It’s an odd combination for me. It just brings me back to suicideproject, always does. I’ve had ups and downs, times I wanted to live, but also times I wished to die. Regardless of my mood, listening to certain songs always brings me back to that peacefull place in my head. The same part of me that is constantly weighing life against death. The same part that brings me here..
Do you guys have songs like that? songs that just hit through everything and play with your soul?
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I’d say more than half the music i listen to does that to me… but then, most songs are about lost, love, suffering, loneliness, unfairness… so it’s hard not to feel identified my most of them.
that is a fair point, but is there like one song that just does more than the rest?
*nods in agreement*
I have about 180 something songs on my phone which range in genre, melody and lyrical content. Each song however, I can bend to my will and twist it into something the artist never intended. The majority do play to my soul and I often find myself lost in the music, a journey which makes me lose track of time and place.
It’s a truly enlightening experience.
Surely, there are many songs like that. I find more every day. 🙂
I do agree, sitting somewhere, listening to music in my own world is one of my favorite hobbies 😕
Music is the soundtrack of our lives.
@ravanys
I’d suggested in another post this one song. Nova by Burial + Four Tet. It is definitely a track that creates an ethereal atmosphere within my mind.
Dat ambience though. Pure bliss.
The Mysterious Stranger,
You talk about your ‘will’ and your ‘soul’, but you have no ‘will’ and you have no ‘soul’. They’re illusions.
Existence of will is a very difficult metaphysical problem. Saying there is no “will”, or “free will” and that it’s just an illusion, is a very bold claim.
Fortune favours the bold.
@Eddie
Isn’t everything in life? The difference being I permit myself to believe I have those things, and since I have no real comprehension of what those “things” are, I am free to create them as I see fit; with the knowledge I already have and the imagination of an emotionally disturbed serviceman.
I will this comment to exist, and lo, here it has appeared. I have mystical powers of typinness.
Does it?
Cause and effect. We live in a deterministic universe. You are what you are.
You are what you believe you are, nothing more. If you choose to believe you have no power over things, you don’t have any. If you choose to fight the way of the world, you can win even though it’s not always easy.
That’s what I believe 🙂
@ravanys
All of my yes. Get this guy a cookie!
And what is it to “choose”?
Do you really choose? Or does your brain choose for you?
This is the problem.
😀 gotta love cookies 🙂
If you show the strenght to choose a different path, you way walk that path. If you choose to truly believe your path is chosen, it will be chosen.
We both have a point which can not be disputed, so I won’t try to make you believe otherwise my friend 🙂
“Cause and effect. We live in a deterministic universe. You are what you are.”
It is a lot more complicated than that. Quantum mechanics do not support determinism in it’s classical sense.
@elcyc
Yes, probabilities make up the world. Nothing is certain, everything is possible. Question is, do quantum mechanics aply to the human psyche?
@Eddie: Maybe one thing follows from the other, but we live in a moment, and have the capacity to shape or modify future actions based on past experience. This comment has never been typed before, at least not in the way I type it, and it’s therefore something entirely unknown prior to my typing it. A completely deterministic universe should be aghast at such a bauble of strangeness, and yet, here it is. I’ll shrug on behalf of the universe to display its indifference.
If you understand quantum physics, you don’t understand quantum physics.
@Eddie
As is the nature of quantum physics. It’s litterally a science of guessing things xd
As I said before, it’s arguable wether life is determined or not, but discussing serves no purpose either 🙂
I didn’t life is ‘determined’. I said “we live in a deterministic universe”. Cause and effect. Everywhere. All the time.
I didn’t say* life is ‘determined’
@eddie
So you can accept that it is possible to change? Because if you cause your change, it can have effect.
(I’ve been brought up and tought in science so I understand the basics of physics(and other sciences) 🙂 )
“cause your change”? sorry – no comprendez
@ravanys: there’s always a couple of songs of songs that affect me more than others… wether they bring a memory, the lyrics struck me in a big way, or it’s just the overall “melody” that gets me…. many great songs have been ruined for me because of that, lol
@Eddie
By acting in a certains way, behaving in a certains way, making people believe certain things, you can cause a change. Think about something really simple like getting people to do stuff.
Say you tell them you are allergic to grass. Then you would be able to make them cut the grass for you.
yes it’d be lying, but in the end you caused a change: you don’t have to cut the grass, people will do it for you..
Oh, “causa sui”!
@keief
I know exactly how you feel. The songs I was talking about are those in perticular. they just remind me of the state I was in and bring me back to that state. Yet I still really enjoy those songs in a sort of perverted way..
