain wave activity. Yet there are many nders that are alive and well today and are shining examples to the contrary. I rest my case. Like I said. No one is getting converted here so please lets just end the back and forth.