Who really has a good enough reason to commit suicide? Is one reason more acceptable than another? What if:
*your boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife left you?
*you’re sad, depressed, or have some other mental illness?
*you feel trapped in a hopeless situation?
*you have a terminal illness? (although life itself is a terminal condition. You start dying the moment you’re born).
*you had bad coffee this morning?
Are any of these reasons more valid or “better” than any others? If someone you knew was in the exact same position that you’re in, would you suggest that they end their life?
I think that people have a tendency to get hung up on “reasons why”. What seems like a  perfectly acceptable reason  to one person, (usually the person who wants to die), seems like overkill to others. I also suspect that most people who say they want to die don’t really want to. They would prefer to have their life improve. They would rather have the pain go away, or whatever circumstance that caused them to consider suicide to go away.
It’s odd to me that people pity the dead. I’ve never understood this. Death is inevitable, so why be sad about something you have no control over? Do people grieve over dead loved ones because the living will never be able to interact with the deceased individual again? Do the living believe that he/she “left before their time”? Would it make sense to grieve over the weather? (Something else you have no control over).
Complaining about stuff we cant change or control also befuddles me. What does the individual gain by pointing out objectionable circumstances which cannot be altered? I understand speaking up for yourself if you think that doing so will improve unfavorable conditions; but to ***** and moan without taking action seems futile.
Oh well. I just tapped a 5 liter keg of Newcastle. It’s pretty good but it tastes “tinny”. (I usually get bottles). I got a lot of foam on the first pour, but hey – who doesn’t enjoy getting some head?
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The reasons to end it all are as infinite as the reason to live.
“I live for my wife”
“My husband”
My kids”
“My dog”
etc…on and on.
There aren’t any good reasons or bad reasons to live or die. It’s all in your thinking. One person could say, “I live for my wife” and another says, “I will die because of my wife”. Crazy thinking.
One of the best reasons to live is a 5 liter keg of newcastle with a tinny taste. Ya baby…hook me up with some of that.
I get what you’re saying….”no good reason to live or die” makes me wonder why we’re even here.
Beer helps with that. Cruise over, I’ll hook you up with a couple of pours.
Hopeless situation.
But even if it wasn’t, life seems like a waste of time.
“life seems like a waste of time”
Well, that implies that there’s something better to do with your time outside of your life. But to be able to spend your time outside of your life (= when your dead) there has to be some kind of afterlife. That’s not what you mean, is it?
What’s wrong with nothing? No afterlife, no consciousness, no awareness, no memory, no bills, no responsibilities, no love, no hate, just “nothing”.
“Everything that has a beginning has an ending”. What were you before you were born? Was there a “beforelife”?
Yeah, there could be no afterlife at all, just nothingness after you die. But I wasn’t making any statement for or against an afterlife. I just pointed out that you can only say “Life is a waste of time” if you believe in an afterlife.
Me, myself, I’m trapped in a hopeless situation, no matter what I do I can’t solve it, no matter how many times I try.I think that ‘value’ is the point for acceptance, to understand the concept of value try to think in a simple equation :
value = benefits – efforts
you can apply this equation to almost anything in your life, for example this hyphotetical situation, you’re home and hungry.Is it worth eating something? let’s find out. benefits : getting feed and satisfy your hunger efforts : walking till the kitchen.Let’s stipulate numerical values for them.Eating something when you’re not STARVING it’s not very worthy, its the basics, so it’s a 3.Walking to the kitchen it’s almost effortless, so let’s say it’s a 1.
value = 3 – 1 = 2
Yeah! eating something is worthy! it has a low value, though.
I think suicide it’s acceptable when your life is worth 0 or less.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism
What about animals? Deer, ducks, dogs, birds, etc. What “value” does their life have? Do they have an afterlife? Is their “purpose” greater or lesser than humans? Are humans anything better than just animals who think too much and take themselves too seriously?
Value is a subjective thing, it’s not real, it only exists in one’s mind, so , objectivelly humans and animals are equal.In the cosmic context every lifeform is just an amount of atoms
I agree with you. If that’s true then, why don’t more non-human animals commit suicide? Why is suicide an acceptable option for some humans when an animal in the wild would never even consider it?