@Eddie: Determinism implies determination – it’s right there in the etymology. Etiology. I love it – two words very similar in spelling, and likewise similar in meaning, both of which are very relevant to the topic at hand. So cause and effect. A chain of consequences beginning with… the unexpected and completely bizarre appearance of everything that exists, in its most primordial form. My way of understanding it is to cast out the old model of determinism entirely in favor of a view I call, Whatthefuckism. This view basically says that life evolves in strange and unexpected ways, much like the origin of the universe itself. In hindsight, sure, you can say, “Ah, one thing led to the next thing, which led to the next thing, which ultimately led to this moment, and me typing this sentence, and therefore there is no such thing as will!” But I would say, “Ah, but what will I do next?” Or maybe I could steal a line from the Hobbit and ask, “What is in my pocket?” There is no ultimate destination that all things were set towards at the moment of the Big Bang, and there is an enormous amount of potential variation that could take place, most of which will not take place, in favor of whatever does take place, and nobody can say what that will be in the future. Because we haven’t got there yet, decisions have not been made to shape that future yet, and people have not acted towards whatever that future is yet. Life has not determined in which direction it will go yet.
No, I’m unlikely to be moved by song lyrics in the same way some people prefer movies with violence instead of drama with a slow developing plot. I can’t escape in thought, fantasy and dreams. I don’t listen to that style of music.
Thoughts unconsciously initiated by your brain . Cause and effect. Lovely.
@Duke
Then what style of music do you listen too ? 🙂
Unconsciously initiated, but then consciously filtered and modified, refined into cogent sentences, which are then consciously edited with some limited input by that dastardly, silent subconscious, which acts as mediator between the conscious and unconscious mind. You understand my words, therefore I assume a similar process is at work within you, as well. How bizarre.
Exactly.
Cause and effect.
You know guys..
I love how we’ve come from music to philosophy 🙂 it just serves to proove the power of music to me ^^
‘Free will’ is impossible.
@ravanys: Music and philosophy go hand and hand, much like art and science. 🙂
@Eddie: I believe you are a hippopotamus. Not for any particular reason, though.
@Eddie
Free will, is a choice. The effects of free will are not 🙂
“Question is, do quantum mechanics aply to the human psyche?”
It has been proposed that due to chaos theoretical phenomena, the indeterminism rising from quantum mechanics could follow to human psyche, but this is not known. I don’t think much is known when it comes to explaining psyche at such a fundamental level.
@lorax
I agree, art and science are things I love both as do I love philosophy and music 😕
@elcyc
It’s funny in a way. You and I both know they are linked in some way, just not proven.
At my school I was denied a request to study some psychology because ‘ it was not part of the science we study’ being physics chemistry and biology..
I for one believe they are linked in a level we are not yet able to comprehend.
@eddie richard feynman famously said, ‘no one understands quantum mechanics’; to which a close friend of my brother’s, who (the close friend) was an undergraduate at the time said to richard feynman at a lunch, when they were discussing an aspect of quantum mechanics, ‘that’s cause YOU don’t understand quantum mechanics’
kind of like telling einstein he didn’t understand relativity
if free will is impossible, then as michael moore would have it, ‘we might as just well smoke crack’
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I didn’t life is ‘determined’. I said “we live in a deterministic universeâ€. Cause and effect. Everywhere. All the time.
”
But the world isn’t deterministic. Not according to science, anyway.
But in a way it is. laws of physics dictate that there is cause and effect. You can’t say physics isn’t a science now can you 😕
In quantum mechanics there is no “cause and effect” in the classical sense. It is thousand times more complicated.
yes it’s more complicated, but it’s also still the same.
There’s still cause and effect, just on an atomic scale, even smaller, a quarky (?) scale.
How did we end up discussing the quantum physics?
@duderino: Yes, but first we must locate some crack before we might smoke aforementioned crack. Also, there must be a crack pipe.
@lorax
Yes, crack, find it and share it
I could find heroin pretty easy – all I need to do is knock on the door next to mine. Crack’s a little harder to find, though.
( to be honest I’m most interested in either LSD, Shrooms or Salvia)
It can be said that there is “cause and effect” in some non-classical sense. But you can’t use this to conclude that the world is deterministic.
Yes but no Elcyc.
We can’t have a deep enough understanding of the universe to say wether or molecular jolts of energy are determined or not. We can not say for a 100% that we know what is right and wrong. It’s all a big question mark and we should accept that make make the best of it 🙂
@lorax (with h/t to magritte)
Ceci n’est pas une pipe du crack
actually, albeit never having tried it, crack sounds dreadful
i”m much more with ravanys on his/her choice of drugs (especially shrooms, salvia, and peyote; although, curiously enough, i haven’t tried any of them; but hallucinogens intrigue me a lot)
It’s my birthday coming up soon, and I may or may not be acquiring the materials required to grow some of these, “magical mushrooms,” I’ve heard so much about from people who are not me. From what I understand, they’re delicious when you let them sit in a jar of honey until the honey turns blue. Just put the honey on a peanut butter sandwich and you got a tasty psychedelic lunch.
@duderino
Yes, hallucinogens are what have always facinated me I forgot the cacti (they are harder to get over here). The power to transport you to a different world is just wonderfull to me.
(his btw ^^ , I love people who are gender neutral because I have long hair and am often confused with a girl xd )
@lorax that sounds brilliant. I want a psyche sandwhich 🙁
from what i understand of quantum mechanics (qm), the classical notions of determinism go out the window, since qm is AT IT’S HEART a probabilistic formulation of reality; for example, there’s no way to know for sure when a radioactive atom will decay — it’s probabilistic, or stochastic in the professional jargon
actually, if there were only one thing to study seriously in the world, imho it would be quantum mechanics (way more fascinating and weirder than any sci-fi)
@lorax
i’m hungry damnit !
@duderino
The problem is that the basics of physics say that everything can be calculated. The problem that we have is that there are so many variables that our minds could never work it out. To solve that, we make an estimation or a probability of what’s going to happen.
Yes quantum mechanics are fucking intersting. but sooooooooo complicated xd
@lorax
i want to send you a birthday gift — you really deserve it (seriously)
does fedex (with their new drone messengers) deliver green eggs and ham ? or at least a large top hat ?
@ravanys: Peyote williamsii; peyote, echinopsis pachanoi; san pedro, trichocereus pachanoi; peruvian torch. All of these are magical cacti, but only the first one looks almost too cute to eat.
“The problem is that the basics of physics say that everything can be calculated.”
They don’t say anything like that. Physics is all about making models that explain nature “well enough”.
@lorax
Living in Europe: I know I Salvia is legal in my neighboring country (holland big surprise) all the cacti however are not xd Not that legallity is an issue to drug dealers, but it is a bigger issue finding those drug dealers xd
Also I have a very distorted sense of cuteness, I’ll eat , smoke, lick, or stuff any Magic Cactus I come across.
@elcyc
But in the end physisists believe that everything can be approximated enough that it can be calculated. As I said before, we just don’t have the processing power to comprehend all the variabels
@duderino: I imagine so, but one must first travel to the land of Whoville to find a store that sells them. I dunno if they have a website.
@ravanys: Are you serious? Peruvian torches and san pedros are illegal in EU? What kind of nanny state are they running over there? Jeeze. We sell those things in garden stores in the US.
@ravanys
ergo the many worlds interpretation of qm, which while getting rid of a lot of the counter-intuitive (ie spooky action at a distance, superposition, etc) and ‘weird’ aspects of qm, introduces something even weirder — infinite parallel universes, where anything that theoretically can happen DOES happen, in one of those parallel universes
btw, in a recent polll of professional physicists, when asked to vote on which interpretation of qm they thought was the most likely, a plurality (or even a majority, i don’t remember) voted for the many-worlds interpretation ! and these are serious, non-mystical, physicists !
@lorax
Let’s not get into the debate of europe vs US because it’s just another endless depebate. I hadn’t actually googles any of the cacti in question (accept peyote because they are the most famous halu. )
After a thorough assessment of the entirety of the legal statutes in the EU zone, I have concluded that one must simply go to www dot cactusplaza dot com to order fine specimens of San Pedro cuttings.
@lorax
I am too a believer in the mutil universer theory, but in the end we’re still stuck to our own little universe aren’t we?
@ravannys
where do u live ? belgium ? i live in spain (barcelona), but hoping to leave soon
one does not simply arrive upon a belief, without first testing the hypothesis…
@lorax
yes I live in Belgium xd How did you guess?
the conceptual difference of qm from previous science is that IN PRINCIPLE — nothing to do with human or machine limitations — the results of a GIVEN experiment can not be predicted in advance
thus, it is deduced that this indeterminacy is a basic feature of reality
what makes qm a science is that one can make predictions over LARGE numbers of experiments, that DO, in fact, agree with the experimental results
@ravanys
cause you said that your neighboring country was holland
The beauty science is that it’ll never have all the answers.
I am tired now and will leaves to go to bed. I recall my point that you always have a choice in the end. qm or not, you still have a simple choice to believe in change or not.
Night fellow people (yes I will be looking into caci , lol)
One must never forget the valuable and beautiful geoduck either 😉
The geoduck is just copying off of me, trying to imitate my greatness. Silly creatures. But they are rather endearing, in a weird sort of way.
If you believe I’m a hippopotamus, there might well be something wrong with your hippocampus.
@ Elcyc
You said: â€But the world isn’t deterministic. Not according to science, anyway”.
Sorry, but that is absolute nonsense. We may well perceive randomness at the quantum level, but the universe is entirely physical and hence subject to the laws of physics. If you look up ‘Causal Determinism’, you’ll be on the right path 😉
^seems school is in session…
You are who you are… and there’s not really a lot you can do about that. Nature will takes its course. The sea refuses no river.
@ clevername
^not everything is as it might seem
hah…
Does anybody know you’re here? This house of ill-repute?
I’ve recently found that indie music helps me, never would’ve thought that.
Music… something for every thought, feeling and occasion. Songs are anchored to memories, much like aromas are… but sometimes complete silence is best.
I’ve just learned that you can’t delete the messages you post here. Note self: Don’t post impulsive msgs on SP (I was listening to ‘Rockhard in a Funky Place’ by Prince when I posted my previous comment).
Sara… what’re you listening to?
UB40 – I Think It’s Going To Rain Today