Because animals have no conciousness of their own lives.Animals act natural, they follow their instinct (DNA) to eat, protect themselves and reproduce.
Ok. Isn’t that what humans do? Are humans more “evolved” than animals or have they just convinced themselves that they are?
Evolution is not linear.People use to think that humans are the ultimate species, but it doesn’t this way.Evolution is a tree, different species follow different sticks, for example, gorillas appeared in the world after humans but they aren’t neither more ou less evolved than humans.
gorillas are just another species, in another branch of the tree.
@KIRA: Gorillas are obviously less evolved than humans are, how could you think they arent?
As I said, evolution is just like a tree, the tree trunk indicates that every living creature shares the same ancester, but the branches split into many parts (different evolutionary lines), the species on the tree top appeared later in the evolutionary background, results of many factors (mutations, external factors, natural selection,etc), it doesn’t mean they are better, they are adapted to their environments.Basic biology.
Gorillas aren’t adapted to the environment enough, otherwise they wouldn’t be in danger to go extinct in the next few decades and their population wouldn’t decrease. That’s just evolution: You’re not evolved (= adapted) enoguh => you die.
On a philosophical level: Humans have something called self-awareness and an advanced kind of intelligence, and gorillas and other animals don’t.
Im just near done living. I have had the best. I don’t see a real quality future anymore, just suffering.
So, its time to go soon.
Im staying here for mom at the moment.
For all else, I am done and already dead.
The effectiveness gorillas’s adaptations isn’t the point.Furthermore gorillas are in risk due to human interference.They aren’t adapted to survive to human interferences.
The effectiveness of gorillas’s adaptations isn’t the point.Furthermore gorillas are in risk due to human interference.They aren’t adapted to survive to human interferences.
“The effectiveness gorillas’s adaptations isn’t the point.”
It totally is. Gorillas aren’t adapted to the current environment, humans are adapted very well though. Human adaptation > Gorilla adaptation
“Furthermore gorillas are in risk due to human interference.”
Who cares? We are part of evolution like every living thing on earth.
“They aren’t adapted to survive to human interferences.”
So? Interferences between species are part of evolution. What would you otherwise call carnivores? The wolf interferes with the sheep’s survival. So? If the sheep isn’t adapted to the wolves interferences it isn’t evolved enough and will go extinct.
Humans aren’t adapted to the environment they adapt the environment to their necessities.We can say there are better adapted species, not “more evolved” cause evolution isn’t linear.
Actually humans can slightly adapt (human races), but their it wouldn’t be enough to survive.
We can say humans are adapted to adapt the environment 🙂
No, there’s nothing better to do but dying. Because the nothingness I am willing to embrace is peace. Not busywork, not suffering, not struggling or working or filling time. It’s the end, the peace of nothing.
“Humans aren’t adapted to the environment they adapt the environment to their necessities.”
The term environment (when talking about evolution) is just the sum of everything that can have an influence on the survival and reproduction of an individual. So the statements “Humans adapt to the environment” and “Humans adapt the environment to their necessities” have the same influence on the fitness (= chance of survival) of a human being.
“We can say there are better adapted species, not more evolved”
Tell me a meaningful definition of the word “evolved” in this context that is different from the meaning of “adapted”.
“We can say humans are adapted to adapt the environment”
Yup. We’re just very advanced at doing that. Birds build nests for example, so other species do it as well, just not the same way as humans. Even a wolf who hunts a sheep influences the environment by taking so. Everything an individual may do influences (adapts) the environment to their needs.
Some people start with the premise that there is no good/bad, right/wrong etc and therefore ‘why not’ rather than ‘why’. People who are pro-life always seem to have this moral superiority. It’s the superiority that people like to enforce. I think all the likeminded people should just hang out with each other, leave everyone else alone and stop trying to turn people.
I respect choice and freedom. I know that one day I’ll have nothing to live for and eventually make a choice I’m happy with.
Bottled beverages always taste better.